missy jo

Absolutely. There's no upside to Heather staying on the show if she is going to be portrayed this way, or iced out altogether, and unlike many HoWives, she doesn't need the money. But despite the Post item, can I please remain ** Kristen voice ** deluuusional ** Kristen voice ** about Heather leaving until we hear the words from holla mama's own lips?

cherry slushie, you're right - her square jawbone that made her so ghoulish has been altered. It seems too big a change for what fillers would do. I wonder if that can be sawed down (ew?) in surgery or something. Also on WWHL last night, she's had cheek fillers. Anyone know why she wasn't showing off that new shorter bob hairstyle? Again?! What fresh hell is this?

For me, it's not about analyzing Adam's looks or lack thereof, or his age. But if Carole likes him for whatever reason - hey, maybe she actually likes him for his personality and/or their chemistry! - so be it. I wish them well. ETA: By "lack thereof," I didn't mean that was my opinion, just that it's a topic of discussion among viewers, and I don't have a dog in the fight.

I think I've heard Beth say that twice now - that she believes Heather and Carole were in fact trying to catch LuAnn "in the act" - and it still doesn't make any damn sense.

Yeah, Heather's only (non)scene was an intro for another coked-up Bethenny comedy bit. The whole finale was Beth. They even cut to her facial expression during each line of Ramona's toast. I really, really hope she gets her spin-off and stays off my favorite HoWives franchise. Did Heather even get a final quote like the rest of them did?

How did the editor's and/or Leah's hair (which seems to have a life of its own), accomplish the following? Leah has long hair while she's driving the sick one to the doctor. When she's talking about that to Corey as the reason why the other one* didn't get to physical therapy that day, she has the bob. How is this possible? *No, I can't get the names straight.

So Heather gets the worst epilogue quote ever, that doesn't even have anything to do with her own life, and Beth gets a "the best is yet to come" - i.e. "I'll be back to torture you next season." Let alone B gets the WWHL spot tonight. Greeeaaat ...

When are the uber-black smoky eyes paired with nude lipstick finally going to go out of style with these women?!

Wealthy people with two nannies don't have as much childcare help as Leah.

Thanks for the notes, cheatincheetos! Truth is always stranger than fiction. It's no wonder that she has no time to parent.

The closed captioning did indeed say 5:30, which makes no sense.

"Oh hell no, that was a demon." Key & Peele

Bwah ha ha! Priceless. I remember the dress story coming out in the tabloids back when Beth's talk show was airing, but I have no idea why the issue was being resurrected in this episode. I think Beth going after Ramona is production's chosen ending of the Bethenny Redemption arc and the "Ramona, You Fucking Blew It" arc. Beth can go after someone that, unlike Heather and Kristen, actually deserves it. And Ramona, who viewers were ready to champion after the way Mario dumped her, ruined that with her own horrid behavior. And so it comes full circle. Yeah, they put one of those contouring white stripes down her nose.

This. The foot injury is significant, IMO. One thing I like about "Miss Fancy Pants" Heather is that she shows genuine appreciation during their travels, from the accommodations to the food to the outings. She's game to jump right in with the sting rays and the sharks and make the most of it. First-class travel is nothing to her, but most of us will never get a chance to do such a thing or stay in such an amazing place. At least I could live vicariously through her! Meanwhile, Vicki and Tamra could as well have been at the local Holiday Inn Express for the way they were conducting themselves.

Vicki, Tamra and Shannon gave a great AbFab impersonation! I was laughing at them from the safety of my own home, but I would be mortified to be with them in person and annoyed as fuck to be subjected to them if I was a paying customer there. Shannon makes me laugh, but I'm not sure if I'm laughing with her or at her. The motherhood discussion was offensive on multiple levels. Mainly for Vicki and Tamra telling Meghan it's different for bio mothers and those who don't have bio-kids can't possibly understand. Wow ... you just insulted every adoptive and other non-traditional parent out there. Meghan crossed the line with "I wish they were mine," but other than that, they were incredibly condescending toward her.

Same with me, as far as my sense of humor, and aversion to hugs and crying. Like I said in a previous post, maybe Carole goes for "lightness" because of her heavy past. The other alternative is to stay stuck in that identity and use it as an excuse for all types of fuckery - I'm looking at you, Beth.

I remember when she moved, IIRC within a disturbingly short amount of time after meeting Nathan, and there was zero consideration of Jace. I hate seeing the "yes or no" questions that the Teen Moms ask their kids in order to manipulate them. I consider it emotional abuse and child abuse. #TeamJo - I think he's a great father with his priorities in order.

So Ray's new "damsel in distress" is a damsel with ... headaches? That's a big step down from a damsel with a gimpy stalker. Totally! This x 100! So Ray's new "damsel in distress" is a damsel with ... headaches? That's a big step down from a damsel with a gimpy stalker. Totally! This x 100!

The Teen Moms have to be trolling us at this point, because no one spends that much time under a blanket. They *walk around* with blankets around their shoulders. I also love the producers cracking at Leah by having the deer animations every time they closed the "Teen Mom" book. Deer cam reference?

I've been through some serious stuff in my life, and so I deliberately chose a frivolous profession (PR, lol), and do a lot of not-so-serious stuff. I just feel like I've BTDT with all the heavy baggage, and that's why I've always empathized with Carole and felt like I understood her. So what if she wants to eat gummy bears and ride on bicycle handlebars? Doesn't bother me. Co-sign on reading the open letter. It breaks the fourth wall and is beautifully written. The real Carole. Ironically, I now despise the SkinnyGirl brand because of this show. That party could have used a "Pop of Color" [ Kristen ] of SG red, but that was way too much. It looked like the seventh circle of hell. Adderall and/or coke. Take a Xanax, Bethenny!

Carole and "Doris" >>> SkinnyBitch

I'm largely Team #ShutUpMeghan, but I laughed when she said she wasn't going to apologize to Shannon because she wasn't sorry. I'm not big on apologies myself (one of the many reasons I'd make a bad Housewife). Why say you're sorry if you're not? If you said it for a reason and you meant it, what's the point of pretending you didn't? Vicki was treading on some sensitive territory about Meghan needing to have her own money, because it sounded critical of SAHM's even if she didn't intend it that way. I saw Heather and Shannon starting to get their backs up over that.

Bravo + Chefs = Top Chef. Spill some secrets, bravofan27! I'm with jaync, talula and other posters who think this was great for SmileTrain. Kristen was able to raise awareness of the organization through TV time and social media promotion as well as the special event, and I'm sure it will all pay off for SmileTrain. Unfortunately, the rest of Kristen and Heather's good works got left on the cutting room floor this season. I thought it was hilarious when Heather and Carole owned Ramona about the charity signage. "Oh, take a walk," indeed.

Ray and Abby are such shitty parents. I'm not sure if that's what the show wants us to take from their relationship, but I think they're horrible parents. I'm going straight to hell, but Jon Voight sells the hell out of the not-so-charming sociopath character of Mickey Donovan, and I was laughing out loud when the judge keeled over. "Oh Mickey ... " I didn't really understand Ray's indignation at the start of the episode to Finney's men - "I don't sell myself." Isn't that what he does for a living?

Good list. I'd put Jenelle and Nathan before Adam, but otherwise I cosign this!