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-- Something Wicked + Faith -- Skin 49 - Scarecrow 49 - Pilot 25 - Dead in the Water 25 - Faith 22 - Something Wicked 17 - The Benders 11 - Skin GANKED: Route 666 Bugs Provenance Dead Man's Blood Hook Man Nightmare Asylum Wendigo Hell House Bloody Mary Home Salvation Shadow Phantom Traveler Devil's Trap

Posted my rewatch commentary at TWOP and just can't bring myself to repeat it again: http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/topic/3220871-9-23-do-you-believe-in-miracles-20140520/?p=16534756 warning; long and emotional ETA: This is the link Pete gave to the Dean/Family song. http://eroticplums.tumblr.com/post/86368244684/this-is-deans-theme-the-song-they-played-during Play at own risk.

This. It'll be okay. I'm really curious to see how "Dean" is "Dean". He was so utterly AWESOMELY Dean at the end. ETA LOVED the ep. More commentary post rewatch.

You tell 'em. Hee. I totally understand.

Fair.

Final shoe fell into place for me after listening to Women of Letter's podcast. They mentioned a spoiler that Jared got Jensen's shoulder wet from crying. In fact, I feel like this is so close that I'm keeping this spec under a spoiler tag. So if using a spoiler tag in the spoiler thread is a no-no, I'll delete it: But the WoL podcast led me in a direction both surprising and yet obvious:

Faith + Skin -- Something Wicked -- 47 - Scarecrow 47 - Pilot 28 - Dead in the Water 27 - Faith 25 - Something Wicked 16 - The Benders 14 - Skin GANKED: Route 666 Bugs Provenance Dead Man's Blood Hook Man Nightmare Asylum Wendigo Hell House Bloody Mary Home Salvation Shadow Phantom Traveler Devil's Trap

Important safety tip. I agree. :) Since Jensen said "twist" and "shocked" in that TV fanatic interview (thanks for that BTW!), I think we'll be surprised. He's not prone to hype in general. Although the "eye's open" (different interview) seems like a COMPLETE spoiler. And Jared's emphasis on long-lasting? I'm still giving 10 to 1 odds: Demon Dean.

I think Dean is speculating. On the other hand, he KNEW he'd kill Abaddon so maybe there is something in his mojo that gives him a sense of these things. Obviously it kills Reaper-class Angels and injured Gadreel. Little bits I picked up from finally getting to do a proper rewatch: - Dean turns away when Tessa impales herself. He looked straight into Zacharia's eyes OTOH when he stabbed him thru the neck. To me, that doesn't mean she shed a more powerful light but that he didn't want the kill. Of course, whether or not he wanted the kill, he still has a killgasm. (THERE, I said it, you ALL were thinking it.... Dean has a kill-gasm when the blade dumps whatever pleasure-mojo it dumps into his system. Someone even pointed out he licks his LIPS at the end. As in... tasty). That's like 6 kinds of wrong and 6 kinds of hot. - Sam was coming back into the room and spotted Gadreel. So while I was unhappy he walked away from Dean (because it seemed a wee bit childish), upon reflection I think he walked away to figure out what Dean said (because he can't just take anything at face value now that he knows about the Mark's effect) and dump his stuff in his room. Then he came back to continue working. Whether or not he was going to argue the topic or discuss with Cas later we don't know because Gadreel showed up. - Jesus Christ Superstar was the musical Tessa was going to torch. I kind thought those tunes were catchy... yeesh, Tessa...harsh. I wonder if Death is not bothering fixing this mess this time because he's done cleaning up "Team Free Will" messes. I can see him not having much tolerance there.

I'm just going to try (note, it's unlikely I'll live up to this) and NOT get to far into speculation land over the summer because you are right --- they surprise us everytime. Personally I LIKED the start of S8 and just wish we had more Purgatory flashbacks. But I totally get MMV. I fully expect S9 to end DARK.

Faith + Something Wicked -- The Benders -- 46 - Scarecrow 45 - Pilot 28 - Faith 27 - Dead in the Water 26 - Something Wicked 18 - Skin 15 - The Benders 02 - Devil's Trap GANKED: Route 666 Bugs Provenance Dead Man's Blood Hook Man Nightmare Asylum Wendigo Hell House Bloody Mary Home Salvation Shadow Phantom Traveler

Finally finale pics:http://www.hypable.com/2014/05/16/supernatural-season-9-finale-synopsis-stills-clip/ So, it looks like Gadreel DOES live (given he's standing and talking to Cas and Sam after they find him). Odd. Dean looks so LOST sitting on that floor. And it looks like more Buddy Road Trip fun for Dean and Crowley.

I'm not sure they know how much we've speculated on a Demon Dean. So, the first time you hear a concept wouldn't it be way more cool than if you'd been speculating on it for weeks? Mabe were just more prepared than they know?

Jensen Ackles video interview by IGS from CW upfronts http://m.ign.com/videos/2014/05/16/supernatural-jensen-ackles-on-season-9s-finale-and-season-10 "EYE OPENER". At this point I'm giving 10 to 1 odds on a black eyed Demon Dean.

-- Something Wicked + Dead in the Water + Faith 46 - Scarecrow 43 - Pilot 27 - Faith 26 - Dead in the Water 24 - Something Wicked 19 - Skin 18 - The Benders 06 - Devil's Trap GANKED: Route 666 Bugs Provenance Dead Man's Blood Hook Man Nightmare Asylum Wendigo Hell House Bloody Mary Home Salvation Shadow Phantom Traveler

I love Swan Song. It has a few issues but after seeing the interpretation (and now unable to UN-see it) that it was Lucifer's pain (at seeing the self-sacrificing love between Sam and Dean as demonstrated in the flashback) that allowed Sam to momentarily take control --- well, I'm totally down for the finale. I also am of the unpopular opinion that Dean's story was not "thrown away". And that at the end of the day, it was because Dean went to die with Sammy if that is all he could do -- that he fulfilled his role as The Righteous Man and therefore HE is responsible for putting an end to the Apocalypse. Obviously the whole rings/SamsayingYes/Samjumpingintothepit was essential as well -- but if Dean hadn't shown up, the big fight would have happened. So Dean, IMO, remained the lynchpin to stopping the Apocalypse. I do not want in any way to suggest that what Sam did was less important but I don't agree at all with the idea that Dean was not essential with the stopping of the Apocalypse. YMMV -- and I understand.

Besides kill, kill, kill, Dean's objective HAS to be to get the souls into Heaven. He still retains his love for humanity --- surprisingly enough -- based on his comment to Tessa that she was so wrong about collateral damage not being important in the big picture. And he gets a pained look on his face when Tessa talked about the souls in pain. Especially since Kevin is one of them. So, if you are Dean and you desperately want to kill Metatron, KNOW you are likely the only one with the weapon to get that job done, but need to solve the trapped souls issue... Who are you going to consult/consort with to get that accomplished? Benched by the rest of TFW, Crowley is your Ace. Crowley deciphered that gate closing is irreversible. But did he sort out anything else? Is there a clue that he could give Dean? Would he know if killing Metatron gets the job done or at least keeps the portal open? It seems to me that he needs two things out of Crowley: one, something to help him get under control because he just killed their best lead (Gadreel) and two, any intel to help get souls to heaven. So long as Dean keeps his power, his wits, and freedom of action to complete his mission -- I suspect Dean will give Crowley anything he wants. Now add that Dean smacks Metatron around in the promo but he doesn't stab him. Perhaps that is an indicator that he needs Metatron to widen the portal or help get souls to Heaven. Metatron obviously won't help but he is a weasel vice a zealot. He won't die for his cause, he might be force-able if Dean has a golden parachute to offer him. Some sort of exile with books. IDK. I'm pretty sure someone has to shed blood or grace for this and I know Dean is not planning to come out of these events in any version of 'ok'. BUT If Dean Winchester's objective is to open Heaven for souls, the's nothing he won't do to make that happen -- including sacrificing both Sam and/or Cas I think. And I'll put money on a determined Dean.

Spoilers on the last SECOND http://www.justjared.com/2014/05/15/jared-padalecki-jensen-ackles-hit-the-cw-upfronts-tease-shocking-supernatural-finale/ "chilling" "disturbing" implied last shot before fade to black "There are multiple characters involved." Slo-mo gif version of the promo: http://crossroadscastiel.tumblr.com/post/85701287257/i-get-this-high-and-i-have-to-kill-i-mean-i As far as I can tell, there were NO photos released at this point So here's what I've pieced together from these tidbits: - Early in episode: Gadreel is on the floor, Dean yells at him to get out of the way; somehow they get Dean into the dungeon and leave (thus hitting us on the head with a S4 parallel anvil in case we didn't get that S9 is flipping S4) - Dean gets out to the storeroom and summons Crowley (which kinda pisses me off ONLY because they spent episodes looking for Crowley... so why can Dean summon him now but not 6 episodes ago?.... okay, letting it go). You see storeroom potions next to Dean - Dean and Crowley interact. It's Crowley that he's talking to about how much he needs to kill. - How Dean gets blood on his mouth and whose blood is it? Dean is still in the bunker I think. See speculation below. - Sam and Cas appear to be finding Gadreel's body. It sure looks like Gadreel is dead but not smited dead. Just bloody dead. - Clearly Dean leaves the bunker and has a Metatron confrontation at some point - Cas is apparently behind those bars and that area appears to blow up while Dean is sailing across the room - Sam pulls a gun on Dean Note: It looks like the final scene or CLOSE to the final scene is set-dressed similar to the pre-season promo photos with Dean in obvious all-red now. http://supernaturalfansonline.com/2013/09/27/more-season-9-promotional-pictures/ Thinky Thoughts: - They've had a running theme of Dean making questionable deals all season. Now he clearly doesn't need Crowley to free him from the dungeon but I wonder if he makes a deal to lesson the blade's effects. I don't know if Crowley could swing that. Dean can obviously offer to not kill Crowley, offer his soul (which frankly, Crowley probably thinks he's getting already), or let Crowley do something to him that puts him on Crowley's payroll early. I could see them NOT showing us the deal and instead just showing Dean with blood on his mouth, no explanation until the cliffhanger. - It's possible they imply a Castiel death but since they had him at the upfronts, etc... it's a really weak-sauce threat - If any of those gifs from the promo are of the last scene, I'd pick Sam pulling a gun on Dean. - Jensen's comment that the big gasp involves a lot of people throws me. - No clue why Metatron is with what appears to be homeless people or why they are beating someone. Cliffhanger options (in likelihood order): Given that Misha said "chilling" and "disturbing" - Demon Dean - Crowley showing up to snatch Dean away due to whatever Deal was made - Immortal Dean (like Sam shoots him and Dean just looks up unconcerned) - Sam shoots Dean - The season has been about the reverse of S4 with the pairing being Sam/Cas and Dean/Crowley -- so if it involves a great deal of people, I could see some sort of square off where it's clear that Dean is now Team Crowley vice Team Free Will IDK. I'm pretty stumped and happy to wait (okay, not really) til Tuesday to see.

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Sorry? I think this won't be addressed in S9. I think the rest of S9 is going to be about resolving the Heaven story. So S10 will pick up MoC. And I think this is one of those things that they drag out in S10 like; AHA! Gotcha. I'd be surprised if they whitewash everything away. That's just not fun. it's not dramatic enough. The only way I see it happening is if Sam and Dean actually remember, with Dean at a minimum (because he's still the POV character). Just like they remember the whole Titanic not-sinking option. Options that WOULD be drammatic: - Crowley's FEELINGS (everytime I capitalize it, this is me saying in my head like Mark Shepard did on that last wonderful line read), force him to give up his son because the little twit is causing trouble and it's starting to unravel shit. That would be nice and dramatic. - Sam and or Dean have to take some sacrificial act to fix things because the timeline is getting screwed Whatever it is, I expecct MORE pain for Dean, not less pain. I do think it's a super-slim chance Cas (or Sam) does some self-sacrificing deal to protect Dean but I think both know unringing the MoC bell is too big of a deal. And since that all happened BEFORE Gavin was saved, I'm not sure how Gavin has any influence on that story (because as I said - Kevin still died, Sam still did the trials, Dean still tricked him into being possessed by Gadreel, Purgatory happened, etc....). So I think a reset button around Crowley/Gavin in S10 makes more sense than wiping out the MoC story.

I'm going with MoC steroid effect is really amp'd and he's anticipating violence. Wish it were seeing Cas but ... I'm thinking violence. Timey-whimey stuff: Posted a long statement at TWOP: short short -- I think we had a MINOR temporal change that won't hit til S10. But we did have a universe altering moment because Dean forgot Crowley had a son.

I don't want him to go demon, it just seems like the logical outcome. My spec: He accidentally skewers Sammy while in a blood-frenzy and he turns. Now Black eyes seems the obvious choice but Cain never showed black eyes and he doesn't smoke out, he's in his original body it seems. So if Dean turns demon I'm not sure blak eyes make sense. But if he can smite like Cain (which he can't yet), then I think he's a demon. Re: Dean's description of Cas. I think Dean may be hiding something. Like maybe it's another torture gig and he doesn't want Sam to know. Dean has talked about Cas being incomprehensible in the past as a deflection attempt.

I think we're saying the same thing. She rattles off her to-do list, very confidently. And Dean doesn't look like much of a threat. THEN the arm glows and he moves his right arm to 90 deg. She gets a look of consternation. He comes off the wall and she keep "blasting" him with what I would call the "pin-the-bug-to-the-wall" manuever. It takes SEVERAL tries but she succeeds and laughes again. But she doens't dawdle at this point. As soon as she gets him up against the wall again, she goes for the "rip him apart from the inside" manuever. Her hand twists. And Dean FEELS it but there's no blood gushing. She's not really getting completely to him. And then he starts to focus on the blade. She spares a glance at the blade as it moves and gives a false bravado laught but she's REALLY worried. As soon as he comes off the wall she's panicked and within a second she's skewered. So... IMO...as soon as he shows the abilty to overcome her bug-pinning effect, she takes him seriously. First she tries to repin him, THEN she ineffectively tries to gut him, and then she makes a final desperate attempt to stop him with the bug-pinning manuever but it's all too late and she's dead meat. Another interesting note was the look of gratification on Dean's face as he whacks her dead body with the Blade. He's releasing pent-up anger and hatred. I think it feels GOOD. Like he's purging himself of his own pain. That feeling is going to be easily addictive. Dean carries alot of pain. He could spend years releasing it in violent outburst.