RHoP In The Media: What's Going Down in the DMV

[drivethroo]

1 hour ago, amarante said:

but the woman was beyond drunk - she was lapsing into incoherence and I don't understand where she was and how anyone let her leave in that condition. She wasn't fit to walk down the street let alone drive. 

That's why I want to know where she really was and who was she really with. The cousin she was on the phone with testified as to her state of mind ---where was the friend she allegedly went out to dinner with?

1 hour ago, amarante said:

Her lawyer has to be an incompetent to have allowed her to go to trial.

The lawyer wasn't incompetent, the lawyer has probably done this before for Karen: 

• 1) Refuse to take the breathalyzer/BAC tests
• 2) Get that bodycam footage struck

Without the bodycam footage and the blood alcohol tests, the state of Maryland had no case.  The most they could've gotten her for was reckless driving.

Sadly for Karen, that bodycam footage was not struck.  At that point, her lawyer should have told her to take the plea.  IMO Karen insisted on going to trial because she felt she was above the law.  Remember, she told the cops if they Googled her they'd be ashamed of arresting her, asked the cops if they knew who she was and told that one cop she was the Grande Dame.

This isn't Karen's first rodeo with DUI or being in a state of sloppy drunkenness.  This makes me mad for Ray because she's been claiming he's not there for her and said on the other episode she had the accident because she was in distress over her marital problems with Ray.

But who came immediately to the scene to help her out of yet another drunken jam? Ray.

 

 

[dancingdreamer]

I had no idea Karen was that drunk, none. Watching  a few videos,  I don't  know how she was driving, she needs rehab. 

[drivethroo]

Karen better check into rehab and have an alcoholism redemption story if she wants to save her job.

Season 10 casting predictions:

Karen, Mia, Jacqueline, Jassi & Keiarna will be out.

Robyn and Charisse will be brought back.

Here's the full bodycam video from Fox5DC.

Edited December 20 by drivethroo

[tvfanatic13]

Those videos. Oy vey! How did she think she was going to get acquitted? She was ossified! 

[Salacious Kitty]

That was Shannon Beador levels of wasted.

Do you know who I am? Karen really thinks she's the Grande Dame. 

[KristenR]

6 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Bravo might not ask her back- she might get a prison sentence like Jen Shah from the Salt Lake City HWs, and the Giudices from the NJ HWs anyway.

Really? Because I think she might get a raise and a special Andy interview episode.

Edited December 20 by KristenR
Double quote.

[NowVoyager]

 

 

🤭🤭🤭

Edited December 20 by NowVoyager

[Crazydoxielady]

There’s so much that’s hideous about her actions, but the way she doubles down all season saying the truth will come out and that she couldn’t talk about it but alluding to justice will prevail… absolutely reprehensible and repulsive. Had she owned her poor decision and pled guilty I’d have a tiny bit of space for her. Unfortunately she chose to go the other way. Beyond F’d up.

[Keywestclubkid]

what are the betting odds that Karen skips this reunion totally this year?

[Keywestclubkid]

1 hour ago, Crazydoxielady said:

There’s so much that’s hideous about her actions, but the way she doubles down all season saying the truth will come out and that she couldn’t talk about it but alluding to justice will prevail… F’d up.

and justice did pervail .. just not in the way she thought .. the gross part is that they want to appeal it now ... which i get is her right but come on ... she was drunk

[pasdetrois]

If bravo can get views and money out of this trash heap, they'll keep Karen. 

Was she mixing Xanax with booze? Sure looked like it.

Karen may be the most delusional of all the housewives, and that's saying something. 

I wonder if Maryland puts body cam footage on YouTube like other law enforcement. One can hope.

I suspect Karen demanded a jury trial, and that Ray is paying the legal bills. Karen has cost him a lot of money.

Despite it all, Karen delivered: that shifty wig and Jefferson's concubine made me howl. (And as always, my fellow posters are the hilarious Greek chorus.)

ETA: the charge for failure to update her personal address is curious. Forgetfulness or more evidence of denying where she really lives?

Edited December 20 by pasdetrois

[amarante]

2 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

what are the betting odds that Karen skips this reunion totally this year?

Interesting since it could go either way.

They make a lot of money for the Reunion as they are paid a "bonus" for showing up to ensure that they do show up.

Not showing up really pisses off production. 

She can show up and be well prepped to keep saying that she is unable to discuss because here are still sentencing and legal issues. I believe Teresa followed this advice and did show up for all the reunions. 

[pasdetrois]

Speaking of money, a labor board ruled that reality tv participants are employees and afforded protections. This could mean big changes for the housewives.

[qtpye]

2 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

Speaking of money, a labor board ruled that reality tv participants are employees and afforded protections. This could mean big changes for the housewives.

Holy crap...

This might end Bravo as we know it, which is not necessarily bad.

[amarante]

2 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

Speaking of money, a labor board ruled that reality tv participants are employees and afforded protections. This could mean big changes for the housewives.

I would like to see the specific ruling in terms of what they mean by employee. 

Most actors have Personal Service Corporations in which their personal services are provided by their corporation which pays the actor. 

Do they mean they are W2 instead of 1099?

Are labor laws applicable? 

 

[drivethroo]

8 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

what are the betting odds that Karen skips this reunion totally this year?

The only acceptable way she could skip the reunion and keep her job is she goes straight to rehab OR if somewhere in her conviction she can't leave Maryland.

But the reunion is allegedly supposed to film on January 9 and she gets sentenced on January 29 so I doubt she will be going to rehab ahead of her sentencing.

If she doesn't show up, then her employment at BRAVO needs to be over. There are plenty of other drunks on this show past and present they can highlight.

7 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

I wonder if Maryland puts body cam footage on YouTube like other law enforcement. One can hope.

The state of Maryland gave Karen's bodycam video to Fox5DC minutes after she was found guilty. It's on their YouTube channel.

7 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

ETA: the charge for failure to update her personal address is curious. Forgetfulness or more evidence of denying where she really lives?

Karen's had at least 3 address changes while being on this show. I'm wondering if she still had the Virginia driver's license and never changed it from that.  Remember, Ray was digging around in Karen's purse searching high and low for her driver's license, then offered his driver's license to the cops. Ray knew Karen's license was out of order.

5 hours ago, amarante said:

She can show up and be well prepped to keep saying that she is unable to discuss because here are still sentencing and legal issues. I believe Teresa followed this advice and did show up for all the reunions. 

That's not going to fly for Karen because we've all seen the bodycam footage. Her calling the cop poor and white, evoking Andy Cohen's name and saying she was Thomas Jefferson's concubine has nothing to do with sentencing.

1 hour ago, amarante said:

I would like to see the specific ruling in terms of what they mean by employee. 

I'd want to know employees of who? The network or the production company?

 

Edited December 20 by drivethroo

[heatherchandler]

On 12/11/2024 at 6:29 PM, ZettaK said:

She asked (her attorney) for a dismissal of the whole case in July, and for the dismissal of the witness' testimony (the security guard who called 911) in September. She asked for the body cam footage, and her statements to the police not to be allowed in her trial a few days ago. Her trial was postponed again because of her latest motion. 

And now we know why!!

 

On 12/19/2024 at 1:46 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

Where is blue eyes her driver? lol 

Dead :(  I think suicide.

 

21 hours ago, drivethroo said:

 

This isn't Karen's first rodeo with DUI or being in a state of sloppy drunkenness.  This makes me mad for Ray because she's been claiming he's not there for her and said on the other episode she had the accident because she was in distress over her marital problems with Ray.

She’s had prior DUIs??

 

 

[twilightzone]

21 hours ago, drivethroo said:

Karen better check into rehab and have an alcoholism redemption story if she wants to save her job.

Season 10 casting predictions:

Karen, Mia, Jacqueline, Jassi & Keiarna will be out.

Robyn and Charisse will be brought back.

Here's the full bodycam video from Fox5DC.

BRAVO needs to do the right thing - and fire Karen. She's been defiant about what happened and hasn't shown any genuine remorse.  Viewers don't want to see a rehab, redemption storyline.  There's no reason why they would bring Robyn back.  She was fired for trying to hide the allegations around Juan.

[drivethroo]

2 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

Dead :(  I think suicide.

Matt was her assistant who just killed himself but he wasn't Blue Eyes.

2 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

She’s had prior DUIs??

This is her second official DUI conviction but I heard the others were reduced down to reckless driving. Karen can appeal if she wants to but we can't unsee that bodycam footage.

2 hours ago, twilightzone said:

BRAVO needs to do the right thing - and fire Karen. She's been defiant about what happened and hasn't shown any genuine remorse.  Viewers don't want to see a rehab, redemption storyline.

Viewers like Karen and they would be interested in a rehab/redemption story from her.

However, if she continues to hide her life, she can sit on the unemployment line with Robyn.

2 hours ago, twilightzone said:

There's no reason why they would bring Robyn back.  She was fired for trying to hide the allegations around Juan.

Robyn was fired because Mia gave the storyline Robyn was supposed to give in Season 8. Juan refusing to show up to the reunion was the last straw.

However, I think the network likes Robyn and I think they may ask her to come back next season as a friend of the show (or Charrisse). That way she won't have to talk about Juan.

There's a good chance Karen won't be back next season because she'll either be in jail, rehab or Ray will make her come off this show and move to Florida permanently. BRAVO is going to have to plan for RHOP without Karen. I don't think Karen will be on a "do not rehire" status like Candiace and Katie, though.

 

 

[qtpye]

3 hours ago, drivethroo said:

However, I think the network likes Robyn and I think they may ask her to come back next season as a friend of the show (or Charrisse). That way she won't have to talk about Juan.

The network probably likes Robyn because she will work cheaply, particularly since Juan will not be earning any income anytime soon.

I remember Teresa got $1 million (allegedly) for the season where she and Joe had their sentencing.

I hope Karen does not try to play this for a big payday.

That being said, this show will officially be over If Karen is not in the cast.

She is one of the last of the authentically cuckoo howives.

[Baltimore Betty]

19 hours ago, qtpye said:

That being said, this show will officially be over If Karen is not in the cast.

Sentencing is January 29, her fate will be sealed, she may not be a HW after that, just a Grand Dame Inmate.

[Salacious Kitty]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Sentencing is January 29, her fate will be sealed, she may not be a HW after that, just a Grand Dame Inmate.

She's appealing. I assume that will stay her sentencing. 

[Lois Sandborne]

On 12/19/2024 at 2:31 PM, amarante said:

Her lawyer has to be an incompetent to have allowed her to go to trial.

Just speaking as an attorney on this. Once we take a case, we have to abide by what a client wants. A lawyer can strongly urge a client toward different courses of action, but if they say "I want to go to court," you have to go, or withdraw as their attorney. And withdrawal is its own process. It's not automatic; a court may not allow you to withdraw in some circumstances, even when there's a disagreement.

All that to say, her lawyers may have done their best. Now, they could easily also be charlatans. I read something about a plan to appeal, so they could very well be in it together to waste public time and money. But maybe they tried.

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She's appealing. I assume that will stay her sentencing.

She can't file an appeal until after any sentencing is issued.

Edited Sunday at 03:02 PM by Lois Sandborne

[Baltimore Betty]

@Lois SandborneI love The Philadelphia Story!! 

If you read thru the website of Karen's attorney you won't find DUI as one of the types of law he practices, maybe it does not make a difference but around where I live there are a few go to attorneys to hit up if you get a DUI, I'd figure Karen would have gone for someone who is known for that skill.

 

[drivethroo]

4 hours ago, Lois Sandborne said:

Once we take a case, we have to abide by what a client wants. A lawyer can strongly urge a client toward different courses of action, but if they say "I want to go to court," you have to go, or withdraw as their attorney.

I would bet both the attorney and Ray advised Karen to plea and she decided to fight it because she knew if there was no bodycam footage admitted and the state didn't have medical proof of her drunkenness, they had no case besides reckless driving. 

Unless she is prepared to divorce Ray, this may be the last we will see of Karen because I can see him demanding she come up off this show and move to Florida and seek treatment for her issues.  But she's not going to divorce him because Karen is very image conscious and kicking old old Ray to the curb while she runs the streets is not a good look.

Karen married Ray to have a soft life and now the payment has come due and Karen doesn't want to pay.  Karen was said to have been a drunk before either of her parents passed away so their deaths is not the reason she's struggling with booze.  Karen is probably facing the fact she will be caretaking Ray sooner than later and she wants to be out in those streets, not sitting at home babysitting an old man. She's not built for that caretaking life*, otherwise she would've moved her parents up to Potomac and had home health care looking after them instead of leaving them in Virginia for her sister to take care of.

 

*This is no shade to Karen because most people are not built for that caretaking life. It's hard, it's tough and it's a sacrifice most people aren't willing (or able) to make.

[Chatty Cake]

I just watched the body cam footage. Holy smokes that woman was DRUNK. Was there nobody to try and stop her from driving? Ray should have told her to stay quiet. Not that she would have listened.

[Baltimore Betty]

 

I just watched the body cam footage. Holy smokes that woman was DRUNK. Was there nobody to try and stop her from driving? Ray should have told her to stay quiet. Not that she would have listened.

Her wig was a mess too, it was sliding off the back of her head!

How did the policeman question Karen with Ray there feeding her lines. 

She told the policeman that she was, lit, she was Thomas Jefferson's concubine, that she was sexy as hell, that bodycam footage is amazing.

 

 

[Chatty Cake]

 

Her wig was a mess too, it was sliding off the back of her head!

How did the policeman question Karen with Ray there feeding her lines. 

She told the policeman that she was, lit, she was Thomas Jefferson's concubine, that she was sexy as hell, that bodycam footage is amazing.

 

 

I thought she might pass out at one point but she just kept going. Like the officer said she was hammered. I expected her to be tipsy and a little sloppy but she was much worse.

[Salacious Kitty]

I haven't seen anyone that drunk in a loooong time. And they were much younger people. Being that hammered at 61 indicates a problem with alcohol. 

I imagine this is the condition Shannon Beador was in when she crashed her car. 

[amarante]

Has Karen issued any kind of public statement yet.

I haven't heard anything from any of the other housewives but in there situation there really is nothing they can say that would be appropriate.

I am surprised that some kind of crisis PR team hasn't at least attempted some form of damage control. 

[ZettaK]

On 12/23/2024 at 1:16 PM, Salacious Kitty said:

I haven't seen anyone that drunk in a loooong time. And they were much younger people. Being that hammered at 61 indicates a problem with alcohol. 

I imagine this is the condition Shannon Beador was in when she crashed her car. 

Shannon Beador was over 3 times drunk the legal limit in California. She was not incapacitated (the first police report mentioned she went out of her crashed car, and she pretended to walk her dog which was in her car!), and the reason she was not is because she is (unfortunately) an alcoholic, it doesn't matter if she doesn't want to admit it- even her good friend Jeff Lewis said so. She had a good lawyer, and she followed his advice to get a deal with the DA's office. We didn't see any cop body camera videos, which I'm sure they exist, and were not flattering to say the least. 

Edited 5 hours ago by ZettaK

[Salacious Kitty]

I read that body am footage cannot be publicly released in CA. 

But I imagine that it's comparable to Karen's. 

[Keywestclubkid]

9 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Shannon Beador was drunk over 3 times the legal limit in California. She was not incapacitated (the first police report mentioned she went out of her crashed car, and she pretended to walk her dog which was in her car!), and the reason she was not is because she is (unfortunately) an alcoholic, it doesn't matter if she doesn't want to admit it- even her good friend Jeff Lewis said so. She had a good lawyer, and she followed his advice to get a deal with the DA's office. We didn't see any cop body camera videos, which I'm sure they exist, and were not flattering to say the least. 

Cali doesn't release them ... different states have different laws regarding releasing that kind of stuff .. like i said before Shannon was very lucky she was in a state that didn't release cause had they I'm 100% positive her version of the story she told like Karen didn't match and why Shannon freaked when she heard that Jon had ring footage and suddenly wanted to give him all his money back to not release it

Edited Wednesday at 02:12 PM by Keywestclubkid

[Chatty Cake]

Ashley and her boys.

[ZettaK]

On 12/24/2024 at 12:07 PM, amarante said:

Has Karen issued any kind of public statement yet.

I haven't heard anything from any of the other housewives but in there situation there really is nothing they can say that would be appropriate.

I am surprised that some kind of crisis PR team hasn't at least attempted some form of damage control. 

Her attorney issued a public statement. I don't see any remorse, and she still wants to pursue justice....

“Although we are disappointed in the jury’s verdict, we, of course, respect their decision and appreciate their time hearing our case,” he told People Magazine.

“We continue to reserve Mrs. Huger’s right to an appeal and intend to fully pursue justice on her behalf,” he continued. “We appreciate your support and prayers for Mrs. Huger and her family at this time.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thegrio.com/2024/12/19/karen-huger-is-disappointed-following-guilty-verdict-in-dui-charge-bodycam-footage-of-her-arrest-made-public/amp/

Edited 5 hours ago by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

On 12/22/2024 at 1:08 PM, drivethroo said:

I would bet both the attorney and Ray advised Karen to plea and she decided to fight it because she knew if there was no bodycam footage admitted and the state didn't have medical proof of her drunkenness, they had no case besides reckless driving. 

Unless she is prepared to divorce Ray, this may be the last we will see of Karen because I can see him demanding she come up off this show and move to Florida and seek treatment for her issues.  But she's not going to divorce him because Karen is very image conscious and kicking old old Ray to the curb while she runs the streets is not a good look.

Karen married Ray to have a soft life and now the payment has come due and Karen doesn't want to pay.  Karen was said to have been a drunk before either of her parents passed away so their deaths is not the reason she's struggling with booze.  Karen is probably facing the fact she will be caretaking Ray sooner than later and she wants to be out in those streets, not sitting at home babysitting an old man. She's not built for that caretaking life*, otherwise she would've moved her parents up to Potomac and had home health care looking after them instead of leaving them in Virginia for her sister to take care of.

 

*This is no shade to Karen because most people are not built for that caretaking life. It's hard, it's tough and it's a sacrifice most people aren't willing (or able) to make.

I agree that Karen's attorney and Ray advised her to accept a plea, but she refused. She seems to be strong willed, and she (her attorney) tried to have all evidence thrown out. 

[amarante]

27 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

Her attorney issued a public statement. I don't see any remorse, and she still wants to pursue justice....

“Although we are disappointed in the jury’s verdict, we, of course, respect their decision and appreciate their time hearing our case,” he told People Magazine.

“We continue to reserve Mrs. Huger’s right to an appeal and intend to fully pursue justice on her behalf,” he continued. “We appreciate your support and prayers for Mrs. Huger and her family at this time.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thegrio.com/2024/12/19/karen-huger-is-disappointed-following-guilty-verdict-in-dui-charge-bodycam-footage-of-her-arrest-made-public/amp/

This is not damage control as this is the statement made by an attorney whose client is still pursuing other "options".

At this point Karen would be preparing for the sentencing portion and/or pursuing some form of agreement.

However I think she will do some time because the purpose of accepting public service and a stint in rehab is a carrot that is held out to avoid the expense of trial and the burden on the court system which wants to utilize limited resources in which there is actually some reasonable doubt. 

At this point they need to make the punishment worse than if she had accepted a plea deal.

The hubris of the Grande Dame. 

[ZettaK]

On 12/22/2024 at 7:48 AM, Lois Sandborne said:

Just speaking as an attorney on this. Once we take a case, we have to abide by what a client wants. A lawyer can strongly urge a client toward different courses of action, but if they say "I want to go to court," you have to go, or withdraw as their attorney. And withdrawal is its own process. It's not automatic; a court may not allow you to withdraw in some circumstances, even when there's a disagreement.

All that to say, her lawyers may have done their best. Now, they could easily also be charlatans. I read something about a plan to appeal, so they could very well be in it together to waste public time and money. But maybe they tried.

She can't file an appeal until after any sentencing is issued.

Sentencing will take place on January 29th, 2025.

[amarante]

On 12/22/2024 at 12:08 PM, drivethroo said:

I would bet both the attorney and Ray advised Karen to plea and she decided to fight it because she knew if there was no bodycam footage admitted and the state didn't have medical proof of her drunkenness, they had no case besides reckless driving. 

Unless she is prepared to divorce Ray, this may be the last we will see of Karen because I can see him demanding she come up off this show and move to Florida and seek treatment for her issues.  But she's not going to divorce him because Karen is very image conscious and kicking old old Ray to the curb while she runs the streets is not a good look.

Karen married Ray to have a soft life and now the payment has come due and Karen doesn't want to pay.  Karen was said to have been a drunk before either of her parents passed away so their deaths is not the reason she's struggling with booze.  Karen is probably facing the fact she will be caretaking Ray sooner than later and she wants to be out in those streets, not sitting at home babysitting an old man. She's not built for that caretaking life*, otherwise she would've moved her parents up to Potomac and had home health care looking after them instead of leaving them in Virginia for her sister to take care of.

 

*This is no shade to Karen because most people are not built for that caretaking life. It's hard, it's tough and it's a sacrifice most people aren't willing (or able) to make.

Absolute shade and worse to Karen because Ray doesn't need the level of "caretaking" that requires 24/7 intensive care. He doesn't have Alzheimer nor is he immobilized with his diaper being changed.

Not moving parents to live with her - or any other child is quite a bit different. Nothing indicated that her parents weren't fairly independent and they had a life down there with family and a support system. My parents didn't move in with me when they retired but had their own social network. When my father did eventually move into a very nice retirement place where he was happy as a clam with his new friends - a man with a good head of hair is never lacking for female friends. :-)

[ZettaK]

On 12/19/2024 at 5:13 PM, drivethroo said:

That's why I want to know where she really was and who was she really with. The cousin she was on the phone with testified as to her state of mind ---where was the friend she allegedly went out to dinner with?

The lawyer wasn't incompetent, the lawyer has probably done this before for Karen: 

• 1) Refuse to take the breathalyzer/BAC tests
• 2) Get that bodycam footage struck

Without the bodycam footage and the blood alcohol tests, the state of Maryland had no case.  The most they could've gotten her for was reckless driving.

Sadly for Karen, that bodycam footage was not struck.  At that point, her lawyer should have told her to take the plea.  IMO Karen insisted on going to trial because she felt she was above the law.  Remember, she told the cops if they Googled her they'd be ashamed of arresting her, asked the cops if they knew who she was and told that one cop she was the Grande Dame.

This isn't Karen's first rodeo with DUI or being in a state of sloppy drunkenness.  This makes me mad for Ray because she's been claiming he's not there for her and said on the other episode she had the accident because she was in distress over her marital problems with Ray.

But who came immediately to the scene to help her out of yet another drunken jam? Ray.

 

 

I always thought Ray was a nice, decent guy. She needs to stop claiming she has marital problems. Didn't she have a tv vow renewal a few seasons ago? She was also exposed for cheating on Ray which was humiliating for him.