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I'm terrified about the musical. I'm sure it could be wonderful. I'm just terrified for them. Joss Whedon was brilliant. You have to be brilliant to pull this off. I'm scared.

TVline report: http://tvline.com/2014/07/18/supernatural-season-10-spoilers-series-finale-rumors/ Hmmm... extra skelegrow in the Moose juice for breakfast? The incompetent fashionista in me would like to make the following shallow observations: - Nice duds guys. I like the plaid/grey combo on Jared and the Multi-tone blue look on Jensen - Jensen honey, have the stewardess hangup your jacket for you -- it looks like you may have shoved it into your duffle bag. I mean you look good in a burlap sack but sweetie--- wrinkles! - A+ on the hair for me. I like Jared hair this length and I like longer on Jensen. - Finally, I'm seriously wondering who made the cross-roads deal to keep these guys looking like this? Was it Singer?

TCA report in spoilers forum although not many spoilers. Current photo for hair check included.

Catching up on the twitter feed from the TCA's. There were probably over 200 tweets on my feed for the Supernatural panel alone. Bits I gleaned: - They are very excited about the show still -- if they think the quality is going down they'll end it but right now they don't have an end in mind (SueB interpretation: unless told otherwise, they are not writing S10 as the final season). - The show keeps them physically fit due to action sequences -- harder to do stunts now than 10 years ago but they really try to do most of the stuff themselve. - Lovefest for fans. Neither Jared or Jensen read fanfic to avoid getting a vision different than the writers (Jared used the word "sacred" when speaking about what the writers right, Jensen said he wanted to remain "unsoiled"). BOTH were "more power to them" regarding fanfiction (Jensen called it art and Jared wants to read after his days of filming are over). - Carver says there's a hunter around that's going to cause trouble. Demon!Dean is not what you expect. Demon!Dean will be around for longer than one episode. - Vancouver better for filming - less Hollywood crazy, longer night hours - Castiel is a weakened angel -- pretty much where we left him last season - Sam looking for Dean Essential hair check photo: Works for me. I wonder if they are going to spike Dean's hair -- a part seems too tame.

I really hope they come together within the first three episodes. Usually they "wrap" the cliffhanger mostly in the first two episodes and get into the rhythm of the season in EP3. Last year, we didn't really "wrap" what Cas was going to be doing until EP3. So it could take through that episode for us to have a feel for how it's going to be. With the TCA's this week and Comic-Con next weekend, I'm certain there's a 'script' handed out for what they can and cannot say. Both J's can push the envelope a bit so it'll be interesting to see how much of a leash Carver tries to put on. They'll let us know, I suspect. At Comic Con I expect Misha to have a little more freedom (because the Angel plot is a slow burn) and Mark Sheppard to be quippy and of no use at all when it comes to spoilers. Shappard is particularly tight-lipped on a good day. Also of note is that the only film clips they can piece together for a Comic-Con teaser will be EP3 and most of EP1. I don't know if we'll get much. Last year we got EP2 teaser (Crowley being put into the dungeon) ... I'll speculate that this was partially because they filmed EP2 first and because we saw Sheppard was sitting there on the stage (thus an unlikely quick-kill). Looking forward to today. BTW, has anyone else seen the publicity shots with Misha in a black trench?

Am I alone in my squee? Well alrighty then. Here's what I see: - Of course Dean thinks he's poison and is going to burn in Hell. That's our Dean -- who thinks he's worthless. But catrox14 got it right: Dean doesn't WANT to be a murderer. He openly rejected what he was becoming and said it was better to die than become that. So I am absolutely positive that Dean will not end up being the happy murdering demon. Not OUR Dean. Sam WILL fix him and Dean may just realize he's not a piece of shit like he thinks he is. IMO it was Dean's belief that he was destined for Hell that made him desperate enough to take on the Mark. Dean HAS to get over that mindset. Carver's words give me hope he will. - Crowley and Dean being besties for a while. IDK... I think it'll be fun. The two of them are very inventive and the one-liners alone should be a riot. And I fully expect Dean to eventually come into his own head. Ultimately Cain was able to do that (and stop mindless killing) so I think Dean will too. Cain, of course, is a random variable in this. I wonder what role he will play? But back to El Deano --- unlike Cain, I think he'll be his own "demon" before winter finale. And then Crowley will be in trouble. It could be faster than that even as I have a hard time seeing them keeping the boys separate for more than 2 or 3 episodes. They understand Supernatural 101. I'm just not worried that come the end of S10 it'll be a mess. Sure there will be icky moments (because hey, they DO that... alot). But I expect far more good than bad.

Wow...shit's getting real. But first let me sing some praises for Tall Tales. Thank you Mcolleague for doing the dirty work but I do need to give a moments pause and remember some of the brilliance of the episode. Ah... Richard Speight Jr... so PERFECT for this role.... and all the permutations that come after. The DANCING ALIEN. The two different Sam and Dean perspectives. God Bless both Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles for acting like complete fools for the sake of entertainment. The Sam "bitchface" and Dean "chipmonk face". Fanfuckingtastic. Plus wrestling like 10 yr olds for the wallet. This was an truly enjoyable episode. But not my favorite of favorites... so with that I'll continue the vote.... In My Time of Dying + What Is and What Should Never Be -- Hollywood Babylon -- 36 - In My Time of Dying 33 - What Is and What Should Never Be 07 - Hollywood Babylon 02 - Nightshifter Moved on: Roadkill No Exit Heart Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things Croatoan Everybody Loves a Clown Playthings Simon Said Hunted Houses of the Holy Bloodlust All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 1 The Usual Suspects All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 2 Folsom Prison Blues Born Under a Bad Sign Crossroad Blues Tall Tales

So apparently the Meijer's near a mod at Winchester Family Business puts out their TV Guide Covers as soon as they show up. Hee. These guys SCOOPED EVERYBODY. Well done WFB! Link to Spoilers inside: http://www.thewinchesterfamilybusiness.com/spoilers/18634-supernatural-season-ten-spoilers-from-tv-guide-2014-comic-con-edition I gush about my happiness regarding these spoilers in the comments to their post. Short short version: - Yay for a Crowely/Dean relationship. I think Crowely has a tiger by the tail and is going to eventually get mauled here. Can't wait. - Yay for Sam on a mission! - Yay for Cas being back on earth (my interpretation based on recent photo of beat-up Cas).f - Yay for Crowley being really effected. - Yay they have not simplistically wrapped up the Heaven story -- I think there's more closure needed. Much more.

Ahhhhhh! Crossroad Blues! The agony. I may have to rewatch today out of respect for such a fantastic episode.

Most of these episodes are hard to vote against. S2 really was a treasure for me. Still ... Hollywood Babylon -- Tall Tales -- Crossroad Blues + a little love for this episode because it really had such a dark moody tone with a fantastic plot. Felt like a game changer for me. 38 - In My Time of Dying 35 - What Is and What Should Never Be 10 - Hollywood Babylon 08 - Nightshifter 03 - Tall Tales 02 - Crossroad Blues Moved on: Born Under a Bad Sign Roadkill No Exit Heart Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things Croatoan Everybody Loves a Clown Playthings Simon Said Hunted Houses of the Holy Bloodlust All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 1 The Usual Suspects All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 2 Folsom Prison Blues

Important shallow end of the pool notification: I think Jensen/Dean has longer hair this year https://twitter.com/FangasmSPN/status/489399538025648128 Not long long, just not shaved so close to his head you can see his scalp on the sides longer.

Hollywood Babylon -- Tall Tales -- Born Under a Bad Sign -- 39 - In My Time of Dying 36 - What Is and What Should Never Be 13 - Hollywood Babylon 10 - Nightshifter 06- Tall Tales 05 - Crossroad Blues 01 - Born Under a Bad Sign Moved on: Roadkill No Exit Heart Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things Croatoan Everybody Loves a Clown Playthings Simon Said Hunted Houses of the Holy Bloodlust All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 1 The Usual Suspects All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 2 Folsom Prison Blues

Obfuscation. Makes its slightly less obvious it's a hint if they throw in some chaff. I'd pay real money to ask Carver at Comic-Con if Gadreel was already a plan. I'd contend he had to have something up his sleeve when he had Cas say Sam was already damaged beyond standard angel healing. Angel possession (that Dean trusted) makes sense at the macro level IMO. And I'm always happy being an optimist. Hopefully I'm not setting up unrealistic expectations. I think avoiding expectations on specific storylines is best. I just am optimistic they've got a plan, that they'll surprise me a bit, and it'll be a fun watch.

I think "another angel" was intentional foreshadowing by Carver regarding Gadreel. And it comes across clunky because it's a bit of a force-fit.

Well DDD, I waited til today to vote and unfortunately it just comes down to each episode compared to the others in the list. From these FINE episodes, my least favorite are Tall Tales -- Born Under a Bad Sign -- Hollywood Babylon -- 40 - In My Time of Dying 38 - What Is and What Should Never Be 17 - Hollywood Babylon 11 - Nightshifter 08 - Tall Tales 07 - Crossroad Blues 01 - Born Under a Bad Sign Moved on: Roadkill No Exit Heart Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things Croatoan Everybody Loves a Clown Playthings Simon Said Hunted Houses of the Holy Bloodlust All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 1 The Usual Suspects All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 2 Folsom Prison Blues

Fair points. I think it's because it's disturbing that I don't watch it much. I vote later and will let you know if I've had a rewatch.

I've been ruthlessly downvoting for days -- Sam as Meg was good but it's just not a favorite compared to others. Can you inspire me to change my mind?

All excellent points. Especially -- if they can feel pain they they must feel pleasure. And Ruby's meatsuit was warm when occupied. So Dean may get physical pleasure out of sex -- which says to me he'll be hitting that hard. (Oy, no dirty pun intended). But I still think the partner's reaction will matter to him -- perhaps differently than before. And if Ruby enjoyed fries, then I can see Dean back on pies and cheeseburgers. Then again "pie" was a Mom thing. I could see him not evoking the Mom-comfort memory of pies. Alcohol, OTOH, I expect to be imbibed in copious amounts.

Hi, my name is SueB and I'm easy. NO, not that way. I'm easy when it comes to falling in love with the characters and seeing the best in them. For me, one of the highlights of S7/S8 was when Sam was Fever babbling about finally burning the evil out of himself. To me this felt REAL. This felt like Sam being totally truthful. Sam's the intellect saying that he doesn't feel guilty because he spent 100 years in hell never rang true. But I don't consider it out of character, I consider it part and parcel of who is Sam Winchester. And Sam has a GREAT capacity to delude himself. Where Dean just beats the shit out of himself for everything, Sam rationalizes some whoppers and keeps moving on. So Sam rationalized he had served his time and thus he should not feel guilty. He compartmentalizes well and feeling guilty about all the deaths related to Lucifer Rising? That goes into the corner of "don't go in there." But when Tracy reminds him of it in S9, it's clear he has ZERO defense. If he was truly "over it", he'd have something to say. Other examples of him compartmentalizing (IMO): - Not hunting for Dean - Sam literally couldn't deal with it so he runs away and decides he did something HEALTHY. And he's going to stick with that attitude even with Dean bitching at him. Intellectually he's not wrong -- he truly thought Dean was dead and NOW was the time to leave the life. But at the end of S8, the guilt he's feeling over failing Dean is part of what makes him ready to die. Sam was in a bad state mentally at that moment but his brother's logic (which was really shitty regarding why it was okay to not close the gate) didn't matter. He was feeling forgiven and loved by Dean so he did what Dean wanted him to do. - Not scratching at the wall Death made - at first he's gung-ho to fix what evil he did. Then he gets a peak over the wall and yep -- he's on the no-scratching train. It was only Cas breaking the wall that caused him to confront his time in Hell. And only the threat to Dean and Bobby that made him pseudo-functional. - Him being okay with his own brand of crazy - he spent two-thirds of a season seeing Halucifer and ignoring him thru the hand pain -technique. Now that's some mighty good "world-view" control. Up until he let Luci in again (i.e. slipped), he was pretty functional. - Him saying he was in a "good place" at the start of S9... until he couldn't feel physically good again. And then doubt creeps in. He starts to wonder, AGAIN, if he's just wrong somehow. That he is intrinsically never going to feel right. (Rock and a Hard Place). - Saying he and Dean could work together but not be brothers. What kind of bullshit is that? That right there is a guy who IMO knows how to compartmentalize. He knows how to take a bad topic and not deal with it. From Sam's perspective he was seriously violated and lied to -- AGAIN -- by his brother. But I think S9 WAS different. He was openly compartmentalizing. He wasn't actually ignoring his pain -- he was just letting it lie while continuing on. And this is reaffirmed in 9.23 when he essentially says 'let's do what we should do and not fight right now'. I don't think he's forgiven Dean at that moment, but he knows they need to move on. Now when Dean is dead - AGAIN - I think that was Sam dealing with what Dean meant to him. If that "no brothers" thing was true, he'd have burned Dean's body and moved on. But of course the "no brothers" thing wasn't true and he never actually believed that compartmentalization. So of course Sam is going to do something to get Dean back. So... what can I say? I love Sam. I see a man who has a history of using his intellect to create ways to compartmentalize his pain. In the past he did a good job of believing it himself until it comes crashing down. And when it came crashing down we saw a serious amount of self-loathing and hopelessness. But I took his grim determination at the end of S9 to actually be a good thing. He wasn't compartmentalizing his pain. He was hitting it head on. And not the out-of-control Mystery Spot or lost-summer-with-Ruby pain. Nope, this is a steely eyed Sam who is in pain but has faith in his ability to force Crowley to help him. Even if that doesn't work, I don't expect despair. I'm confident he'll work til he solves the problem. And icing on the cake? If when he gets Dean back they deal with the unresolved Angel-possession issue.

Hollywood Babylon -- Born Under a Bad Sign -- Folsom Prison Blues -- Even though I shuffled Folsom Prison Blues off this mortal coil, I'd like to offer it some praise for really delightful moments: - Dean: quickly earning the coin of the realm (cigarettes), truly feeling bad for insulting Tiny (CLIFF!), "I think I'm adorable" (why yes, you are). - Sam: the sight-gag of the bigger guy in his cell and the look on Sam's face, his heart-felt "my brother's an idiot" (I just love that truthful moment), and the look on his face when he realizes how comfortable Dean is in prison. Plus--"Green Onions"! 42 - In My Time of Dying 41 - What Is and What Should Never Be 22- Hollywood Babylon 17- Nightshifter 16 - Tall Tales 07 - Crossroad Blues 02 - Born Under a Bad Sign Moved on: Roadkill No Exit Heart Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things Croatoan Everybody Loves a Clown Playthings Simon Said Hunted Houses of the Holy Bloodlust All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 1 The Usual Suspects All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 2 Folsom Prison Blues

What little bits we saw from S8/S9 demons had killing high up on their list of "yay". I've never quite got the whole eating thing for demons. Crowley clearly enjoys scotch but also promises "entrails for everyone". And Lilith ate BABIES. Then there's Cain who was sitting down to a meal which included lots of corn on the cob. Finally human blood addict Crowley loved pizza, sex, and chick-flick movies. BUT since Crowley existed for months in the dungeon with no food -- I'd say it's a safe bet demons don't NEED food but they can enjoy it. As Crowley specifically mentioned Dean not eating the cheeseburger as a "sign", then I think it's important to look at that as a take-away (since we were setting up S10 at that moment). At the moment it happened Dean had already been yakking up blood because he wasn't killing. So his body was being effected. Now add the no-hunger. COULD be because he had an upset tummy or could be because he really didn't need food anymore. They could go either way but the "doesn't need food" is what I think Crowley was hoping for. In other words, Dean's body was in "prep" mode for being a demon. What does this have to do with intense sex? Well the food part is just an indicator that human biological needs and demon needs are different. Is Demon!Dean riding Dead!Dean's meatsuit? If the meatsuit is dead then will he not be getting any feeling off of it. If true, then sex would not be physically satisfying -- only the emotional component of connection. Without love (and a "fling" implies sans-love), then does he "get" something off of HER reaction? Demons seemed to enjoy other's pain (like the Crossroad demon taunting Dean). Maybe it's not just pain - maybe it's intense feelings. So maybe Dean gets a rush from giving the woman ... a rush (if you know what I mean)? Maybe it makes him feel more alive? Of course he could get a rush from treating her bad. But it seems to me that's less of a "hit". In other words, they could easily go the pain route but pain from torture seems like a quicker "hit" for a demon than emotional torture from non-consensual sex. IDK. I guess I'm just spitballin' now but the question is "what does Demon!Dean get out of sex"? I would contend that unlike Souless!Sam who had biological satisfaction, Demon!Dean is getting something emotional from it. Either his partner's fear or intense feelings. There's a certain pain/pleasure aspect to sex he might be taping into. Maybe this is an alternative to killing? Just throwing out ideas. I suspect the 12-yr old mentality will rule vice anything sophisticated but I wanted to think it through a bit.

Folsom Prison Blues -- Born Under A Bad Sign -- Hollywood Babylon -- 43 - In My Time of Dying 43 - What Is and What Should Never Be 25- Hollywood Babylon 19- Nightshifter 15 - Tall Tales 09 - Crossroad Blues 07 - Born Under a Bad Sign 03 - Folsom Prison Blues Moved on: Roadkill No Exit Heart Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things Croatoan Everybody Loves a Clown Playthings Simon Said Hunted Houses of the Holy Bloodlust All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 1 The Usual Suspects All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 2

Thanks for sharing DDD? -- Hollywood Babylon -- Born Under a Bad Sign -- Folsom Prison Blues 43 - In My Time of Dying 42 - What Is and What Should Never Be 27- Hollywood Babylon 25 - Nightshifter 20 - Tall Tales 15 - Crossroad Blues 13 - Born Under a Bad Sign 8 - Folsom Prison Blues Moved on: Roadkill No Exit Heart Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things Croatoan Everybody Loves a Clown Playthings Simon Said Hunted Houses of the Holy Bloodlust All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 1 The Usual Suspects All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 2

It's not. Clarissa is a long-time reporter. She used to work at TVOvermind. See her interview of Jensen Ackles from last year here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0z-zRgptLY More importantly, if you go to the CW Press site and look at the "About" for Supernatural, the 5th paragraph (below the S9 picture) is word for word what she put out regarding S10. http://www.cwtvpr.com/the-cw/shows/supernatural/about Bottom line: It's legit. But the CW Press site is not a fantastic source of data so I would not read anything into any particular wording. As for Matt Mitovich, he's and Super Scooper Micheal Ausiello are the most legit spoiler sources out there in TV land from my experience. I have no doubt he got a direct quote out of Carver or someone on the show staff. So, unlike the CW Press site, the exact words are probably intentional. Of course Tippi could be right and "intense" may mean we get to see Dean's ankle. So... what the staff thinks is a big deal may mean very little.

TVLine spoiler for EP2-- and Dean having a one night intense sex with a waitress is a sign of being demonic? Sounds like a regular Tues night to me. Although their track record for these scenes is kinda 'meh'.