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What is the obsession with getting women drunk on these housewife shows? Maybe this truly is like a job and you have to drink to get through the day. Jenna/Jessel seem to be the targets this season..yet both were gleeful to direct the target on the other this season. Erin seems to be the bully of the group. Sai should just bring snacks with her at all gatherings. Ubah looks to finally get some focus next week..but I wish it was an individual vignette instead of a conflict. Too much group therapy/trauma dumping...not enough fun.

I think the Bobby thing may have enhanced/worsened the insecurity most of these Bates daughters have. You raise these kids to be one another's best friend, live together in a huge boarding school set up, and then as they hit adult-hood.. they entered into marriage with little to no preparation for what marriage truly is. Sure the daughters all knew how to do food prep, cleaning, etc.. but marriage is a lot more then just domestic duties. When Tori was engaged, both Erin and Alyssa both hinted that it was lonely when they first got married because they went from being with a bunch of siblings/people to just them and their husband. I wonder if both Erin/Alyssa also had the crying and anxiety episodes when their husbands went to work/school like Carlin/Katie both did? All either of them would say was that it was quiet, kind of boring, and it was an adjustment cooking for two people vs 20+ people. And I wonder if Gil really quit his office job at Nabisco because Kelly also became fearful/paranoid over him potentially talking to another woman at his job? This could possibly be generational trauma that has passed down from Gil/Kelly to their kids.

Candiace from Potomac has obviously coached Whitney

I liked that finally Betty started to learn how to dress herself properly.. though she did have a few outfits in the earlier seasons that kind of worked in a Betty way. Still... Betty was the weakest character in the show.. and I watched it for everyone else.

So if Gil did the counseling.. then they didn't get actual good pre marital counseling. I would think it would be a conflict of interest to have the brides father handling the pre marital counseling because those sessions are supposed to actually help couples before they get married.. and having her father be there would make the couple less apt to be honest.

But Sai is hanging out with the other women, revealing things about her past, and is upfront for the most part about her job being an influencer. I think it's shady as all out.. but at least she owns it. Jenna, on the other hand, isn't being upfront and being kind of shady.

I'm not sure if E & C did pre-marital counseling or not... and I'm not sure if the advice my dad and step mom were given is something that would be given to a young couple getting ready to be married but.... Years ago when my dad and now step mom were engaged.. they did pre-marital counseling at the Baptist that they would be attending in the south. One of the things the counseling/minister asked them was if they had kids and what their relationships were with their kids. My dad and I have a cordial relationship.. but we don't talk nor see each other all the time.. while my step mom has an almost too close a relationship with her three kids (talks everyday on the phone, baby sits the grand kids, goes on trips with the kids and grandkids, etc). The minister's one piece of advice was that they needed to marry and not have constant contact with their kids/grandkids because they needed that time to grow as a couple without their grown kids around. I would think maybe E & C would have benefited from a year on their end with a less enmeshed relationship with their families where they would grow together as a couple and have their own family unit. I guess that isn't the case.

So I finally watched the episode.. and I have some thoughts that will probably be unpopular on this board LOL 1) This show is called Real Housewives of New York City not the vacationing Real Housewives. I wish more of the city was seen and there was maybe just one vacation near the end of the season like in the old days of the franchise. 2) I was hearing about a pile up in past posts.. and what I saw wasn't a pile up at all. Shannon Beador, Lisa Vanderpump, Denise Richards etc.. they were ganged up on... but Jenna was not in this episode in my opinion. 3) I like the Jenna solo scene with her brother... as well as Brynn's solo scene with her brother... plus the brief vignettes of Jessel and hubby and Erin and hubby. More of this please (and I seem to prefer watching the flashback scenes that are shown that we haven't seen vs the actual scene we're seeing in person. 4) Erin repeated the coach comment to the group... no different then Jenna repeating Jessel's comment to Erin or repeating Erin's comment to Sai. This is housewife 101. 5) Brynn is 100 % on the money about Jenna in terms of the baby voice, using her condition for sympathy, etc... probably because Brynn does the same thing... and Jenna does come off as elitist.. just as much as Jessel does yet she gets a pass by viewers. Double standard at work..imho. I like Jenna.. but I'm not drinking the kool aid and will call out her shady behavior just as much as the other women. Lastly, we were deprived of Ubah for 2 episodes due to her having Covid.. can we please get another solo scene of Ubah without the other women because I feel we've not gotten as much time with her and she seems fun.

As an introvert and seeing Jenna on screen...I can understand why people are uncomfortable around us..because we are awkward and can't read a room...and Jenna does give off a better than everyone else vibe. She, like myself, isn't able to hide it so sadly she becomes a target for others. She didn't want to do the show but Andy kept wanting her to do the show. Since he's a mean person..we know why he was so intent having her on the show.

That is unusual to be talking fall/winter so close to the actual season. Traditionally September/October is when retailers start planning/buying for resort wear season..and spring/summer clothing. Maybe the boutique is more like a Marshalls/TJ Maxx where it's over head that retailers didn't buy or off loading. If Whitney/Carlin was smart..they could negotiate to buy these items at lower cost and then do a healthy mark up...but what am I saying..of course they aren't that smart lol Tbh, Whitney and Zach are probably the people keeping this afloat..she was the one handling everything during 2020 Covid lockdowns..and I'm sure Carlin got used to that.

You just described my 2 brother in laws..though they were advised to study law and become lawyers. Once they passed the bar and secured the first job...all of a sudden Baptist church goers were introducing them to their daughter, sister, etc...and married both became within a year. However I found this only seems to work on southern men..not gay men from the north like myself lol. Just from watching the shows, Gil and co would respect someone that works in the trades vs someone with non trade background (i.e. Bobby, Brandon, Travis). I say that because Gil probably would have less in common with Bobby, etc then he would with the guys in trade. Katie hopefully will learn to temper her jealousy..and I have a feeling the longer she's in NJ..the more she will change... look at Alyssa as a perfect example. I also think maybe Bobby leaving suddenly could be something as simple as it wasn't a fit. Sometimes people will obtain a degree in something and once out in the world...flounder.

I never understood writers struggling to write for Marley because her character had so many facets. She was raised for 18 years thinking Donna was her older sister and then finding out that she was really her mother. That was never fully explored except that Marley always called Donna 'Donna'. Truth be told...that actually happened in my extended family. Someone was raised for 21 years thinking someone was their older sister only to find out they were actually their mom. Lots and lots of psychologically issues that never got resolved. The show hinted at Marley's mental state during the Anne Heche years...but wasn't fully explored till the last months.

delayed processing.. where at the time an event happens, you can't grasp the seriousness of the event... but later on, it can hit you like a ton of bricks that what happened was not right. I was always confused about whether Caroline/Farmer Ted really did anything.. or if they just assumed something had happened. I guess I've got my answer

I had three of my cousin's Gen Z kids watch It's a Wonderful Life because they had never heard nor seen it. What surprised me was that the fact that they loved the dance scene at the high school gym, and how they wished people were more polite and warm with one another. The consensus of all three of them was that Mary was the MVP of the movie.. and they all thought she was beautiful in both realities.

Suzanne could handle Ursula because she was the only one there without a boyfriend so she observed all the going ons objectively. Suzanne might not have been book smart but she knew how to read people. And when Julia had stress due to reese's health issues and later death..she rose to the occasion and handled business with ease and confidence.

Emotional affairs are damaging. I doubt they believe in marriage counseling because I'm sure both would benefit from it. When looking at United Bates of America (original series)..Michaela was on an island of her own...while Erin, Alyssa and Tori were a trio...with Erin/Alyssa remarking how ditzy Tori was (i.e. mention was made at how inept she was in driving and following directions) and it seemed like a running joke (same with Erin and cooking). I think Tori's place in the birth order amongst the girls was one of transition..between the responsible ones (Michaela, Erin, and Alyssa)..and the more care free daughters (Carlin, Josie, and Katie). Hearing this Reddit story..it makes sense why she hasn't gotten a YT channel..because less exposure means less chance of scandal coming out.

Nice to meet Brynn's ex fiance Gideon...I see why Erin and Sai was singing his praises. He's too good for Brynn...and she needs to work on her issues before she has a kid. Jessel could have a girl...I think you could fertilize eggs to increase your chances of a girl..but no guarantees. I can't help..but like her..in all her awkwardness. Erin is too pressed and needs to chill. Jenna seems cool...but I don't trust her. I forsee a Gretchen Christine handbag or a Bethenny Skinny girl themed room in her future Sai is on here to take her influencer brand to the next level.

From watching the Bates show.. when Brandon/Michaela were living in the Chicago suburbs... the younger kids would visit them... and Michaela .... gasp... was providing structure and making the younger kids follow rules. Kids may like the freedom... but I think deep down, they crave structure and routine as well... which Michaela seems to provide. It is kind of sad that she/Brandon would make great parents and have been unable to successfully conceived while Kelly/Gil.. and Carlin/Evan seem to have no trouble having kids and take them for granted.

Carlene does come on strong, but the show does eventually soften her character a bit as the season goes on. Season 1, 6, and 7 are the seasons where I only watch a few select episodes because all 3 of those seasons were hit or miss for me. Season 1 must see episodes for me: Julia's Son, Monette, and O' Sussanah (where Suzanne shows her maternal/softer side.. and the first time I felt Julia showed genuine affection for Suzanne instead of always being too harsh in her putdowns). Season 6 must see episodes for me: Julia and mary jo stuck under a bed, Driving my mama back home (where we meet Mary Jo's mom and kind of understand why Mary Jo is the way she is), Carlene's Apartment, and I enjoy being a girl Season 7 must see episodes for me: On the road again, The Odyssey, and the Lying Game

I tune into the Hallmark Mysteries channel to watch mysteries... not the two movies that are going to be airing on that channel in September. Both look interesting, but they aren't mysteries and should aired on the main Hallmark channel instead.

One of the things I liked about the show was that Mike and Carol bantered..and seemed to really enjoy/like one another. And the ice cream shop episode kind of foreshadowed how Jan, Marcia, and Peter would turn out in adult form. Jan being type A, Peter drifting from relationship and job on a whim, and Marcia focusing on raising a family to career. And Jan was valid in her jealousy of Marcia and it led to some episodes of Jan finding her way and learning to love herself.

Only based on watching past episodes of their reality show, but I'm doubling down on my big pond, little fish analogy.. and it also applies to Erin. Erin seems to come across as pious and a control freak. I'm sure in her close knit circles, she was looked upon as the end all be all for everything... ranging from matchmaking, decorating, cooking, etc. So I imagine that she probably has run into the queen bee at her new church and isn't looked upon as the end all be all in this new church in Florida vs where she was in TN.

I liked the individual scenes better than the gathering. We got a look into the marital dynamics of Erin, Sai, and Jessel..while seeing a bit more into Jenna's professional life. More of this please. Brynn is the friend you keep away from your significant other only because they don't respect boundaries. I had a friend that I said if I ever dated someone seriously I wouldn't ever introduced them to one another because this friend didn't respect boundaries (and we're no longer friends). Jessel is a combination of Alex/Ramona...while Erin is so Jill (holds grudges, takes things personally)...though I don't recall if Jill ever starves anyone at one of her gatherings or not.

By now the women need to pre game or to bring snacks to anything Erin hosts since the girl doesn't believe in food at a party..especially after Jessel's gathering had food options.

I seem to recall that Tori used to help do Pre-K homeschooling for some of Erin and Zachary's kids. Does Carlin/Evan live close to Tori? If so, why not drop off Layla at auntie Tori's so that she could have other little kids her age to be around.