tv echo October 29, 2020 Share October 29, 2020 (edited) The 20 Biggest Arrow TV & Comic Book Differences Ranker Comics Updated June 8, 2020https://www.ranker.com/list/differences-between-arrow-and-green-arrow/ranker-comics Quote 1 ... John Diggle Didn't Even Exist in the Comic ...Comic: Oliver’s trusty bodyguard didn't exist in the comic. However, Green Arrow: Year One writer Andy Diggle’s last name was borrowed for the show as an homage to the creator. Diggle was introduced to the comics during Jeff Lemire and Andrea Sorrentino’s run. * * *2 ... Felicity Smoak Wasn't the Computer Genius on Team Arrow ...Comics: The name Felicity Smoak was actually used for a DC Comics character that appeared in Firestorm comics in 1984 and bears little resemblance to the character on Arrow. This fierce, dark-haired, version was the manager for a software firm and a constant foil to both Firestorm and his civilian identity of Ronnie Raymond. Recently, Arrow executive producer Andrew Kreisberg has introduced a version of Felicity to The New 52 that more resembles Emily Bett Rickards incarnation of the character to the Green Arrow comic. * * *3 ... Thea Queen Is TV Exclusive ...Comics: Thea Queen does not exist in the traditional Green Arrow comic books. However, the creators of Arrow have dropped several hints as to whom Thea might one day become. Oliver's nick name for his little sister is Speedy which alludes the comic book-verison of Green Arrow's sidekick. While training with Malcolm on Corto Maltese, she goes by the first name 'Mia' which could be a reference to Mia Deardon, who took on the Speedy mantle in the comics. * * *4 ... Quentin Lance Was Gotham Beat Cop * * *5 ... Black Canary Redux ...Comics: Sara Lance does not appear in the comics at all. However, Sara being the first Canary and then handing the mantle to Laurel might be an homage to how Dinah Drake trained her daughter, Dinah Lance, to become the next Black Canary. * * *6 ... Slade Wilson Gets A New Backstory * * *7 ... Malcolm Merlyn Becomes More Important To All The Characters * * *8 ... Moira Queen Has Way More To Do on the Show ...Comics: Moira has had little to no presence in the comics. Both she and her late husband, Robert Queen, spend the majority of Green Arrow's stories as only memories to the orphaned crime fighter. * * *9 ... Lian Yu Get's More Screen Time * * *10 ... Green Arrow Shoots Way More Trick Arrows * * *11 ... Green Arrow's Costume Get's An Upgrade * * *12 ... The Suicide Squad Gets Some New Faces * * *13 .... Starling City Got A New Name * * *14 ... Green Arrow: The Social Crusader * * *15 ... Where is Speedy? * * *16 ... Green Arrow's Van Dyke Beard * * *17 ... Batman #244 was Season 3's Mid Season Finale ...Comic: Instead of Green Arrow, it's Batman that challenges Ra's al Ghul to a sword fight to the death in this pivotal Dennis O'Neil/Neal Adam's Batman story. The classic images and plot points were lifted and used mid way through Arrow's third season. * * *18 ... Count Vertigo Gets A New Job As A Drug Dealer * * *19 ... Dinah Laurel Lance: Black Canary Esq. ...Comic: The comic book version of the character (who goes by Dinah instead of Laurel) is a professional hero with little to no law background. Having been trained by her Mother, the original Black Canary, and father Larry Lance, Dinah is a metahuman with stints in the Justice League and Birds of Prey and uses her expertise in martial arts with her super powered Canary Cry to fight evil. * * *20 ... Ray Palmer Becomes A Smooth Billionaire Edited October 29, 2020 by tv echo 1 1 Link to comment
tv echo November 4, 2020 Share November 4, 2020 (edited) Posting only for its favorable mention of Olicity in its introductory paragraph... Top five worst couples in the Arrowverse: Lena-James to Kara-William, all the relationships that didn't work Lakshana Palat Nov. 2, 2020https://meaww.com/arrowverse-top-5-worst-couples-lena-luthor-supergirl-the-flash-caitlin-snow Quote The Arrowverse has created many beloved couples for fans, the most notable being Oliver Queen (Stephen Amell) and Felicity Smoak (Emily Bett Rickards), as well as Barry Allen (Grant Gustin)-Iris West (Candace Patton), and Kara Danvers (Melissa Benoist)-Mon-El (Chris Wood). But the Arrowverse has led to some pretty terrible couples too, that fans just won't stop hating. Here are some of the worst couples in the Arrowverse. Edited November 4, 2020 by tv echo Link to comment
tv echo November 5, 2020 Share November 5, 2020 (edited) 5 worst Arrowverse storylines: Oliver's baby drama to Lena-Kara fights, arcs that hurt the show By Lakshana Palat Nov. 4, 2020https://meaww.com/top-5-worst-arrowverse-storylines-oliver-queen-felicity-drama-lena-luthor-kara Quote Oliver's baby drama ... A child being thrust into the storyline out of the blue to break up the lead pair is far from new. In Season 2 of 'Arrow', it was revealed that Oliver Queen (Stephen Amell) had fathered a child with his old girlfriend. Nothing was expected to come of this, rather than just a nod to the comic book source material. In Season 4, Oliver meets his ex Samantha and her son...who isn't Connor Hawke like in the comics, but someone called William Clayton. Staying true to every dramatic soap, Samantha tells Oliver that he couldn't let anyone know about William's existence, and for some reason, Oliver decided to keep mum. And then, *dun dun dun*, Oliver's love Felicity Smoak (Emily Rickard) finds out and the two have a teary separation. What might work for 'Grey's Anatomy', doesn't quite work for 'Arrow' guys. Kara and William Dey romance SavitarOliver's baby drama Lena Luthor giving Kara the cold shoulder James Olsen becoming Guardian Edited November 5, 2020 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
tv echo November 13, 2020 Share November 13, 2020 (edited) I scored 100%... Arrow: You'll Never Get 100% On This Felicity Smoak Quiz! Rhys Snaith November 12, 2020https://whatculture.com/tv/arrow-youll-never-get-100-on-this-felicity-smoak-quiz Quote Arrow came to an end earlier this year after an incredible eight years. In that time, many characters have come and gone, some soaring into our hearts and others being left by the wayside. However, even Oliver Queen himself might not be able to claim to be as loved on the show as Felicity Smoak. Fans instantly fell in love with her. Outraged in moments of her downfall, like when she lost the use of her legs, but joyous when everything went right for her like when she married Oliver. As long as the show remains in our memories, Felicity Smoak will stand the test of time as one of the most beloved characters not only in Arrow but in the entire Arrowverse. But just how well do you know Felicity? This quiz aims to challenge even the most hardcore fans. Do you think you can score 100%? Time to prove how well you know Miss Smoak and separate the die-hard fans from the casual watchers. Edited November 13, 2020 by tv echo 2 Link to comment
tv echo November 19, 2020 Share November 19, 2020 (edited) I don't know how reliable this source is... EXCLUSIVE: A New Green Arrow Will Be Introduced In HBO Max’s Peacemaker Series EDWARD LAUDER on 16th November 2020 https://www.small-screen.co.uk/exclusive-green-arrow-reboot-hbo-max-peacemaker-series/ Quote It’s been revealed to us by our sources that WarnerMedia is working on a Green Arrow reboot and he’ll be introduced in HBO Max’s Peacemaker series. This comes after the Stephen Amell-lead Arrow show came to an end over at The CW. It’s been reported to us that this version of the Green Arrow will be very different from the Stephen Amell version. According to multiple sources, the idea is to keep the character closer to the comic book version, which isn’t quite as dark as the Amell take on the comic book hero. * * * It was revealed a few weeks back that a Peacemaker series starring John Cena was ordered by HBO Max and that James Gunn would be writing it and directing some of the episodes. * * * Here’s what one of our sources said about the upcoming Peacemaker series and it introducing a new version of the Green Arrow to the DCEU: "WB are about to reboot the Green Arrow for HBO. No casting details as of yet. They intend to introduce him in a HBO Max series and it’s looking like it is going to be Peacemaker. And it will be a major departure from The CW version." This news was then confirmed by multiple sources, with one adding: "This new Green Arrow will be a lot more comic-book accurate than Amell’s version, but with a ‘James Gunn’ twist." Edited November 19, 2020 by tv echo Link to comment
Featherhat November 19, 2020 Share November 19, 2020 Interesting. Well a wise cracking GA seems obvious A) to differentiate it from Arrow and B) because wise cracking comic book heroes are a lot more popular than they were post TDK and pre Avengers when Arrow was in development. Just waiting for the Anti Felicity/Olicity crowd to jump on this even though IF this version had a BC she would also be different and have a completely different dynamic with Oliver as well. That said I have no idea if this has any truth to it. Link to comment
tv echo November 24, 2020 Share November 24, 2020 (edited) Oops... Green Arrow Won't Be Rebooted in HBO Max's Peacemaker, Says James Gunn By Matt Webb Mitovich / November 23 2020https://tvline.com/2020/11/23/green-arrow-reboot-denied-peacemaker-series-james-gunn/ Quote An online rumor about Green Arrow has sailed very wide of hitting the truth. James Gunn on Monday drew his bow and ruthlessly shot down a British website’s report that Peacemaker, his upcoming HBO Max companion series to The Suicide Squad, will reboot the Green Arrow, who of course was most recently played by Stephen Amell on the CW series that launched a hero-verse. “It’s nonsense,” Gunn affirmed on Twitter when presented with the rumor by a fan. The two-part rumor alleged that WarnerMedia is aiming to reboot a more comics-accurate incarnation of Green Arrow (which in and of itself is not true, sources assure TVLine), and that this new Emerald Archer would first be seen in Peacemaker (also quite false). Edited November 24, 2020 by tv echo 2 Link to comment
tv echo November 24, 2020 Share November 24, 2020 (edited) Arrow: The 5 Tallest (& 5 Shortest) Actors In The Cast BY IZAK BULTEN NOVEMBER 23, 2020https://screenrant.com/arrow-actors-tallest-shortest-ranked-height/ Quote Omitting cast members from related Arrowverse shows who only have recurring roles on Arrow itself, these are Arrow's tallest — and shortest — cast members, based on data gathered from their individual IMDb bios. * * *2/10 SHORTEST: Emily Bett Rickards (5'5") Emily Bett Rickards actually made her television debut with Arrow after her audition won the favor of co-star Stephen Amell (who plays Oliver Queen). She plays Felicity Smoak/Overwatch, a 5'5" computer genius whose chance encounter with Queen leads to her becoming one of the founding members of Team Arrow. Since her debut in the series, Rickards has had one or two recognizable movie roles, aside from her other appearances throughout the Arrowverse: she makes an appearance in the romantic period-drama Brooklyn and starred in the dark comedy Funny Story. 10/10 TALLEST: Echo Kellum (6'5") 9/10 TALLEST: Paul Blackthorne (6'4") 8/10 TALLEST: LaMonica Garrett (6'2") 7/10 TALLEST: David Ramsey (6'2") 6/10 TALLEST: Stephen Amell (6'1") 5/10 SHORTEST: Katie Cassidy (5'7") 4/10 SHORTEST: Jack Moore (5'6") 3/10 SHORTEST: Willa Holland (5'6") 2/10 SHORTEST: Emily Bett Rickards (5'5") 1/10 SHORTEST: Katherine McNamara (5'5") Edited November 24, 2020 by tv echo Link to comment
Kymmi November 25, 2020 Share November 25, 2020 I don’t buy that Stephen Amell is 6’1” LOL 2 Link to comment
Featherhat November 25, 2020 Share November 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Kymmi said: I don’t buy that Stephen Amell is 6’1” LOL Heh, no. Watchover podcast did a whole half an hour recently on why SA is 5'9 tops because he's shorter than Jen's husband and Callistawolf and others felt him standing up on his tip toes during a group photo op among other things. Also included that the fact that Alexander Ludwig was going to be the hot tall one on Heels. A lot of men feel the need to lie to get over the 6 mark for various reasons I guess. 1 Link to comment
shantown November 25, 2020 Share November 25, 2020 18 hours ago, Kymmi said: I don’t buy that Stephen Amell is 6’1” LOL Is he for real taller than Grant? That doesn't seem correct? Link to comment
tv echo November 27, 2020 Share November 27, 2020 (edited) Katrina Law on Where Nyssa Should Pop up in the Arrowverse Next Meredith Jacobs November 26, 2020https://www.tvinsider.com/957134/katrina-law-nyssa-arrow-sara-ava-hawaii-five-0/ Quote "Of course I would love to be on Legends of Tomorrow, at least for an episode, just to assess Ava and judge whether or not she's worthy of Sara," Law told TV Insider when discussing her latest Hallmark film, Christmas With the Darlings. "And then I definitely think Nyssa belongs in the Batwoman universe — whether or not that will happen — but I think she can definitely team up with Batwoman." Law appeared as Nyssa in 20 episodes of Arrow, including the series finale in January, and one of Legends of Tomorrow from 2014 to 2020 (so far), and she loved that "every time she popped up, you just knew she was going to stir the pot somehow and then leave with chaos behind her, so that was always fun." For the actress, Arrow "was seven years of my life," she shared. "It just really opened up television shows. Arrow opened up this whole universe onscreen, so to know that I was part of that is amazing." And because of the conventions that she and other cast members have done around the world, they've formed a bond traveling together, with each other and with fans. "It's just such an integral part of my life," she continued. "To know that this all came from a television show and to know we grew it together and then closed it together is quite a special feeling." Edited November 27, 2020 by tv echo Link to comment
Kymmi November 28, 2020 Share November 28, 2020 On 11/25/2020 at 12:15 AM, Featherhat said: Heh, no. Watchover podcast did a whole half an hour recently on why SA is 5'9 tops because he's shorter than Jen's husband and Callistawolf and others felt him standing up on his tip toes during a group photo op among other things. Also included that the fact that Alexander Ludwig was going to be the hot tall one on Heels. A lot of men feel the need to lie to get over the 6 mark for various reasons I guess. I went to a Supernatural con years ago and did a photo op with Jared and Tahmoh Penikett. I’m 5’11” and caught Tahmoh on his tiptoes as well. What a weird thing. Link to comment
tv echo November 29, 2020 Share November 29, 2020 (edited) FYI, the price has gone up since the date of this article... Arrow: The Complete Series Is Now Less Than $100 on Blu-ray and DVD By RUSS BURLINGAME - November 27, 2020 https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/arrow-the-complete-series-is-now-less-than-100-on-blu-ray-and-dv/ Quote Arrow: The Complete Series, which collects all eight seasons of The CW's superhero drama, is currently deeply-discounted on Amazon, with the Blu-ray and DVD both retailing for under $100. The suggested retail on the massive box set, which also includes bonus discs that give fans episodes of other series on The CW which cross over with Arrow for events like "Crisis on Earth-X," "Elseworlds," and "Crisis on Infinite Earths," is $189.99 for Blu-ray or $169.99, with the current retail at Amazon going for $86.67 after a 47% discount and $13.33 instant coupon on Blu-ray and $80 on DVD. * * * Here's the official synopsis for the box set, from Warner Bros. Home Entertainment: Justice hits it's mark! Based on the beloved DC series, Arrow reinvents billionaire Oliver Queen, a “vigilante” archer determined to right the wrongs of those who've corrupted Star City. The Complete Series delivers danger, action and intrigue as the Green Arrow, with the help of Team Arrow, struggles to save their city from diabolical masterminds harboring dark secrets and sinister agendas. Prepare for nonstop action from start to finish with Arrow: The Complete Series on Blu-ray™ and DVD for $189.99 / $169.99 SRP ($249.99 / $229.99 in Canada). The sale price is not explicitly marked as a Black Friday sale, but given how deeply-discounted it is, you're probably better off getting it sooner than later if you can. The $100 price point is also available at Best Buy, but the Amazon coupon codes aren't automatically picked up for price matching. Edited November 29, 2020 by tv echo 2 Link to comment
Featherhat December 1, 2020 Share December 1, 2020 https://www.spoilertv.com/2020/12/cws-arrowverse-david-ramsey-to-return.html Not surprised after his ending in the finale and they're certainly getting their time and money's worth with him quarantining and then crossing over and guest staring on the shows. 1 Link to comment
Chaser December 1, 2020 Share December 1, 2020 Green Lantern Diggle? That sounds like a good deal for DR. I was wondering who would be the first Arrow cast mate back to the Arrowverse. 1 Link to comment
tv echo December 2, 2020 Share December 2, 2020 (edited) From the original Deadline article (for anyone who has trouble accessing above link)... David Ramsey To Direct, Return As John Diggle & Mystery Character In The CW’s Arrowverse By Denise Petski December 1, 2020 https://deadline.com/2020/12/david-ramsey-john-diggle-dc-legends-arrow-the-flash-1234635557/ Quote EXCLUSIVE: David Ramsey (aka John Diggle) will be busy both behind and in front of the camera for the CW. Ramsey, who most recently starred in Arrow as John Diggle/Spartan, will return to direct five episodes in the DC Universe including the new series Superman & Lois, and Supergirl. Additionally, Ramsey will guest star in five episodes across the Arrowverse, returning as fan favorite John Diggle in Superman & Lois, Supergirl, The Flash and Batwoman, along with a mystery role in DC’s Legends of Tomorrow that is being kept under wraps. * * * “I remain in awe of the imprint these shows have had on television and I’ve been blessed for the better part of a decade to be a part of them both in front of and behind the camera,” said Ramsey. “To say I’m excited beyond belief to return to the Berlantiverse would be an understatement. I can’t wait to continue telling these stories.” Edited December 2, 2020 by tv echo 2 Link to comment
tv echo December 6, 2020 Share December 6, 2020 (edited) Crisis on Earth-X Deserves a Place in the "Best Comic Book Movie" Conversation By RUSS BURLINGAME - December 3, 2020https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/crisis-on-earth-x-deserves-a-place-in-the-best-comic-book-movie-/ Quote What are the best comic book movies ever made? Ask anybody on Twitter -- something that happens about once a day, given how prevalent and popular comic book movies have become -- and you'll get the same handful of answers. The Dark Knight. Avengers: Endgame. Logan. Superman: The Movie. You'll get some folks with unconventional answers that still get some love, like Josie and the Pussycats or Road to Perdition. But one that doesn't come up as often as maybe it should, is Crisis on Earth-X. The four-part Arrowverse crossover marks arguably the high water mark of the crossover-event-as-movies dynamic, and is such a smart, cohesive piece that it's likely the best screen treatment many of the characters involved are likely to get in a single, widescreen story. * * * We are hardly the first people to point out that it's a great "superhero movie." But the benefits of the Arrowverse -- the long, emotional connection that fans have with characters that they have been following for five years at that point -- helped it really connect with an audience in a way that's difficult to top. It also features writers who have a fundamental understanding of what makes the characters tick, and what makes them appealing,. that comes with the kind of familiarity years of consistent work breeds (this is also why Marvel movies seem to get better and better as they progress). Similarly, the actors -- who were already pretty well cast for the most part -- are able to access an emotional depth because of their years in the Arrowverse that's rare to any stand-alone movie. * * *Framing the whole thing around the relationships between Barry and Oliver and their respective love interests, "Crisis on Earth-X" gave casual fans an understandable, emotional hook for the story. Arguably, it plays better as a movie than it does as TV, since Barry and Iris got married on an episode of DC's Legends of Tomorrow. They also had to share their wedding with Oliver and Felicity, which is cute when you're making a movie and Oliver and Barry's relationship is at the core of it...less cute when fans of each pair of characters have been invested in these nuptials for five years. And, like Infinity War or Endgame, "Crisis on Earth-X" has significant roles for the various members of the Legends team, which is a rarity for these crossovers, where it's generally just Sara and Ray who get a lot of play. The Firestorm storyline that anchors the final act of the "movie" is smart and heartfelt, and understandable at first glance to people who don't watch the show but understand a tortured father-son dynamic when they see it. Is "Crisis on Earth-X" really comparable to the established classics of the genre? Well, your mileage may vary. For some fans, the Arrowverse has become "their" version of live-action DC, and not withotu some reason. Not everyone is going to put this up there with Logan and Avengers, but when the debates start to swirl for the millionth time, "Crisis on Earth-X" deserves at least a place in the discussion. Edited December 6, 2020 by tv echo 5 Link to comment
tv echo December 13, 2020 Share December 13, 2020 (edited) BL revealed his lack of contractual commitment to the GA spinoff (while doing promo for his new movie)... The Christmas Setup's Ben Lewis Previews Lifetime's LGBTQ+ Christmas Movie, Talks Arrow Spinoff's Future By Vlada Gelman / December 11 2020https://tvline.com/2020/12/11/the-christmas-setup-ben-lewis-preview-lifetime-lgbtq-movie-arrow-spinoff/ Quote TVLINE | I have to ask: What have you heard about the potential Green Arrow and the Canaries spinoff status? I haven’t heard anything about it in quite a while. I was always sort of a little bit out of the loop because I was not contractually attached to it the way that Katie [Cassidy] and Juliana [Harkavy] and Kat [McNamara] were, so I don’t really know. That’s another group that had such great chemistry, and I would never say no to the opportunity to work with them again. But it’s been over a year now. I don’t know. You would have to ask them about the status of it. But if it ever happens, I would be thrilled, because I love those women. TVLINE | Your character was kidnapped last we saw, so we need a little resolution to that. I know! It would be so sad if that was the last time that you ever saw William. I think he deserves a lot better, and I was constantly pushing, particularly in the last season and when we were talking about the spinoff, for him to have a love interest. I would love to see that. I would love to see how William Clayton spent the holidays with his partner. [Laughs] TVLINE | Well, the network hasn’t said for sure that they’ve passed on it, so there’s a sliver of hope. Yeah, I don’t think anything is official. It feels like if there was forward momentum with it, that the pandemic, obviously, threw a wrench in that, as it has with numerous, countless things. I loved playing that character. I was actually thinking about Arrow in relation to this Lifetime experience, and how privileged I feel, in the last couple years, that I’ve been able to represent a queer storyline in more traditional heteronormative institutions, like with a superhero show and, in this case, with the holiday movies. It’s not lost on me how privileged I am to have that opportunity and to have been given both of these platforms. I feel very grateful. TVLINE | Perhaps, The Christmas Setup is William’s life on another Earth. Oh, my God, I would love to think that. [Laughs] There are definitely similarities, which are similarities to me as well, which is that they’re both relatively coiffed and relatively klutzy. I guess that’s just what I bring to both of those worlds and those characters. Edited December 13, 2020 by tv echo 1 1 Link to comment
tv echo December 13, 2020 Share December 13, 2020 (edited) Who and what we lost in 2020: From notable artists to Chicago experiences, they’re gone or changed but not forgotten By RICK KOGAN CHICAGO TRIBUNE DEC 11, 2020 https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ct-ent-notable-deaths-lost-2020-chicago-20201211-vvrchjotxvdi7nlmjcj7y6cu6u-story.html Quote Last year at this time, my colleagues and I were asked to look back on a decade and tell you what things or places or people had vanished, erased by death or otherwise trampled into memories. We did so, not by providing endless lists (which would have been quite possible) but rather by limiting our “selections” to but a few. Yes, there was some sadness in reading, in feeling the losses. But there was some surprising comfort too and some insight into the way at least some of us think. Things change. People die. Life goes on and as the future offers who-know-what, our memories can provide some comfort and maybe even a smile and the hope for tomorrows to come. The following are from some of the Tribune’s writers and critics for 2020. * * *From Darcel Rockett, who writes about arts and culture: * * *“Arrow”: The CW TV series “Arrow” ended after eight seasons, the DC hero took his final bow. It was a hard for fans of Oliver Queen and Felicity Smoak, aka “Olicity,” to say goodbye. Queen (Stephen Amell) matured from playboy to vigilante to father figure to savior of the world — a superhero forged from adversity. For fans of the man who made the salmon ladder look easy, it was a bittersweet ending that you hated to see come. Edited December 13, 2020 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
tv echo December 16, 2020 Share December 16, 2020 (edited) 'Fortnite' Marvel and DC Leaked Skins: Black Panther, Green Arrow, and MORE—Would there be a 'Marvel vs. DC' Battle Royale? By Isaiah Alonzo 15 December 2020 https://www.techtimes.com/articles/255093/20201215/fortnite-marvel-dc-leaked-skins-black-panther-green-arrow-more—would.htm Quote The famous battle royale game from Epic Games, "Fortnite," is back again with the comic book character skins, with Marvel and DC dawning in the coming weeks or months to come for players to purchase. Leaks caught wind of the new skin sets that would come to the platform featuring three from the Marvel Universe and DC's comics. * * * Also, from "Fortnite," leaker is a skin from the other spectrum of the comic book giants, DC or Detective Comics. However, this character's skin would release the modern version from the popular CW series "Arrow" led by Stephen Amell. The skin was first discovered by a fellow "Fortnite" insider called (@arusaurZ_YT), which "ShiiinaBR" shared on his account. Edited December 16, 2020 by tv echo 2 Link to comment
tv echo December 24, 2020 Share December 24, 2020 (edited) Oliver Queen's Crisis Role Was Joked About In Arrow Season 1 BY NICHOLAS RAYMOND DECEMBER 24, 2020https://screenrant.com/arrow-oliver-spectre-season-1-joke-master-universe/ Quote A joke in Arrow season 1 teased Oliver Queen’s role in “Crisis on Infinite Earths.” Stephen Amell’s Green Arrow is responsible for the survival of the multiverse in the 2019-2020 Arrowverse crossover event. What he did was the culmination of an eight-year journey in the Arrowverse. * * * What Oliver ended up doing was actually joked about in Arrow season 1. In what was only the show’s second episode, Oliver paid a visit to Laurel’s apartment to share some ice cream. While there, Oliver told her that Moira (Susanna Thompson) wanted him to take his “rightful place” at Queen Industries. In response, Laurel (Katie Cassidy) said she couldn’t picture him as the “master of the universe.” Her choice of words here is interesting, considering that they’re an accurate description of what Oliver became in “Crisis on Infinite Earths.” As the Spectre, Oliver reshaped reality, brought people back to life who were once dead, and altered key events in his own history. Laurel made this comment about him being the "master of the universe" in season 1, completely unaware of what the future held for him. No one in his life (not even David Ramsey’s Diggle) were even aware that he was a vigilante, and certainly never would have guessed that he’d one day engineer the rebirth of the multiverse. It’s important to note that even though the Arrowverse may have been building up to the Crisis for a long time before it ever happened, the newfound meaning in Laurel’s joke could not have been an intentional reference to his Crisis fate. Even those who created Arrow didn’t realize that his story would take him that far. After all, Arrow was initially a grounded show devoid of super-powered characters. Oliver fighting the Flash, aliens, doppelgängers from alternate timelines, and evil cosmic beings like the Anti-Monitor were never part of the original plan. These were things that added to Oliver’s Arrow story in an organic way as his world expanded and his destiny became clearer with time. Though it couldn’t have been planned this way from the start, the way Oliver progressed and grew as a character made his actions in “Crisis on Infinite Earths” a fitting end for him. Edited December 24, 2020 by tv echo Link to comment
tv echo December 26, 2020 Share December 26, 2020 (edited) DC Rethinks Its Universe By Abraham Riesman December 25, 2020https://www.vulture.com/2020/12/dc-wonder-woman-movie-strategy-universe.html Quote It’s DC Entertainment in microcosm: When it comes to movies, there’s chronic bad buzz; elsewhere, things are going swimmingly. Once known as DC Comics, a 2009 restructuring made the Warner Bros.–owned company more than just a comics publisher — they now also work in coalition with the rest of Warner to produce superhero content in TV, games, consumer products, and films. Their comics are in a sales renaissance, thanks to a recent initiative called Rebirth. DC TV shows like Gotham, Arrow, and The Flash enjoy meaty ratings and fan loyalty. DC video games like the Injustice and Batman: Arkham franchises are considered some of the best the medium has to offer. Hell, even a partnership with Warner’s consumer-products division is bearing fruit: the DC Super Hero Girls toy line has turned into a miniature empire complete with animated web cartoons and a New York Times–best-selling book. * * * So, largely shut out from the big screen, Johns and Nelson focused on the small. There, they found salvation in the form of an embittered veteran of Green Lantern. Screenwriter and TV showrunner Greg Berlanti, of Dawson’s Creek and Everwood fame, had co-written the initial passes at the Lantern script and had been set to direct before he was reassigned to another Warner feature and lost control. He was understandably displeased with the finished product and nearly walked away from Warner for good. In a last-ditch effort to hold on to him, Johns, as well as TV execs Peter Roth and Susan Rovner, reached out to Berlanti and encouraged him to pitch a blue-sky idea. A lifelong DC Comics geek, Berlanti said he had been kicking around the notion of adapting the archery-themed crusader Green Arrow. He got the go-ahead, and he and co-producers Marc Guggenheim and Andrew Kreisberg got to hammer out what went on to become the CW’s Arrow. They would get near-total creative freedom, and there was no talk of tying in to the DC film universe. The show debuted on the CW on October 10, 2012, and within days, it had a full-series order. Johns didn’t just advise creatively, he also wrote episodes for it, and eventually started scheming with Berlanti and Kreisberg to create a spinoff series about DC staple the Flash. It debuted on October 7, 2014, and represented Johns’s biggest involvement in TV yet. A so-called Berlantiverse started to emerge in the next few years, with two more shows set in the same shared cosmos: Supergirl and DC’s Legends of Tomorrow. The shows have earned booming praise from fans, built on a guiding philosophy of, as Berlanti Productions president Sarah Schechter puts it, “heart, humor, and spectacle.”* It’s working — Berlantiverse shows regularly top the ratings charts at the CW. Edited December 26, 2020 by tv echo Link to comment
tv echo January 2, 2021 Share January 2, 2021 (edited) 12 DC Characters Who Were Wasted In The Arrowverse Ashley Tuchin January 2, 2021https://whatculture.com/tv/12-dc-characters-who-were-wasted-in-the-arrowverse Quote 9. Connor Hawke ... Oh boy, poor Connor Hawke. Here's another character, much like Doctor Light, who has had an unusual history of adaptation in the Arrowverse. You see, Connor is a pretty significant character in the comic book world, being the son of Oliver Queen, and being the second person to take on the Green Arrow mantle. Now, if somebody told you that a Connor Hawke character and Oliver's son were both introduced into the Arrowverse, you'd assume they were one and the same person, right? Well, you'd be wrong. That's right, for some unknown reason, those rascals behind Arrow decided to introduce Oliver's long-lost son, only to name him William Clayton. Then, creating further confusion, Connor was introduced in Legends of Tomorrow when the Waverider crew took a trip to Star City, 2046. Only, rather than being Oliver's son, he was John Diggle's. Things continued to get more confusing further down the track, as the writers flip-flopped between making Connor the biological or adoptive son of Diggle. It was all pretty moot though, as this version of Hawke served little except for a bit of fan service and to try and help set up an Arrow spin-off called Green Arrow and the Canaries. However, since said show was set to feature an adult William, as well as Oliver's Arrowverse daughter Mia in the role of the new Green Arrow, one can't help but wonder why they couldn't have streamlined things by just giving us the Connor Hawke/Green Arrow of the comics. * * *7. Ragman ... Season Five of Arrow saw an influx of new characters, as Oliver trained up a group of new vigilantes to join his crusade. One such hero was Rory Reagan, a.k.a. Ragman. While this version of the character was quite different to most comic book interpretations, the Ragman of the Arrowverse was still shown to be incredibly powerful, utilising ancient rags imbued with mystical powers. This easily made him one of the most formidable members of Team Arrow and one of the very few to actually possess superhuman abilities - which is why it is understandable, yet also an incredible shame, that Rory was swiftly written out from the show, never to be seen again. Rory's primary reason for being seems to have been to create tension with Felicity, given that his hometown of Havenrock was destroyed partially due to her actions. Besides this, his mystical powers made him the clear heavy hitter of the team, with his Devarim Rags being able to withstand all sorts of abuse, including gunshots and, oh yeah, a nuclear bomb! Despite being such an asset to Team Arrow, Rory made a swift exit from the show after said nuclear incident, which sapped his rags of their power. Even without his comic book power of collecting wicked souls within his rags, Ragman was still an incredibly powerful and interesting character. It's just a darned shame that they never managed to do anything more with him. 12. Most Of The Legends 11. Dr. Alchemy 10. Doctor Light9. Connor Hawke 8. Count Vertigo 7. Ragman 6. Wild Cat 5. Captain Cold 4. The Rogues 3. The Justice Society Of America 2. Geo-Force/Dr. Brion Markov 1. Wally West Edited January 2, 2021 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
tv echo January 4, 2021 Share January 4, 2021 (edited) Most pirated TV shows of 2020 Jan Vermeulen 4 January 2021https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/381356-most-pirated-tv-shows-of-2020.html Quote The following table shows the top 10 most pirated TV shows of 2020, according to TorrentFreak: Rank Last year Show title 1 (3) The Mandalorian 2 N/A The Boys 3 N/A Westworld 4 (4) Vikings 5 N/A Star Trek: Picard 6 (8) Rick and Morty 7 (6) Walking Dead 8 N/A The Outsider9 (10) Arrow 10 (7) The Flash Edited January 4, 2021 by tv echo Link to comment
tv echo January 4, 2021 Share January 4, 2021 (edited) Arrow: Each Main Character's First and Last Lines In The Series BY DREW ATCHISON JANUARY 3, 2021https://screenrant.com/arrow-main-characters-first-last-lines/ Quote 5/10 Laurel Lance/Black Canary/Black Siren ... First: "If we can't win a class action suit against a man whose swindled hundreds of people out of their homes and life savings then we're not fit to call ourselves a legal aid office." Again, not every first line used is going to be golden, especially with Laurel Lance. Shown to be an uptight lawyer who once dated Oliver, hate for Laurel halted when she became the Black Canary, an alter ego who's spawned dozens of hilarious memes. The hate rose again when Laurel died and a villainous doppelganger took her place. Last: "So it must be strange seeing me." This new Laurel, Black Siren, slowly took on the same attributes of old Laurel, becoming a similar person. She gave up her evil ways and became the Black Canary up until the series end with those final words complimenting her change. * * *3/10 Felicity Smoak/Overwatch ... First: "Of course. I know who you are, you're Mr.Queen." There are times when accidents can happen with a show for the better, like with tech whiz Felicity Smoak. Felicity was originally meant to be a one-off character but due to her quirky yet pleasing first appearance, fans fell in love with her character. Last: "Well, that would be in the IT department seven floors down." As such, Felicity became a series regular, evolving from a regular tech whiz to the team's "Overwatch." She'd go on to commit some terrible acts and have a few horrible moments among some good and eventually marrying Oliver. In the series finale, Felicity even remarks on how funny it is that they're still together, given how they first met by her account. * * *2/10 John Diggle/Spartan ... First: "Diggles good. Dig if you want." It's always the side characters who end up becoming those audiences care so much about. The very first-time viewers met John Diggle, he, like his name, seemed like a simple bodyguard who would never know Oliver's secret. Last: "Cause if the past eight years have shown us anything, it's that this universe is far bigger than any of us could've dared imagined. Even if it is a little less bright without him in it." Flashforward eight years and Diggle's fighting alongside the man he now considers to be his brother and moonlighting as a vigilante, Spartan. He even gives one of the best lines of the series finale as an eulogy for Oliver, fully cementing the change he went through from season one to the finale. * * *1/10 Oliver Queen/Green Arrow .... First: "The name of the island they found me on is Lian Yu. It's Mandarin for Purgatory." Who would've thought that those words would stick with audiences for the years to come? Oliver Queen began his journey much like how he was found on Lian Yu, stuck in Purgatory and always seemingly stuck in a constant fight. Last: "It's a long story. Lucky for us, we have all the time in the world for me to tell it to you." However, while Oliver spent five years in Hell (one of the many times audiences felt bad for Oliver despite some of the moments that made them hate him), he spent the next eight saving his city, making friends and allies, and dying for the cause. Those final words of him cheerfully telling Felicity they have all the time in the world is the perfect note to end the series on. 10/10 Slade Wilson/Deathstroke 9/10 Malcolm Merlyn/Dark Archer 8/10 Moira Queen 7/10 Roy Harper/Arsenal 6/10 Quentin Lance 5/10 Laurel Lance/Black Canary/Black Siren 4/10 Thea Queen/Speedy 3/10 Felicity Smoak/Overwatch 2/10 John Diggle/Spartan 1/10 Oliver Queen/Green Arrow Edited January 4, 2021 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
tv echo January 7, 2021 Share January 7, 2021 (edited) Why The Arrowverse Ignored The Comics Less Than The DCEU BY MATT MORRISON January 1, 2021https://screenrant.com/dceu-arrowverse-comics-more-accurate-why/ Quote When Arrow first premiered in 2012, nobody would have predicted that it would become the center of a shared universe encompassing every comic book show ever based on a DC Comics' property. At first, Arrow seemed to take far more stylistic inspiration from Christopher Nolan's Batman films than the Green Arrow comics. To this day, fans of the swashbuckling, wise-cracking Oliver Queen of the comics still derisively refer to Stephen Amell's survivalist take on the character as "Green Batman." There are also a large number of Black Canary fans who despise the show for the changes it made to the character of Dinah Lance which resulted in multiple versions of Black Canary coming into existence and Oliver Queen eventually marrying Felicity Smoak; an original character created for Arrow, whose name was taken from a supporting character in the Firestorm comics. Despite this rough start, Arrow came to utilize more material from the comics that inspired it after its freshman season. Many cite Arrow season 2 as one of its best, due to a storyline that pitted Oliver Queen against Slade "Deathstroke" Wilson; one of his frequent antagonists in the comics. Despite a number of liberties taken in establishing villains such as Brother Blood and Ravager and a new background for Deathstroke, comic readers began to embrace Arrow as it became apparent the showrunners were not ashamed of the source material. This became readily apparent as Arrow season 2 went on and the show began utilizing more obscure concepts and characters from the comics (such as its take on the Suicide Squad) and setting the stage for a spinoff series centered around Flash. This presented a marked contrast from Man of Steel, which ignored the style and tone of the Superman comics to present a darker take on the character. * * * The reason for the Arrowverse's success can be traced back to Batman: The Animated Series, which is still seen by many as the definitive interpretation of Batman in any medium. The cartoon was written by some of the same writers responsible for writing the Batman and Detective Comics series throughout the 1960s and 1970s, such as Len Wein, Denny O'Neil, Gerry Conway and Martin Pasko. All of the Arrowverse series were likewise overseen by producers with a background in comic book creation, like Geoff Johns and Marc Guggenheim, and written by experienced comic book writers such as Sterling Gates, Benjamin Raab, Marv Wolfman and Geoff Johns himself. Edited January 7, 2021 by tv echo Link to comment
tv echo January 8, 2021 Share January 8, 2021 (edited) Katherine McNamara On Her Wildly Different Role In "The Stand," And Saying Goodbye To "Shadowhunters" And "Arrow" by Nora Dominick January 7, 2021https://www.buzzfeed.com/noradominick/katherine-mcnamara-27-questions-interview Quote To celebrate The Stand, Katherine sat down with us to chat about everything — like the best piece of advice she got from Angela Lansbury while on Broadway, which Shadowhunters moment she's most proud of, the final days of filming Arrow, and how her role in The Stand came about. Here's everything we learned: * * *21. What aspects of Clary from Shadowhunters, Mia from Arrow, and even Julie from The Stand were you able to personally identify with? As far as Clary, she has this undying sense of hope, and this loyalty to the people that she loves. She will literally do anything, risk anything, for them. While I've never been in such dire situations as Clary, I do the same thing, I really give my whole heart to the people that I love. I'm a stubborn optimist. As far as Mia goes, she is a survivor, and she's a fighter, and she will not give up when it comes to anything, no matter how much work it takes. That's sort of akin to my own work ethic. When it comes to Julie, there's not a lot that I relate to her on, but she loves a good pair of shoes, which I also love a good pair of shoes. She really does try to live life to the fullest and that's something that I aspire to do, not in the same way that she does, but in a much more productive and constructive way. * * *23. Do you remember what the last scene you filmed for Arrow was? One of the last scenes I filmed was actually with Ben Lewis, who played my brother William, and it was the scene where the two of us are talking about the rock and looking up at the statue of our father. I love Ben so much. He'd been there since my first day on the Arrow set and he really is like my big brother. I adore him and I'm just so proud of him and everything he's doing. But the last last scene I shot was actually a pickup [for the Arrow series finale]. It's the scene when Mia goes back to the future through the portal after being in 2020. She's standing there looking at her father's statue and then steps back through and kind of leaves it all behind. It was very interesting because I was the only cast member left on set and at that point we didn't really know the future for Mia, and Mia's very much in the same place. It's very bittersweet to get to shoot those scenes that are all too real at the very end of a process. Edited January 8, 2021 by tv echo Link to comment
statsgirl January 8, 2021 Share January 8, 2021 On 1/4/2021 at 6:22 PM, tv echo said: Arrow: Each Main Character's First and Last Lines In The Series BY DREW ATCHISON JANUARY 3, 2021 Quote Laurel Lance/Black Canary/Black Siren ... hate for Laurel halted when she became the Black Canary, an alter ego who's spawned dozens of hilarious memes. The hate rose again when Laurel died and a villainous doppelganger took her place. * * * 3/10 Felicity Smoak/Overwatch ... As such, Felicity became a series regular, evolving from a regular tech whiz to the team's "Overwatch." She'd go on to commit some terrible acts and have a few horrible moments among some good and eventually marrying Oliver. In the series finale, Felicity even remarks on how funny it is that they're still together, given how they first met by her account. I always find it interesting when biases show up in writing Personally I liked Laurel less when a few boxing lessons led to her being the Black Canary, and liked her more when the Black Siren showed up. Setting aside the Black Siren, I'd argue that Laurel performed quite a few "terrible acts" of her own. The Black Siren was a psychopath. I don't remember Felicity remarking on how funny it is that she are Oliver are still together. Did she mean the team as a whole, or just the two of them? 2 Link to comment
shantown January 8, 2021 Share January 8, 2021 ‘Arrow’ Spinoff ‘Green Arrow and The Canaries’ Not Going Forward At the CWhttps://deadline.com/2021/01/arrow-spinoff-green-arrow-and-the-canaries-dead-not-going-forward-the-cw-the-100-prequel-tbd-still-alive-1234667542/ Not surprising, but at least it's confirmation finally 2 Link to comment
Featherhat January 8, 2021 Share January 8, 2021 (edited) Not at all surprising. It's been dead for a while but at least it's confirmation. Interesting that apparently the 100 spin off is still in contention for pick up though. I would have watched but I can't say they hybrid nature really appealed to me and the fact that FTA weren't going to be regulars, or at least hadn't been contracted yet really soured me. Edited January 8, 2021 by Featherhat 1 Link to comment
tv echo January 10, 2021 Share January 10, 2021 (edited) Arrow: 10 Most Disappointing Episodes Ever Sam Nicholson January 9, 2021https://whatculture.com/tv/arrow-10-most-disappointing-episodes-ever Quote 6. Season 4 Episode 18: Eleven Fifty Nine ... Laurels death is the focal point of why this episode falls flat on its face. The entire season had built up to a death of a main character, with multiple episodes teasing deaths, such as Felicity almost being killed in episode 9. It came as a thudding disappointment, that the character they chose to kill was the least interesting, and the one with barely any focus in season 4. The execution of the death was somehow worse than its concept. Laurel was stabbed very uneventfully, but it looked like she would live, as the doctors had her in surgery. However, she suddenly dies with no reason or warning. It comes across as a bad joke. The rest of the episode doesn't help matters. Poor choreography, hammy acting, and a hopelessly predictable plot twist, bog down an already doomed story. This could've been a highlight of the entire show, but unfortunately ends up as one of its lowest points. * * *2. Season 8 Episode 8: Crisis On Infinite Earths Part 4 ... The first big problem was announcing that Oliver would die at the end of Season 7. This devalued the emotional impact of the scene before the true setup had even begun. The next issue, is that the final story of Oliver Queen was a crossover. His death needed focus and time, and splintering the focus over 4 other shows made his death feel rushed. The main issue, is how it all happened. Oliver dies in the first episode; an episode of Supergirl. It was surprising, but too sudden, and didn't feel earned. The death ended up having no impact, because he was revived in the very next episode. When the crossover got around to the Arrow episode, Oliver becomes a god with ludicrous power, and dies a second time, for good this time. All of this feels so alien when compared to the core show, so when Oliver finally dies, it feels hollow and emotionless. The rest of the episode isn't even that bad; it's pretty good. There's some entertaining time travel scenes, a brilliant cameo, and a visually engaging final battle. Unfortunately, Oliver's messily written death looms over the episode like a dark cloud, and makes it one of the most disappointing offerings of the entire show. 10. Season 7 Episode 14: Brothers And Sisters 9. Season 6 Episode 21: Docket No.11-19-41-73 8. Season 4 Episode 8: Legends Of Yesterday 7. Season 5 Episode 10: Who Are You? 6. Season 4 Episode 18: Eleven Fifty Nine 5. Season 3 Episode 14: The Return 4. Season 4 Episode 13: Sins Of The Father 3. Season 3 Episode 23: My Name Is Oliver Queen 2. Season 8 Episode 8: Crisis On Infinite Earths Part 4 1. Season 6 Episode 1: Fallout Edited January 10, 2021 by tv echo Link to comment
Trisha January 12, 2021 Share January 12, 2021 TV Line has a bit more on why it took so long to announce the fate of the spinoff: Quote Is there any chance that HBO Max (or anyone, as unlikely as it seems) might pick up Green Arrow and the Canaries? –Amit Nope. The HBO Max option was already thoroughly explored, I hear, especially as leadership shifted over there — and that is why the final “cancellation” decision took as long as it did. No dice. Link to comment
tv echo January 15, 2021 Share January 15, 2021 (edited) Just FYI... The Arrowverse's Big Crossover Isn't Happening After All, And More Bad News LAURA HURLEY JAN. 14. 2021https://www.cinemablend.com/television/2561475/the-arrowverse-cancels-the-big-2021-crossover-and-more-bad-news-batwoman Quote The Arrowverse superhero universe is the dominant force on The CW when it comes to sheer numbers, with six shows to its name already and more on the way in 2021. Now, however, it turns out that the remaining shows of the Arrowverse won't be coming together for a multi-part crossover after all in the 2020-2021 TV season despite earlier plans. And that's not even all the bad news! * * * The previous plan for a multi-show crossover this season would have been for an event considerably smaller than the five-part "Crisis On Infinite Earths" crossover that brought Arrow to an end while adding Black Lightning to the Arrowverse last season. The goal was for a two-parter between Batwoman in its second season and Superman & Lois in its first season, with characters coming in from the other Arrowverse series without those series actually getting crossover episodes. Unsurprisingly, the cancellation of the 2020-2021 crossover has everything to do with why production on all the Arrowverse series was late getting started: the COVID-19 pandemic. Even a crossover on such a small scale compared to last year's "Crisis" event isn't safe under pandemic protocols. Batwoman showrunner Caroline Dries explained why the absence of a crossover this year is even worse news that it may seem at first, telling TVLine: "We’re not really able to cross over because physically, we can’t cross crews due to the fear of exposure to COVID. So if Supergirl weren’t ending this year, I would say there would be more of a possibility. But I’m afraid that at least this year, we’re not going to be able to tap into that dynamic." Edited January 15, 2021 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
tv echo January 15, 2021 Share January 15, 2021 (edited) The CW Boss Mark Pedowitz On Launching New Season In January, Stacked Summer & Fall 2021 Plans By Peter White, Nellie Andreeva January 14, 2021https://deadline.com/2021/01/the-cw-mark-pedowitz-on-2021-new-season-launch-summer-fall-2021-plans-renewals-cancelations-the-flash-riverdale-swamp-thing-1234673373/ Quote The exec also played down the potential of another season of Arrow, which ended after eight seasons in January. Stephen Amell, who played the titular character, revealed earlier this year that he spoke to Greg Berlanti about making a ninth season of the show due to the Covid shutdown of his Starz show Heels. “I’m a big fan of Stephen’s,” said Pedowitz. “He made a determination by himself that he was ready to move on. I always look forward to Stephen come back in some form on The CW but he’s busy doing a wrestling show right now.” Edited January 15, 2021 by tv echo Link to comment
tv echo January 16, 2021 Share January 16, 2021 (edited) Kat McNamara Takes The Stand BY REBECCA LEWIS JAN 15, 2021https://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a35216925/kat-mcnamara-the-stand-interview/ Quote The [Shadowhunters] show ran for three years before its cancellation, and a viral worldwide fan campaign launched in the hopes of saving the show. But by that point, McNamara had joined another project with another loud fanbase, Arrow. The show is the main installment in an "Arrowverse" that includes Supergirl, The Flash, and Batwoman. It promoted McNamara to series regular in season 7, and a backdoor pilot for a spin-off show focusing on her character Mia Smoak aired in Arrow’s eighth season. News that Arrow would not get a season 9 was confirmed last week, but McNamara teases that “no one is ever really gone, and I know I am not done with Mia Smoak—if they ask me, I would be back in a heartbeat.” But what she does know is that navigating a fandom (or three) must come with boundaries. “Being part of shows like Shadowhunters and Arrow taught me that you have to realize there’s a clear separation between what happens in the digital world and the real world,” she says. “It’s wonderful that the world can be connected, but we have to remember to appreciate the reality of the people sitting here with us.” Yet social media kept much of the world sane this year, and for McNamara, it also gave her work. She began reaching out to and making friends with her peers and other creatives—“people I probably never would have had the chance to talk to otherwise”—and old friends approached her about joining new projects. * * * As for what’s next in McNamara’s career, she says she’s always had a mind to direct, but doesn’t know if that will happen this early in her career. She shadowed her directors on Arrow, and worked closely with the Shadowhunters crew, learning as much about their process as possible. Now, she wants “a seat at the creative table.” * * * Last year was a “test of patience” for the TV star, she admits—she planned to have wrapped at least four new projects by December, all of which were placed on hold. “My biggest fear is not utilizing every opportunity that has come my way,” she says. “My whole career has been this series of jumping in with both feet and taking chances that just happen to come up, taking leaps of faith and seeing what happens, and it has served me well, so I don't want that momentum to stop.” Edited January 16, 2021 by tv echo Link to comment
tv echo January 17, 2021 Share January 17, 2021 (edited) KM's comments about Arrow... Katherine McNamara knows no limit Zelda Williams January 14, 2021https://grumpymagazine.com/2021/01/14/kat-mcnamara/ Quote Kat — as many refer to her — was interviewed by fellow industry friend Zelda Williams on New Year’s Eve. The two of them met at their first Upfronts for Freeform in 2016, when Katherine was promoting the first season of Shadowhunters while Zelda was attending the event for her show Dead of Summer. As a horror movie enthusiast, Zelda directed and produced Kappa Kappa Die in which Katherine made a brief — but memorable — appearance, as she recalled happily that she was shooting Arrow in Vancouver and flew to Los Angeles for a day to get murdered with a Jello shot. Throughout the friendly conversation full of positive energy, Katherine reflected on the hugely different year 2020 has been for her, staying creative and busy during quarantine, and successfully going from hero to villain on-screen. * * *ZW: Was there a break between when you ended up going to Arrow? Because then you’re coming into a show that has been established for many years. That must have been a very different experience. KM: It was a hugely different experience, but sort of the biggest gift because there was really no break — maybe a month or two. And I was doing Comic-Cons between the two jobs. But when you come off the job [that has] become such a huge part of your life, there’s a mourning period that happens afterward when you realize that you don’t get to be a part of the story that you’ve been telling anymore. But at the time, I watched six seasons of Arrow in order to figure out how to be the child of these two characters and all of that. It really gave me something to focus on constructively, and not just sit there and look back at Shadowhunters photos. ZW: With the Arrow universe and the Shadowhunters universe, you obviously played two badasses. I suppose I wouldn’t call Shadowhunters dystopic, but you were certainly dystopic in Arrow. Do you think that’s something that’s going to continue with you? Because it certainly continued with The Stand. KM: It’s interesting you bring that up because right before Shadowhunters, I had done The Maze Runner, which is another iteration of a dystopian world destroyed by a disease. It’s never something I even considered before. When I started Shadowhunters, I didn’t know how to throw a punch, how to hold a sword. I was really fortunate to have amazing stunt coordinators that trained me five times a week. The folks on Shadowhunters taught me everything I know and I owe them so much because I never thought I could have any modicum of physical strength that was significant given my size. They showed me that no matter what size or shape you are, if you train for your body type and you learn how to do things the proper way, you actually can. It was oddly the moment in the industry as well [of] this resurgence of the strong, developed badass female character. I feel really fortunate to have been a part of that. But moving forward, my favorite part of my job is that I get to be a chameleon and I hope to continue to diversify. Edited January 17, 2021 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
tv echo January 18, 2021 Share January 18, 2021 (edited) Quote “Burned” is the first real snoozer of Season 1, which kind of sets up the tradition of episode 10-15 slumps Arrow suffered nearly every season. This has less to do with Arrow and more to do with it being a twenty three episode series. There’s gonna be some filler. This episode still holds significant meaning to me though because it contains the SOMETHING TO LIVE FOR speech. This is my favorite John Diggle speech, which is why I named my blog after it. It is also the first time Arrow declares their mission statement. * * *Diggle: Maybe you’ve got it backwards Oliver. You think the people you’ve let in have taken your edge. I think it gives you one. Maybe a stronger one even. You can stare down death with something to live for or not. SOMETHING TO LIVE FOR is better. * * * L*urel may be a pragmatic attorney on the surface, but we have watched her run the gamut of human emotions week to week. So much so it’s difficult to get a read on the character the writers are trying to construct. (Spoiler alert: they don’t know what kind of character they are trying to construct). One week she loves Oliver. The next week she’s condemning him to hell. L*urel L*nce’s feelings definitely control her. She has been reckless too, working outside the law, by contacting the vigilante for assistance. A relationship she resumes after telling her father in 1x09 that The Hood is a killer with no remorse. See what I’m saying about the ever changing emotional spectrum? * * * Oliver likes to present himself as a cool cucumber, but he has a rather unpleasant temper too. It make seem like he’s emotionless, but that is just a façade. It’s a cover for the torrent of emotions he keeps at bay. Laurel: I think that’s why we spooked each other. Our feelings, our fears, they control us. Not the other way around. L*urel’s “spooking each other” statement is a big line of bull, which we’ll find out later in the season. L*urel was not spooked by Oliver. She was the furthest thing from spooked, which is why she asked him to move in with her. Oliver wasn’t spooked either. Anytime I reflect on L*uriver I’m reminded of a scene from Sex in the City. Oliver isn’t freaked out by his feelings. He’s just not that into you, L*urel. Edited January 18, 2021 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
tv echo January 28, 2021 Share January 28, 2021 A couple quizzes... Arrow Quiz: Bet You Can't Name All These Characters! BY JAMES EGAN JANUARY 26TH, 2021https://whatculture.com/tv/arrow-quiz-bet-you-cant-name-all-these-characters Arrow: The Hardest True Or False Oliver Queen Quiz BY SEAN MARSHALL JANUARY 28TH, 2021https://whatculture.com/tv/arrow-the-hardest-true-or-false-oliver-queen-quiz Link to comment
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tv echo January 31, 2021 Share January 31, 2021 (edited) Go to article link to listen to Literary Joe's Inner Child Podcast interview with Michael Eklund... ARROW & LEGENDS OF TOMORROW Exclusive: Michael Eklund On Fighting Sara Lance As Both Dollmaker & Rasputin LiteraryJoe 1/30/2021https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/dc/legends_of_tomorrow/arrow-legends-of-tomorrow-exclusive-michael-eklund-on-fighting-sara-lance-as-both-dollmaker-rasputin-a182091#gs.s905by Quote Michael Eklund is another actor who has shown up as multiple characters, having played Dollmaker in Arrow and the most recent season of DC's Legends of Tomorrow's hilarious Rasputin. However, what's interesting about Eklund's case is that both of those characters fought (and lost) to Caity Loitz's Sara Lance, aka the White Canary - and that's precisely what we asked him about during our recent exclusive chat with the actor. * * * "Caity played in Arrow. She was in black leather. The White Canary, I think they called her. Now, this is interesting that you brought that up. I forgot because Arrow was a while back now. And then when I did Legends of Tomorrow, I forgot that it was the same actress. And I only found out on Instagram when a fan posted the fight scene I did with her in Arrow. And then we go up against each other again in Legends of Tomorrow, and I'm like, 'Oh my God, we worked together before!' I'd forgotten. I think she forgot too. It's really cool how that worked out. Absolutely unplanned, never planned. I remember when I was doing Gotham too, and they were going to introduce the Dollmaker character on there. And I don't know how true this story I heard was; I never got to the bottom of it. But I heard they were like, would it be possible if I played Dollmaker on Arrow if I could play Dollmaker on Gotham. Which I didn't. I played a different character, but when it came out, and fans of the show heard I was doing Gotham, they assumed I was coming on to do Dollmaker. I thought it would've been really cool if I did." Edited January 31, 2021 by tv echo Link to comment
tv echo February 5, 2021 Share February 5, 2021 (edited) 10 Coolest Weapons In The Arrowverse Liam Clark February 2, 2021https://whatculture.com/tv/10-coolest-weapons-in-the-arrowverse Quote In this time, the Arrowverse has managed to introduce a number of powerful characters and comic book influenced weapons that fans thought they would never see appear in the live action format. With the universe featuring powerful minds such as Cisco Ramon and Felicity Smoak, viewers have witnessed some incredibly powerful and cool weapons over the years. 10. Kryptonite Arrows 9. Totems Of Zambesi 8. Speed Force Bazooka7. A.T.O.M. Suit 6. Book Of Destiny 5. Lexosuit 4. Philosopher’s Stone 3. Cold Gun And Heat Gun 2. Savitar Armour 1. Lightning Dagger Edited February 5, 2021 by tv echo Link to comment
tv echo February 15, 2021 Share February 15, 2021 (edited) Arrowverse: 5 Characters Who Are Smarter Than They Seemed (& 5 Vice Versa) BY IAN GOODWILLIE FEBRUARY 14, 2021https://screenrant.com/arrowverse-characters-actually-smart-vs-seemed-intelligent/ Quote The Arrowverse has spent the better part of a decade bringing an increasingly wide array of DC Comic characters to the small screen. And in the mix are groups of heroes and villains who are a lot smarter than they seem as well as more than a few who aren't. Naturally, someone like Felicity Smoak is exactly as smart as fans thought she was. If she wasn't, she wouldn't have kept Oliver Queen alive. But that doesn't change the fact that there were more than a few characters who simply were not actually that smart, no matter how they acted. * * *10/10 LESS INTELLIGENT: Ra's Al Ghul ... But in the Arrowverse, Ra's ran afoul of Green Arrow. He consistently underestimated the Emerald Archer and was eventually defeated by his own hubris more than anything else. Ra's wasn't stupid, but he was too smart for his own good. * * *9/10 MORE INTELLIGENT: Sara Lance ... Sara was consistently underestimated, especially in comparison to her sister Laurel. Taking charge of the Legends of Tomorrow has proven that Sara is not only a capable warrior but also an intelligent and wise leader. * * *5/10 MORE INTELLIGENT: John Diggle ... When Oliver finally returned home, his earliest teammates were Felicity Smoak and John Diggle. Felicity was the tech and John was the muscle. He was an experienced soldier and operative who could watch Oliver's back in the field. More than that, John kept Oliver grounded. There's an argument to be made that he had most common sense out of anyone else in the Arrowverse since day one. Diggle often saw the truth of a situation when no one else, including Oliver, did. He proved himself to be even smarter than fans already knew him to be. 10/10 LESS INTELLIGENT: Ra's Al Ghul 9/10 MORE INTELLIGENT: Sara Lance 8/10 LESS INTELLIGENT: Malcolm Merlyn 7/10 MORE INTELLIGENT: Wild Dog 6/10 LESS INTELLIGENT: Ray Palmer 5/10 MORE INTELLIGENT: John Diggle 4/10 LESS INTELLIGENT: Damien Darhk 3/10 MORE INTELLIGENT: Iris West-Allen 2/10 LESS INTELLIGENT: Deathstroke 1/10 MORE INTELLIGENT: Eddie Thawne Edited February 15, 2021 by tv echo Link to comment
tv echo February 25, 2021 Share February 25, 2021 (edited) From Heroes to WandaVision: How superheroes learned to meet TV halfway Alex McLevy February 24, 2021https://tv.avclub.com/from-heroes-to-wandavision-how-superheroes-learned-to-1846282614 Quote But then a funny thing happened on the way to the multiverse: Marvel’s primary rival, DC, cracked the code for how to transfer characters with flashy powers into a medium not known for its visual fireworks. Arrow, followed by The Flash and more, constructed a structure and house style that became a blueprint of sorts, leading to a resurgence in attempts to craft TV superhero shows, even as Marvel kept swinging for the fences and missing. (Ironically, only Marvel’s former flagship series-turned-ignored-afterthought, Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D., was able to right its course, airing for seven seasons.) DC’s trick? Rejecting the multimedia synergy of its rival, and forcing superheroes into preexisting molds of televised storytelling, rather than the other way around. Freed from the expectation of delivering the same pyrotechnics as its big-screen brethren, superheroes finally flourished on television. And now, as demonstrated by WandaVision, those making superhero TV have realized Marshall McLuhan was at least partly right: The medium is—to varying degrees—the message, and the most recent crop of shows are tailoring their output accordingly. * * * But while Marvel kept struggling to consistently deliver with its high-profile offerings, the company’s competition was steadily building a small-screen empire. DC launched its live-action slate of TV series with Arrow, a variation on the Batman concept of a reclusive billionaire who secretly fights crime, in this case one Oliver Queen (Stephen Amell) who moonlights as the bow-and-arrow-wielding vigilante Green Arrow. Right from the start, the series had a strong sense of structure and consistency that far outstripped Marvel’s early fumbling efforts. It may not have achieved greatness all that often, but it was reliable—and just as important, it understood the restraints of the televised format. * * *Rather than trying to shoehorn the square peg of cinematic superhero storytelling into the round hole of the TV broadcast structure, Arrow flipped the script, adjusting its super-powered narratives to fit the conventions of television. In this, it followed the lead of so many genre shows that had come before it, from Buffy The Vampire Slayer to Smallville to Charmed, but now fitted to meet the needs of modern superhero tropes. By finally getting the superhero cart out from in front of the televised horse, DC found the recipe for long-term success on the small screen. It’s no coincidence that showrunner and eventual overseer of DC’s entire Arrowverse on The CW, Greg Berlanti, had learned some hard lessons with his first botched attempt at TV superheroes. That show? No Ordinary Family. By realizing that the medium is, at least in part, the message, DC has managed to create its own TV equivalent of the MCU’s cinematic “house style,” in which nothing strays too far from a proven formula, but still leaves plenty of room to play around creatively within the possibilities of that format. It’s no coincidence this is happening on The CW, rather than one of the Big Three; the youth-skewing demographic—and attendant scaled-down expectations for what constitutes a “hit”—means there’s less executive meddling, and more chance for these series to develop organically without the need to deliver blockbuster ratings. .... Edited February 25, 2021 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
tv echo February 25, 2021 Share February 25, 2021 (edited) A Felicity mention in this blog article by a member of the Society of Women Engineers (SWE).... When Reality Ruins Your Plans, You Pivot. SWE member Catherine Stone dreamed of becoming a professional ballerina, but those plans were hindered early in her life. Read more about how her medical diagnosis inspired her to pursue engineering, and why she's passionate about mentoring the next generation of women engineers. February 25, 2021https://alltogether.swe.org/2021/02/engineer-catherine-stone/ Quote I believe that a large part of not having enough women in STEM careers is due to a lack of representation. In addition to girls being told that STEM careers are “not for girls”, it’s still not common for young girls to see themselves in these careers as often they don’t have real life examples to look up to. I believe movies and television are getting slightly better at showing women in STEM roles (e.g. Katherine Johnson, Mary Jackson, and Dorothy Vaughan in Hidden Figures; Shuri in Black Panther; Felicity Smoak in Arrow; Temperance Brennan in Bones; Dana Scully in The X Files—to name a few of my favorites). But if we really want to see progress, young girls need to see both fictional and real life examples to fully believe that they can succeed in these fields. Edited February 25, 2021 by tv echo 2 Link to comment
tv echo February 28, 2021 Share February 28, 2021 (edited) I got 9 out of 10 right... How Well Do You Know the Arrowverse? BY MARMADUKE KARLSTON FEBRUARY 28, 2021https://screenagewasteland.com/how-well-do-you-know-the-arrowverse/ Edited February 28, 2021 by tv echo 2 Link to comment
tv echo March 1, 2021 Share March 1, 2021 (edited) Viewership and Ad Insights for ‘Superman & Lois,’ Plus More From The CW’s Arrowverse ELEANOR SEMERARD FEBRUARY 25, 2021https://tvrev.com/viewership-and-ad-insights-for-superman-lois-plus-more-from-the-cws-arrowverse/ Quote At the low end: Only 2.8% of Arrow fans watched the Superman & Lois premiere. Edited March 1, 2021 by tv echo Link to comment
tv echo March 2, 2021 Share March 2, 2021 (edited) Arrow: 10 Major Flaws Of The Show That Fans Chose To Ignore BY SETH RECTOR MARCH 1, 2021https://screenrant.com/arrow-major-series-flaws-overlooked/ Quote 7/10 It Had Too Many CW Trappings ... The CW has never been known for storytelling, nor is it known for subtlety. As opposed to the fun, swashbuckling adventures of Star City, the renamed Starling City became the home of a bunch of pretty people engaged in a soap opera that many comic book fans struggled to care about. Every chance Stephen Amell got to take his shirt off and expose his rippling muscles was seized upon. Also the use of bland pop music in the background during intimate scenes probably prompted many comic book fans to roll their eyes. * * *6/10 Team Arrow ... The idea of Green Arrow leading a team isn't entirely creatively bankrupt, but the team just doesn't have the depth to make it work. Once the team became more than Diggle and Felicity, it became too much. * * *5/10 It Focused Too Much On The Queen Family At First ... The only Queen that matters in the Green Arrow comics is Oliver Queen. However, since a soap opera won't work if it is centered on one person, a Queen family was established, with the family's drama taking up a good chunk of the early seasons of the show. Moira Queen's weird back and forth between duplicitous and sympathetic was mind-boggling, Walter Steele was short-changed, and Thea was bordering on unlikeable. It is an interesting detail that when most of The Queens went away, the show's quality improved a bit. * * *3/10 Oliver Got Off The Island ... The moment that Oliver Queen got off of Lian Yu at the end of Season Two was the moment that the show completely jumped the shark. Not only did Ollie leave Lian Yu, he spent an incredible amount of time hopping around the globe. * * *2/10 Its Treatment Of Female Characters ... It seems that the writers of Arrow had trouble writing likable female characters. Emily Bett Rickards' Felicity Smoak was a hugely controversial character in the fandom, basically becoming a ripoff of Oracle, Willa Holland's Thea Queen came across as entitled, and Katherine McNamara's Mia was too much like her father for her own good. The worst crime the show committed was how it treated Katie Cassidy's Laurel Lance. Turning such a strong, charming, powerful hero like Black Canary into a whiney, unlikable, weak character was one of the biggest heartbreaks for long-time fans of this DC hero. 10/10 It Took Too Many Cues From The Dark Knight Trilogy 9/10 The Villains Became Less And Less Interesting After Deathstroke 8/10 Bringing Malcolm Merlyn Back 7/10 It Had Too Many CW Trappings 6/10 Team Arrow 5/10 It Focused Too Much On The Queen Family At First 4/10 Oliver Was Basically Bruce Wayne 3/10 Oliver Got Off The Island 2/10 Its Treatment Of Female Characters 1/10 Andrew Kreisberg Edited March 2, 2021 by tv echo Link to comment
statsgirl March 14, 2021 Share March 14, 2021 Why would anyone write an article about a show's major flaws? You didn't get what you wanted, suck it up and move on. On 2/28/2021 at 9:36 AM, tv echo said: I got 9 out of 10 right... How Well Do You Know the Arrowverse? BY MARMADUKE KARLSTON FEBRUARY 28, 2021https://screenagewasteland.com/how-well-do-you-know-the-arrowverse/ Same. I can't believe that I got the first one wrong. Link to comment
tv echo March 17, 2021 Share March 17, 2021 (edited) In honor of St. Patrick's Day... The Greenest Moments in TV History POSTED BY JOE REID WEDNESDAY 3/17/2021 https://www.primetimer.com/features/the-greenest-moments-in-tv-history Quote Arrow Kicks Off a TV Empire ... Who knew that on October 10, 2012, when The CW premiered an action-adventure series based on DC Comics' Green Arrow that it would launch a superhero TV empire that would encompass seven TV series, two web series, multiple crossover events, and turn Greg Berlanti into TV's most ubiquitous super-producer? Previous to Arrow, The CW had introduced Oliver Queen and his superhero alias the Green Arrow on its superhero series Smallville, where he was played by future This Is Us star Justin Hartley. Arrow was a fresh start for the character, with Stephen Amell donning the signature green costume and defending Starling City from crime, both organized and otherwise. Arrow might be the single most unlikely influential TV show ever, and maybe we can thank Oliver's lucky green hue for part of that. Edited March 17, 2021 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
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