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8 hours ago, jason88cubs said:

Yes I can't imagine teacher jobs were easy to come by back then

But easy enough if an Ingalls was involved or the plot of the week required it.

How many teachers did walnut grove have during the series? Miss Beadle, Caroline, the mean guy, Etta Plum, Laura, Harriet... any others?

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8 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

But easy enough if an Ingalls was involved or the plot of the week required it.

How many teachers did walnut grove have during the series? Miss Beadle, Caroline, the mean guy, Etta Plum, Laura, Harriet... any others?

Eliza Jane!

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12 hours ago, Zella said:

Eliza Jane!

What was odd about that was that she lived with her younger brother Almanzo. OK, two single sibs living together was somewhat common but it seemed he had bought the farm and farmhouse they lived entirely based on Eliza Jane having been hired to teach in Walnut Grove.

IIRC, during the episode in which a bully starts to taunt Eliza Jane and she's on the verge of permanently resigning, Laura and Albert are concerned that if their teacher  permanently leaves their school, Almanzo will somehow have no choice but to totally uproot himself and amscray from Walnut Grove despite all the blood, sweat, tears and toil he'd put into his farm (to say nothing of the monies involved  in purchasing it).

Yes, it seemed that Almanzo had followed Eliza Jane from one town to another solely depending on her teaching assignments and, evidently was willing to uproot himself when her tenures would be done.

Wouldn't it have been easier for Manly just to have darned his own socks?

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8 hours ago, Blergh said:

IIRC, during the episode in which a bully starts to taunt Eliza Jane and she's on the verge of permanently resigning, Laura and Albert are concerned that if their teacher  permanently leaves their school, Almanzo will somehow have no choice but to totally uproot himself and amscray from Walnut Grove despite all the blood, sweat, tears and toil he'd put into his farm (to say nothing of the monies involved  in purchasing it

I figured he was just as bad a farmer as Pa, so that's why he didn't mind abandoning it.

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8 hours ago, Blergh said:

Wouldn't it have been easier for Manly just to have darned his own socks?

And truthfully she wouldn't really have had time for it. That's why teachers lived with families from the school. Domestic chores were too labor-intensive then for someone to work a full-time job outside the home and then still maintain even fairly modest housekeeping. 

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5 hours ago, Zella said:

And truthfully she wouldn't really have had time for it. That's why teachers lived with families from the school. Domestic chores were too labor-intensive then for someone to work a full-time job outside the home and then still maintain even fairly modest housekeeping. 

So you think Eliza Jane should have told Manly from Day One  to either darn his own socks  or go barefoot like other farmers were doing back then?

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3 hours ago, Superclam said:

So I caught an episode of the Love Boat today, and guess who was on? Everyone's favorite half pint! She was playing a tomboy who fell for a boy on the cruise, played by Jimmy Baio. 

I guess it's just as well that they got him instead of his more annoying cousin Scott or else every whale in the Mexican Riviera would have beached themselves to avoid them- if not the entire Princess crew hoping for an iceberg to sink the two of them!

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just a episode i wrote out

 

 

 

(Early morning)

(charles rises to scrambled eggs, tomatoes and bacon on the table. charles smiles takes a whiff)"mmmmmmmmm fresh home made breakfast. can a man get any luckier"

(laura walks in) ugh eggs again!!cant we ever have pancakes! the olesons have pancakes 4x a week. and all we get is eggs)
charles: now you listen hear child, dont you ever disrespect your ma like that again. you eat your eggs or let your sister carrie eat them

(Carrie smiles) "gooogaga bbaaa daaa reeeeee teee"

charleS: see she appreciates your ma's cooking"

(laura runs out of the house crying_
caroline: LAURA! (chases after her, but charles stands up grabs caroline by the arm) charles: let her go dear. shes gotta learn it the hard way

mary: i dont mind eggs. their good for you! ill eat them every day!

charles: ok brown noser shut up and eat your eggs


(charles walks to work and runs into the doc)
doc: charles ! how you doing

charleS: good doc just about to go to work as usual. sun up to sun down just to scrape the barrell.Man sure does get wore out working long hours just to get by. Seems like anytime I make money, something happens. Flood, Tornado, pyramid scheme...

doc: well listen charles you still owe me 5 dollars for the time you broke your ribs

Charles: which time? last week?

Doc: no you paid that

Charles: last month?

Doc: well which time lats month? you broke your ribs 3 times

(Both sit and ponder)

Doc: well any it doesn't matter but you do owe me 5 dollars

charleS: listen here doc i aint got the money! sorry we arent all rich like the olesons!

doc charle s i never said that


charles : i know what you meant! know look im running late. trying to get me fired now you country doctor!


(charles rips off his shirt and starts running,trips and falls and screams "MY RIBS!" the doc gives a shocked look and tries to help him but Charles just screams "COUNTRY DOCTOR!")

(charles gets to the mill) hanson: charles. you late again. that is 5 days in a row you late


charles: i know mr hanson and im sorry. the doc stopped me


hanson: yes he told me he looking for you. why you no pay your bill?

charles: becaus e not all of us are rich like you , you low paying dirty rotten sob(charles takes hammer and slams it against the building a board come sloose and hits Chalres in the ribs who lets out a loud scream)

hanson: charles i let you go. im sorry, you a good worker but your attitude"

charleS: "huh like youll last 1 week without me!, Here I am busted ribs still working! Is that how you value me?!

Hanson: Again with the ribs?

(Charles storms off)

(charles spends all day walking then comes up with a plan)


(charles talking to himself) charles: yea thats what ill do. ill break in the olseons and steal the money hehehe

(11:00pm)

charles sneaks into olesons mercantile(shirt off), and takes all their money, he runs home, trips on a rock, breaks some more ribs, and surpises caroline who has been looking for him(the next day charles tells caroline they have to go, which upsets her as she has a appointment with Chris the Handyman)

AS THEY PACK TO LEAVE, NELS hanson, teh doc all show up. Charles gets nervous. Hanson tells charles he saw him sneaking out with the money

nels apologizes to charles that he is rich and charles is poor

nels says" keep 50% of what you got charles"

teh doc says ," dont worry charles ill never charge you again"

charles cries and says "what a group of friends."

laura runs home and says "mom we can have eggss everyday its ok"

charles takes out handful of money and says "half-pint well be eating pancakes from now on"

eveyrone laugh and charles smiles and winks at camera

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8 hours ago, jason88cubs said:

just a episode i wrote out

 

 

 

(Early morning)

(charles rises to scrambled eggs, tomatoes and bacon on the table. charles smiles takes a whiff)"mmmmmmmmm fresh home made breakfast. can a man get any luckier"

(laura walks in) ugh eggs again!!cant we ever have pancakes! the olesons have pancakes 4x a week. and all we get is eggs)
charles: now you listen hear child, dont you ever disrespect your ma like that again. you eat your eggs or let your sister carrie eat them

(Carrie smiles) "gooogaga bbaaa daaa reeeeee teee"

charleS: see she appreciates your ma's cooking"

(laura runs out of the house crying_
caroline: LAURA! (chases after her, but charles stands up grabs caroline by the arm) charles: let her go dear. shes gotta learn it the hard way

mary: i dont mind eggs. their good for you! ill eat them every day!

charles: ok brown noser shut up and eat your eggs


(charles walks to work and runs into the doc)
doc: charles ! how you doing

charleS: good doc just about to go to work as usual. sun up to sun down just to scrape the barrell.Man sure does get wore out working long hours just to get by. Seems like anytime I make money, something happens. Flood, Tornado, pyramid scheme...

doc: well listen charles you still owe me 5 dollars for the time you broke your ribs

Charles: which time? last week?

Doc: no you paid that

Charles: last month?

Doc: well which time lats month? you broke your ribs 3 times

(Both sit and ponder)

Doc: well any it doesn't matter but you do owe me 5 dollars

charleS: listen here doc i aint got the money! sorry we arent all rich like the olesons!

doc charle s i never said that


charles : i know what you meant! know look im running late. trying to get me fired now you country doctor!


(charles rips off his shirt and starts running,trips and falls and screams "MY RIBS!" the doc gives a shocked look and tries to help him but Charles just screams "COUNTRY DOCTOR!")

(charles gets to the mill) hanson: charles. you late again. that is 5 days in a row you late


charles: i know mr hanson and im sorry. the doc stopped me


hanson: yes he told me he looking for you. why you no pay your bill?

charles: becaus e not all of us are rich like you , you low paying dirty rotten sob(charles takes hammer and slams it against the building a board come sloose and hits Chalres in the ribs who lets out a loud scream)

hanson: charles i let you go. im sorry, you a good worker but your attitude"

charleS: "huh like youll last 1 week without me!, Here I am busted ribs still working! Is that how you value me?!

Hanson: Again with the ribs?

(Charles storms off)

(charles spends all day walking then comes up with a plan)


(charles talking to himself) charles: yea thats what ill do. ill break in the olseons and steal the money hehehe

(11:00pm)

charles sneaks into olesons mercantile(shirt off), and takes all their money, he runs home, trips on a rock, breaks some more ribs, and surpises caroline who has been looking for him(the next day charles tells caroline they have to go, which upsets her as she has a appointment with Chris the Handyman)

AS THEY PACK TO LEAVE, NELS hanson, teh doc all show up. Charles gets nervous. Hanson tells charles he saw him sneaking out with the money

nels apologizes to charles that he is rich and charles is poor

nels says" keep 50% of what you got charles"

teh doc says ," dont worry charles ill never charge you again"

charles cries and says "what a group of friends."

laura runs home and says "mom we can have eggss everyday its ok"

charles takes out handful of money and says "half-pint well be eating pancakes from now on"

eveyrone laugh and charles smiles and winks at camera

Not bad but tomatoes would have been a rare commodity among mid 19th century pioneers- many of whom still  considered them to be poisonous.

'Caroline, are you trying to do me in mixing in love apples into the eggs?'

Yep, that's what they were called for a long time!

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On 8/6/2023 at 10:45 AM, Fool to cry said:

I would love to see an AI generated Little House episode.

I have to disagree! I mean as hammy and wooden as many of the performances were down the years, the cast DID convey their emotions and helped hone the characters- and having a 'robot Pa' 'robot Laura', 'robot Nellie',etc. would be a rather soulless venture, IMO!

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On 8/10/2023 at 8:00 PM, Blergh said:

I have to disagree! I mean as hammy and wooden as many of the performances were down the years, the cast DID convey their emotions and helped hone the characters- and having a 'robot Pa' 'robot Laura', 'robot Nellie',etc. would be a rather soulless venture, IMO!

Oh I know it's going to be bad, and weird and wonky like all the other AI videos I've seen! I'm just curious if an AI is going to put every trope in. The townspeople in church singing "Ringing in the Sheaves", Nelly bullying, Harriet screeching, Doc Baker being somber, etc. 

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14 hours ago, Fool to cry said:

I'mOh I know it's going to be bad, and weird and wonky like all the other AI videos I've seen! I'm just curious if an AI is going to put every trope in. The townspeople in church singing "Ringing in the Sheaves", Nelly bullying, Harriet screeching, Doc Baker being somber, etc. 

Pa's bare chest and manly tears. 

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8 hours ago, Zella said:

Pa's bare chest and manly tears. 

They'd probably inflate it to Schwarzenegger/Dolly Parton proportions and have the tears appear to be made out of glass!

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2 hours ago, Blergh said:

They'd probably inflate it to Schwarzenegger/Dolly Parton proportions and have the tears appear to be made out of glass!

There will be room for all of Walnut Grove to seek solace in his bosom. 😂

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4 hours ago, Blergh said:

They'd probably inflate it to Schwarzenegger/Dolly Parton proportions and have the tears appear to be made out of glass!

Or he'd be shirtless in random scenes like in church or arguing with Mrs Olson!

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3 hours ago, Fool to cry said:

Or he'd be shirtless in random scenes like in church or arguing with Mrs Olson!

Or to truly excite the audience/ intimidate his foes, AI could have Pa shirtless or even wearing just Native American breechcloths  during formal occasions and stretched to about 7 feet tall which would eliminate the need for his male co-stars to stand in ditches while he's on steps!

Seriously, though, I doubt that his heirs would ever agree to any of the above -regardless of how ML may have wished  in RL to have added a few extra meters to his stature (and possibly have skipped working out ).

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Most of these events are never in the NE where I live but if anyone is interested this page has a list of some of them. I would like to see Alison and if Karen came to CT to sell her book, I'd stop by if I could but most of them left were not on long or babies. Melissa Sue is living her life in Canada but I wouldn't mind meeting her if it wasn't too far.  Sadly, the ones I'd love to have met have long passed. Katherine and Richard (but I can't see her liking it)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/893761798323874/?hoisted_section_header_type=recently_seen&multi_permalinks=947089779657742

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10 hours ago, Superclam said:

A day late, but Ketty Lester turned 89 yesterday! 

I just looked it up, and Bonnie Bartlett appears to be the oldest surviving cast member at 94!

Believe it or not, until last year Katherine MacGregor (1925-2018) was the longest-lived cast member reaching the impressive age of 93 but Miss Bartlett (born 1929) has now taken the lead. I can't help but think Miss MacGregor would have had a good laugh over that thought- and, as per Miss Bartlett's own bio, they'd been friends from as far back as the 1950's when they both were regulars in the soap Love of Life and were happy to reunite on LHOTP !

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While Hester-Sue  never would meet Grace Edwards, I wonder if it's possible that somehow Miss Lester and Miss Bartlett may have become acquainted? It is known that Miss Lester appeared in an episode of St. Elsewhere which Miss Bartlett was a regular so I suppose it's possible!

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98 degrees heat index 117 right now

got me thinking

"Charles wagon breaks down and has to travel 50 miles on foot with no water.....can he make it as he comes across bandits form a bank robbery, orphans left alone, 3 mountain lions looking for something to eat and worse of all, a rude father..... find out on a special episode of "LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRARIE"

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I always wondered how Charles managed to blow dry his hair with no electricity in the Little House. Did he make Half Pint and Mary stand on each side of him with bellows pointed at his head?

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On 8/25/2023 at 11:38 AM, Egg McMuffin said:

I always wondered how Charles managed to blow dry his hair with no electricity in the Little House. Did he make Half Pint and Mary stand on each side of him with bellows pointed at his head?

There'd have been no need for an electric hair dryer or even dual bellows- not with all the all the wind and hot air PA constantly vented!

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I'm off work and it's raining so sorting through clothes to give away and watching LHOP. The one where Albert runs away after helping burn down the blind school. I understand Jonathan saying he was wrong to blame God but why did he keep telling Albert it wasn't his fault, while he kept saying it was? Things happen, saying he forgave him, he didn't mean it, etc but he kept saying, "It wasn't" and he was as wrong as he was blaming God. Just odd to me. They were smoking, stole pipe and left it to smolder. It's not quite the same as when I almost (thank God realized it) put a plug in for Xmas tree and later smelled something fishy. The outlet was faulty and if it did make a fire, I didn't do it recklessly.

Just something I didn't quite catch before. A lot of unbelievable things in the episode but that seemed a bit too glossed over. Forgiveness is wonderful but accepting responsibility is too.

I found myself wondering about the other boy, he wasn't there at dedication from what I saw and his dad seemed the typical mean and gruff parent of other children in WG. He might still be alive.....

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13 hours ago, debraran said:

I'm off work and it's raining so sorting through clothes to give away and watching LHOP. The one where Albert runs away after helping burn down the blind school. I understand Jonathan saying he was wrong to blame God but why did he keep telling Albert it wasn't his fault, while he kept saying it was? Things happen, saying he forgave him, he didn't mean it, etc but he kept saying, "It wasn't" and he was as wrong as he was blaming God. Just odd to me. They were smoking, stole pipe and left it to smolder. It's not quite the same as when I almost (thank God realized it) put a plug in for Xmas tree and later smelled something fishy. The outlet was faulty and if it did make a fire, I didn't do it recklessly.

Just something I didn't quite catch before. A lot of unbelievable things in the episode but that seemed a bit too glossed over. Forgiveness is wonderful but accepting responsibility is too.

I found myself wondering about the other boy, he wasn't there at dedication from what I saw and his dad seemed the typical mean and gruff parent of other children in WG. He might still be alive.....

Not unless his name's Methuselah!

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9 hours ago, Blergh said:

Not unless his name's Methuselah!

lol, yes, but I meant and didn't write it well, that the father killed him when he heard what he did. Those dads all had the etched in gruff/mean look and said "boy" instead of "son" when talking and you could feel the pent up explosive anger. I didn't blame the kid for running and I didn't think you'd see him again.

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23 hours ago, debraran said:

The one where Albert runs away after helping burn down the blind school. I understand Jonathan saying he was wrong to blame God but why did he keep telling Albert it wasn't his fault,

The fire was his fault, but he may have meant the deaths weren't.  There was just so much stupid in that episode.  Albert could have (I'm not saying he did, I know he didn't) have set that fire on purpose not thinking anyone would leave a baby unattended in the middle of a fire.

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Thanks, I've heard her discuss that before, not sure why Michael wanted to get rid of her and the baby, (she could have been hurt but not killed) but I always skip that episode if on. Seemed more glaring than others (except rape) to get ratings boost that week. I didn't blame Melissa Sue for wanting to leave soon after, how much more was she going to do? She wasn't allowed a child, every time they got ahead, they fell back again. She couldn't even share her blindness with Adam anymore.  Michael sometimes listened to costars but wouldn't on this one even though it made no sense at all.

Excerpt from interview with Melissa Sue on that horrible scene:

“Adam bursts through the bedroom door,” Anderson wrote in The Way I See It. “I am still sitting on the edge of the bed, cooing at the baby in the cradle. He urges, ‘Mary, come on. There’s a fire. We have to get the kids out.’ He pulls me with him.”

The Little House alum felt it was unrealistic that a mother would leave her baby’s side in the face of danger.

“I must of had some sort of discussion with Mike [Landon] about this scene because I am right in front of that cradle,” Anderson remarked. “Why don’t I grab the baby when Adam tells me about the fire?”

Despite Anderson’s opinion on the pivotal placement in the scene, Landon kept the original blocking in place.

“These are the kind of arguments you don’t win,” she said. “I must not have, because Mike did not move me to another part of the room where I wouldn’t have been so close to that baby.”

Anderson also disagreed with the scene where Alice goes in to save the infant but is distracted by cries from down the hall and “leaves the baby”.

“Again, I have a real problem with this,” Anderson wrote. “This just would not happen.”

When Alice goes back to rescue the child, she tries to break a window to escape. Some viewers thought she was trying to use the baby to shatter the glass — a scene that is still debated to this day. Both Alice and the baby boy perish in the flames.

After the devastating fire, Mary goes into a catatonic state from grief and spends much of the second part of the plot humming to herself. Anderson admitted she grew weary of the overly dramatic storylines.

“I could tell that the writers were having trouble coming up with ideas for Mary and Adam,” she explained. “You know you’re in trouble when your character is suffering more tragedies than on a soap opera. This was the problem: It was either feast or famine"

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13 hours ago, jird said:

RIP, Hersha.

This is a nice article about her, and even discusses the "baby battering ram." 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/hersha-parady-little-house-prairie-162107252.html

Tragic that she'd had to have dealt with a brain tumor at the end of her life and her son seems to need monies to make up for the end of life expenses.

On a lighter note, I didn't know that she'd been born Betty Sandoff. OK, I can see why she might not have thought that her original name wouldn't have set the performing world on fire. However, I wonder why she  opted to call herself Hersha Parady and did she prefer her loved ones to call her Hersha over Betty? IMO, her full stage name didn't seem to have been much if any improvement . Yet, she always seemed far more intelligent and fun than her iconic LHOTP counterpart in post show interviews!

All the above said, RIP, Miss Parady/Sandoff.

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Watching the sweet one with the orphans. Seemed odd to my daughter, but I told her they separate families even today when adopting 3 might not be doable. Not ideal though. The thought that they felt the boy they wanted would ever just adjust knowing his mute brother was at the orphanage alone was head-shaking sad. So adorable though.

Houston to Mr Ingall's "You don't think separating orphans is right do you? Charles "Of course not" Never met one I didn't take (we'll forget the Sanderson's though)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0633124/mediaviewer/rm1440233472/?ref_=tt_md_6

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2 hours ago, debraran said:

Seemed odd to my daughter, but I told her they separate families even today when adopting 3 might not be doable.

Yeah back in the 70s, one of my grandmother's brothers was not in a good place. He and his wife had 4 kids. Someone needed to take them, but nobody else in the family could afford to take all 4 of them or even had space for that many extra people. The compromise that was reached so that they could still be together as much as possible is one sister who had 3 girls took the 2 girls and the other sister (my grandmother) who had 2 boys took the 2 boys. All the cousins spent a lot of time together, so the siblings all still got to see each other a lot throughout the week. It wasn't as ideal as them all being together, but it was better than the alternative. During another family crisis with that same side of the family, my grandparents had moved into a bigger house and my grandfather's business had taken off, so they took all 4 kids then for a while. 

I agree the potentially adoptive family in that episode is really insensitive and unrealistic to think the kid is going to get over that. 

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6 hours ago, Zella said:

Yeah back in the 70s, one of my grandmother's brothers was not in a good place. He and his wife had 4 kids. Someone needed to take them, but nobody else in the family could afford to take all 4 of them or even had space for that many extra people. The compromise that was reached so that they could still be together as much as possible is one sister who had 3 girls took the 2 girls and the other sister (my grandmother) who had 2 boys took the 2 boys. All the cousins spent a lot of time together, so the siblings all still got to see each other a lot throughout the week. It wasn't as ideal as them all being together, but it was better than the alternative. During another family crisis with that same side of the family, my grandparents had moved into a bigger house and my grandfather's business had taken off, so they took all 4 kids then for a while. 

I agree the potentially adoptive family in that episode is really insensitive and unrealistic to think the kid is going to get over that. 

Yes and they weren't as mean and gruff as the usual adoptive family but I guess in LHOP, they normally don't get to keep the kids. They were I guess just clueless because they were.

The next episode had the blind painter and it wasn't horrible (although it was nice to see Ma sans kids the whole episode) Caroline was used a lot, traveled about and and no mention of Carrie or Grace. I think it was understandable what happened re the adoption but the bio mom's reluctance to tell her daughter she was blind was odd. I guess the show would have ended early but that drama to me was silly. Then everyone kept calling her the "mom" and I felt sorry for her adoptive mom. Maybe bio mom wasn't a term then but even the painting which was sweet of her and her bio mom at the end, nothing was said of the woman who raised her and they never showed her again. I'm sure she loved both but I wish they showed it.

Was nice to have no Laura, little of Charles and more Caroline.

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7 hours ago, Egg McMuffin said:

I don’t remember seeing that one all the way through. So the painter was blind and an orphan? A Landon wet dream.

How did you know he helped write that one and The Silent Cry before it?? 😉

He must have been so excited....at least this young woman was adopted by a kind, albeit older couple who didn't mind she was going blind at 2. Usually they have to go through awful prospects first.

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4 hours ago, Superclam said:

I can skip the Blind Painter one, the Albert has a pen-pal in a wheelchair one, and the message in a bottle one. 

I'm always down for the Nels has an Irish girlfriend one. 

.  I liked seeing the ending with him and Harriet too taking a walk. . I liked seeing her soft underbelly with Preacher takes a Wife with her old beau and some past history   The rest of that episode was ehh though.

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1 hour ago, Superclam said:

The story is fairly mediocre, but the WAY over the top Irish stereotype of Nels' girlfriend gets me every time! 

I meant the preacher one was "ehh", the Irish one was funny enough to make me smile too...her Irish sayings every other sentence. How could Nel's not be drawn in. Well maybe not THIS drawn in.

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The one where Harriet is judging Rev. Oleson for having a romance and the head priest is Patty Duke's father and he used to go out with Harriet? That one's ok. I've only seen it a few times. 

As opposed to "Laura goes up the mountain with Ernest Borgnine" which is on right now, and I've seen 300 times. 

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5 minutes ago, Superclam said:

The one where Harriet is judging Rev. Oleson for having a romance and the head priest is Patty Duke's father and he used to go out with Harriet? That one's ok. I've only seen it a few times. 

As opposed to "Laura goes up the mountain with Ernest Borgnine" which is on right now, and I've seen 300 times. 

That one doesn't hold the appeal anymore except Ernest was from my state/town and I like him. I did like seeing Harriet having a past and how it must have stung that he had a choice to marry but chose not to marry her. Nel's didn't seem to know but she did well with him too.

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