S03.E14: Chapter Forty-Nine: Fire Walk with Me

[Bort]

Betty takes matters into her own hands when she learns that The Farm has set their sights on someone in her inner circle. Meanwhile, when Hiram and Gladys's control over Veronica becomes too much to handle, she sets a plan in motion to turn the tables on them. Elsewhere, Archie grows concerned about a young runaway he meets at the gym, while Jughead struggles to maintain control over the Serpents.

Airdate: Thursday, March 6, 2019

[Lady Calypso]

What an episode for Luke. The first episode we get after finding out about Luke's stroke and passing is him saving Archie's life and giving him a pep talk. 

I will so miss Fred/Archie scenes.

That's all I can muster up for now, since the episode had Fred show up only at the very end so I'm still shedding tears.

[WhosThatGirl]

(Okay so before anyone reads this, I need to preface that I know I’m sometimes negative but in a fun way about this show but tonight I don’t think there was much of that. I just didn’t feel much this episode. I tried but I was pretty over it before anything happened but I think you guys will understand why so.. I just wanted to add a note about that in case you want to skip my thoughts on the episode).

So yeah.. just saying it might be really hard to even be my fun witty self about this episode considering everything that has happened this week. I don’t know. Don’t get me wrong I’m always watching this show with trepidation a lot of the time, how will betty be tortured this week? Will Bughead survive or even get screen time.. but this is really hard to even watch and try to think things. I don’t know.. I was hoping the thread would be open already so I could voice my thoughts live time but here we are.

Okay I’m going to try.. the only

Thing I really agree with Gladys about his not working for veronica anymore.. but that’s about it.

Alice is the worst. And it’s harder and harder to stomach this week for obvious reasons. So Betty ruining her open house tour ruled. 

So.. do the other boxers not like Archie? And that’s why they make him clean up?

Okay Cheryl talking to the farm was awesome but I still dislike her.

Okay.. wait.. the school is just like “whatever” about the gangs? And is just like “yeah gangs exist but whatever, just don’t have fights”. What? That actually made me laugh. Like gangs and cults get to have meetings on the school schedule. See this kind of crazy is kind of fun. 

So yeah hiram is just going to buy drinks constantly to pay for the drug money. And seriously Reggie cares more about her than she does him, really. At least from what I’ve seen. He’s helping her out and that’s why she needs him and he’s fun to hook up with.

Archie and Josie find a runaway little boy named Ricky at the gym. Who also has the same brand as Archie. 

Aw Archie being nice to Ricky.

Choni. Being the most toxic ship ever on this show.  Cheryl is such a raging bitch.

Hey look a 2.5 second four core scene. And Archie tells his friends about how he has a homeless kid staying at his house. But also Betty you have a number for a person who works for child services, yes help archies friend but also hi call that your number yourself! You’re currently living in a unhealthy environment.

Dear Kevin another worst character ever. Seriously people like him and think he’s a good friend to Betty? When has he ever actually been a good friend to her? He’s a fair weather friend in the worst way.

Yeah Gladys clearly brought the gyglore gangs in to push Jughead our.. for reasons more than likely to get more drugs into Riverdale.  Yeah Jughead came to you and then left and his mom brought you in so he didn’t want you in.  Ugh. 

You know.. I’m not remotely interested in anything with this episode. 

I don’t care about casino night.

So.. Archie left a little kid at Pops all day? I mean I get Archie wanting to help but.. I don’t quite understand why he didn’t just say stay in the garage? 

I mean.. I get that we need to see Kevin’s in danger with the farm and their cult like ways and Evelyn being Evelyn but.. we really don’t need to see it? We’ve seen enough and heard enough already. Also at this point I don’t give a damn if Kevin or Alice or Polly get hurt because of the cult. All of them have been beyond terrible to Betty so all I really want is betty to get the hell away from them all. 

Hey betty why don’t you mention to miss weiss that you are currently in a bad situation but whatever.

So Veronica gets both Gladys and Hiram to shave off 5 percent off her debt.

So Josie had no idea Kevin was culting it up? Just that he was hooking up with randoms. I mean either way doing terrible things and not smart.

So the gang is helping look for the little runaway.  Also are we forgetting that all the serpents were playing this g and g game at one point too? Because they sure as hell seem too.

Hey Gladys sings. Whatever. I dislike her so all her scenes are too much. Seriously it’s really making me mad watching all these terrible parents now. Like way more than usual.

Again.. I’m sorry but we don’t need to see the dangerous stuff the cult is doing(I’m not calling it a farm, it’s a cult), we know they are dangerous. We also know that Kevin was going to walk through the fire before he finished so this scene was pointless, having Betty try to call out to him was pointless and it’s eye rolling(I’m actually rolling my eyes more than I do, I’m not sure why, I think I’m just having a hard time enjoying anything tonight, I’m sorry guys, I’m a kill joy, but everything is bugging me about this episode) so this was stupid. Also Kevin is awful.

Hey archie and Jughead friendship scenes!!!! They find Ricky st the glolgre liar.

So Betty thinks thinks telling people what her plans are to write an article about the cult

Is a good idea? Why are these people telling them their great big plans about how they will take them down? Also seriously again.. Kevin sucks!!!! I don’t get why people think he’s such a good character. He has never had bettys back, ever! And he sells her down the river as soon as he needs to. Yup, he’s totally a friend I would save. Betty cut your losses, your mother, your sister, and your so called best friend. 

Hey at least Toni was around to get Jughead to save Fangs. Maybe she still has a heart after all. Can she dump Cheryl now and I will maybe forgive her for her stupid speech to

Jughead last episode about all of a sudden wanting to be queen.  I was glad fangs didn’t get super hurt.  

Also Veronica realizing she’s in over her heard and Gladys and Hiram are running the place. Well, they kind of are. 

Does FP do anything on this show anymore? Making her Sheriff was really dumb. He doesn’t do anything.

So Veronica is hiring Cheryl and Toni’s gang? Yuck.  I bet cheryl gets mad that Toni accepted the job. 

Alice sold the house. I’m sorry the worst. Ever.

So Jughead brought in FP? To.. have the serpents work for the police force? Um, sure. Are they even a real gang anymore? They don’t really do gang like things anymore. Also bye random gyglore.

Aw. I didn’t see Ricky being Joaquin’s little brother.  But also Ricky was lying the whole time to get into the game with the others? Well I didn’t see that coming either. 

Okay.. the Fred moment.  Since it happened so fast.. still. Again seeing all the other parents and their awfulness(aside from FP but kind of odd how his character doesn’t make sense ever and in the first half of this season he was odd and creepy about the game and now he’s Sheriff and doesn’t do all that.. much but whatever and we have Josie and Kevin’s mom and dad but we rarely see them) makes me mad and so I saw Fred and got super sad and more announced at the awful parents.

Watching Fred with Archie.. I don’t have anything to say. It was nice and lovely and I can’t. 

What is Cheryl’s problem? Can they break up already?

At least veronica was able to

Find a way to keep Gladys and Hiram out. For the time being. 

No Betty please don’t go into the farm. Don’t. Please. Now

I’m worried that we’re going to find out in a future episode that she did cult things.

So Archie is marked for death.  And he’s going to Leah the game.

Okay I was worried that betty had joined the cult but she just pulled a cheryl. Well she is a Blossom.

You know.. I feel like we all have been touching on the issue with this season but I’ll bring it up again, it’s not so much that no one is talking to each other, it’s clear they are because everyone knows for the most part what is happening with their lives but t seems the conversations are happening off screen.

Anyways this was a rough one. I’m just mad at everything that happened this episode because almost every parent is terrible and I just couldn’t care less about anything.

[notcreative enough]

When she was playing with the candle I knew that psycho was going to burn her house down.

Kevin's pulling a con on the farm right. He cant really be that big of a shitbag friend. So it has to be either con or he dies because he is the worst. 

It's nice that Jug Betty and Archie were together this episode and for hopefully the rest.

Not sure what show Veronica is on because she adds nothing. When was the last time she had a scene with one of the other core four.  

PS Veronica your speakeasy isnt a secret everyone knows about it. Don't know why a bunch of "kids" want to go to a club that has parents in it even if they are shady. And what gross ass adult goes to a club geared toward the under 18 crowd or however old these kids are supposed to be.

[WhosThatGirl]

Just now, notcreative enough said:

When she was playing with the candle I knew that psycho was going to burn her house down.

Kevin's pulling a con on the farm right. He cant really be that big of a shitbag friend. So it has to be either con or he dies because he is the worst. 

It's nice that Jug Betty and Archie were together this episode and for hopefully the rest.

Not sure what show Veronica is on because she adds nothing. When was the last time she had a scene with one of the other core four.  

PS Veronica your speakeasy isnt a secret everyone knows about it. Don't know why a bunch of "kids" want to go to a club that has parents in it even if they are shady. And what gross ass adult goes to a club geared toward the under 18 crowd or however old these kids are supposed to be.

I mean I think her speakeasy serves liquor now but yeah.. it’s not really a speakeasy. But also most of the adults on this show act like they are still high schoolers so it’s not surprising that they hang out at a teen club. 

Anyways I hope Kevin is doing a con mission but he’s been a crap friend for quite some time. He’s always throwing Betty under the bus as I said. But yeah by next season betty will forget he ever did this to her, just like she will forget Alice did this to her too.

im glad we had the three musketeers back. It made me laugh when Archie said to Ricky “I had friends who helped me..” Which kind of? I guess? He got two whole episodes with Jughead so yeah but then they had lots of jarchie friendship moments tonight and then Betty Jughead Archie moment at the end.

[nilyank]

Well I was suckered punch when Luke showed up at the very end when in early scene Archie said he was going to introduce the kid to his father but they didn't show Fred or that scene.

I know it defies logic with the people that live in Riverdale but am I actually to believe that two big time criminals will allow themselves to be pushed out because some teenagers said they weren't allowed into the club. I think they might have access to people (criminals) who are violent/dangerous that Toni's gang of teenaged girls.

[WhosThatGirl]

5 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Well I was suckered punch when Luke showed up at the very end when in early scene Archie said he was going to introduce the kid to his father but they didn't show Fred or that scene.

I know it defies logic with the people that live in Riverdale but am I actually to believe that two big time criminals will allow themselves to be pushed out because some teenagers said they weren't allowed into the club. I think they might have access to people (criminals) who are violent/dangerous that Toni's gang of teenaged girls.

Yeah, that didn’t really check. and they don’t even have their bows and arrows. So I don’t get how they are going to protect the speakeasy? How are they scary to adults? Whatever. I guess it didn’t make sense when the serpents were doing it either, because they were also teenagers.

I do have to say, I really Dislike Gladys for various reasons, not the least that she is completely the cliche of what I thought she would but sometimes she says smart things, last week with telling the serpents to quit because atvthatbpoint veronica was all about her family, the serpents hate Hiram (we didn’t know Gladys was doing that to get into the speakeasy) and this week when she called Reggie Veronica’s “boy toy”. That’s what he is to her, I don’t think veronica sees him as a serious thing. And that’s fine. Again I said this a few episodes ago, do you veronica, but I definitely think Reggie cares more about her than she does about him. She sees him as someone to hook up with him and someone who’s willing to help her out. It is hard that none of the other core four mention him or their relationship though. Seriously.. I kind of feel bad for veronica.

[Chaos Theory]

Was this Luke Perry’s last episode or will there be a couple more where he will make an appearance?

 When Fred Andrews came into the house to rescue Archie I got a little tear in my eye.  

Did anyone really think Betty was going to let Alice force her into The Farm without burning at least something to the ground. That isn’t who she is.  Loved the scene where Alice was trying to show their nice pretty house and Betty pointed out all the points of interest

So the Serpents are cops and the Poisons are bouncers.  I’d say only in Riverdale but honestly....any teen show this scenario would fit

Edited March 7, 2019 by Chaos Theory

[WhosThatGirl]

6 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

Was this Luke Perry’s last episode or will there be a couple more where he will make an appearance?

 Wheb Fred Andrews came into the house to rescue Archie I got a little tear in my eye.  

Did anyone really think Betty was .Mgoing to let Alice force her into The Farm without burning at least something to the ground. That isn’t who she is.  Loved the scene where Alice was trying to show their nice pretty house and Betty pointed out all the points of interest

So the Serpents are cops and the Poisons are blouncers.  I’d say only in Riverdale but honestly....any teen show this scenario would fit

I think Luke could possibly be in a few more? I’m not sure? They finished filming episode 19 this past weekend so this is episode 14, so he could still be in a few more.

I admit I was nervous Betty was going to be forced into the farm, I’m thinking she still might be. I’m not sure. Don’t get me wrong I laughed when she burned the house down but I don’t get why? And I don’t get how or why this makes her all happy and smiley? That’s why I’m not entirely convinced she won’t be joining the farm or has plans to. With this show and with all the things that apparently happen off screen, conversations, events, etc, they could totally make Betty do farm things off screen. I sure as hell hope they dont because yeah Betty would never but again this show you never know.

Also yeah the serpents being police and the other gang being bouncers, none of them do Gang things at all and the school is actually totally fine with them having meetings after school like they are clubs. It’s strange. But the serpents being police gives FP something to do, I guess and he hasn’t done all that much since they came back after the holidays and they made him shoot Hiram and made him Sheriff. So.. yeah.. 

Edited March 7, 2019 by WhosThatGirl

[Pete Martell]

First I should say RIP Luke Perry.

Second, I should say, I know that David Lynch did not create "fire walk with me," and I know that his work has more than its share of issues regarding treatment of female characters, but I will always associate that phrase with Laura Palmer and what she went through. Invoking it on a show whose female characters are a world away from Laura and the ugly reality of her struggles (especially their main heroine, whose struggles are treated as kinky, sexy, able to be resolved by the love of a good man, and mostly in existence for an "edgy" nickname and hashtag) just feels wrong. 

Other than employing Madchen Amick, Twin Peaks and Riverdale are completely different shows. And that's fine. I'm sure many would tell you Riverdale is the best ever and Twin Peaks sucks ass. 

I just wish that  Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa would drop any remaining winks and nods to Twin Peaks, as they do his show no favors. If there is ever a Twin Peaks season 4 while we still have a planet, I doubt Lynch will be naming episodes "Jingle Jangle," because this is not his show. There's nothing wrong with dropping the cutesy tie-ins that your actual body of work does not in any way show any similarity to or respect for.

[WhosThatGirl]

36 minutes ago, Pete Martell said:

First I should say RIP Luke Perry.

Second, I should say, I know that David Lynch did not create "fire walk with me," and I know that his work has more than its share of issues regarding treatment of female characters, but I will always associate that phrase with Laura Palmer and what she went through. Invoking it on a show whose female characters are a world away from Laura and the ugly reality of her struggles (especially their main heroine, whose struggles are treated as kinky, sexy, able to be resolved by the love of a good man, and mostly in existence for an "edgy" nickname and hashtag) just feels wrong. 

Other than employing Madchen Amick, Twin Peaks and Riverdale are completely different shows. And that's fine. I'm sure many would tell you Riverdale is the best ever and Twin Peaks sucks ass. 

I just wish that  Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa would drop any remaining winks and nods to Twin Peaks, as they do his show no favors. If there is ever a Twin Peaks season 4 while we still have a planet, I doubt Lynch will be naming episodes "Jingle Jangle," because this is not his show. There's nothing wrong with dropping the cutesy tie-ins that your actual body of work does not in any way show any similarity to or respect for.

Well for this season they seemed to have at least gotten rid of Bettys dark Betty persona and according to the powers that be of the show we , the viewers, were the reason it became sexual and a joke. No it became that way because it was constantly presented to us as that and LR herself said it was betty exploring her sexuality that way and that’s why people got  confused. But regardless they have said that’s over so hopefully it is. Because the show never knew what they wanted to do with it. 

Again this episode was odd. I’m worried about certain things now. I can’t help but think that the show is implying something with Betty putting her hand over the candle. Sorry this show never foreshadows things like that without going through with it and like I said so many things are happening off camera this season, conversations, Veronica all of a sudden being team lodge and moving back into her house with her parents, etc, who knows what Betty is actually doing off camera. 

Plus I don’t get why she burned the house down. I mean I guess it was funny and I get that she’s mad? But something about it felt really off and especially with the way she acted at the end. There’s more to it than “I’m so happy, I lit my house on fire and my mother is going to be angry” like what? It just.. doesn’t make sense to me.

Edited March 7, 2019 by WhosThatGirl

[Snookums]

Wowsers, okay, that's probably the sanest this crackers and nuts show is ever going to be again, and I will say that they made progress on various story lines AND had some characters actually interact, so here's hoping that the writers are inching their way back to the strengths of Riverdale--good young actors with great chemistry having a fun time with crazy circumstances.

I think one problem, that really started to grow like a mutant yeast spore during the whole Archie/Hiram nonsense, was that in the first season the kids and the adults had a wacky yet comprehensible connection. That is, the kids had all these secrets and problems and mysteries that they were working on on their own, while relating to the adults on the show in a least semi-recognizable way as parents and children. The adults may have been bad parents or insane or drunk or overachieving, but none of them seemed to insist on dragging the teenagers outside their own sphere, and it gave the show the juice and tension it needed.

Now, though, everybody either seems to forget they even have parents and/or children, or when they do remember, it's so out of left field as to be ludicrous. Setting aside the Archie/Hiram slow motion car wreck, look at this episode! Principal Weatherby cares about a gang fight but not a raving sociopath nearly murdering another student? Pops is now some kind of babysitter who doesn't call the cops when an underage truant minor is just left in his restaurant all day, or when his underage boss sets up a bar AND CASINO, complete with muscle, in the basement? Said casino is patronized by both sides of the Riverdale underworld because apparently there is NO other bar or any other place of adult entertainment in town, even though that was Hiram's original friggin' goal in the first damn place? (Right, Penelope?) Alice actually thinks Betty is going to listen to her like they've ever had any kind of normal relationship? 

The one true parental moment was of course, the heart wringing moments with Fred (oh, Luke Perry) and Archie actually discussing their bizarro world and whirlpool of lunacy that is their lives in a way that felt caring and unforced. (Hey, speaking of which, what the hell is with Archie getting stabbed/bear swiped/sliced in the same damn spot every time? Do the ineffable forces of the universe hate the left side of his torso that much?)

Anyway.

Okay, so! Kevin. Seriously. You'd better be undercover (and if you are, props to your level of dedication) but if not, go and join this cult and get yourself killed for all I care. You aren't the first person to feel abandoned and heartbroken, but you ARE in a much, much better position than most to know how deeply ridiculous the idea of The Farm helping you is. (Again, it's not really that Kevin is without reasons to feel vulnerable and adrift. He's lost Moose, Moose's dad tried to kill them both, his dad recently remarried, and so on. It's that the actor never gets a chance to play any in between states. There's Point A My First Love Leaves and then Point Z I NOW WORSHIP EDGAR and nothing connecting the two.)

Honestly, when Betty went to Josie to talk about this entire debacle I spent half the scene wondering why--I completely forgot that they're stepsiblings now. That's how fragmented these story lines are.

Alice, meet Old Betty! So good to see her back! While some might find her burning down the house extreme, I don't blame her a bit. I do wonder, though, how fast she set that fire and left, seeing as Alice walked in right when it was getting started. Fire spreads much, much faster than most people realize and in another five minutes the entire place would have been engulfed. 

Veronica and Reggie continue to be a terrific comedy team. I didn't realize how much her endless parental woes story needs his crack timing until last week when he wasn't around. His devotion to giant bow ties, plaid pants and random cultural slang really leavens the lump of this dragging thread.

Toni deciding she's tired of being a kept woman is honestly refreshing. I liked watching the scenes with her and Cheryl playing the "of COURSE nothing's wrong" game familiar to anybody who's been angry at a significant other. Cheryl's losing her sense of ownership and that's never good.

This entire episode seemed to be about trying to at least have some threads of the connection between the characters that made it so special in the first place: the lounge, Jughead and Betty telling Archie they'll help him, Veronica paying Toni to be her Girl Strike Force, and so on. Her banning Gladys and Hiram seemed to be saying that the kids are taking back their own space.

[WhosThatGirl]

I mean I would like the trio of Betty Jughead and Archie but I’m just waiting for it to turn into a triangle so.. hopefully not this season but you never know.

Most of this episode as I said earlier was me just being annoyed, except for a few moments and I think I explained why.

But yeah so many things just had me rolling my eyes, also I’m hoping cheryl and Toni break up. Cheryl is really bad. She’s become mentally Abusive,  that scene where she was talking about how she has given shelter for Toni and their gang.. wow. What if Archie or Jughead were doing this? Interesting that Cheryl hardly gets called out on anything? Last week she was serving her gang up to beat up

sweet pea and Fangs but it’s finny because they’re girls! And this week she’s pretty much telling her girlfriend to fall in line because she provides for her. It’s gross. And she won’t get called out on it. 

[LadyNebula]

This Ricky plot is possibly the dumbest thing I've seen on this show, and that's saying something. 

[tennisgurl]

Seeing Fred/Luke showing up in time to have a sweet father/son moment really hit me in the gut. It makes it kind of hard to enjoy wacky Riverdale shenanigans knowing about poor Luke and what the cast and crew must be going through, not to mention his family. Anyway, trying to move onto the actual episode. 

Slow your rolls there show. Lets not be reminding us about how this show is so not Twin Peaks, no matter how much it wants to be. Twin Peaks was surreal, this show is just nonsense.

All the characters are in such different plot lines, I sometimes forget they actually know each other, let alone are friends or family. I am excited to see Archie/Betty/Jughead all together again, they have really nice friend chemistry, and its been forever since they all had something to do together. Like when they were asking Josie about Kevin, I forgot that they actually live in the same house, and their parents are a thing!

Speaking of, I can get why Kevin would be vulnerable to a cult, as he is dealing with his boyfriend leaving after being kidnapped by his boyfriends crazy father who was in love with his father (because Riverdale) and a bunch of other crap, but come on dude! Not these farm freaks, they're one of the towns worst cults! 

Congrats to the extra who managed to say a line like "the goolies, pretties, and farmies are getting into it!" or whatever with a straight face. I mean, Weatherby needs to just admit that his school is the weirdest clusterfuck in the world and bring in some new people. Like an entire SWAT team of counselors. I also really want to see the school schedual where people have to book rooms for their extracurricular clubs. "Sorry Pep Club, the semi reformed gang members have the gym from 4-5:30 for their bake sale, and the murder cult have the math room from 5-6 for their conjuring of dark souls. Maybe try next Tuesday, if we can reschedule the demon worshiping DnD campaign!"

So if they dont steal, do drugs, fight, or break laws, how are the Serpents even a gang at this point? Its just a bunch of people who like to wear leather and hang out. Except now they're cops or something, because why not?

[WhosThatGirl]

6 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

Seeing Fred/Luke showing up in time to have a sweet father/son moment really hit me in the gut. It makes it kind of hard to enjoy wacky Riverdale shenanigans knowing about poor Luke and what the cast and crew must be going through, not to mention his family. Anyway, trying to move onto the actual episode. 

Slow your rolls there show. Lets not be reminding us about how this show is so not Twin Peaks, no matter how much it wants to be. Twin Peaks was surreal, this show is just nonsense.

All the characters are in such different plot lines, I sometimes forget they actually know each other, let alone are friends or family. I am excited to see Archie/Betty/Jughead all together again, they have really nice friend chemistry, and its been forever since they all had something to do together. Like when they were asking Josie about Kevin, I forgot that they actually live in the same house, and their parents are a thing!

Speaking of, I can get why Kevin would be vulnerable to a cult, as he is dealing with his boyfriend leaving after being kidnapped by his boyfriends crazy father who was in love with his father (because Riverdale) and a bunch of other crap, but come on dude! Not these farm freaks, they're one of the towns worst cults! 

Congrats to the extra who managed to say a line like "the goolies, pretties, and farmies are getting into it!" or whatever with a straight face. I mean, Weatherby needs to just admit that his school is the weirdest clusterfuck in the world and bring in some new people. Like an entire SWAT team of counselors. I also really want to see the school schedual where people have to book rooms for their extracurricular clubs. "Sorry Pep Club, the semi reformed gang members have the gym from 4-5:30 for their bake sale, and the murder cult have the math room from 5-6 for their conjuring of dark souls. Maybe try next Tuesday, if we can reschedule the demon worshiping DnD campaign!"

So if they dont steal, do drugs, fight, or break laws, how are the Serpents even a gang at this point? Its just a bunch of people who like to wear leather and hang out. Except now they're cops or something, because why not?

Well the pretty poisons aren’t really a gang either. And now these gangs are all allowed to exist on the school like an after school club. Hell even the cult is allowed to as well.

[Chaos Theory]

I guess because this is a teen show none of the main young cast can do anything especially bad.  It means Juggead is leader of the most boring gang in the world.   Even the Pretty Poisons who should be showing strong females have Cheryl not getting involved.....for reasons.   

And teen show high school where gangs and cults are just another after school activity.

Is there even a football team anymore?  I remember Archie playing football at one point.  Or am I just on to much Jingle Jangle?  (which by the way none of the gangs are allowed to sell.)

Edited March 7, 2019 by Chaos Theory

[WhosThatGirl]

2 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

I guess because this is a teen show none of the main young cast can do anything especially bad.  It means Juggead is leader of the most boring gang in the world.   Even the Poisons who should be showing strong females have Cheryl not getting involved.....for reasons.   

Whatever on the Pretty poisons, Cheryl is a toxic character enough right now, the way she was treating Toni this episode was beyond disgusting, again I ask what if the males were doing this behavior. Also she definitely has encouraged violent behavior and set it in motion, kind of like how Hiram doesn’t kill people but he definitely hires people to kill people more than likely, Cheryl doesn’t hurt people herself but she sets others to.

[Snookums]

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 And now these gangs are all allowed to exist on the school like an after school club. Hell even the cult is allowed to as well.

Remember when Weatherbee was throwing fits about the Serpents and insisting they wear polos and khakis and shit? And when Mayor McCoy was being all Just Say No about G&G? 

 And now it's all  "enjoy burning your hands kids! Also, I will throw a fit about a gang fight but not a dead eyed psycho who should be in a padded room on all the Thorazine HANGING A KID UPSIDE DOWN FROM A STAIRWELL, AND THEN DROPPING HIM." Fangs would have died if Jug and that other Serpent hadn't broken his fall.

And then! Jug goes to his father, the sheriff, about this, and nobody says "maybe this nutjob should be arrested for attempted murder and assault before he actually kills somebody [else, because who knows what this lunatic has already done]?" No, Grown Adult Sheriff HP Jones just tells his minor son to figure out a way to handle it. This isn't a fight over who sold the most band candy! That kid is a potential killer!

[WhosThatGirl]

12 minutes ago, Snookums said:

Remember when Weatherbee was throwing fits about the Serpents and insisting they wear polos and khakis and shit? And when Mayor McCoy was being all Just Say No about G&G? 

 And now it's all  "enjoy burning your hands kids! Also, I will throw a fit about a gang fight but not a dead eyed psycho who should be in a padded room on all the Thorazine HANGING A KID UPSIDE DOWN FROM A STAIRWELL, AND THEN DROPPING HIM." Fangs would have died if Jug and that other Serpent hadn't broken his fall.

And then! Jug goes to his father, the sheriff, about this, and nobody says "maybe this nutjob should be arrested for attempted murder and assault before he actually kills somebody [else, because who knows what this lunatic has already done]?" No, Grown Adult Sheriff HP Jones just tells his minor son to figure out a way to handle it. This isn't a fight over who sold the most band candy! That kid is a potential killer!

Yeah, I mean I know this show is ridiculous and they are supposed to teens but when they bring in the school and the teen part into the show more, it looks so ridiculous it’s not even able to comprehend to me. Like I wish this show had never been introduced in a teen drama because when they try to incorporate that into the show it doesn’t work at all and it makes you wonder if any of the writers have ever been in an actual high school, ever. 

[SourK]

I feel really bad for everyone on this show who just lost a coworker/friend, and I feel really scared because 52 is a young age to die, and it seemed like it happened suddenly. I'm about to bag on the show, but I care about that stuff.

One thing I actually kind of liked about this episode is that it's starting to become clear that the show knows Cheryl is a horrible, controlling partner who backed Toni into a situation where she's completely dependent on her and therefore is less likely to stand up for herself. I was worried that that story line was happening by accident but, if it's on purpose, I'm interested to see where it goes.

I was less thrilled about the part where the kid who "self-harms" turned out to be a dangerous crazy person who was scamming everyone. I get that they specifically mentioned self-harm to try to justify the part where he carved up his own arm, but they probably didn't need to say that.

23 hours ago, notcreative enough said:

PS Veronica your speakeasy isnt a secret everyone knows about it.

PREACH.

23 hours ago, WhosThatGirl said:

I mean I think her speakeasy serves liquor now but yeah.. it’s not really a speakeasy. But also most of the adults on this show act like they are still high schoolers so it’s not surprising that they hang out at a teen club.

I think maybe the parents of Riverdale have clued into something. If they start doing whatever supposedly fun thing their kids do, it ruins it for them. They did it with the school play, and G&G, and now they're doing it with hanging out at a club.

23 hours ago, nilyank said:

I know it defies logic with the people that live in Riverdale but am I actually to believe that two big time criminals will allow themselves to be pushed out because some teenagers said they weren't allowed into the club. I think they might have access to people (criminals) who are violent/dangerous that Toni's gang of teenaged girls.

If Veronica was going to make that play, she'd need security to follow her 24/7. Otherwise, as soon as she steps OUTSIDE the club or, you know, goes to sleep in the house that she shares with one of those criminals, something bad's going to happen. But, according to Riverdale logic, I guess not. (Though I kind of LOLd at how the thing that finally pushed her over the edge was Hiram showing his business contacts around and taking credit for her crimes).

23 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

Did anyone really think Betty was going to let Alice force her into The Farm without burning at least something to the ground. That isn’t who she is.  Loved the scene where Alice was trying to show their nice pretty house and Betty pointed out all the points of interest

I love how her reaction was just like, "I don't even need to solve the mystery of who bought our house. I already know it's someone bad, and I should just burn everything down." That's actually a sensible move in Riverdale.

20 hours ago, Snookums said:

Pops is now some kind of babysitter who doesn't call the cops when an underage truant minor is just left in his restaurant all day, or when his underage boss sets up a bar AND CASINO, complete with muscle, in the basement?

Two things seem equally weird to me. If Archie needed to stash that kid somewhere and he was already doing it at a business Veronica owned, why not tell her ahead of time and let the kid stay in the basement where he'll feel safer and be more hidden? Also, if you're left watching this random kid and you see a bunch of gangsters chase him out of the store while he screams... maybe tell someone?

6 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

And teen show high school where gangs and cults are just another after school activity.

I love the part where the principal was just like, "You guys are having gang fights in the middle of the day, and I think you stole our chemistry equipment to make drugs. Lucky for you, we have a three strike policy and you need another strike before I do anything!" I feel like he tried to tell them they couldn't have gangs once? That seems like it might have been a good policy? Or suspending school clubs because they're all trying to kill each other? Or having a teacher supervise the club meetings? I don't know. I'm just brainstorming solutions other than quietly watching your school descend into chaos.

[secnarf]

I actually figured the kid out pretty early on - as soon as he revealed that he had the same mark as Archie.

Cheryl was blatantly emotionally abusive in this episode. It is becoming hard to excuse her as just 'being crazy Cheryl', even on this show.

Completely unsurprised that Betty burned her house down - something her and Cheryl now have in common, I suppose.

[WhosThatGirl]

8 minutes ago, secnarf said:

I actually figured the kid out pretty early on - as soon as he revealed that he had the same mark as Archie.

Cheryl was blatantly emotionally abusive in this episode. It is becoming hard to excuse her as just 'being crazy Cheryl', even on this show.

Completely unsurprised that Betty burned her house down - something her and Cheryl now have in common, I suppose.

Yeah I was surprised by the kid, I just thought it was another odd Archie is away from everything plot.

The cheryl thing bothers me because cheryl is being truly awful this season and has been for a few episodes, as I said what if one of the males was doing this in a relationship? I’m also not sure if this show is going for this or if they think viewers are supposed to ignore the signs. Also because of the way they are writing this, this isn’t even a normal type of Choni not getting along and they should break up, it is veering Hard into emotional Abusive territory and I honestly don’t think the writers are meaning to go that far. I really think they are just trying to write Choni having disagreements. Maybe I’m wrong and they are intentionally doing this but I don’t think so, but we will see next episode I guess and see how cheryl acts. 

[thuganomics85]

Fred's appearance really did hit home and was perfect with the whole "You're not dumb, you just have a big heart!", because that is totally Fred's way of going "You are a bit of a lug, son, but you truly do mean well, and I'll take that over half of the other shit the kids are doing in this freaking town!"  It is going to be rough going forward, knowing his scenes will be the last we'll see of Fred and Luke Perry.

Meanwhile, insane shit continues to be insane shit.  Archie and Josie find a homeless kid hiding in the gym, poor Archie develops a bond with him, and it all ends up being that he was the younger brother of Joaquin, and he is also playing "the game", and tries to kill poor Archie.  Seriously, poor Archie's just going to need to wear a bullet proof vest for the rest of his time, which will never happen since that will interfere with the mandated shirtless or tank-top scenes that are in K.J. Apa's contract.

Meanwhile, the show rudely has a big brawl between the Gargoyles/Serpents, the Pretty Poisons, AND the Farm, and we don't actually get to see what was probably the most hilarious fight of all time.  But, alas, it all ends with Jughead finally having enough after Fangs almost gets killed (which, apparently, Weatherbee wasn't too upset with since Curtis was still at school.  Weatherbee's morals and tolerance of violence in his school are so weird), so he and FP puts their heads together and.... deputize the Serpents!  That's right, the Serpents are the law!  And I'm sure no one in Riverdale is even going to care that a high school gang can now make arrests and solve crime, because it's Riverdale!

As for Veronica, she finds herself basically being pushed around by Hiram and Gladys due to her foolishly getting in debt with both of them, but she finds a way to get a win by hiring the Pretty Poisons to be the speakeasy's new security.  Because nothing screams fear more than a gang that pretty much took their entire membership just to beat up on two unprepared Serpents last week.  But it seems to work, which, once again, really makes both Hiram and Gladys look ways less scary and badass as the show wants me to believe, because top-level mobsters and gangsters really shouldn't be getting outmaneuvered by a high schooler like this.

It certainly looks like a major row is in store for Cheryl and Tori, which is good since Cheryl really has been odious this season, and the relationship has truly become toxic.

Kevin has truly become a lackey of the Farm, and Betty is powerless to stop them, due to stupid Alice blabbing all of their dark secrets.  But at least Betty got the last laugh by burning down their house, so, yay, to arsonist?

It is definitely telling that the best scene was the brief moment where all of the core four were talking with each other in the lounge.  The show really has had enough of just Archie/Jughead/Betty/Veronica, and I've really missed their interactions and chemistry.

[xqueenfrostine]

On 3/6/2019 at 11:32 PM, Snookums said:

 Pops is now some kind of babysitter who doesn't call the cops when an underage truant minor is just left in his restaurant all day, or when his underage boss sets up a bar AND CASINO, complete with muscle, in the basement?

To be fair: who would Pops call?  There apparently isn't any other law enforcement officers in Riverdale other than FP, and the Lodges appear to have a deal with a governor to keep state authorities from poking around their turf.  

[Chaos Theory]

Maybe I am really bitter because I really liked Cheryl season 2.  The Cheryl and Toni stuff  were the best part of season 2.  And Season 3 of all the characters to ruin the show had to pick Cheryl. 

[SemiCharmedLife]

On 3/7/2019 at 11:09 AM, tennisgurl said:

On 3/7/2019 at 11:09 AM, tennisgurl said:

 I also really want to see the school schedual where people have to book rooms for their extracurricular clubs. "Sorry Pep Club, the semi reformed gang members have the gym from 4-5:30 for their bake sale, and the murder cult have the math room from 5-6 for their conjuring of dark souls. Maybe try next Tuesday, if we can reschedule the demon worshiping DnD campaign!"

This!!!