Henry: The Prestige-Drama Useless Little Brother

[Tara Ariano]

Join your brethren, Chris Brody and that kid on Ray Donovan!

[maraleia]

I actually think Henry is going to break this curse. His story just got interesting tonight. I think this thread should be changed to He Just Want's Intellivision.

[Boundary]

He's a good person.

[Joystickenvy]

If his parents would just buy him a damn intellivision none of this would happen! They're ruining his life!

[Scamp]

Henry needs a haircut and a Boy Scout troop.  

[Hal25]

I really liked Henry this week. They're slowly building his character and not overdoing it for such a young actor but the important scenes he's had have been great.

Edited April 18, 2014 by maraleia
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[RedHawk]

My feeling is that we'll see much more of Henry in Season 4. When I re-watched S3 episodes, I noticed near the end of S3 there were some odd POV shots when Philip and Elizabeth were having intense chats in their bedroom, and once when Paige was in there arguing with them. I think those might be a tip-off that Henry was listening in or looking when the door was slightly cracked. His apparent obsession with that damn electronic football game may be hiding his eavesdropping and putting a lot more together than Paige ever did. 

 

All speculation of course! But I hope they do more with Henry in an interesting way. For example, he's likely to be very loyal to Stan if he sees Stan in danger...

[sistermagpie]

Yeah, I think Henry will definitely become some different kind of factor. I don't know if you listen to the Vulture podcast but they interviewed the J's this week. It's mostly non-spoilery, but they do play a couple of clips from I assume the first ep and P&E have a wonderfully funny conversation about Henry that signals that he's definitely taken a step into maturity. A clumsy step.

 

It's even funnier when you figure that this season is picking up probably days after the last one ended, and back then Henry was still firmly on the side of childhood, despite his interest in Sandra Beeman. Now he's embarrassingly adolescent. And like 6 inches taller.

 

I've always liked, btw, how both parents seem to without knowing it (this show easily has the most unselfaware characters) often seem to project onto their kids. Like Philip always talks about Paige like she's the most amazing person ever while Elizabeth often worries over her having faults that Elizabeth worries about in herself--or is happy when she sees things they have in common. In Henry's case Elizabeth early on claimed he'd "be fine" no matter what because he was "like Philip"--so seeing Philip's good qualities in him. While Philip tends to be almost blank about seeing things in him. I don't mean he's dismissive or insulting, but he usually just says "he's a kid" so they can't tell yet. I get the impression he just sort of doesn't want to think about Henry being locked into any one personality yet, especially his own. But also that he identifies more with Henry and doesn't have as clear a view of himself so he isn't as confident talking about Henry as a person the way he is about Paige, if that makes sense.

 

In this clip from the podcast I just felt like the mere context of them talking about Henry being a doofus made Philip automatically defensive in ways Elizabeth wasn't. Like the convo even starts with Elizabeth assuming that Philip was responsible for some of this stuff and he even weakly protests that he tried to stop it. I don't mean defensive as if they're having a fight, just that there's a sort of subtle understanding that it's Philip's responsibility or somehow something he'd explain more than she would because they're talking about the boy.

 

The other thing I liked about it was this casual reference to Philip trying to give him some advice was a little reminder that despite the long hours these guys do have intimate relationships with their kids. I'm often a little disturbed when I see these casual references to other people becoming their "real parents" now because the kids have good relationships with them, and sometimes it seems almost inside out to me. Like the idea that the person you have pleasant times with, where you're always on your best behavior, is the more intimate relationship than the person you take for granted or act badly around.

[PinkRibbons]

Can we talk about how much Henry resembles his father? I feel like this is the closest thing to confirmation we have that Philip is at the very least Henry's biological father. I can't yet find the name of mini-Misha's actor, but here's comparison screencaps:

 

 

 

I'm not sure what exactly it is that makes such a huge resemblance to me, but it's freaking me out. Especially the fact that managed to find a kid who both looked like Henry and had Philip's eyes.

[sistermagpie]

I'm not sure what exactly it is that makes such a huge resemblance to me, but it's freaking me out. Especially the fact that managed to find a kid who both looked like Henry and had Philip's eyes.

 

 

With the dark circles! (Seriously, I liked how Philip was already developing them in this ep where he barely slept.)

 

I thought the same thing when I saw him. It makes sense to want to cast him as a Henry-alike (guess his hair got curlier when he got older!). I tried to look up his name too because I wondered if he would ever appear again and have to speak. If so, he'd have to be a kid who spoke Russian.

 

I take the paternity of both kids as confirmed, myself.

[AliShibaz]

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Oh No! I thought I was posting a new topic about Henry and what his role is. But I guess there was already a thread about that. I'm very surprised and impressed the software for this board seems to have figured out that my new thread should have actually been a post to an existing thread. Oh well, I will leave things as they are and maybe someone can explain how this happened?

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What is going on with Henry? I don't know how many of you may have noticed this, but Henry seems to look at least two or three years older this season than he did just last season and who knows what next season may bring? He certainly seems to be shooting up into young manhood and doing that very quickly.

 

This show has spent a huge amount of time dealing with Paige and her issues. But so far, they seem to have presented Henry as a young boy with no friends of his own (unless you can consider Stan to be his friend) and no apparent interests of his own (except for Mrs. Beeman). That is pretty strange in itself. But I would guess we may see some future interaction between Henry and Stan that may cause Stan to suspect P & E and although Paige's mind may be strong enough to resist Stan's probing, Henry is probably a much softer target. The only interests Henry seems to have are looking at pictures of Mrs. Beeman and playing computer games and board games. But Henry should have outgrown those interests (except maybe for Mrs. Beeman) long ago. He is past due some development. Isn't he?

 

It seems to me this show really has to do something more with Henry. They can't just let him sit around the house and play with his computer forever. I don't know why they've never given him any friends. But he really ought to have one or two guy friends his own age or a girl friend his own age so that he can explore the "young male" culture as it existed in the mid 1980s. It's just getting to be too strange. I don't think any young boy would act the way he does unless he was hiding something.

 

Paige may well never say anything to Henry about her parents being spies. But if Henry doesn't develop some interests of his own pretty soon, I would guess he would do something - almost anything - to escape the boredom of his current routine - maybe even snooping on his parents?  If not, what kind of adventures do you think the show runners may send Henry's way? And when will that likely happen? Do you think we can go all the way through Season 5 with no substantial development in his character? If so, we are very likely to wake up one day and find Henry has run away from home and eloped - maybe even with Matthew? OK. that was just a silly joke. But, surely they can't go an entire new season with Henry just sitting around with the computer?

 

What do you think may happen with Henry next season? Surely something has to happen. Don't you think?

Edited April 23, 2016 by AliShibaz

[RedHawk]

I think Henry's relationship with Stan is going to come into play soon, and perhaps be a test of loyalty in some way.

[sistermagpie]

Henry's actually always had a lot of interests of his own. He likes pop culture, movies TV etc. He's been into magic, astronomy, hockey and baseball. he probably still plays on sports teams like he always did. He had plenty of kids at his birthday party and has mentioned kids in conversations--Henry used to have great comments to make when he was a kid. He was always thinking through something in a curious way.

 

He shot up between seasons because the actor did, unfortunately so more recently he's been into Saturday Night Live (specifically Eddie Murphy) and video games. Oh, and sex. Pretty much all women probably hold his interest at this point, but he's still thinking past things like boobs if he's asking Stan how he met his wife.

 

I think on these shows all kids seem like they have no friends because who wants to waste screentime on the kids' life? But I don't think Henry's supposed to be some weirdo with no ability to make friends. He's just currently into an idea of wanting to be more adult--not surprising given his sister is always kind of pulling rank as the older sister I guess. But I think he's interested in doing stuff that in his mind seem older and Stan's house is bro-heaven. And from the show's perspective, just like with Paige, him having a relationship with an adult is more important to the plot than any kid could be. Even if they had given Stan a son Henry's age that he was always hanging out with they'd use it to make him interact with Stan.

 

I mean, look at his interactions with Matthew. He's in some ways being totally tone deaf in that he doesn't get that Matthew and Stan should probably be alone, but he's perfectly social and funny. I think honestly, Henry is the normal one here. Not super cool by a longshot, but probably also not a social outcast. I also tend to think he might like hanging at Stan because he's got another persona over there--a bit like Philip and his other lives. Not that he's a totally different guy, but when he's with Stan he seems to kind of act like they're two bros hanging out and are nearly the same age--same with Matthew. When he greeted him with "Heyyyy, Matthew!" as if they were buds. He seemed like he was being a goofball and seeing himself as fitting in.

[AliShibaz]

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All speculation of course! But I hope they do more with Henry in an interesting way. For example, he's likely to be very loyal to Stan if he sees Stan in danger...

 

That's very interesting. The show runners could devise an episode in which Henry is thrown in between his parents and the FBI in some kind of confrontation and Henry is forced to pick a side. Imagine the quizzical look on his face after Stan tells Henry to call 911 (or something like that). Henry would be holding the phone up and ask, "Mom? Dad? Mr. Beeman?" Then ... the end of episode credits roll and it's a cliff hanger ... at least until the next episode. Maybe even the next season?

 

After all, they did something similar with Paige at the end of Season 3. The last scene of the last episode in Season 3 shows Paige on the phone and she is just about to tell Pastor Tim that her parents are Russian spies (or something similar) and then ... the episode ends and we are left waiting for the next season to find out what happens as a result. This show just keeps on getting better and better all the time.

Edited April 23, 2016 by AliShibaz

[methodwriter85]

God, Henry makes me cringe so much as I remember those awkward, awkward years between 11 to 15.

I was hoping we were going to skip to 1984 so he could finally get rid of that awkward bowl cut.

Edited May 6, 2016 by methodwriter85

[sistermagpie]

6 hours ago, RedFiat said:

Admittedly Henry is oblivious to his parents secret lives, unlike Paige, but for me, it is in the conversations with Stan that we see a kid who is  troubled by his parents absences, (acts out by breaking into his neighbor house) wants to be an FBI agent like Stan, and befriends Stan in a way that is surprising, choosing to hang out with him instead of his peers, assumes he is always welcomed for dinner, and talking to a man his fathers age about women

I do wonder where the Henry stuff is going. On one hand, Stan is obviously his Pastor Tim. Only Pastor Tim was all about Paige laying out all the information she'd noticed about her parents. In Henry's case it's like the opposite, he and Stan are linked by being shut out of the real world of the Jennings. So how will that wind up being its own time bomb?

I'm not always sure how Henry is supposed to come across. I have a real a real pet peeve about this idea that Henry "acted out" by breaking into the house.  It just seems like a situation where a kid saw something he wanted--the video game--saw a way to get it and got his greedy ass caught. Calling it acting out just seems like getting suckered into making him a victim because he got too complacent about it. The first time we saw him do it he even blew off his parents to go over there, just as he's often sitting in a room with his parents with his eyes glued to one game or another. Video games are an actual temptation.

Stan's house offers many of the same things. Stan gives him bootleg videos, makes him food before dinner, talks about sex, plays games. He's also got Matthew, a more appropriate older role model, who really does seem to have warmed up to Henry. He gives Henry beer and plays with him too--the last couple of times we heard about Henry being over there he was with Matthew. It seems actually pretty natural to me that Henry is attracted to older guys, especially somebody like Stan who's an FBI agent, sleeps with hot women (in Henry's view) and is almost always giving him something. Or Matthew, who's a teenager. Philip, otoh, is a boring travel agent, is married to Henry's mom and isn't particularly indulgent with the stuff.

He's also frankly slippery to pin down even when he's there. He like instinctively erases himself and deflects attention, which I think could be just as important as when he was "traveling" a lot. Henry can't know his parents if they don't show themselves to him, and as of now they're not doing that. Stan's been more open than they have. He talked about how he wanted to be an FBI agent as a kid, said things about being divorced. When Henry asked about sex Stan mentioned his own high school. All these are subtle ways that Henry's separated from his parents, how he can know Stan in ways he can't know his parents. Since he knows he can get an answer to this stuff he's more likely to ask more, like asking how Stan met Sandra.

Now, though, there's a big change because Paige is in the know and is working Pastor Tim. That I think might get Henry's attention even more, and that's kind of what makes us all feel like Henry's more shut out now, because he's always got to be occupied so they can all talk. Since Henry is friends with Stan and talks to him, it could definitely become a danger. He's already said that his dad traveled a lot, he mentioned their impromptu trip out of town when he came to get milk. (Hee--I just realized that's a funny juxtaposition given Philip's own childhood memory involving going to get milk.) He announced that Pastor Tim gets himself arrested in protests--he's like a heat-seeking missile that seeks out anything he finds unusual or cool. So far his parents don't do that, but the focus on Paige might really get his attention. Paige who's really into that Pastor. I don't know--I can almost imagine him causing trouble by putting Stan's focus on Pastor Tim, even. Henry also overheard when Paige talked about Gregory. I don't think she said his name, but she did say that their parents knew somebody who got shot and I think she was linking it to protests back int he 60s. That sort of thing could be dangerous too. I could see Henry's world kind of changing in a moment if he was in a situation where he started his usual cheerful blabbing and Philip or Elizabeth seriously shut him up. I don't mean being violent or anything, but just making him see that they have something to hide. That might drop some serious scales from his eyes.

So yeah, I wonder where it's going. I think people exaggerate when they say "Henry's closer to Stan now to his parents so he'd tell on them" just as I thought it was wrong to say that about Pastor Tim and Paige. Their parents are still their parents, they've just both also sought out other adult role models who are contrasts to their parents and fascinate them more at the moment. I don't read that as the kids being literally bereft in this department because I just don't see Philip and Elizabeth as so very uninvolved or neglectful. But I do think that along with being an obvious better choice for plot purposes than having them talk to kids their own age it's a sign that they are picking up on there being something off from their own parents that makes them drawn to alternate adults to work that out. 

[madam magpie]

Yeah, I wouldn't say Henry is closer to Stan. He hangs out with Stan and likes him as a fun neighbor friend who is cooler than his parents. No matter that NO ONE else sees Stan as cool. That seems believable to me. But I don't have any reason to believe Henry would sell out his family as a result. He could be conflicted, I guess, about what's right. He was super insistent that he was a "good person" after that video game break in.

I don't get the sense that he's disconnected from his parents either, though. He and Philip do a lot together early on: they play hockey, bond over cars, etc. And his parents seem to dote on him. I mean...the kid breaks into a house to play video games, his parents never punish him, and we see soon after that they've given him his own video game system. He curses around them, he teases them. To me, he looks like a beloved youngest child kind of skating through life, giving his parents no trouble, and having a lot of freedom of movement.

I am super interested in his reaction when he finds out his parents are spies. My inclination is that he'll either be unfazed or think it's really cool...or a little of both. He's so chill. I'd be surprised if he freaks out.

[sistermagpie]

11 minutes ago, madam magpie said:

To me, he looks like a beloved youngest child kind of skating through life, giving his parents no trouble, and having a lot of freedom of movement.

Yeah, that's sort of how he seems to me too. It's actually pretty healthy the way he cheerfully dismisses his parents. Plus in general parental relationships are really strong and complicated. Kids don't just defect to another family because they had a cool conversation with the FBI neighbor about girls or their parents haven't found God. They might go through a phase where they absolutely do feel that way when they're really into something, but that doesn't usually result in an actual break. And it probably wouldn't in this family where the Jennings actually seem to enjoy each other a lot. 

13 minutes ago, madam magpie said:

I am super interested in his reaction when he finds out his parents are spies. My inclination is that he'll either be unfazed or think it's really cool...or a little of both. He's so chill. I'd be surprised if he freaks out.

Yeah, this really interests me too. It just seems a waste to want to keep him out when they get the chance to explode this grenade twice in the same show, with two very different kids. The one who was always intensely curious and the one who seems to prefer his parents being boring. Yet both kids in their own way are interested in adulthood and being adult. Paige focused on her own parents and the secrets she saw with them, Henry's interested in more traditional signs of adulthood like drinking and sex. It kind of makes sense that he'd associate--and want to associate--those things more with the guy next door. But in both cases where the kids looked to other people their parents secretly offered even more intense versions of what they looked for there.

[hellmouse]

I do think we'll see Henry find out. I have no idea when or how, but I come back to how Elizabeth described the kids back in S1 or S2. She said Henry would adapt to anything, because he was like Philip. But Paige worried her because she seemed fragile somehow. Then near the end of S2, she says she has realized that Paige is like her. So the show seems to have set up each child as being like one of their parents.

We've seen how Paige is similar to Elizabeth, in terms of wanting to believe in something larger than herself, wanting to do good and being willing to sacrifice for a cause. We've also seen how she's dissimilar, much of which seems to come down to her being American raised in comfort and privilege vs Elizabeth being Russian raised in a tough, demanding situation, IMO. I can't help but think that if Paige had been raised in Nadezhda's situation, she would have turned out a lot like Elizabeth. 

So how is Henry like Philip? It's tough because we don't know much about Philip's childhood. Henry has proven to be brave (hitting the creepy beer and bread guy who picked them up), resourceful (sneaking in to the home to play video games, hiding his stash of girlie pics), adaptable (not troubled by going to the strange motel and being left alone by parents, comfortable hanging out with Stan and happy to have Matthew join), loyal (keeps Paige's secret when she doesn't go to school and keeps hitchhiking secret - in fact, both times he lies to their parents to cover for them), honorable (not wanting to be seen as a liar or criminal), and happy being with his family (playing games, playing hockey, telling jokes, doing magic tricks, wanting to go to EPCOT, etc).

He seems like a well adjusted kid who is interested in things, but not particularly curious about his parents.. He doesn't seem to question his parents' comings and goings. Even when Paige points out things that seem strange, Henry does not seem fazed by it. The one time he is troubled is when his parents separate, and fortunately for him, they reunite. 

How will he react to finding out about them being spies? I suppose the context will be most important, but assuming it's not something that directly hurts him or his immediate family, nothing we've seen so far makes me think that he will have the same traumatic reaction as Paige. 

Edited June 1, 2016 by hellmouse

[Umbelina]

I think Henry will find out too.  He may already know.  That look he shot toward his parents and Paige immediately going into the house after the Pastors dropped her off didn't seem accidental.  (Parents were taking her in to debrief her, which stopped the hockey practice cold.)  Henry may notice a hell of a lot more than anyone in that family realizes.

I go back to one thing.  Kids always know when something is off, they may not know every specific, or even understand it, but they know.

[Sarah 103]

On 6/1/2016 at 2:29 PM, Umbelina said:

Henry may notice a hell of a lot more than anyone in that family realizes.

This is part of my big (somewhat unsupported) theory about Henry. He knows more than people realize and give him credit for. I like the idea what while Paige asked/had to be told, Henry will figure it out on his own, but will not say anything. Philip and Elizabeth won't even realize that he figured it out on his own until he tells them that he knows the truth. 

[sistermagpie]

2 minutes ago, Sarah 103 said:

This is part of my big (somewhat unsupported) theory about Henry. He knows more than people realize and give him credit for. I like the idea what while Paige asked/had to be told, Henry will figure it out on his own, but will not say anything. Philip and Elizabeth won't even realize that he figured it out on his own until he tells them that he knows the truth. 

I think it's just too unrealistic and cartoony to think Henry would figure out on his own that his parents are Russian spies. Clearly he's started to notice that there's a dynamic going on that he hadn't noticed in the past and now he's starting to, but that's normal. He's now the same age Paige was when the show started and he's noticing the exact same type things she did. Only with him Paige is included in the weirdness. The look in the driveway (and the one at Philip after Paige and Elizabeth are nearly mugged) are imo more scary if you take them at face value.

Of course, there could be some contrived situation where he hears/sees/finds something concrete that would lead to something. But I think that would be explosive (like with Jared). Him pulling a huge gotcha seems more like turning it into a joke. I think the juicier drama would come from them focusing on the Henry/Philip/Elizabeth relationship and go to it that way. So like with Paige, but if he's a different kid it's a different story. Especially with Paige in there.

[Christina]

I just did a quick search on Henry and found that he is going to have a story line this year, but it didn't mention what it will be or when it will start. However, I did come across a cute article on Vulture about the excuses used to hide Henry offscreen on the show.

[Umbelina]

I feel like there are many ways Henry could figure it out.  For one thing, Paige hasn't been exactly discreet about discussing it loudly when Henry was in the house.  For another, he's created a floorboard hiding space for his girly photos.  If Paige noticed how much time the parents hang out in the laundry room?  So has Henry, but Henry is more creative about "hiding places" obviously.  He's also pretty good at reading people, for one example the whole hitchhiking incident.  So I'm supposed to think that he hasn't picked up on the additional tension between Paige and the parents?  He's a curious kid. 

Frankly though, I always kind of thought the introduction of the computer would be the thing that ends up cluing him in.  So far though, we've never seen Philip or Elizabeth even touch it.

[sistermagpie]

I don't think they'd have Henry literally figure out that his parents are Russian spies and not say anything--it's just so OTT!

I think he has noticed the change in the dynamics of the family and is reacting to it. (I won't be surprised if Philip or Elizabeth winds up getting a call from the police station next week because Henry's doing...something. But who knows?) Henry's had a massive change in his lifestyle since the end of last season (when we got a few pointed moments of him noticing things) and this one.

It's not that I couldn't believe Henry actually discovering things on his own--for instance, we know that P&E have a little space behind the picture in their room where they keep a radio (we saw Elizabeth using it once). I could imagine Henry finding something like that and getting the seriousness of it, or figuring out his parents are up to something. The only thing I couldn't buy is him figuring out the truth and keeping it secret off-screen like it was no big deal. 

Paige was and remains surprisingly disconnected from the whole Soviet spy thing. It's like she wasn't aware that "secret Russian spies" are a common boogie man in US pop culture at that time. Given Henry's previous personality (protective, instinctively defensive, secretive, wanting his family together) I can see him being the kid who immediately sees this as a threat to his family (however he feels about the USSR), unlike Paige who's still tempted to blab to her boyfriend.

Henry also seems to have a secret life of his own going on at the moment. He doesn't have to keep it that secret since his parents don't watch him that closely, but I feel like Henry would get a lot of the stuff Paige still needs explained to her this late in the game.

I even find myself imagining a scene where, like, Philip sees Henry somewhere using a fake English accent and pretending to be somebody else just for fun. Philip, of course, backs him up on it instead of ratting him out. Or whatever.

Edited March 22, 2017 by sistermagpie

[Sarah 103]

11 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

Paige was and remains surprisingly disconnected from the whole Soviet spy thing. It's like she wasn't aware that "secret Russian spies" are a common boogie man in US pop culture at that time. Given Henry's previous personality (protective, instinctively defensive, secretive, wanting his family together) I can see him being the kid who immediately sees this as a threat to his family (however he feels about the USSR), unlike Paige who's still tempted to blab to her boyfriend.

Yeah. You would think as part of being born and raised in America she would have watched a James Bond movie or a Mission Impossible rerun or any number of pop culture things that would have Soviet spies as the villian. 

11 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

Henry also seems to have a secret life of his own going on at the moment. He doesn't have to keep it that secret since his parents don't watch him that closely, but I feel like Henry would get a lot of the stuff Paige still needs explained to her this late in the game.

This is so true. The Centre might want to recuit Paige because she's the oldest, but they really should take another look at Henry because he's a natural born spy. 

11 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

I even find myself imagining a scene where, like, Philip sees Henry somewhere using a fake English accent and pretending to be somebody else just for fun. Philip, of course, backs him up on it instead of ratting him out. Or whatever.

I love this idea. It's even better if it happens when Philip catches Henry somewhere he shouldn't be. What I'm picturing is Henry cutting school and going to the arcade or a diner, or someplace like that, and fakes an English (or any type of) accent. Someone asks why Henry isn't in school. He pretends to be the son of a diplomat who goes to a private school (private schools and public schools often have different vacations or different days off). Philip is watching this play out and while he knows he's supposed to be mad at his son, he can't help but be impressed. Philip plays along with it and Matthew Rhys gets to use his regular voice/normal accent. I may have to actually write this as a fan-fic. Thanks @sistermagpie for the inspiration. I've always thought it would be fun to write a fan-fic for this series, but I never had an idea for something I felt capable of writing and would turn out well. I don't think I could handle writing a full 42 minute episode with a mission and other plotlines, but a one or two scene story like this would be great. 

[RedHawk]

On March 22, 2017 at 0:16 AM, Umbelina said:

Frankly though, I always kind of thought the introduction of the computer would be the thing that ends up cluing him in.  So far though, we've never seen Philip or Elizabeth even touch it.

The computer is there and I do think it's going to work in somehow. Philip was shown reading the first issue of PC Magazine, which was in Feb/March 1982, around the time he downloaded data from that computer lab, so he's curious about new technology. Strikes me as the type of dad who would be interested in early gaming, but he's been so busy! 

[qtpye]

15 hours ago, Sarah 103 said:

Yeah. You would think as part of being born and raised in America she would have watched a James Bond movie or a Mission Impossible rerun or any number of pop culture things that would have Soviet spies as the villian. 

Hell, has she never caught an old episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle?  Her parents are Boris and Natasha (though Phil is hotter then Boris).

[sistermagpie]

35 minutes ago, qtpye said:

Hell, has she never caught an old episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle?  Her parents are Boris and Natasha (though Phil is hotter then Boris).

I had hoped, when it looked like the FBI would be chasing the unknown Illegals they almost got at the end of s1, that all the agents would refer to them as Boris and Natasha. I mean, they kind of have to, don't they? I'm surprised Paige hasn't sarcastically done it. Or even Pastor Tim. Or more likely his wife.

[sistermagpie]

Yelling from a stranger in my house wouldn't make me jump to "Oh yay!  Private time to masturbate!"  I'd be concerned that they were in danger or trouble, and/or CURIOUS about why the pastor's wife was screaming at them.  He admitted to hearing screaming.  I absolutely don't buy he wouldn't listen in. 

I'd expect him to come out as soon as the doorbell rang, because why wouldn't he come to see who's at the door? 

5 minutes ago, RedHawk said:

I was joking about Henry and the photo -- totally sure that he's listened in on every argument in that household (that he was around for) and has picked up on the weird vibes and intense focus on Paige. Kids don't just shrug and do as they're told, shut the door and ignore what's happening right in their own home. 

I definitely agree that Henry is aware of something going on--those two looks mentioned are big red flags that are about exactly that. He can't, imo, be listening to actual arguments that lay out the truth, because this kind of information is big enough to make him emotionally disturbed. It's one of the most destabilizing you can do to someone is take away their identity. It led one kid to murder his parents. Paige is okay because her parents told her themselves and have dealt with her step by step. 

But that doesn't mean he isn't noticing things just like Paige did, hearing something. In a way, what we're seeing with Henry is Paige's story, only Henry's not a kid who deals with this kind of thing by going to his parents and confronting them with it. He doesn't rock the boat as long as things are mostly the way he needs them to be, and he expects people to have secrets. Paige pointedly asks her mother who was on the phone, picks up the receiver, asks what the emergency was at work etc. Just because Henry doesn't do that doesn't mean that he's not noticing the same connections.

But I think Paige having moved over the line into her parents' secret is enough to upset things enough for him to get more aggressive. Plus, of course, he's older so seeing things more clearly and questioning things. The end of S3 had him and Stan playing a game while Philip, Elizabeth and Paige were locked in their spy-torment story across the street. The ends of the seasons tend to set up a tableau that sets up the chessboard for the next season. S4 ends with Stan declaring his interest in Paige and Matthew (this season starts with him seeming to be spending lots of time with them--Paige, not Henry), Paige and Matthew together, and Henry alone, annoyed at having watched the Superbowl alone while everyone else was wrapped up in adult storylines. If he wants to be inside the secret of his house that he started showing great interest in and being impatient with, he needs to put his focus onto his family. 

There's also that great moment when Elizabeth comes home after being with her friend Young-hee and Henry snarkily says, "You have friends?" It was kind of a stunningly correct comment tossed off by Henry. I wouldn't doubt that he might be capable of a lot more cutting remarks that show him being observant about peoples' personalities outside of himself. He's always been curious about stuff that people talk to him about; I think from what we've heard from him he's one of those kids who's smart and curious but can be lazy about things that don't interest him and question why he should do things a certain way. He's a self-motivated learner who follows his own interests. 

He may look at his parents' interest in Paige and just see a favoritism that baffles him. Paige and her mother have always been the ones to demand attention for their feelings while Philip and Henry are more passive and independent. I wonder if Henry's even more baffled to see both Stan and Matthew also becoming obsessed with Paige who to Henry has often just been bossy and dismissive.

[Umbelina]

I should bring all this Henry talk I've been doing over here.

I think Henry knows, and has known for a while, perhaps not all the details, but he HAS to know something is up.

#1 reason?

The yelling he admitted he "heard yelling, but not the words" to his dad after the Pastor's wife stormed in and started screaming about Russians and spies.  I just don't believe that if Henry heard yelling, especially a stranger's voice, he wouldn't have opened his bedroom door (which may not have even been closed!) and listened.  Concern for his family, or just curiosity, whatever, I just don't buy it.  Seconds before his mother yelled up at him in a slightly less loud voice and told him that if he didn't clear his plate he'd be eating off it for breakfast.  He immediately replied, "Fine, more flavor" or something like that.  In addition, they frequently "call" Henry for dinner or school, so if he is expected to hear them then, why not when the Pastor's wife is screaming about spies?

#2 reason?

Paige has done plenty of yelling/loud talking herself about spies and Russians when Henry has been home.

#3 reason?

He's an aware kid.  He knows Paige has suspected their parents, she used to talk to him about their weirdness and spending so much time in the laundry room.  Now, suddenly, the parental unit is constantly having private little talks with Paige, overly concerned about Paige, lets Paige stay home from school and he comments that his mother wouldn't let him stay home from school even if he were dying.

# 3 1/2 reason (related to above)

Henry is always giving these LOOKS after being left while parents run after Paige.  The camera lingers on him, and he has a knowing face, kind of sad, but not jealous, certainly AWARE though.  A couple of examples

:  Right after the "mugging where they scared the guy away" Philip abruptly leaves the computer game he's been playing with Henry and goes upstairs where Elizabeth is already comforting Paige to join them with a hurried and lame excuse.  Soon, Paige's bedroom door closes.  Camera lingers on Henry's sad/aware/resigned face.

Philip, Henry, and Elizabeth are all playing Hockey in the driveway, having fun, laughing.  The Pastor and wife bring Paige home from playing miniature golf, Paige exits the car looking constipated and goes inside.  GAME OVER.  Philip and Elizabeth follow Paige into the house like ducklings follow their mom, leaving Henry looking forlorn and resigned (he expect it) at his hockey stick, all alone outside. 

There have been others.

#4  reason?

In a deleted scene Paige tells Henry that he was brave with that guy who picked them up hitchhiking.  Henry says in a self depreciating way, "Brave?  I pissed my pants!"  but then calls Paige back and specifically asks her if she TOLD ANYONE about that incident.  Paige tells him no, she didn't.  Why ask that specific question?  I mean, I can understand that question, it's not all that strange, but does he know Paige is a blabbermouth that told some secret of his parent's?  Just musing...

# 5 possible reason?

Henry has a cubby hole hiding place under the damn floorboards in his bedroom.  Paige has drawn his attention to the laundry room, and he's often left alone in the house, or alone with just Paige upstairs asleep.  Paige kept going down there and just standing in the center, rifling through laundry.  If Henry decided to investigate?  He'd be checking floorboards, walls, and behind the dryer is a gimme.  Maybe he has and is just keeping his mouth shut about it?

#6  Adding one.

Henry is practically rolling his eyes now in every scene where his parents are giving some lame and completely unbelievable excuse for the midnight and overnight runs to the Travel Agency.  That place has more "emergencies" than anyone with a brain could ever buy.  He obviously doesn't believe them, and Paige, who used to complain about things like that and the laundry room has suddenly clammed up, or covered for them, as she did with Stan when Epcot was cancelled.  I'm sure he's noticed.

So, I'm thinking Henry knows.  At the very least he knows that none of this is normal.  There could be other explanations of course.  He may only know parts, and those parts could have led him to an incorrect "answer."  The whole besties with Stan thing, while a tad curious?  I don't think plays into this, although?  It could.  So could his lack of other friends, which Elizabeth commented on recently.  "What happened to Doug, and ----, doesn't he have any other friends anymore?"

Edited March 23, 2017 by Umbelina
added reason # 6

[RedHawk]

I'm with you SisterMagpie and Umbelina. I agree that Henry has been listening, watching, and figuring some things out. We don't know how much. We do know, as noted above, that the writers have inserted dialogue to show us that Henry is not just the "useless little brother" and likely has a major role in the making.

I joked many months ago about how he's scoped out all the hiding places in the house and taught himself Russian from listening to the tapes of Elizabeth's mother!

Edited March 23, 2017 by RedHawk

[sistermagpie]

8 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Why ask that specific question?  I mean, I can understand that question, it's not all that strange, but does he know Paige is a blabbermouth that told some secret of his parent's?  Just musing...

I agree that the show has signaled that Henry notices stuff and has noticed specifically his parents rushing off after Paige as if something's going on--exactly how Paige described her suspicions when she started to become aware, that she always felt like there was "something going on" that she didn't know about. After the mugging it was even more pointed. Henry had to ask for confirmation that Paige and Elizabeth did not get mugged, because everybody was asking like something had happened, not that something had almost happened. He didn't buy it--and he was right. He correctly read what was going on.

But for him to actually know that his parents are Russian spies etc. would make his reaction totally unrealistic, imo. This information is a deep emotional blow. If it comes by accident, or if the kid finds out and lives with the knowledge while his parents continue to lie, it's so terrible as to make him emotionally disturbed. It's not something a character can be aware of and just not show any sign of it. He can't just be knowing off-screen for a gotcha to his parents. It would undercut the seriousness of this kind of secret. This isn't Elizabeth smoking in the garage and the kids know about it. It would eat up Henry's emotional life just like it has Paige, and there's no indication that's happening. 

I think he asks Paige if she told on him about the hitchhiker because Henry understands how it would change peoples' perception of him if that violence was known. It's exactly his thinking when he gets caught at the neighbors' house. Iow, it emphasizes how him having this kind of knowledge about his parents would change them in his eyes. He's afraid of them seeing him differently.

I think he also doesn't trust her to keep secrets because really, why would he? She's far too focused on being the mature one and the good one to trust with that sort of thing, imo. Even before she spilled the beans to Pastor Tim she was telling him all about any little thing she'd noticed about her parents that might be bad.  

There was another scene where Philip was showing Paige pictures of their camping trip to remind her that their whole lives weren't a lie. Paige informed Philip that Henry was afraid of bears. Philip said he hadn't known that and Paige said Henry had made her promise not to tell. And she'd just told. Which Philip seemed to take in. She probably just didn't think it mattered anymore, but her line about promising not to tell fell with a thud. Paige also kept Henry's secret about the Mrs. Beeman pictures, but he also didn't actually confide in her about them, he claimed the picture wasn't his and I guess just had to hope she bought it even though she didn't really. So Paige does have a basic respect for Henry's secrets--she doesn't just humiliate him by telling her parents or whoever embarrassing things about him to make herself look older. But I think Henry would still get that he does not have a partner-in-crime sister.

Henry's pretty naturally secretive and untrusting of people, I think. Note that when people try to pump him for information about others he really doesn't respond to it. Once Philip tried to ask him casually about anything Paige might have said about Pastor Tim and he said, "Why are you asking?" When Stan asked for more details about where his parents had disappeared to overnight he said he didn't remember the details like it wasn't important. (I don't think he was lying about not remembering the details, but it's not like he tried to remember them because he wanted to give Stan the right answer.)

So yeah, I think Henry's absolutely at the age where, like Paige, he's started to notice that there's always something going on he's not aware of. In his case it's probably more intense because it's caused a whole shift in the dynamics of the house with Paige whispering with the parents. And where it's at least somewhat normal for parents to be a unit the kids are outside, it's not normal for the one kid to be on their side of the line. We've seen that when Henry becomes interested in something he asks questions. He seems to share his parents' habit of creating other lives/identities for himself. But I think that's also a bit like Paige's activism--she doesn't know that she's mirroring her parents because the people she sees are not like that. Just as I don't think the parents Henry sees are unusual enough to be Russian spies. 

Regarding Henry's friends, I think part of that was about them wondering about his preferring to hang out with Stan and Matthew. Like why doesn't he hang out with Doug any more instead of the divorced guy across the street? But then, the same thing happened to Paige. Remember Elizabeth's hilarious reaction to her wanting Pastor Tim at her birthday dinner and that's it? She said, "Does she not have any friends her own age?" 

With Henry I would not be the least bit surprised if he actually does have friends more his own age, maybe has fallen in with a new group this season and is hanging out with them and just not telling anybody at home about it. All the while having no idea that his parents, too, have secret friends, secret places they go, other identities they try out. 

[Umbelina]

We'll see.

I hope THIS season! ;)

I think the only reason Paige didn't tell about the hitchhiking incident (did he kill that guy or just wound him?) is because she's protecting herself.  She's the one that put them in that situation, Henry tried and tried to talk her out of both hitchhiking AND getting in that guys' car.

[RedHawk]

I don't think Henry knows (yet) that they are Russian spies and didn't mean to write something that implied that. He hasn't been in the house for the conversations that would have verified that, but he's been in a position to overhear certain talk and arguments that he might be trying to piece together. Maybe part of his friendship with Stan was also trying to figure out if his dad's friendship with Stan was because they just happened to be neighbors or perhaps also because they worked in similar industries. A couple of my DC friends had parents who worked for the NSA and could not talk at all about their jobs, made secretive trips on short notice, etc. Henry may think his parents work (covertly) for a U.S. government agency simply because some of his friends' parents (likely fathers) actually do. There's an FBI agent living across the street, for example.

It does seem like we're being set up for him to know more than he appears to and that's what excites me about his possible upcoming story line. How much does he know? What does he think has been going on? 

I disagree that it would be emotionally disturbing for him to think they are Russian spies. He's 14 I think. As some have said, have these kids never seen a James Bond movie or any of the spy dramas popular in those days? I honestly think a boy like Henry might think it was "cool" and fascinating that his parents were spies. Henry, unlike Paige, might not be thinking about treason and murder but all the cool stuff like sneaking around in disguise and finding out secrets. Even if he found out for sure they were Russian spies and their entire background was fabricated, I'm not sure he'd wilt like Paige has. He's made of sturdier stuff. (Sorry, hard for me to hide that I'm not a Paige fan.)
 

Edited March 23, 2017 by RedHawk
Edited to specify Russian spies

[Umbelina]

I kind of always go back to "kids always know."  Parents keeping secrets, even if they are as well trained and adept at it as Philip and Elizabeth, just doesn't work all that often.  In addition, Paige walking around constantly looking stressed and constipated, and talking ALONE with her parents SO much more often would, ahem, raise his eyebrows a bit as well.  He would HAVE to sense that something was up, but add in all the other stuff, like super loud spy and Russian talk? 

[sistermagpie]

12 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

I think the only reason Paige didn't tell about the hitchhiking incident (did he kill that guy or just wound him?) is because she's protecting herself.  She's the one that put them in that situation, Henry tried and tried to talk her out of both hitchhiking AND getting in that guys' car.

I think we can definitely assume he just wounded him since the guy was still standing and yelling when they ran away. Henry, at least, last saw him alive.

But I also totally agree on why Paige didn't tell. It's actually a really interesting incident when you look back on it, given Paige's personality. Because she herself doesn't seem bothered by this particular incident at all. We see her a lot and there's never been the slightest hint that this was that traumatic for her or that it's something that haunts her.

But for Henry, even right after it happened, it was clear that he was the one who carried the emotional weight of it because he was the one who hurt someone. It's nice that she says he was brave, but the reason he maybe doesn't feel brave isn't just that he peed his pants, but that he doesn't feel good about that moment of violence. This is exactly the kind of savagery (for lack of a better word) that Elizabeth is currently trying to teach Paige, so she doesn't have it now. If she was teaching this to Henry, he would get it--and get that it's not necessarily something he likes about himself. 

So yeah, Paige got them into trouble, Henry got them out. Paige seemed mostly untouched by the incident, Henry maybe isn't. Paige would not want to bring it up because she looked stupid, but looking stupid is very different than looking violent.

And of course we now know that's another parallel to Philip who experienced a more extreme version of this as a kid and has also been haunted by it. Plus, even more relevant to stuff now, Henry already has a part of himself that he feels like he has to hide.

3 minutes ago, RedHawk said:

Maybe part of his friendship with Stan was also trying to figure out if his dad's friendship with Stan was because they just happened to be neighbors or perhaps also because they worked in similar industries.

You think? It would make sense, but it doesn't seem like Henry shows that much interest in Stan's job or his friendship with Philip. Not that I couldn't believe that Henry would gather info on that without making it too obvious! I lean towards thinking part of his interest in Stan was that his parents seem boring to him because they aren't in as interesting a field.

5 minutes ago, RedHawk said:

I disagree that it would be emotionally disturbing for him to think they are Russian spies. He's 14 I think.

I do agree that he's different from Paige and I don't think he'd react exactly the way she has. He seems like he's got a lot more tools to deal with the practical aspects of it. But I still think it has to be a huge thing to find out your American travel agent parents are actually KGB agents. He'd react to that very differently watching it in a movie than he would in real life. It's totally destabilizing. In some cases it can be a relief, if it explains stuff that's always seemed off, but I don't think this is one of those cases. I don't think either kid would beforehand think that whatever was going on would touch on them this deeply.

Also I think there's good reason to think that Henry  thinks his parents are American travel agents with no suspicion whatsoever that they're involved in any kind of espionage. The people he's loved his whole life are that, not a couple of spies, American or Russian. It's not like he's ever given any indication that he was testing out this kind of suspicion about them. The only thing we've definitely see him acknowledge is a) that his dad (and often both his parents) work too much and sometimes at the last minute, b) that his parents have a new, seemingly intense relationship with Paige that seems to leave him out and c) he feels like they're not telling him something about that mugging story. Those are things we know, concretely, he thinks.

I mean, Henry has a lot of information to make him think his parents are regular American travel agents. That doesn't just get swept aside because he overheard whatever words like "Russia" spoken loud enough for him to hear in certain conversations. There are times where Henry has heard something interesting in conversation that sparks his interest and he often just says so. Why wouldn't he ask for clarification if he heard something weird?

[Sarah 103]

3 hours ago, qtpye said:

Hell, has she never caught an old episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle?  Her parents are Boris and Natasha (though Phil is hotter then Boris).

And Elizabeth is way hotter than Natasha. 

2 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

I had hoped, when it looked like the FBI would be chasing the unknown Illegals they almost got at the end of s1, that all the agents would refer to them as Boris and Natasha. I mean, they kind of have to, don't they? 

Yes! Most of the FBI agents would have been about the right age to have seen Rocky and Bullwinkle in first run. Some of the older agents may have watched it with younger siblings or other younger relatives. 

48 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

With Henry I would not be the least bit surprised if he actually does have friends more his own age, maybe has fallen in with a new group this season and is hanging out with them and just not telling anybody at home about it. All the while having no idea that his parents, too, have secret friends, secret places they go, other identities they try out. 

I really like this idea. It's even better if he's told them sort of lie so they think he's someone else. Maybe they go to a different school so it's possible for him to convince them he's a year or two older than he actually is. 

24 minutes ago, RedHawk said:

I disagree that it would be emotionally disturbing for him to think they are Russian spies. He's 14 I think. As some have said, have these kids never seen a James Bond movie or any of the spy dramas popular in those days? I honestly think a boy like Henry might think it was "cool" and fascinating that his parents were spies. Henry, unlike Paige, might not be thinking about treason and murder but all the cool stuff like sneaking around in disguise and finding out secrets. Even if he found out for sure they were Russian spies and their entire background was fabricated, I'm not sure he'd wilt like Paige has. He's made of sturdier stuff. (Sorry, hard for me to hide that I'm not a Paige fan.)

Not to mention the gadgets/technology. If he likes computers and video games, that part of it might appeal to him. 

[Umbelina]

Henry practically rolls his eyes now in scenes where either parent is giving some lame excuse for all the midnight visits and two day visits to the damn travel agency.   Also, Paige, who used to complain to him constantly about the weirdness of the parents, has clammed up, and is even covering for them now, as she did with Stan after Epcot was cancelled.  I'm adding that to the earlier list I made.  ;)

I'll agree he may not KNOW, but he damn sure isn't believing that travel agents put in those kind of weird hours, or that the travel agency required dad to be gone the same two overnights every single week.  He knows they are lying.

@RedHawk

Great point about where they live and the abundance of spies and other secret goings on in that area.  He could easily believe they are spies for the USA of some kind, or working on secret USA projects, and that his weird sister is afraid and strange because she can't handle the danger aspect, where he can.  However, I'm still leaning far more to the side that says he's heard RUSSIANS! and SPIES! from either Paige or the Pastor's wife very loud voices.  That house isn't that well soundproofed. 

Edited March 23, 2017 by Umbelina

[sistermagpie]

8 minutes ago, Sarah 103 said:

I really like this idea. It's even better if he's told them sort of lie so they think he's someone else. Maybe they go to a different school so it's possible for him to convince them he's a year or two older than he actually is. 

38 minutes ago, RedHawk said:

Or ten years older than he really is, since he's a giant now. 

[Sarah 103]

Just now, sistermagpie said:

Or ten years older than he really is, since he's a giant now. 

I know you're kidding, but realistically I don't think Henry could pass for 24 (unless he claims he's a really young 24), but if he's 14 or 15, he could easily pass for 17 or 18. That would mean someone who's in 8th grade (do we know what grade he's in?) could be spending time with high school students who are multiple grades ahead of him, and in some places that's a really big deal. At his own school, the seniors may barely give him the time of day, but with his other friends he's one of the guys and they treat him as a peer.  

13 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

He could easily believe they are spies for the USA of some kind, or working on secret USA projects, and that his weird sister is afraid and strange because she can't handle the danger aspect, where he can.  However, I'm still leaning far more to the side that says he's heard RUSSIANS! and SPIES! from either Paige or the Pastor's wife very loud voices.  That house isn't that well soundproofed. 

He's heard the words "Russians" and "Spies" but maybe he doesn't know which side they are on. He suspects something is up, but maybe he has it wrong. What if he thinks that his parents are secretly working for the FBI? or some other government agency. He probably knows or thinks that Stan is mostly working at a desk. Maybe Henry thinks that his parents are the ones in the field looking for Russian/Soviet spies, as opposed to his parents being Russian/Soviet spies. 

[sistermagpie]

1 minute ago, Sarah 103 said:

I know you're kidding, but realistically I don't think Henry could pass for 24 (unless he claims he's a really young 24), but if he's 14 or 15, he could easily pass for 17 or 18.

I agree. And that's a completely believable thing for a kid his age to do. Not only that, but it would be in character. Henry spent the last season preferring to hang out with a grown man, asking him about sex and old movies he missed. Matthew said Stan preferred hanging out with "little kids" and I think he may have been right, but Henry himself was possibly more interested in adult stuff. He also seemed to want to hang out with Matthew as a peer.

Everything we've seen about Henry--his sneakiness, his deception, his secrets, his interest in the adult world--would perfectly fit a kid convincing teenagers from another school that he was in high school. 

[Sarah 103]

23 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

Henry himself was possibly more interested in adult stuff. He also seemed to want to hang out with Matthew as a peer.

Everything we've seen about Henry--his sneakiness, his deception, his secrets, his interest in the adult world--would perfectly fit a kid convincing teenagers from another school that he was in high school. 

This is beyond briliant! In elementary school I didn't get along that well with the kids in my grade, but I did get along well with the kids a few grades ahead of me. I went to a small private school, so this kind of thing wasn't really a big deal. I could totally see Henry being in a similiar position in late middle school/early high school, but running up against a wall of upper classman not wanting to hang out with a someone who's still in middle school. Henry wanted to be Matthew's friend, but Matthew didn't see him that way because of the massive age difference, (or at least it seems massive at that point) and instead sees Henry as the younger brother he never had. 

[sistermagpie]

3 hours ago, Sarah 103 said:

This is beyond briliant! In elementary school I didn't get along that well with the kids in my grade, but I did get along well with the kids a few grades ahead of me.

Now I'm imagining the fanfic where Jim and Kimmie go to a bar and Jim recognizes Henry there. Awkward!

3 hours ago, Sarah 103 said:

Henry wanted to be Matthew's friend, but Matthew didn't see him that way because of the massive age difference, (or at least it seems massive at that point) and instead sees Henry as the younger brother he never had. 

Or possible never wanted either. :-/

 

4 hours ago, Sarah 103 said:

He's heard the words "Russians" and "Spies" but maybe he doesn't know which side they are on.

Well, we actually don't know at all that he's heard any of these words spoken in his house.

[scrb]

Too tall to portray the kid brother?

Or the writers just ran out of ideas for him?

Why don't they pretend he went away to military school or something?

[sistermagpie]

20 minutes ago, scrb said:

 

Too tall to portray the kid brother?

Or the writers just ran out of ideas for him?

Why don't they pretend he went away to military school or something?

 

I think they definitely have an idea for him. The whole "Where's Henry? Gee, I don't know. He said he was at the library, and I know he's lying about that..." is like a countdown to the Henry story imo. 

[kokapetl]

Henry's at Doug's house. 

[methodwriter85]

Keidrich Sellati has to be about 16 or 17 now, and man does he look it. I laughed my ass off when I saw he was still supposed to be in middle school. I guess he got held back a grade or two! LOL.

It's hilarious the way the show is trying to hide that Henry is like 6 feet tall now. I'm glad he finally got rid of his bowl cut and is sporting a neat, preppy haircut now.

[sistermagpie]

45 minutes ago, methodwriter85 said:

Keidrich Sellati has to be about 16 or 17 now, and man does he look it. I laughed my ass off when I saw he was still supposed to be in middle school. I guess he got held back a grade or two! LOL.

Looks like he's 15, so probably two years older than Henry is supposed to be now. Same as Holly Taylor, I guess? But it doesn't show as much on her.

[Umbelina]

Yeah, the actor is 15 until October, but all the bios still list him at 5'5" tall.  Holly is 5'2" and she's 19, Keri is 5'4" and Rhys is 5'11."