tv echo May 8, 2019 Share May 8, 2019 (edited) Arrow – Season 7 Episode 21 May 8, 2019 | Posted by Craig McKenziehttps://kneelbeforeblog.co.uk/tv/arrow-living-proof/ Quote This amounts to the second time that Team Arrow have survived an explosion that reasonably should have killed them. Blowing up a building that they all happen to be in should be fatal considering they are all normal Humans with the associated weaknesses. There are injuries here and there but on the whole they come out of this pretty well. This resolution makes it a bit more difficult to invest in the jeopardy of the situation while also making the cliffhanger ending feel manipulative. * * * It isn’t immediately obvious how it links to Diggle, Dinah, Roy and Rene since they are the least isolated but they are still cut off from their usual resources and trapped in a situation they aren’t completely sure how to escape. It doesn’t impact them too heavily other than the uncertainty around what happened to Oliver and the overwhelming fear that the building will collapse on them. There are some confusing choices in these scenes such as Roy being the one to risk his life in the cloud of poisonous gas to turn off the powers so that the gas doesn’t ignite. His prominence in the future set scenes confirms his survival so there is no tension associated with the extended period of time where the other characters believe he might be dead. Granted none of these characters can die at this point as three of them are featured in the future and Diggle hasn’t adopted a child yet so there’s no way this moment could have worked. * * * Felicity is isolated when the SCPD raid her office after being issued a warrant for her arrest. They go about siezing her assets and are about to put her under arrest when she activates a defence measure and is able to escape. The setup of this scene is very problematic as it spends so much time on exposition in order to put across the information that Felicity needs to know to move the plot forward. That isn’t a bad thing on its own but it’s clumsily handled with dialogue designed to make it clear exactly what is going on rather than letting the audience join the obvious dots. Being allowed to give Alena a hug makes the police look painfully stupid as it is such an obvious trick especially since they will definitely be aware of the hidden resources that Team Arrow have access to. Their assumption that Felicity’s request was innocent does nothing for the competence of the SCPD and devalues the partnership a great deal. * * * The fact that Oliver’s imagination manifests a version of Tommy to help him work through this inner conflict shows that Oliver will always be at War with his darker impulses no matter how much he improves himself and there will always be trials that test the limits of his patience. Tommy’s words fall on deaf ears in the beginning because Oliver has convinced himself that he has no other choice. Finding out that Emiko knew about the Queen’s Gambit and kept it to herself appears to be the last straw for him and the thing that convinced him Emiko was beyond redemption. Edited May 8, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5274855
tv echo May 8, 2019 Share May 8, 2019 (edited) All speculation... How Will 'Arrow' Write Out Felicity in the Season 7 Finale? 5 Possibilities Meredith Jacobs May 7, 2019https://herald-review.com/entertainment/tv/how-will-arrow-write-out-felicity-in-the-season-finale/article_6b68a4e1-df1f-5ff1-89e4-b583e17a7c76.html Quote So, how will Arrow write out Felicity in both times [present day and 2040]? Here are five possibilities. * * *She Lives Off the Grid to Protect Her Family in the Present * * * Considering Oliver is present for Mia's birth in that glimpse at the future in Episode 16, "Star City 2040," we can only assume something happens that pulls him back into the fold and away from his family — "Crisis on Infinite Earths"-related or not — for Season 8. * * *Felicity Dies in the Future This seems unlikely, given how much of the season she was presumed dead in 2040. Plus, there's always the possibility Rickards returns for the series finale, and Oliver and Felicity can live happily ever after in the future. Killing off Felicity would eliminate the possibility of a happy ending for Oliver, especially since the immediate future — and his absence from Mia's life — looks so bleak for them. But it is possible that Felicity will make the ultimate sacrifice to protect her children because her priority is their safety. And in doing so, she may also give William the answers he's looking for regarding why she and Oliver weren't part of his life after he went to live with his grandparents and she stayed away "after everything" (presumably whatever happens to Oliver). Felicity Has to Go Into Hiding in the Future Felicity was the one to create Archer, which Alena upgraded and sold to Galaxy One. She plans to destroy Archer, and while she's in Galaxy One's custody, it's possible she'll still be able to do that. And once she does, she may have to go into hiding to stay alive or to make sure no one tries to use her to re-create Archer or something like it. Felicity Trusts the Kids to Protect Star City in the Future Felicity is trying to do everything in her power to keep her children safe (in the present and future). What if after they take care of Kevin Dale (for good or even just temporarily) in the Season 7 finale, she learns to trust the younger generation (perhaps with help from Dinah, Roy and Rene) to protect Star City without her around. William can be the future team's Overwatch. Felicity Goes Off on Her Own Mission in the Future Something may take Felicity out of Star City for Season 8's future storyline. The team could have to split up for some reason at the end of Season 7, and viewers simply don't see what she's up to but get an update here or there. We still don't know what happens to Oliver and why he isn't around. Arrow hasn't even said if he's dead. Instead, we can only assume that his absence is due to the deal he made with the Monitor during the "Elseworlds" crossover. She may go off looking for him. * * * It's also possible that since it's Rickards' last episode, Oliver and Felicity are reunited and, just like we can assume something brings Oliver into the action for Season 8, something similar happens for the future storyline as well. Edited May 8, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5274957
tv echo May 9, 2019 Share May 9, 2019 (edited) I recommend reading the entire article... Why Felicity Smoak’s Legacy as the Heart of ‘Arrow’ Makes Saying Goodbye So Hard BY LACY BAUGHER MAY 9, 2019http://collider.com/arrow-season-7-why-felicity-is-the-best/ Quote However, the news that Emily Bett Rickards, who plays Team Arrow’s resident hacker genius Felicity Smoak, would be exiting Star City at the end of Season 7 probably came as a much bigger shock. It seems almost impossible to imagine Arrow without her, period; let alone envision a final ten episodes in which Felicity will have no real role in wrapping up the narrative she’s been such a huge part of. Her departure will mark the true end of an era, as Arrow says goodbye to both its leading lady and one of the team’s founding members. We still don’t know precisely how Felicity will exit Star City – though Arrow’s 2040 flash forwards have given us a pretty good idea of the isolated nature of her life going forward – but we do know this: the show will never be the same again once she’s gone. Felicity Smoak is, in large part, the glue that holds Arrow together. Though she is perhaps the least physically capable member of the team when it comes to throwing a punch, she is as much a hero as anyone who suits up in a vigilante mask or hood. Her enormous heart, her compassionate nature, and her refusal to back down when facing the worst sorts of odds make her the kind of woman any of us might aspire to one day become. * * * Her compassionate nature is invaluable, and her vivacious personality provides a much-needed ray of sunshine in the otherwise dark and grim world of Arrow. (This is particularly true during the show’s earlier seasons which primarily dealt with Oliver’s family secrets and seemingly endless quest for vengeance.) She’s brave, loyal to a fault, and willing to stand up to those she thinks are doing wrong, even when they’re her friends. That Felicity ultimately becomes Arrow’s female romantic lead is another bold choice on the part of the show – and not just because she’s the sort of character who, stereotypically speaking, almost never lands the hot guy at the center of the story. The decision to pair her romantically with Oliver represents one of Arrow’s first major departures from its comics source material, and established the show as one willing to take risks and tell its own story on its own terms. From a relationship perspective, her big-hearted sincerity offers a refreshing contrast to Oliver’s near-continual angsty brooding, and her refusal to compromise her beliefs to fit his often provides much-needed alternative perspectives within their group. * * * Her character has come so far from her first scene all the way back in Arrow’s third episode, when she was just a tech support girl charged with fixing Oliver’s broken laptop. But it’s precisely because Felicity Smoak has grown into such an integral piece of the show that she’ll leave such a big hole behind when she’s gone. Edited May 10, 2019 by tv echo 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5278455
tv echo May 10, 2019 Share May 10, 2019 (edited) DCTV ROUND-UP WEEK OF 5/5/19: ‘SUPERGIRL,’ ‘LEGENDS OF TOMORROW,’ ‘ARROW’ & ‘THE FLASH’ ALYSSA BARBIERI MAY 10, 2019http://fangirlish.com/dctv-round-up-week-of-5-5-19-supergirl-legends-of-tomorrow-arrow-the-flash/ Quote As the summer television hiatus fast approaches, our DCTV shows are fast approaching their season’s end. For some, like Arrow, that signals a huge change coming in the form of losing the heart of your show in Felicity Smoak. For others, like Flash, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow, it’s the end of one chapter and the start of a new one where there’s always a possibility for redemption for mistakes of seasons past. * * *‘ARROW’ 7×21: “LIVING PROOF” ...Arrow continued to waste its final episodes with Felicity Smoak in a venture that was a tad appealing by the mere fact that Tommy Merlyn returned via Oliver’s concussion. With every passing episode, Arrow begins to feel less like Arrow and more like a burden. Sure, there were things like Felicity and Alena and Tommy Merlyn and Felicity with her children in the future, but even that’s not enough to sustain this episode. It’s not enough to have these characters in an episode, you need to do something with them. * * * Meanwhile, Felicity — and Alena — found herself on the run from the cops, who had broken into Smoak Tech after Emiko leaked footage of Roy killing the guards that Team Arrow covered up. It was nice to have some Felicity — especially with a friend that’s a woman — but in her second to last episode, this was another episode with Oliver and Felicity not getting to share scenes together. And it was infuriating. Even in how she reacted after thinking he was dead and him walking back into the Bunker, no hug, no nothing. Also, I totally called Felicity “going off the grid,” which seemed to be set up with this episode, in order to protect her unborn child. Elsewhere, there was a whining Canary in the present and future, and Mia and William continue to carry this abysmal future that we continue to see play out. Edited May 10, 2019 by tv echo 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5282380
tv echo May 11, 2019 Share May 11, 2019 (edited) Superhero Insider: Arrow and The Flash prepare for their season finales By Chancellor Agard May 10, 2019https://ew.com/tv/2019/05/10/superhero-insider-arrow-and-the-flash-prepare-for-their-season-finales/ Quote “Living Proof,” Monday’s episode of Arrow, continued to setup Emily Bett Rickards’ upcoming exit from the series. After a dangerous encounter with Emiko in the bunker, Felicity tells Alena that she always promised herself she wouldn’t ruin her child’s life the same way her parents did hers, and yet now she finds herself in a position worse than anything she went through as a child. Alena reminds Felicity of a quintessential cyber-security rule: The best way to protect something is to take it offline. The analogy’s real-world application is pretty obvious: If Felicity truly wants to protect her unborn child/Mia from the danger of crime fighting, she needs to go off the grid. After watching “Star City 2040,” we know that’s exactly what she ends up doing. Entertainment Weekly - Superhero Insider: Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow, Arrow Kyle Anderson & Chancellor Agard May 10, 2019 -- Arrow 721: Kyle thought that parts of this episode looked like it was heading into a season finale, but that other parts of this episode felt more like a "distraction" (the long Tommy hallucination). -- Chance liked the Oliver/Tommy dynamic, but agreed with Kyle that the whole Tommy teaching Oliver a lesson felt like "we've been here before." Chance couldn't "connect emotionally" with these scenes. -- Kyle thought that these present day scenes were "undercut" by the flashforwards which show that Oliver "failed horribly" in saving the city. He felt that this might be why it's difficult to connect emotionally with these present day Oliver learning a lesson scenes. -- Chance noted that this episode set up Felicity's exit by going "off the grid," as suggested by Alena. -- Kyle has no idea how this season of Arrow will end. Edited May 11, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5283731
tv echo May 12, 2019 Share May 12, 2019 (edited) DC TV Watch: Colin Donnell Returns For Emotional 'Arrow' Episode MAY 11, 2019 8:15am PT by Sydney Bucksbaumhttps://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/dc-tv-watch-arrow-colin-donnell-tommy-merlyn-returns-1208330 Quote What it means: Despite the fact that episodes based on hallucinations rarely work because the stakes are just too low (most of this episode didn't actually happen in the real world; it just happened in Oliver's head), "ghost" Tommy seemingly had quite an effect on Oliver. There were some painful callbacks (like Oliver's close call with the rebar!) that reminded both Oliver and viewers what we all lost with Tommy's season one death. And with one episode left in the season, we'll know just how much of an effect his "return" in this week's hour had soon as Oliver's final showdown with Emiko (Sea Shimooka) looms. Tommy tried to convince Oliver to break the cycle they were stuck in by not seeking out revenge on his sister for not stepping in to save his father all those years ago. The question of revenge vs. forgiveness has always been a major part of this show, and mixed in with Oliver's blind spot of family, his ultimate decision of how to handle Emiko in the upcoming finale is going to set the stage for Arrow's final run of 10 episodes next season. And with Emiko stealing a weapon that could destroy Star City (and her newfound realization that Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) is pregnant), the personal stakes for Oliver have never been higher. The city he's spent years defending and the family he's spent years building are now threatened by his own family. He's going to have to finally make a choice once and for all in the upcoming finale: revenge or forgiveness? Other noteworthy moments: Not much else happened in this week's hour, as it mostly took place inside Oliver's head. But a few developments did take place, namely with Arrow planting the seeds for Rickards exiting the series after this season. Felicity vented to her friend about not wanting to make her own children's lives as miserable as hers was because of her parents, and her friend gave her some advice: take her life "offline" to protect her kids. Is this how Arrow is going to write off her character? Is she just simply going to go into hiding for the final season? Even with the "Crisis on Infinite Earths" crossover coming up? Seems a little too flimsy, but we'll find out next week for sure one way or another. Edited May 12, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5285949
tv echo May 13, 2019 Share May 13, 2019 (edited) Arrow Episode Guide: Season 7, Episode 21 - Living Proof Starman May 12, 2019http://www.mygeekygeekyways.com/2019/05/arrow-episode-guide-season-7-episode-21.html Quote Again, the drama of this episode in the modern day scenes is anti-climactic thanks to the future scenes revealing that Team Arrow will be fine. * * *Colin Donnell's cameo is blatant fan service but it's a fun bit of business that ads a new level to Oliver's struggle for survival. * * * The direction on the sequence of Roy jumping into the benzene cloud is so tensely, tightly directed you honestly forget that Roy can't NOT survive it. * * * Continuing the long Arrow tradition of each season's penultimate episode sharing the name of a Bruce Springsteen song, this episode is titled "Living Proof". Released on the 1992 album Lucky Town, Springsteen wrote the song about his young son and the feelings he felt as a father. This would seem to relate to Oliver's feelings regarding the pregnant Felicity, but the song makes mention of being imprisoned and a man who has lost all faith in himself - an apt description of Oliver in Season 7. The robot soldiers Galaxy One makes that are powered by the Archer Network are designated Zeta. This seems to be a nod to Zeta - a robot assassin who first appeared in the Batman Beyond animated series, before starring in his own spin-off, The Zeta Project. Zeta developed his own independent morality system and refused to kill, going on the run to avoid being reprogrammed. Edited May 13, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5289043
tv echo May 13, 2019 Share May 13, 2019 (edited) Big Belly Burger debuted in the same episode as Felicity - who knew?... Big Belly Burger: How the Fast Food Chain Took Over the Arrowverse by Sam Stone – on May 12, 2019https://www.cbr.com/big-belly-burger-arrowverse/ Quote Big Belly Burger was first created by John Byrne and Jerry Ordway in 1988's Adventures of Superman #441 as a restaurant chain owned by LexCorp. Reputedly establed [sic] one of the biggest fast food chains in the DC Universe, the popular restaurant offered a selection milkshakes, fries, and, of course, burgers including its signature meal, the Belly Buster. Similar to its rumored inspiration, Bob's Big Boy, Big Belly Burger's mascot was a red-haired man sporting a beard and glasses, claimed by Byrne to be based off comic book writer and editor Andy Helfer. * * * During the New 52 era, the fast food chain came back into the prominence in the DC Universe thanks to its live-action debut on the Arrowverse. Its origins were then revealed to have been founded in Coast City some time during the 1950s. Whether the chain is still owned by LexCorp during the New 52 and DC Rebirth eras is currently unknown. * * *Big Belly Burger would make its live-action debut in the third episode of the inaugural season of Arrow with John Diggle bringing Oliver Queen and Tommy Merlyn to a location in Starling City to recuperate after they endured a beating from a local gangster. As the workplace of Diggle's sister-in-law Carly, the location would appear regularly during the first season and sporadically in the series moving forward including where Sara Lance makes her vigilante debut in the Season 2 premiere. The chain is also a notable favorite of Felicity Smoak and John. The two Team Arrow members have been shown eating food from the chain during meetings and stakeouts, and Felicity even posed as a Big Belly Burger delivery person as part of a plan to sneak into a building. During one of the first team-ups between Arrow and the Flash, Felicity noted that she felt comforted by the identical taste of Big Belly Burger franchises in separate cities. Edited May 13, 2019 by tv echo 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5289076
KenyaJ May 13, 2019 Share May 13, 2019 LOL. The Big Belly Burger Commercial is still one of my favorite things in the Arrowverse. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5289158
tv echo May 13, 2019 Share May 13, 2019 (edited) Spotlight Interview: Beth Schwartz, Showrunner – Part 2, All things “Arrow” BY SARAH J EAGEN ON MAY 13, 2019http://msinthebiz.com/2019/05/13/spotlight-interview-beth-schwartz-showrunner-part-2-all-things-arrow/ Quote I saw you speak on a writing panel at Comic-Con a few years ago where you talked about mapping out the emotional journey of each character for the season, before diving in for specific episodes, etc. You’ve been with the show for its entire run – how has the writer’s room continued to top itself season after season while remaining grounded in the characters of the showIt definitely gets more challenging – not necessarily emotionally, but plot-wise in terms of ‘what haven’t we done?’ But I think it’s an advantage to have characters and a show that goes on this long because people evolve, and there are all sorts of life challenges that you’re faced with. We’re always evolving and going through changes, and so are our characters. We bring in new characters that challenge them, we bring in old characters that remind them of who they were. So it’s really amazing because you get to go in deeper with them instead of just on the surface. * * *I partially outsourced this q from twitter – How does your room write and develop such fleshed out villains that really challenge the heroes, yet still have their own agency?We’ve had amazing villains-of-the-week as well as big bads, and we tend to flesh them out in terms of how they’re going to directly affect Oliver and what he’s going through. It’s not just some random villain that does cool stunts, because we’ll always have that – but they have to somehow emotionally affect our hero for it to really be impactful. We also always like to have our villains be the hero of their own stories so they’re not one-sided, but they’re more nuanced and they have their own back-stories and reasons for becoming who they are. Re: being a showrunner – What have you learned about running a room from the various shows you’ve worked on? How do you choose to run your room?I think the most important thing is creating a very safe environment. The best rooms I’ve been in, everyone feels really comfortable with each other. It can get really personal. You want to feel safe, and the person who creates that environment is the person running the room or the showrunner. That’s super important, to have that safe environment where you can pitch freely and not worry about anything. Another thing that’s really important about running a room is to make sure that you’re not shutting down everyone’s pitch. Even if you don’t like it, you have to learn a certain language to allow it. You don’t want to be that person who’s just like, “No. No. No.” because that pitch could grow into something else. Greg Berlanti is SO good at that – I learned that skill from him. Make your writers feel valued, because that will produce good work. And then just having fun. Really, just having a good time. I think any room that has that chemistry where you can laugh and pitch jokes as well as pitching work – the best work comes out of those kinds of rooms. As you’ve been casting the show, are there any particular traits or talents (besides a potential physical likeness to the character) that endear you to one actor over another during the audition process?I’m a person who goes by my gut, in everything in life. We see many talented people, and there’s something that just clicks when you know it’s that right person that fits the role. It’s not one particular thing that they’re doing…It’s hard to explain. When they come in and read your lines, you’re like “Yes, that’s it!” Even if it was a character who you maybe pictured completely different in your head. I think for me, it’s less about what someone looks like and it’s more about what they bring in that audition that just feels RIGHT. * * *Thank you! That’s another show that has been on forever, and it got me thinking – what is your advice for guest actors who are joining a legacy set like Arrow for a day or week? How can they do their job well on this set that is –A well-oiled machine, yeah. We shoot in Vancouver, and our actors are so welcoming to our guest cast. I think that’s a huge part of making anyone who’s new on set feel welcome and comfortable. The only advice I would give is ‘come prepared.’ Because if you don’t, that’s not a great look. As a showrunner, we’re eventually going to hear about it, and if you’re holding up time, that’s not great even if you end up doing good work. I think that would be it. You should just have fun. If you’re excited to be there — you know, the crew and cast is there every day – * * *I know Arrow is ending, but 8 years is a fantastic run! What is it like to know that you’ll be ending the show on your own terms? That you can really wrap up the story the way you want to tell it?I’m really excited to have been on a show its entire run. Before I was on Arrow, getting another season was a luxury. We’ve been so fortunate. We’ve been in this bubble, because we just always knew we were coming back. So I think in the same way, knowing that we get to wrap this up without having the surprise end of a season suddenly being your last season is SO rewarding. Creatively, it allows us the freedom to write to that end, and most shows don’t get that. That’s always something that I thought was really hard when you’re on a show and you don’t know if you’re coming back. You sort of have to write it like it could be your last season, but you also don’t want to write something that isn’t what the story’s asking for. So I’m really excited, because I’ve never been in this position before where I knew I was writing for a last season. * * *Emily (who plays Felicity) has announced that she won’t be coming back for S8. As a storyteller, how do you balance the myriad of things that are out your control, whether it’s an actor leaving or getting pregnant, having to write around a broken arm, whatever it is – how do you stay focused on the story you want to tell while still remaining flexible to the inevitable changes and challenges?That’s actually a really good question, because I feel like a lot of people don’t ever think about that. Everyone who works on a show is a real person and real life things happen to them. For me, if life things happen, that’s the most important thing. Creatively, we’ll come up with the solution to work around it – that’s never been a problem. Sometimes you have to think a little more on your feet, but at the same time, I always want people to take care of their lives first. Edited May 13, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5289963
bethy May 13, 2019 Share May 13, 2019 I’m so confused. I’ve been on an international flight, so exhaustion may be involved here, but wasn’t the season finale was last night? I’m seeing no news about what happened and no live thread from last night and the episode thread is locked until noon today. Am I crazy? Today is Tuesday, isn’t it?! Arrow has been airing on Mondays, right?! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5290663
JamieLynn832002 May 13, 2019 Share May 13, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bethy said: I’m so confused. I’ve been on an international flight, so exhaustion may be involved here, but wasn’t the season finale was last night? I’m seeing no news about what happened and no live thread from last night and the episode thread is locked until noon today. Am I crazy? Today is Tuesday, isn’t it?! Arrow has been airing on Mondays, right?! it's on tonight, today is Monday Edited May 13, 2019 by JamieLynn832002 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5290681
bethy May 13, 2019 Share May 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, JamieLynn832002 said: it's on tonight, today is Monday Thank you! I just realized I crossed a dateline at some point. 🤦♀️ Sorry about that! 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5290705
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) Deadline reported on last night's episode... ‘Arrow’ Season 7 Finale: Emotional Farewell For Emily Bett Rickards By Geoff Boucher, Genre Editor May 13, 2019https://deadline.com/2019/05/arrow-season-7-finale-emotional-farewell-to-fan-fave-emily-bett-rickards-1202613994/ Quote The finale tied up plenty of loose ends (by cleverly pinching off the season-long flash-forward story line set in a dystopian future, for instance) but it also departed from the tone of all previous six season finales. The energy of “You Have Saved This City” (which was written by showrunner Beth Schwartz and Rebecca Bellotto) was in the end less heart-pounding cliffhanger and more of a heart-tugging tearjerker. That because the finale also marked the final episode for Emily Bett Rickards, who portrays the tech-savant Felicity Smoak, a core character for seven seasons, dating back to her debut in the third episode of Season 1. The Smoak role was originally crafted as a one-off character but Rickard won over the show’s creative team with a fizzy mix of hacker charm, cerebral heft, and brainy beauty. The character became the MVP of Team Arrow and, eventually, the key love interest of Oliver Queen (Stephen Amell). Rickard’s exit came after the announcement that Arrow as a whole will hang up its quiver after next season. Many fans were worried that Rickard’s savvy character might be dispatched in some unsavory way for dramatic purposes (which would have been especially awful given her pregnancy) but in the end there was Smoak but no fire. Instead, Smoak walks away from the hero business hand-in-hand with Oliver, who can’t forget the dying warning from his half-sister who said that the Ninth Circle would stop at nothing to get the bowman’s baby. A lovely montage shows the couple enjoying family life that becomes their routine. (The emotion of the sequence in some way echoes the quiet-life choice made by Captain America in the Avengers: Endgame.) The bliss doesn’t last — Oliver gets a visit from the Monitor who says it’s time for the hero to live up to his Elseworlds bargain. There’s a good chance Oliver won’t make it back alive from his multiverse mission and that was etched into the emotions of the couple’s forlorn farewell. Both poignant and practical, the choices made in the finale reset the game board for next season, upped the stakes, doubled down on emotional backdrop, and handled the Smoak character in a way that respected her story arc and motivations and didn’t treat her like an expendable pawn or forgotten gambit. All of It was also nicely in keeping with the gender empowerment and representation themes that have become so central to the Arrowverse shows — it also preserve Smoak’s viability for a final season reunion moment if that narrative opportunity presents itself. Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5292770
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) A sentimental Arrow looks toward the future, and the end Allison Shoemaker May 14, 2019https://tv.avclub.com/a-sentimental-arrow-looks-toward-the-future-and-the-en-1834742269 Quote I couldn’t help thinking about Avengers: Infinity War quite a bit while watching “You Have Saved This City,” an episode that mostly fails as a season finale but works wonderfully well as a precursor to a series finale and as set-up for that next crossover event. Like the predecessor to Avengers: Endgame, this episode of Arrow has a very different set of priorities than most stories of its stamp. Yes, it needs to put a bow on some of the stories from this season, and it certainly needs to set up stories for the next. But even the show itself seems aware that whatever is happening with Emiko Queen, the SCPD, or the Ninth Circle pales in comparison to what’s going to happen in those last 10 episodes. When Emiko dies, the episode is just past the halfway point; from there on out, it’s one escape and then nothing but farewells, a long honeymoon, and Oliver and Felicity alike stepping into the unknown, accompanied by no one but The Monitor (LaMonica Garrett). It is not a typical season finale; both its flaws and its successes, like those of Infinity War, are unique, and as with Infinity War, we’ll ultimately judge its success both by how well it works on its own, and how successfully it sets up what’s to come. The Arrow in the back half of this episode (and, to a lesser extent, the one seen in flash-forwards) ranges from mostly to hugely successful, cashing in as it does on seven seasons’ worth of emotional investment and history. It’s a situation, like those two Avengers films, in which one is willing to forgive some clumsiness, because tall that time spent with these characters starts to press down on you as you watch. The odd callbacks to early days, the sight of old friends sharing a moment in which words are unnecessary, the weight of history—all come into play and render the whole greater than the sum of its parts, by virtue of your own investment. The knowledge of the show’s impending end, and of the departure of Emily Bett Rickards, also adds to the potency of some of those closing scenes, because it’s all too easy to look at the fond, grieving smiles of Rickards, Stephen Amell, and David Ramsey in particular and see not the characters, but the actors themselves saying goodbye. To the bunker. To each other. To the characters, the story, the cast, the crew. There’s a lot going on, and while it might not all be life-changing stuff, it’s emotional, rich, and deeply satisfying—all that, and great set-up for what’s to come, too. Alas, “You Have Saved This City”—and again, note the past tense there—isn’t just its back half. That half, while flawed, packs such a punch that it’s difficult not to see it as one of the best chunks of Arrow in years. But there’s the first half, too, which if not quite perfunctory, gives the impression that the writers simply whipped out a to-do list and started checking boxes. Wrap up Emiko, drive Felicity into hiding, get Dinah back on the force (for now) and Roy back on the way to Lian-Yu, get Oliver to feel comfortable walking away and resolve at least some of his family trauma. Things have to be good for it to hurt as much as possible when The Monitor walks in the door. Arrow checks those boxes with admirable efficiency, but even with director James Bamford’s familiarly strong action sequences, it all comes off as pretty rushed. It’s as though the writers simply couldn’t wait to get to those goodbyes, and to the next phase of the story. * * * - TAMVP: I assumed this was going to be Emily Bett Rickards, but this episode felt a lot less like a farewell to her than to the show as we know it, and OTA more specifically. As such, it’s got to be Stephen Amell, an actor who has always been good at Oliver Queen’s gruff stuff, but who I could never have imagined giving so vulnerable a performance six years ago. Good for him. EBR still did great, though. They all did. Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5292798
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) As befitting a season finale and EBR's last episode, Chance Agard wrote two articles about 722... How the Arrow finale said goodbye to Emily Bett Rickards' Felicity, teased 'Crisis on Infinite Earths' By Chancellor Agard May 13, 2019https://ew.com/tv/2019/05/13/arrow-season-7-finale-emily-bett-rickards-felicity-last-episode/ Quote Before hitting the road, though, Felicity visits Oliver’s grave — which confirms he dies in 2019 — with Mia and William because she wants to say goodbye to them one last time. Her two children don’t understand why they can’t stay in contact while she’s on the run, but Felicity simply says it’s time for her to go on her own journey…that leads her right to the Monitor. When she meets up with the Monitor, she tells him she’s ready. “Where I’m taking you, there’s no return,” he says. But Felicity doesn’t care because she’s waited a long time to see Oliver. From there, they breach away to only God knows where to be with the fallen Green Arrow. And thus, Rickards’ time on the show came to an end. Honestly, it’s unclear what all of this means for the final season. As of right now, all we know is that the final season will include flash-forwards, too, which showrunner Beth Schwartz confirmed to EW. Beyond that, we just have several questions: Will the final season just follow Oliver’s adventures with the Monitor? How will the remaining characters fit into that? Is this actually the end of the Ninth Circle, which is apparently hunting Oliver and Felicity’s kid? How did Roy end up back Lian-Yu? Does the fact that Felicity heads off to join Oliver mean he’s not actually dead-dead? Is there a salmon ladder wherever Oliver and the Monitor are going? And so many more. Arrow finale recap: 'You Have Saved This City'...now go save the multiverse By Chancellor Agard May 14, 2019https://ew.com/recap/arrow-season-7-finale/ Quote Was it entirely successful? In the episode’s immediate afterglow, I’m willing to say, mostly yes. Sure, most of it felt rushed and over-stuffed, and I couldn’t keep the particulars of the plot straight. But in the grand scheme of things, that’s not terribly important because “You Have Saved this City” — which was written by showrunner Beth Schwartz and Rebecca Bellotto— landed almost every emotional beat it had to. Not only that, but there was a gravitas to the story that’s been missing all season and made it feel like this was the conclusion to this part of the story. * * * Bamford’s direction does a good job of conveying the importance of the collective. Look at the way the camera sweeps around the bunker in some of the longer takes and shows everyone who’s there, or in the way he tries to cram as many heroes into one static shot as possible, like when everyone in the bunker crowds around Felicity’s workspace. I’ll admit I was truly moved to see Oliver, Felicity, Curtis, Diggle, Dinah, Rene, Black Siren, Roy, and Bronze Tiger standing all together down there. The diversity of experiences sort of reminded me of James Tynion IV’s recent installment of Detective Comics, which focused on a superhero team comprised only of Bat-family heroes. Here, you have a team comprised of Arrow- family members, and that sense of family is incredibly potent. * * * Oliver takes Emiko’s words to heart. When he returns to the bunker, he and Felicity announce that they’re taking a step back from this hero business because he has faith that the team can protect the city without him. “Every bit of success I’ve had along the way has been because of you,” he says. Is this a rehash of the season 3 finale? Yes, but here it feels like there’s more weight to it because the script is drawing on six seasons worth of history. To be honest, I’m not sure if season 7 itself actually earned this moment, but whatever, I don’t care because I was moved. Because Oliver and Felicity are doing this for their children, it feels more definitive and like it would stick were it not for certain extenuating circumstances. Anyway, everyone realizes that Oliver managed not only to end his cycle of violence but turn it into a cycle of heroism because Team Arrow is his legacy. So Diggle helps Oliver and Felicity move into that isolated home we saw in “Star City 2040” and they all decide not to tell the team about Mia because the Ninth Circle would target them. From there, we’re treated to a montage that shows Oliver and Felicity’s life in the home. It’s super touching. * * * In the wake of destroying the wall, Dinah, Felicity, and Roy decide to take responsibility for the action so that the young heroes can step up and become the city’s defenders. Before Felicity heads out on the run, though, she meets up with her children at Oliver’s grave (our hero dies in 2019, ahhh) to say goodbye because where she’s going she can’t stay in contact. Mia and William don’t understand, but they accept it. So, as Felicity leaves the graveyard, she walks through a portal with the Monitor to reunite with Oliver somewhere. Overall, I think the way the show wrote Felicity off is pretty good. It’s definitely a bit stronger than the goodbye Thea got in season 6. Throughout the episode, it felt like we spent a lot more time with Felicity in the bunker than normal missions, and the future storyline gave her the opportunity to reconcile with her children. Even though I wasn’t fully invested in the flash-forwards, I still found her scenes with Mia and William very moving. And the fact that her final scene is her going off to see Oliver is what ‘shipper dreams are made of. That being said, the way she’s written off definitely leaves the door open for Felicity to return for the final season, and hopefully, she does because it’ll be rather disappointing if the show can’t tie this loose end up. Based on this ending, it seems as though the producers are confident they can get Rickards back next year to close the loop. Anyway, I’m looking forward to season 8, which better just be Arrow & The Monitor: Multiverse Adventures. 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tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) Russ Burlingame also wrote several articles on 722... Breaking Down the Arrow Season 7 Ending: What Happens to Olicity? By RUSS BURLINGAME - May 13, 2019https://comicbook.com/2019/05/14/breaking-down-the-arrow-season-7-ending-what-happens-to-olicity-/ Quote After that, the flash-forwards moved to Felicity Smoak in 2040, where she was visiting the grave of her husband -- his date of death listed as 2019. But after bidding a fond farewell to her children, she somehow attracted the attention of The Monitor and, implying that she was about to See Oliver again after all these years, walked with him into a breach in the fabric of the universe and disappeared. * * * That would be the "original" Superman and Lois, who first appeared in 1938. It seemed that even with the other widespread carnage of the Crisis, DC was reticent to kill the "original superhero," on whom their company was built. Superman, Lois, Superboy, and Luthor were given their own little pocket universe/paradise dimension, where they could live on happily together. * * *It does not seem entirely unreasonable to believe that some variation on this theme might be applied to Oliver Queen and Felicity Smoak. * * * That said, something that haunted Oliver for much of the season, and was mentioned at least once during "Elseworlds," was the fact that at the end of last season, he made a deal with the FBI to turn himself in and save his team and Felicity...but he did so without consulting with, or even talking to, his wife. Given how much the show has dwelt on this point, it would be somewhat strange for his big, heroic sacrifice to have been done in a vacuum, leaving Felicity completely alone forever this time. That would be a great driver of conflict if Oliver was going to stick around for a while, but if "Crisis on Infinite Earths" was really going to be his swan song, it would be a bad note to end on (he calls it his greatest regret during his final conversation with Felicity in the finale). Unless, of course, the universe only believed him to be dead, and somehow, he were given his happy ending with Felicity. * * * Well, as with Kal-L, he is the original. Stephen Amell's Oliver Queen is what the Arrowverse was built on, and while it has become something bigger and grander than just him, it would inarguably not have been the same -- and maybe not have gotten off the ground -- without him. That seems like the kind of character who deserves to smile at the end of it all. Arrow: Who Dies in "You Have Saved This City?" By RUSS BURLINGAME - May 13, 2019https://comicbook.com/2019/05/14/arrow-who-dies-in-you-have-saved-this-city-/ Quote The episode deals with ideas of legacy and redemption, and while it was her mission to destroy her father's (and brother's) legacy, ultimately it was the heroism that her brother embraced after turning his back on their father's cycle of violence that showed her a way forward. Finding her own heroism, she turned a corner and while she may have died, she redeemed herself and by saving the city, created her own legacy as well. How the Arrow Finale Sets Up "Crisis on Infinite Earths" By RUSS BURLINGAME - May 13, 2019https://comicbook.com/2019/05/06/arrow-the-monitor-returns-in-arrow-finale/ Is Arrow Season 8 "Crisis On Infinite Earths?" By RUSS BURLINGAME - May 13, 2019 https://comicbook.com/2019/05/14/is-arrow-season-8-crisis-on-infinite-earths-/ Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5292841
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) ARROW SEASON 7 FINALE: "YOU HAVE SAVED THIS CITY" REVIEW BY JESSE SCHEEDEN 13 MAY 2019https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/05/14/arrow-season-7-finale-you-have-saved-this-city-review Quote Not since Ollie’s showdown with Ra’s al Ghul in the Season 3 finale has Arrow managed to end a major storyline on such an anticlimactic note. The Ninth Circle conflict showed some early promise, to be sure. But between the decision to kill off Dante early and the fact that Emiko has never had what it takes to be a major villain, the Ninth Circle threat never coalesced like it needed to. * * *Arrow seems to have a bit of a Scrubs situation on its hands. Though the series has one last, truncated season left before the end, it’s looking as though Season 8 will carry on without the star of the series. We already knew this would be Emily Bett Rickards’ final episode, but it also seems we’ve seen the last of Ollie until the “Crisis on Infinite Earths” crossover at the end of the year. In some ways, that unexpected swerve worked in this episode’s favor. That final sequence with Ollie and Felicity finding their happy retirement and welcoming their daughter into the world hit a lot of strong emotional notes. After all Ollie has suffered in the past seven years, he truly earned this happy ending. And it’s certainly a nice way to send off Felicity, rather than creating a status quo where Felicity goes into hiding and Ollie remains behind in Star City. We got a strong sense of the pain and loss that fueled her after losing Ollie to the Monitor, while also seeing that she and Ollie will get their much-deserved life together when all is said and done. In a lot of ways, this might as well be the series finale. And the question now is why The CW is even bothering with a Season 8 in the first place. The prospect of an Ollie and Felicity-less season isn’t terribly appealing, especially if it’s going to be framed around Team Arrow dealing with the leftover remnants of the Ninth Circle. Who cares? Diggle aside, these characters have never shown the spark needed to truly take over for Ollie. If anything, I’d just as soon have the series shift focus entirely to Mia taking over as Green Arrow in the future. The flash-forward storyline hasn’t been great, but maybe with a clearer sense of focus and a single protagonist, that can finally change. Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5292889
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) Jen and Calli discussed 722 in their latest podcast... Watchover Ep 44 - Arrow 7x22 Discussion May 13, 2019https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/watchover-with-jen-and-calli/e/60673014 Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5293123
Featherhat May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 There seen to be a lot of reviewers who think Oliver is dead dead rather than Dark Knight Rises "dead" in a multimeter way. Have they never watched tv before? 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5293126
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) Arrow season 7, episode 22 review: You Have Saved This City by Scott Brown May 14, 2019https://bamsmackpow.com/2019/05/14/arrow-season-7-episode-22-review/ Quote While some of this great idea is good in execution, the rest of it feels very rushed, mainly with how the public views the team. The part that really matters though, Emiko’s plan, while very fast-paced, feels very effective in its execution and there’s one shot of a corpse toward the beginning of the episode that is particularly brutal. It does a great job of conveying the threat that Emiko contains and provides a bit of shock value that feels more befitting of a show on HBO than the CW. * * * While the flash-forwards haven’t been the full focus of the season, whenever they’ve appeared, they’ve consistently been great. That is again very much the case with this episode. Mia and William have anchored this entire storyline and the amount of emotion that this episode is able to pull from those two characters alone is fantastic. They’ve easily become two of the best characters on the show this season. * * * The only thing bad about this part of the episode is that the ending feels a bit rushed compared to how quickly the story has moved throughout the rest of the season. In fact, much of this episode feels incredibly fast-paced to the point of much of it feeling rushed and dwelling on certain emotional beats. Despite some pacing hiccups and familiar elements, Arrow ends its seventh season on an emotional high note. Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5293371
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) ARROW Season Finale Review “You Have Saved This City” By AMELIA EMBERWING May. 14, 2019https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2019/05/14/arrow-season-finale-review-you-have-saved-this-city Quote For years Arrow struggled with packing an emotional punch without killing anyone. Your character needed to leave the show? Death. Oliver needed something to grow from? Death. Emotional tie-in needed? Death. Bodycount wasn’t even necessarily the problem. Heroes die every day! The issue was that the show couldn’t find another way to convey difficult or strong emotions without murdering one of its characters. “You Have Saved This City” breaks the cycle of violence, just as Oliver and Emiko do. * * *“You Have Saved This City” is all about legacy, and not just that of Team Arrow: The Next Generation. Through all the missteps, CW’s DCTV as it exists today because of Arrow (you too, Smallville). Legends of Tomorrow’s absurdities, the familial bonds of The Flash, the hope of Supergirl and the gritty streets of Gotham all came to be because of this (often broken) little show. It’s sad that it’ll be ending right as it’s really figured out what it wants to be, but ain’t that just the way of the world? Arrow discovering its identity happened in tandem with Oliver Queen discovering his. When The Monitor comes for Oliver, a tearful Felicity asks why it always has to be him. In years past, we’ve watched a self destructive Green Arrow offer up his life to anyone that would take it. That Oliver always offered up his life because he wasn’t sure how to live. This one did because he knew that he had. * * * And then there’s Felicity Megan Smoak, lover of mint chip and babbler of words. The glue that held Team Arrow together throughout the show’s tenure and, for several grueling seasons, the heart of the thing. Emily Bett Rickards announced her departure from Arrow several weeks ago. We knew going in that this would be her last episode, but not how it would play out. Turns out the answer to that question is “in the most heartfelt way possible.” In the present, we get to watch Oliver and Felicity live out what appears to be about a year of domestic bliss in their safe house. In the future, she supports her children in one last mission to save Star City. She promised her husband that she would protect their kids for as long as they needed her and, in seeing them take down the evil Galaxy One mostly on their own, she fulfilled that promise. It’s not always easy loving Oliver Queen, or the broken Star City. And it’s certainly no cakewalk taking care of two children who resent you (even if they do eventually come around). Felicity sacrificed it all in her past, present, and future. Her arc closes with a reward for that sacrifice. With their kids safe, Felicity calls The Monitor to take her to her husband. We don’t know where or when that may be, but somehow that doesn’t much matter for the time being. There’s still a lot for Arrow to accomplish in its final ten episodes. Since we know the SCPD joined the vigilantes before the season’s close, we’re not quite sure how Star City 2019 became the Star City of 2040. Ben Turner will die at some point, leaving Connor to Lyla and Dig, Rene will betray his friends, and the city will fall to The Glades. A wall will be built, and a Crisis will occur. There’s always going to be strife in the Green Arrow’s broken little town but, for now, they have saved this city. Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5293402
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) Arrow: “You Have Saved This City” Review Taylor Cole May 14, 2019https://thenerdstash.com/arrow-saved-city-review/ Quote The short-lived Oliver/Emiko team-up was where the action faltered a bit. Is it just me or did some of these cuts between the present-day and flash forwards feel jarring? Back in season 5, we saw this style with present-day Oliver and Lian Yu/season 1 Oliver but I felt like it was not executed as well here. Which is unfortunate because I loved the idea of watching two generations of Queens destroy everything in their path. Oliver, as he always does, looked like the best fighter in the Arrowverse and that’s how it should be. His daughter wasn’t too bad herself. There’s something about Mia’s brutal fighting style that’s refreshing and every action scene with her in it has been entertaining to watch so far. Other than the few jarring cuts, the action was once again superb. * * * The flashforwards showcased the end of an era bit too. Our older characters sidelined themselves, which had a shockingly logical explanation behind it. I know they were controversial among fans but I’m actually excited to see where these flashforwards take us. Partly because I like these future characters and also because this is going to lead up to Oliver’s legacy as a hero. Mia will pick up the vigilante lifestyle and take the Green Arrow mantle. * * *Finally, we can get to the best part of the finale. Those last 20 minutes. I knew we were in store for a gut punch. Every character had a touching goodbye and it was all too optimistic for this show. I’m not an Olicity guy. I don’t really care about the superhero’s romantic relationship on a 22-episode series. For me, that’s a roller coaster not worth getting on. However, Stephen Amell and Emily Bett Rickards were phenomenal this week. Rickards didn’t really have much to do until those last 20 minutes but her scenes with Oliver, William, and Mia hit me right in the feels. Again, I’ve been highly critical of Rickards but she killed it this season, not just with the comedic stuff but on the emotional side of things as well. There’s no way we don’t see her character come back next season, even for a brief appearance in the season finale. We have to get an official answer to where flashforwards Felicity went, right? Stephen Amell, on the other hand, was on fire the whole episode. Every speech Oliver made brought me back in whenever I felt like this episode began to drag its feet. His plea to Emiko and final goodbye to Mia were definitely the ones that got me the most. Unfortunately, it looks like Oliver will die in Crisis on Infinite Earths this Fall. His talk with The Monitor didn’t go down exactly how I thought it would. I thought Oliver straight up offered to sacrifice his life for Kara and Barry. I’m glad I was wrong because I believe this was much better. Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5293426
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) Arrow, ‘You Have Saved This City’: A Bittersweet Finale Sets the Series on Its Final Trajectory BY CRAIG WACK · MAY 14, 2019http://oohlo.com/2019/05/14/arrow-you-have-saved-this-city-a-bittersweet-finale-sets-the-series-on-its-final-trajectory/ Quote Sex and the Olicity: Most significant in this episode was Felicity’s departure from the series. Ollie and Felicity go into hiding because The Circle isn’t going to stop chasing them. We are treated to a montage of about 18 months of domestic bliss in the country with baby Mia. Then one day, The Monitor (who you remember from the crossover this year) comes in to collect on the bargain Ollie made to save Supergirl and The Flash. Ollie has to leave his new family to save the multiverse even though it means his doom, much to Felicity’s obviously tearful protestations. Oliver makes Felicity promise to protect William and Mia as long as they need it. Just when it seems like Felicity will not get a happy ending, we flash to the future where Mia, William, and Felicity gather in the Queen family graveyard for some goodbyes. Felicity says Mia and William have the best of their father in them and as long as they have one another, they need no other protection. After a pan to Oliver’s gravestone with a 2019 death year on it, Felicity prepares for her big journey … with The Monitor, to reunite her with her love who has been really been saving the multiverse all this time. And with a flash of light and a step through a wormhole, Felicity Smoak exits the Arrowverse. * * *Last impressions: With Emily Bett Rickards’ departure, the final 10-episode run was always going to make next season a very different version of Arrow. Given the speeches, the dramatic shutdown of the Arrowlair, torch-passing, goodbyes and some very real tears, it feels like the next round is going to be a completely different series. Even though Oliver said he is going to return to start his mission for The Monitor in Star City, I’m sure that doesn’t involve arms dealers, criminal organizations or secret family members hellbent on revenge. It feels like the final season of Arrow is going to serve as the prologue for the Crisis storyline that is the subject for next year’s crossover, and not have a ton to do with the continuity established in the first seven seasons of the show. In essence, this was a series finale for Arrow and as such, it stuck the landing a lot better than a lot of other shows have. Emiko stopped being interesting once she made her heel turn, so her getting taken out relatively easily wasn’t bothersome, especially since it gave more time for goodbyes. The writers did a good job of giving everyone a heroic moment and giving Diggle a private opportunity to say his goodbyes to Olicity gave the OTA fans a nice salute. With evil thwarted, the next generation on guard, and knowing the series’ two most beloved characters eventually get their happy ending, Arrow as we know it found the center of the target with its parting shot. Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5293452
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) Huh? What did this writer watch?... Arrow Finally Revealed Why Oliver Isn't in the Flash-Forwards By Lindsay MacDonald | May 13, 2019https://www.tvguide.com/news/arrow-season-7-finale-oliver-queen-dies-crisis-infinite-earth/ Quote Though Felicity would have to spend the next 20 years without him, an Olicity reunion may be possible! Felicity wanted to make one last stop before fleeing the city in 2049 — something to honor Mia and William's father. His death was confirmed as the three of them said goodbye to each other in front of Oliver's headstone, which dated his death in 2019. The Monitor then showed up to take Felicity "to see him" in a place from which she could not return. So... Arrow just killed off Oliver and Felicity in the same freaking episode. Talk about a brutal finale! Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5293478
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) ‘Arrow’ Ending: Will Oliver Die? Season Finale Teases ‘Crisis On Infinite Earths’ By Nicole Massabrook 05/14/19https://www.ibtimes.com/arrow-ending-will-oliver-die-season-finale-teases-crisis-infinite-earths-2791944 Quote Since “Arrow” announced that Season 8 would be the last and that it would end around the time of the “Crisis on Infinite Earths” crossover, fans have speculated that Oliver (Stephen Amell) will die. The Season 7 finale seemed to confirm that — until it hinted that Oliver is alive. * * * That seems to confirm the big theory that the Green Arrow dies during “Crisis on Infinite Earths.” However, the final moment of the finale hints that Oliver’s “death” might not be so straight-forward. * * * Then, Felicity meets with the Monitor. He warns her that this is a one-way trip. “I have waited a very long time to see him. I’m ready,” she says. They walk into a portal together, and the episode ends. Who is she going to see? Well, it certainly seems like Oliver would be the obvious option, right? Perhaps the Monitor didn’t mean death literally. Rather he meant that it was the end of his life on this particular Earth. Who else would Felicity go see? Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5293505
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) Arrow season finale confirms THAT key death… or did it? By Cynthia Vinney 14th May 2019https://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/arrow-season-finale-confirms-that-key-death-or-did-it/ Quote Arrow’s seventh season finale, “You Have Saved This City,” confirmed a major fan theory in its last few minutes: Oliver Queen is going to die during next season’s Arrowverse crossover event “Crisis on Infinite Earths.” * * * Then, something unexpected happened. Felicity said good-bye to her children and claimed that she wouldn’t see them again. Then, on an abandoned road, she met with The Monitor. After implying that she’d waited a long time to see Oliver again, he opened a breach and they both stepped through and disappeared. The ending indicates that while it seemed like Oliver dies in our world, he may be alive somewhere in the multiverse, although it’s someplace where he can’t leave. Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5293523
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) TV Review: ‘Arrow: You Have Saved This City’ POSTED MAY 14TH, 2019 BY DARRYL JASPERhttps://sciencefiction.com/2019/05/14/tv-review-arrow-you-have-saved-this-city/ Quote Season seven of Arrow has been one of the more frustratingly up-and-down affairs as I have seen in a genre show. While it had a promising start, somewhere around the midpoint, things started to unravel. Much of the care taken developing some of the earlier themes disappeared, replaced by a rushed, almost careless advancement of an uninteresting story arc that overshadowed what made this show so fun in the beginning; it’s characters. “You Have Saved This City” falls into that same trap, albeit in a reverse order, where both the Emiko Queen and flash forward story arcs are completed with all the grace of a toddler wrapping a Christmas present while the last twenty minutes display some of the best emotional character moments every produced in the series’ seven-year history. * * * But whereas the first half of the finale stumbled on so many levels, the second half (or third to be exact) performs as if it was written by an entirely different person. I’m not sure if the news on Arrow ending next season came before they started filming this finale, but the emotional weight of the final 15 minutes of the show encompassed everything good about this series over the years. Not only do we get a payoff for the earlier flash forwards mentioning the Mark of Four (Courage, Compassion, Selflessness, Loyalty), but each of our characters get to say a proper goodbye to Oliver and Felicity. Diggle is the last one to leave them, helping the couple settle into their new life away from Star City. The montage of Mia’s birth and the former vigilantes making a life as new parents tugs at the heartstrings. * * * It’s no surprise that the Crisis on Infinite Earths storyline will play out during next year’s crossover but what does shock is that Oliver will pay the ultimate price to save Barry and Kara. This peek into this CW event adds even more gravitas to “You Have Saved This City”, as Oliver, with no complete explanation other than hinting at the deal he made with the Monitor, has to leave his family, never to return. His goodbye to Felicity hammers down on that emotional vein the writers failed to get with his confrontation with Emiko. Though next season is already scheduled for 10 episodes to officially wrap up Oliver’s story, the end to “You Have Saved This City” played out as one would expect of a series finale. Now that the why of Oliver’s end is written in stone, we only await the how. * * * -While the flash forward was consistently the least interesting aspect of Season Seven, it had its moments. More than the present time, it seemed that the flash forwards suffered from hurried fight choreography. Granted, the crunch these weekly shows are under must absolutely be a strain to the choreography folks but that doesn’t excuse some of the mess prevalent in these action pieces. Though I never fully connected with the adult William, Mia, or any of the others, the Queen kids saying goodbye to Felicity was genuinely heartwarming. I’m not sure if this segment of the story will play any role in next season’s truncated broadcast, but having Felicity walk into the great beyond at the Monitor’s side to reunite with Oliver is, I believe, the proper capstone for a good idea that just never made the desired impact. Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5293551
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) THE STAGE IS SET FOR CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS IN THE ARROW SEASON FINALE Trent Moore May 13, 2019https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/the-stage-is-set-for-crisis-on-infinite-earths-in-the-arrow-season-finale Quote He tells Oliver his death is predetermined, and the Monitor has witnessed the Green Arrow fall over and over. There’s nothing he can do to change his fate, though he can go and help the Monitor try to prevent the inevitable. He can’t save himself, but he might have a shot at saving the universe. Oliver bids farewell to Felicity and Mia, and disappears with the Monitor. Where they’re going? We still don’t know, though this is obviously some heavy lifting set up for the Crisis crossover next season. * * * As for what else we might be able to glean about the Crisis, the final shot of Future Felicity offers a major hint about Oliver’s fate, and how it fits into the crossover. We see Oliver’s tombstone, noting he dies in 2019. But, after saving Future Star City and the Glades, Future Felicity summons the Monitor to, presumably, take her to Oliver. So Oliver is apparently still alive, somewhere, out in the multiverse. The Monitor makes it clear there’s no return from where they’re going — so perhaps does Oliver take Barry’s place presumed dead and somewhat lost in the multiverse (the comic event that wrote Barry Allen out of the DC Comics universe for more than two decades). Is this a specific place where Felicity can join him? If she’s waited all this time to finish her mission and to be reunited, does that mean Oliver survives this eventual confrontation — but is forever separated from the world and reality he knew? Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5293575
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) Arrow Season 7 Episode 22 Review: You Have Saved This City Brandon Vieira at May 13, 2019 https://www.tvfanatic.com/2019/05/arrow-season-7-episode-22-review-you-have-saved-this-city/ Quote While many of our favorite heroes got to bask in the spotlight, it was Felicity who stole our hearts and crushed it into a million pieces mainly due to Emily Bett-Rickards beautiful performance. * * * There are plenty of incredible Olicity moments in the archives, but they outdid themselves here. * * *Love them or hate them, you can't deny the love between them. I truly felt the pain Felicity was feeling having to say goodbye to the man she loved. * * * However, there was also acceptance in her eyes, knowing that the love of her life was a hero, and while she didn't want him to leave, she was damn proud of him for what he was doing. I'm a tad in denial about it being the last time Oliver and Felicity will be on-screen together (I pray to the Arrowverse Felicity makes an appearance in the final season), but if it was their final moment, it couldn't have been any better. * * * The unexpected way of writing off Felicity in the future timeline was beautiful. Knowing that she and Oliver reunited in the multiverse is exactly the kind of Disney happy ending I live for. Soulmates always find each other, and Olicity are soulmates through and through. Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5293596
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) Arrow Season 7's Ending Wraps Up (Almost) All Of Oliver Queen's Story BY MATT MORRISON – ON MAY 14, 2019https://screenrant.com/arrow-season-7-ending-explained/ Quote The flashforward sequences end with Felicity walking through a path in the woods near Queen Manor and meeting the Monitor. The Monitor asks if Felicity is truly ready, because there is no returning from where he is taking her. Felicity confirms that she is ready, saying that she has waited a very long time to see him again. She twists her wedding ring nervously as the Monitor opens a breach, and the two step into it, traveling to some unknown destination, where Oliver Queen is presumably waiting for her as well. Sadly, Arrow season 8 is unlikely to touch upon this point, but it is heartening to think that Felicity and Oliver got their happy ending on some other plane of existence. Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5293617
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) "Arrow" Just Said An Emotional Goodbye To Felicity Smoak, And Here's Everything That Happened Nora Dominick May 14, 2019https://www.buzzfeed.com/noradominick/arrow-felicity-smoak-goodbye-episode-recap Quote I cannot stress enough how much I cried over Felicity and Oliver's last scene together — it hurt to see Stephen Amell and Emily Bett Rickards clearly crying IRL. * * * In the future, Felicity says goodbye to William and Mia, saying that it's time for her to go on her own journey — BRB, I'm crying over this adorable little family. * * *In the end, after parting ways with William and Mia, Felicity meets up with the Monitor, who takes her to be with (presumably) Oliver. * * * This was the point in the episode where I was uncontrollably sobbing on the floor, just FYI. Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5293632
tv echo May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) Arrow Review: You Have Saved This City (Season 7 Episode 22) May 14, 2019 Brianna Martinezhttps://www.telltaletv.com/2019/05/arrow-review-you-have-saved-this-city-season-7-episode-22/ Quote There may be one more season to go, but Arrow Season 7 Episode 22, “You Have Saved This City,” stands as a solid season finale that could have served as a series finale, thanks in large part to the big emotional moments in the final act.* * * OTA’s final bunker scene is the beginning of the end of any semblance emotional composure on “You Have Saved This City.” * * * There’s something beautiful when it’s just the 3 of them in the bunker left, staring at all the trio have accomplished over the last 7 years and how far they’ve come as vigilantes. Everything wouldn’t have been possible without Oliver, Felicity, and Diggle coming together, joining in on the mission for revenge that turned into a mission to save the city. As a longtime OTA fan, seeing the trio’s emotional farewell to their last bunker after Digg’s words about it being the end of an era, trying to keep things light and joke around while knowing that it’s last time they’ll be down there (in some form) let alone be in the same place together is a bittersweet moment. * * *Seeing Emily Bett Rickards, Stephen Amell, and David Ramsey try to rein in the emotion in the scene makes the moment only hurt a bit more considering the hour also serves as a farewell to Rickards’ Felicity. * * * It’s Oliver and Felicity’s final act montage and goodbye in the present, though, that are sob-inducing. Emily Bett Rickards and Stephen Amell bring it with their heartrending performances as The Monitor makes his return and decides to cash in on Oliver’s deal at the exact moment the pair find peace and the life they’ve fought so hard for. * * *They’re ripped apart for twenty years for the sake of an Arrowverse Crossover plot that honestly fell incredibly flat in its introduction. But Oliver and Felicity’s final moments and Felicity’s final scene in the future show that these two are so much more than the fates the universe have given them. * * * While Oliver sacrificed everything to save a city that didn’t always appreciate him (repeatedly calling him a criminal, in fact) and a pair of superheroes that malign him, Felicity’s always been right there alongside him, fighting for the city, their friends, and their family. They didn’t deserve to have their lives together cut short for the umpteenth time, separated from each other and their children, but knowing that somewhere in another universe, 20 years later, they’re together fighting to save the universe is at least a comforting thought. Even in the face of losing her husband, she continues to fight for her children, keeping them safe anyway she can, and it’s the clearest when looking at the 2040 arc. * * *Emily Bett Rickards has done a phenomenal job bringing Felicity Smoak to life for the last 7 years, which makes her final scene even more emotional. Her walking into the portal with The Monitor, eagerly going forward to reunite with her husband. It’s going to be so strange to have a season of Arrow without Felicity’s remarkable genius, warmth, and heart. But this finale does a great job of sending her off as a hero. * * * I appreciate that a Ruelle song (“Madness”) opens the season and another Ruelle song (“The Other Side”) closes out the season, serving as a neat bookend to Arrow Season 7. Edited May 14, 2019 by tv echo 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5293655
JamieLynn832002 May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, tv echo said: Huh? What did this writer watch?... Arrow Finally Revealed Why Oliver Isn't in the Flash-Forwards By Lindsay MacDonald | May 13, 2019https://www.tvguide.com/news/arrow-season-7-finale-oliver-queen-dies-crisis-infinite-earth/ I like her but I'm not sure Lindsay Macdonald pays enough attention to the show to be writing articles about it, in an earlier spec post she theorized Felicity couldn't fake her death and go into hiding because she'd already done that. You know, that excellent plan where she murdered the witnesses and hid herself in a secret prison room in Galaxy One headquarters or as we know it, that time when Galaxy One faked her death and kidnapped her. Edited May 14, 2019 by JamieLynn832002 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5294045
apinknightmare May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 As much as Arrow likes to hit people over the head with things - I think they needed to be a little more clear about where exactly she was going. It makes sense if you're familiar with the Crisis comics, but if you weren't thinking about it super hard and you thought Oliver was legit dead-as-we-know-it dead, I could see being a little confused by Monitor telling her that she couldn't come back. It was easy to understand that she was going to see him, but where and how was a little muddy. Some people who—granted, have a stake in not believing that O/F got their happily ever after—think she just...went off with Monitor somewhere, lmao. 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5294057
JamieLynn832002 May 14, 2019 Share May 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, apinknightmare said: As much as Arrow likes to hit people over the head with things - I think they needed to be a little more clear about where exactly she was going. I do agree with this, especially in an episode that had Oliver explaining what Palmer Tech was (possibly to Felicity!) a little less vagueness wouldn't have hurt Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5294102
Mellowyellow May 15, 2019 Share May 15, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, apinknightmare said: Some people who—granted, have a stake in not believing that O/F got their happily ever after—think she just...went off with Monitor somewhere, lmao. There are people who think Felicity just ran off with Monitor for no reason??? Really??? There was a whole speech on how she's waited years to see Oliver!!!! Plus wedding ring twisting before she went into the portal!!! 6 hours ago, tv echo said: Huh? What did this writer watch?... Arrow Finally Revealed Why Oliver Isn't in the Flash-Forwards By Lindsay MacDonald | May 13, 2019https://www.tvguide.com/news/arrow-season-7-finale-oliver-queen-dies-crisis-infinite-earth/ I'm 100% sure they are not dead and am relieved but dead together would have been ok with me too. She went to him after fulfilling her promise 20 years later. Epic no matter which way you look at it. I still won!!!!!! Edited May 15, 2019 by Mellowyellow 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5294173
apinknightmare May 15, 2019 Share May 15, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said: There are people who think Felicity just ran off with Monitor for no reason??? Really??? There was a whole speech on how she's waited years to see Oliver!!!! Plus wedding ring twisting before she went into the portal!!! Yes. They tend to be of the more delusional sort but I can't tell if it's because that's what they genuinely believe or if they're just trying to troll Olicity shippers. I tend to think the former, just based on posting history LOL. Edited May 15, 2019 by apinknightmare 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5294197
Mellowyellow May 15, 2019 Share May 15, 2019 1 minute ago, apinknightmare said: Yes. They tend to be of the more delusional sort but I can't tell if it's because that's what they genuinely believe or if they're just trying to troll Olicity shippers. I tend to think the former, just based on posting history LOL. So Felicity ran of with Monitor after 20 years. The wench. That's one way to console yourself I guess😂 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5294201
calliope1975 May 15, 2019 Share May 15, 2019 1 hour ago, apinknightmare said: Some people who—granted, have a stake in not believing that O/F got their happily ever after—think she just...went off with Monitor somewhere, lmao. The Monitor seems like a pretty cool guy to go on a road world dimension trip with I suppose. (And I thought I didn't pay attention.) Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5294253
statsgirl May 15, 2019 Share May 15, 2019 I'm going with the Monitor met Felicity when he went to pick up Oliver, was smitten with her, and waited till the kids had grown up to claim her. She's superhero catnip. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5294560
Mellowyellow May 15, 2019 Share May 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, statsgirl said: I'm going with the Monitor met Felicity when he went to pick up Oliver, was smitten with her, and waited till the kids had grown up to claim her. She's superhero catnip. You do realise there are people who are going to believe you and run with that theory right????? 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5294584
Featherhat May 15, 2019 Share May 15, 2019 (edited) I think they were being deliberately vague because of COIE (still). But seriously, they showed his grave with 10 eps to go after teasing it since the crossover then had Felicity willingly walk through to join him. Gee, I wonder it it could be something other than "dead dead"? Even if it was she went willingly after 20 years, after making sure her kids were going to be okay and they have absolute proof of life after death in the Arrowverse so it's definitely still a well deserved rest rather than too morbid. I guess there is some wishful thinking going on as well as trolling and playing dumb for the readers. Then again I've also seen some speculation about GA/BC now/ post crisis and all I can think is "after that? Really?" Maybe somewhere in Oliver's multiverse travels if we see them but not to end the show on unless there are some serious BTS shenanigans. Edited May 15, 2019 by Featherhat 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5294881
Mellowyellow May 15, 2019 Share May 15, 2019 (edited) Remember when we used to laugh and joke that even if Olicity had kids together, certain people would say "GA/BC in heaven is endgame." Well now Olicity have had kids together and are in a void/paradise realm/heaven/black hole/whatever you want to call it and certain people are still crowing GA/BC 😂 I admire the fortitude I really do 😁 Edited May 15, 2019 by Mellowyellow 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5294946
SmallScreenDiva May 15, 2019 Share May 15, 2019 I think some of those fans are seizing comments made in the reviews and articles about how next season will be very different, especially with Felicity gone. I can see how, if they ignore everything else that the show has said about Olicity, they would interpret it as their chance, so to speak. Even if the show going there would mean chucking out 7 years worth of story. I mean, Oliver and Laurel shook hands! Oh, the chemistry! 😜🤣 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5295876
KenyaJ May 15, 2019 Share May 15, 2019 17 hours ago, Mellowyellow said: There are people who think Felicity just ran off with Monitor for no reason??? Really??? Read it and weep –– or laugh hysterically. 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5296067
Featherhat May 15, 2019 Share May 15, 2019 (edited) E1LL was last seen watching the Wizard of Oz ( with Sara via the Spear) so I guess that's heaven. And that's the only part of that tweet I could kind of agree with. Seriously. Even if Oliver was really most sincerely dead, Felicity isn't just going to bug out of the rest of her lifetime hang around with The Monitor. That's some reaching there.There are lots of ways they could have given Olicity a very sad ending, what they chose isn't one of them whether it was SA's idea or not. If they wanted GA/BC to be together there were many opportunities, which they didn't take either, the nearest one was Sara. They could do a multiverse one next season but not our Oliver. Plus there's still the chemistry problem. Edited May 15, 2019 by Featherhat 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5296108
kes0704 May 15, 2019 Share May 15, 2019 1 hour ago, KenyaJ said: Read it and weep –– or laugh hysterically. Their dedication to not understating what the show presents onscreen is remarkable. Who, if not Oliver, did they think Felicity was talking about when she said to The Monitor “I’ve been waiting a very long time to see him”? The biggest problem anyone wanting a GA/BC pairing will always have, with Stephen and Katie in the roles, is their lack of spark and romantic chemistry. I don’t think that’s going to be fixed or undergo a miraculous change simply because Emily/Felicity is no longer on the show. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5296378
BkWurm1 May 15, 2019 Share May 15, 2019 It's not just spec about GA and BC in the afterlife. I was checking out the anti-Felicity hashtags and some think Oliver and E2 Laurel are going to hook up and fall in love while Felicity is in hiding with their baby. Now I'm waiting for their fics that has Oliver secretly surviving the Crisis but choosing to fake his death and move to Earth Two with Black Siren. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5296722
Featherhat May 15, 2019 Share May 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said: It's not just spec about GA and BC in the afterlife. I was checking out the anti-Felicity hashtags and some think Oliver and E2 Laurel are going to hook up and fall in love while Felicity is in hiding with their baby. Now I'm waiting for their fics that has Oliver secretly surviving the Crisis but choosing to fake his death and move to Earth Two with Black Siren. Yeah because the whole thing with him being with his family (minus forgotten William) and giving epic declarations of love etc really scream they're planning on doing that. That would be the most jackass Oliver move ever and that's saying something. Again there were plenty of times when 'LL was alive to do that and they didn't have to give them that send off, they could have broken up or not bothered with the domestic bliss. If SA was staying in for a couple more seasons I might be able to see it at least with a temp interest if not a BC but not with 10 eps left, unless it's a doppelganger or a batshit directive from WBDC. Then again..... Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/8621-the-starling-city-times-news-and-media-about-arrow/page/306/#findComment-5296772
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