Kim Richards: No Escape from Witch Mountain

[LotusFlower]

Her kids may have visited her so that the lawyers could say they were supporting her "Treatment", so I think it happened. This was all a play for time and to make the courts think/believe that she was serious about getting clean/sober, it is all a game to her and nothing more. I have to wonder if this court/prosecutor will call her out on the fact that she left rehab early and then went on another binge and was caught/arrested for shoplifting. At some point, the prosecutor in 1 of these cases needs to point out her game to the Judge and then they need to come down on her hard, as hard as they can legally.

A judge would never ask or care if family members are supporting a patient in rehab - it's totally irrelevant legally. Think about how unfair that would be to someone who's trying to work a program but doesn't have family support. Or flip it around - what if Kim's family is not supporting Kim's latest stint - should a judge take that into consideration?

Kim's case this week is about the drunken arrest charge. Since it was her first offense, she might get off easy. Even though the shoplifting case is less serious (a misdemeanor), the judge or prosecutor might be less lenient, seeing that it happened on the heels of the first charge, and there's clearly a problem here. But what do I know? I'm not a real lawyer, I just play one online.

Edited August 25, 2015 by LotusFlower

[WireWrap]

A judge would never ask or care if family members are supporting a patient in rehab - it's totally irrelevant legally. Think about how unfair that would be to someone who's trying to work a program but doesn't have family support. Or flip it around - what if Kim's family is not supporting Kim's latest stint - should a judge take that into consideration?

Kim's case this week is about the drunken arrest charge. Since it was her first offense, she might get off easy. Even though the shoplifting case is less serious (a misdemeanor), the judge or prosecutor might be less lenient, seeing that it happened on the heels of the first charge, and there's clearly a problem here. But what do I know? I'm not a real lawyer, I just play one online.

Kim's lawyers were asking for a postponement in her second case last week when she was in this facility and they needed to show where Kim was, as she was supposed to be there. So they showed a legal letter saying that Kim is a patient in a new "facility" that is located in OC and to help boost that they showed that Kim's family is involved and supporting her choice to get help. It may not be admissible in a trial but in a pretrial hearing, I am sure Kim's lawyers thought it would help sway the prosecutor into giving Kim that postponement. If her lawyers could sway the prosecutor, most Judges would go along with it and they did in fact postpone the pretrial hearing. I would also bet that her lawyers are trying to get a plea bargain with the prosecutors for her on this charge like they tried to do on the BH drunk/battery charges ( that Kim blew BTW). JMO as well. LOL

[LotusFlower]

Kim's lawyers were asking for a postponement in her second case last week when she was in this facility and they needed to show where Kim was, as she was supposed to be there. So they showed a legal letter saying that Kim is a patient in a new "facility" that is located in OC and to help boost that they showed that Kim's family is involved and supporting her choice to get help. It may not be admissible in a trial but in a pretrial hearing, I am sure Kim's lawyers thought it would help sway the prosecutor into giving Kim that postponement.

From everything that I read about the court date last week, Kim's lawyer showed the judge a signed letter of retainment, as well as a letter from a program acknowledging Kim as a patient. I didn't read anything about the facility being in the OC, or anything about her family's support. Can you tell me where you read this? I'd be happy to stand corrected. But if it's Radar Online - don't bother!!

[GreatKazu]

If she's not in a rehab program or hospital, then she lied to the court, and she (or her family) paid a facility to lie on her behalf. Who knows. It's all so tiresome.

Couldn't Kim be in a mental facility instead of a rehab? Maybe that was the info presented to the court? Perez is noting she is NOT in a rehab. That doesn't mean she isn't locked up elsewhere.

Edited August 25, 2015 by GreatKazu

[LotusFlower]

Couldn't Kim be in a mental facility instead of a rehab? Maybe that was the info presented to the court? Perez is noting she is NOT in a rehab. That doesn't mean she isn't locked up elsewhere.

Well, the lawyer used the word "program," so I doubt it, but I don't really know. Like I wrote to Wire, even if she is being treated for psych problems, she's also a drug addict, so that has to be treated as well. I'm thinking we might find out more this week if her court date for arrest #1 happens.

[GreatKazu]

Well, the lawyer used the word "program," so I doubt it, but I don't really know. Like I wrote to Wire, even if she is being treated for psych problems, she's also a drug addict, so that has to be treated as well. I'm thinking we might find out more this week if her court date for arrest #1 happens.

Just thinking here, maybe the attorney used that word to hide the fact she is in a mental facility? With how things get out, and being in court isn't exactly a private place, the attorney handing over the letter, the info would be between the judge and the attorney, not anyone else in the courtroom audience.

Edited August 25, 2015 by GreatKazu

[LotusFlower]

Just thinking here, maybe the attorney used that word to hide the fact she is in a mental facility? With how things get out, and being in court isn't exactly a private place, the attorney handing over the letter, the info would be between the judge and the attorney, not anyone else in the courtroom audience.

Ok, but like I wrote earlier, she would still need to be treated for her drug addictions, so I'm not sure why this detail is important, or why her lawyer or family would try to shield her or hide this. Isn't the cat already out of the bag on Kim Richards? Didn't Dr. Phil say to Kim on national TV that she needs to be treated for underlying psychological stresses and issues?

[ebkitty]

Monty posted this on his IG, but took it down a little while later.

 

And tomorrow be prepared to read my post," "I've found out a lot of stuff and I'm not afraid to say how I feel, the truth will started [sic] getting out about every situation in the last 5 years. I thank her fans who have believed in @kimrichards11 through her journey and you will not be let down. Isn't that what friends are for, I had to find out the truth first because I wouldn't want to lie and finally I know through some of this investigating work from another friends all the details and all the people who have been selling these false story's 5 percent truth rest lies. I wouldn't do this for Kim but would also do it for my family and friends. And if I wanted to I could say a lot of things about others that I know for a fact but a lot of people would be hurt. I just believe in love, living your life as you wish as long as you don't hurt others. Photographs of others, that would ruin families, voice mails, paperwork. But since so many people trust in me as a gentleman I would ask them if I could say it first. Then people can judge their perfect lives. Also I will mentioned the name who has been selling and telling these false stories I have it on tape."

 

This is such an addict and enablers response. To me this just screams that Kim is still mad at everyone for not going a long with her junkie program. She'll show them.

[mwell345]

I have no doubt believing that Kim has pronounced herself cured and left another facility or program.  She's continually denied she's had a problem to begin with.

 

If what we have been reading all along is correct, she has no home, no money, no job prospects except for the ones in Monty's head, and 2 arrests in the last few months.  She is clearly self destructing.   I feel badly for her family and I hope they are preparing themselves for the worst, because one of these days, "Kim Richards" is going to be "trending" and it's going to be for a very sad reason.

[Lura]

To repeat in case others missed it, the announcement of Kim's admission to this "facility" had the wording changed from "facility" to "inpatient hospital treatment."  Apparently, the term "facility" brought questions from many people, so it was clarified late last night.

 

As for a family visit after a week, that would depend on the doctor and the facility.  I personally see nothing wrong with it and several good sides to it.  If a visit helps to give a patient a sense of being loved and supported, then why not?

 

I have wondered all along how long-suffering Monty could be over this Kim situation.  He sounds very upset to me, but whether he has his facts straight or is too sick to know what he's saying is anyone's guess.  If he's on the money, he could certainly blow a dozen whistles on various people.  I'm seriously hoping he's on the level.  Monty seems to imply that someone else is helping Kim.  Do we have a few guesses as to whom that might be?  Does this have something to do with two RHOBH ladies' firings?

 

If this latest report is true and Kim really has flown the coop, I think I'm going to root for her.  She's pretty much shown everyone else to be a fool with her escapes and escapades.  Of course, I'm kidding, but sometimes it does seem like the world against Kim (maybe as it should be).  The near future should be interesting.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Lura

[motorcitymom65]

Monty posted this on his IG, but took it down a little while later.  

 

And tomorrow be prepared to read my post," "I've found out a lot of stuff and I'm not afraid to say how I feel, the truth will started [sic] getting out about every situation in the last 5 years. I thank her fans who have believed in @kimrichards11 through her journey and you will not be let down. Isn't that what friends are for, I had to find out the truth first because I wouldn't want to lie and finally I know through some of this investigating work from another friends all the details and all the people who have been selling these false story's 5 percent truth rest lies. I wouldn't do this for Kim but would also do it for my family and friends. And if I wanted to I could say a lot of things about others that I know for a fact but a lot of people would be hurt. I just believe in love, living your life as you wish as long as you don't hurt others. Photographs of others, that would ruin families, voice mails, paperwork. But since so many people trust in me as a gentleman I would ask them if I could say it first. Then people can judge their perfect lives. Also I will mentioned the name who has been selling and telling these false stories I have it on tape."

It's an interesting post, and even more interesting that he took it down.

 

My thoughts immediately went to the idea that he was going to slam Kyle. I can seen Kim hating her right now, and pulling Monty in. Apparently others must have thought this as well, because he posted a picture of Kyle yesterday, with the following:

 

"Just to set the record straight. I have nothing but love for her and her family we've been family for over thirty years. A very kind hearted person who loves her family and friends.Where all this stuff comes up I don't know. Only wish the best for her and family. We've had a lot of laughs and good times though the years. And one last thing she is a great mother to her children"

[NewGranny]

Kim posted on Instagram two days ago a Happy Birthday greeting to Kimberly. Wherever she is, she still has access to social media.

[notnowimbusy]

Kim posted on Instagram two days ago a Happy Birthday greeting to Kimberly. Wherever she is, she still has access to social media.

She's probably at Monty's (wherever he's staying now).   Yeah sounds like her family came to visit, got her riled up, she left, went to Monty and was on a tear about all the secrets she knows.  Monty took it to heart and post that message on IG, and then allowed Kim to post for her daughter's BD.  

[LotusFlower]

As for a family visit after a week, that would depend on the doctor and the facility.  I personally see nothing wrong with it and several good sides to it.  If a visit helps to give a patient a sense of being loved and supported, then why not?

It's standard practice to not allow family visits for weeks, sometimes months, depending on the patient. There are tons of reasons, but the most important centers around teaching the addict to focus on themself, and only themself, in their quest to get well. So many times, an addict refuses treatment because so-and-so needs me, or this or that obligation - rehab is a place where they can focus on themselves only, with no outside distractions, which are often, of course, excuses to keep the habit going.

Family and friends also bring dynamics to the table that an addict isn't yet ready to handle after such a short time. Sometimes a family can be supportive, and sometimes they're not. Those dynamics are way too fragile, and the issues way too deep, for an addict at this stage. Look at Kim's family - think about all the issues between Kyle and Kim. Even if Kyle could bury them in an attempt to show support, Kim can't stand her and lashes out due to long-simmering jealousy and bitterness. A visit from Monty the Enabler would do more harm than good for obvious reasons, and as for Kim's kids - we saw a glimpse of how she treats them behind closed doors on Dr. Phil. She's manipulative and controlling, and they're angry and fed up.

[Higgins]

Even if she's being treated for psychological issues, she's still a hardcore drug addict, so the rules against a family visit still apply. But it's all such bullshit. Why do so many folks believe these obviously fake stories on ROL? Kim hates rehab, never goes on her own, and has left early each and every time.

Maybe we'll find out something resembling the truth at her court appearance this week.

Not true.

[walnutqueen]

Monty is a delusional addle-pated liar just like Kim.  #hashtags notwithstanding.

[WireWrap]

It's standard practice to not allow family visits for weeks, sometimes months, depending on the patient. There are tons of reasons, but the most important centers around teaching the addict to focus on themself, and only themself, in their quest to get well. So many times, an addict refuses treatment because so-and-so needs me, or this or that obligation - rehab is a place where they can focus on themselves only, with no outside distractions, which are often, of course, excuses to keep the habit going.

Family and friends also bring dynamics to the table that an addict isn't yet ready to handle after such a short time. Sometimes a family can be supportive, and sometimes they're not. Those dynamics are way too fragile, and the issues way too deep, for an addict at this stage. Look at Kim's family - think about all the issues between Kyle and Kim. Even if Kyle could bury them in an attempt to show support, Kim can't stand her and lashes out due to long-simmering jealousy and bitterness. A visit from Monty the Enabler would do more harm than good for obvious reasons, and as for Kim's kids - we saw a glimpse of how she treats them behind closed doors on Dr. Phil. She's manipulative and controlling, and they're angry and fed up.

If Kim was in a Psych facility, family visits are encouraged and we don't know who the family member(s) were that saw her. For all we know, it could have been Kathy or just 1 of her kids going there to answer staff questions and not a real "visit". I don't think Kim went in whatever facility to get any sort of help but instead went to make her look better to the courts. If it was a rehab, it could have been a very lax rehab with few rules, ones that are designed more for relaxation/rest than getting help. I can see Kim going there thinking this will cover her butt in court.

[LotusFlower]

If Kim was in a Psych facility, family visits are encouraged and we don't know who the family member(s) were that saw her. For all we know, it could have been Kathy or just 1 of her kids going there to answer staff questions and not a real "visit". 

Can you tell me where you read that Kim was in a facility or program and had a family visit? Cuz there's a lot of discussion over something that might just be a rumor or made-up gossip.

[WireWrap]

Can you tell me where you read that Kim was in a facility or program and had a family visit? Cuz there's a lot of discussion over something that might just be a rumor or made-up gossip.

Someone posted a link earlier but I do think it was ROL, which is why I didn't respond earlier. I think ROL had a reporter/employee in the court for this last hearing and that is how they got the information.

[LotusFlower]

Someone posted a link earlier but I do think it was ROL, which is why I didn't respond earlier. I think ROL had a reporter/employee in the court for this last hearing and that is how they got the information.

You know they make things up, right? And they didn't have a reporter in the courthouse, because then they would have reported it as other outlets did (with facts) as opposed to saying "sources said..." Sometimes they post legal stories with documents and legal filings, and I read the documents and ignore their drivel, but at least there's something to go on. Here, it was just total fabrication.

[WireWrap]

You know they make things up, right? And they didn't have a reporter in the courthouse, because then they would have reported it as other outlets did (with facts) as opposed to saying "sources said..." Sometimes they post legal stories with documents and legal filings, and I read the documents and ignore their drivel, but at least there's something to go on. Here, it was just total fabrication.

Anything is possible! LOL Again, I can see Kim and her legal team trying this, it fits her MO. Nothing is ever Kim's fault but when she gets caught, she goes into rehab for a very short while, leaves early and declares herself well when she thinks the smoke has cleared. LOL

[LotusFlower]

Anything is possible! LOL Again, I can see Kim and her legal team trying this, it fits her MO. Nothing is ever Kim's fault but when she gets caught, she goes into rehab for a very short while, leaves early and declares herself well when she thinks the smoke has cleared. LOL

Well, sure, anything's possible, but I'm just saying that at this past court appearance, we know what did happen (the retainer letter, the letter from some program, and a continuance 'til Sept. 11), and we know what didn't happen (more details on the program, ie. its location, or any talk of a family visit) because a court proceeding is public information, and the facts were reported.

As for Kim's legal team, her lawyer for the shoplifting case is different than the lawyer that was representing her for the drunken arrest case, which is curious. I wonder if something is going on there. Which lawyer will be present for the next court date on Aug. 31? If it's the new lawyer, will she try for yet another continuance, saying she's new to the case? Is this another stall tactic? Or did the first lawyer not show up because Kim isn't cooperating?

[Giselle]

It's an interesting post, and even more interesting that he took it down.

 

My thoughts immediately went to the idea that he was going to slam Kyle. I can seen Kim hating her right now, and pulling Monty in. Apparently others must have thought this as well, because he posted a picture of Kyle yesterday, with the following:

 

"Just to set the record straight. I have nothing but love for her and her family we've been family for over thirty years. A very kind hearted person who loves her family and friends.Where all this stuff comes up I don't know. Only wish the best for her and family. We've had a lot of laughs and good times though the years. And one last thing she is a great mother to her children"

 

Ah, more rainbows and unicorns shot out of Monty's ass.

 

Shut up Monty, if she were a great mother to her children they wouldn't have had to go on National TV and confront her about her boozing and drugging and get bitched at for their efforts. Yup, that's a fine mother right there! None better. Snort,snort, guzzle, guzzle, sniff, sniff!

 

Edited to add: I didn't realize he was talking about Kyle. Sorry.  But what I said above still holds up when it comes to Kim.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Giselle

[rehoboth]

Ah, more rainbows and unicorns shot out of Monty's ass.

 

Shut up Monty, if she were a great mother to her children they wouldn't have had to go on National TV and confront her about her boozing and drugging and get bitched at for their efforts. Yup, that's a fine mother right there! None better. Snort,snort, guzzle, guzzle, sniff, sniff!

 

I thought the great mother comments were directed to Kyle.  Maybe this was a kind of thank you to her for her involvement with Brooke throughout the years.

 

He's been kinda quiet about Kim's mothering skills.

[Giselle]

I thought the great mother comments were directed to Kyle.  Maybe this was a kind of thank you to her for her involvement with Brooke throughout the years.

 

He's been kinda quiet about Kim's mothering skills.

 

 

You are 100% right. I thought he was talking about Kim. I'm not on instagram and missed the quip about the pic of Kyle. Sorry

[WireWrap]

Well, sure, anything's possible, but I'm just saying that at this past court appearance, we know what did happen (the retainer letter, the letter from some program, and a continuance 'til Sept. 11), and we know what didn't happen (more details on the program, ie. its location, or any talk of a family visit) because a court proceeding is public information, and the facts were reported.

As for Kim's legal team, her lawyer for the shoplifting case is different than the lawyer that was representing her for the drunken arrest case, which is curious. I wonder if something is going on there. Which lawyer will be present for the next court date on Aug. 31? If it's the new lawyer, will she try for yet another continuance, saying she's new to the case? Is this another stall tactic? Or did the first lawyer not show up because Kim isn't cooperating?

Is the new lawyer part of the same law group or completely separate? Wasn't one of the lawyers part of the group that handled Paris/Barron's cases? If so and the new lawyer is NOT part of that group/practice, maybe Kathy really has stepped away from Kim and stopped paying her legal bills!

[LotusFlower]

Is the new lawyer part of the same law group or completely separate? Wasn't one of the lawyers part of the group that handled Paris/Barron's cases? If so and the new lawyer is NOT part of that group/practice, maybe Kathy really has stepped away from Kim and stopped paying her legal bills!

Where's Zoeysmom when you need her?! She's always the one that does this kind of legal research! I think Robert Shapiro was her first lawyer, who is a pretty prominent atty, and the second lawyer's name is Sara Caplan. If ZM doesn't chime in, I google later on. Oh, and I'm not sure who Paris and Baron's lawyer is. Good question, and if it's not the same, your theory is probably correct.

[Lura]

It's standard practice to not allow family visits for weeks, sometimes months, depending on the patient.

 

I'm a little bit sensitive to the term "standard practice" because it is too often used to make something sound more official than it is.  When visitors may come to see a patient depends on what facility a patient is in, what their rules are (if any), and the patient.  I would guess that the patient's psychiatrist might be consulted as well.  Each case is different.

 

I read the article about Kim's visitors but can't find it again on Google.  One was her daughter, Whitney, and I forget the other, but it wasn't another family member or Brandi as I recall.  In any case, it's more or less irrelevant now that Kim has disappeared again, IMHO. 

 

I wonder what's up with Monty and whether or not someone twisted his arm to remove his post.  It's one more Richards/Hilton/Urmansky family secret.  Will they never end?

[thewhiteowl]

There are tons of reasons, but the most important centers around teaching the addict to focus on themself, and only themself, in their quest to get well.

 

 I get what you are saying but I don't think Kim has any problem focusing on herself.

[Found A Peanut]

I get what you are saying but I don't think Kim has any problem focusing on herself.

Her sense of blame is quite wide ranging. At least in that, Kim is always putting others first.

[rehoboth]

You are 100% right. I thought he was talking about Kim. I'm not on instagram and missed the quip about the pic of Kyle. Sorry

 

You are 100 % right about Kim's mothering skills.  It really gets to me when Kim brings up how she is always Doing Things for Her Children.  If she spent as much time thinking about her kids as she does thinking about her next high, they would feel loved indeed.  Instead we get her holding them up like human shields to deflect from her own selfish behavior.

[LotusFlower]

I'm a little bit sensitive to the term "standard practice" because it is too often used to make something sound more official than it is.  When visitors may come to see a patient depends on what facility a patient is in, what their rules are (if any), and the patient.  I would guess that the patient's psychiatrist might be consulted as well.  Each case is different.

Official isn't the right word, or it's not the word I meant. I wasn't talking about Kim the psychiatric patient, but Kim the drug addict, and as such, any rehab facility with credentials works with the patients on focusing on themselves, which obviously can't be done with outside distractions. It's not something I realized until I learned about rehab. And yes, every rehab and/or hospital has rules.

 

I read the article about Kim's visitors but can't find it again on Google.  One was her daughter, Whitney, and I forget the other, but it wasn't another family member or Brandi as I recall.  In any case, it's more or less irrelevant now that Kim has disappeared again, IMHO. 

It was Radar Online, and they didn't name any family member individually. They make shit up, but if you believe them, feel free.

[LotusFlower]

Is the new lawyer part of the same law group or completely separate? Wasn't one of the lawyers part of the group that handled Paris/Barron's cases? If so and the new lawyer is NOT part of that group/practice, maybe Kathy really has stepped away from Kim and stopped paying her legal bills!

Ok, so a quick google search tells me that Kim's new lawyer, Sara Caplan, is not an associate at Robert Shapiro's firm. It's certainly curious that she needs a new lawyer for a 2nd case. Maybe she's not paying her bills? Maybe Kathy isn't paying the bills anymore, as you guessed? (And yes, Robert Shapiro is the atty on record for Barron's current case). Maybe Kim is MIA? I'm not sure, but it doesn't sound like a good sign for her. There should be some movement on this at her Aug. 31 court date for the first charge.

[zoeysmom]

Ok, so a quick google search tells me that Kim's new lawyer, Sara Caplan, is not an associate at Robert Shapiro's firm. It's certainly curious that she needs a new lawyer for a 2nd case. Maybe she's not paying her bills? Maybe Kathy isn't paying the bills anymore, as you guessed? (And yes, Robert Shapiro is the atty on record for Barron's current case). Maybe Kim is MIA? I'm not sure, but it doesn't sound like a good sign for her. There should be some movement on this at her Aug. 31 court date for the first charge.

Sara use to work with Bob and so he most likely referred her a high profile.  Not to sound ageist but I think Shapiro is close to 75, maybe a bit younger-too lazy to look it up.

 

I don't think Kim is presently in an in-patient program.

Edited August 26, 2015 by zoeysmom

[zoeysmom]

She's probably at Monty's (wherever he's staying now).   Yeah sounds like her family came to visit, got her riled up, she left, went to Monty and was on a tear about all the secrets she knows.  Monty took it to heart and post that message on IG, and then allowed Kim to post for her daughter's BD.  

I think they are blaming Kim's BFF, the daughter of the dog bite victim as the source of the stories or the dog bite victim herself.  I have forgotten the daughter's name but Kim spoke of her in the blog where she was refuting Brandi's claims she had no friends.

[zoeysmom]

In the scheme of things for the legal system-chances are they will let the shoplift drop because clearly Kim is not in her right mind.  I doubt we will ever see Kim before the judge.

 

As far as Radar on Line, at the end of each appearance, the clerk enters a hand written minute order.  There is a court reporter's transcript-rarely transcribed and a form that is filled out by the courtroom clerk that essentially list what has happened. (Minute Order)  If it is a misdemeanor sentencing, there are check off boxes for time in custody, fine, classes, community service and probation term.  Either the defendant or the attorney for the defendant signs it.  If it is an attorney they waive reading all the rights, if it is a defendant the judge reads all the conditions, appeals and the whole works.   If it is a continuance, then it is ordered and noted.  Because of this case, the Court would not put on the record for Kim or anyone else what specific facility she is or was in.  The Court sees it and the clerk is then ordered to have be made part of the file and it is put in the file in a sealed envelope.  Same with many psychological evaluations in family law cases.  The Court has also been known to read it hand it to the prosecutor and hand it back to defense counsel.  The Court's concern is with the prosecutor and defense counsel can hammer out a deal.  Kim's crimes are microscopically mild-she really isn't a crime wave.  I doubt we will see her anywhere near a courtroom.  I do think she will get out of community service due to her mental state. 

[WireWrap]

Sara use to work with Bob and so he most likely referred her a high profile.  Not to sound ageist but I think Shapiro is close to 75, maybe a bit younger-too lazy to look it up.

 

I don't think Kim is presently in an in-patient program.

If ROLs last story was correct, Kim left whatever facility she was in already and I believe it. She has to have been in 1 so that her lawyer could present that to the court and now that she has the postponement she walked. This is her MO, she gets caught doing something by family, the police or the courts and she goes into some kind of treatment until the heat is off her and then walks out declaring she is "well", "sober", "healthy" until she is caught again.

[Lura]

LotusFlower, you didn't get it because I didn't explain it well.  Sorry.  I'll try again.

 

I was on Google, reading about rehabs and trying to learn more.  I came across a rehab near Colorado Springs, I think, which not only allows patients visits from family members 24/7, but they also have a separate area at the facility where family pets can visit!  I guess that patients can go down to that area and cuddle up with Fido or Kitty, and they all feel better.  :)  That led me to think about Kim and the possible problems if Kingsley came to visit her!  You just know that Kim would insist on seeing her pit bull, which is why I said it was a good thing she's probably never heard of the place.

 

Better this time, I hope!  :)

Edited August 27, 2015 by Lura

[LotusFlower]

LotusFlower, I think it's a lucky break for everyone concerned that Kim apparently has never heard of a rehab place in Colorado.  Not only is the family welcome to visit all day, but even the patients' pets are allowed to visit in a special area!  Imagine that center trying to deal with Kim AND Kingsley!!!   LOL

Sorry, I don't know what you mean. Colorado?

If ROLs last story was correct, Kim left whatever facility she was in already and I believe it. She has to have been in 1 so that her lawyer could present that to the court and now that she has the postponement she walked. This is her MO, she gets caught doing something by family, the police or the courts and she goes into some kind of treatment until the heat is off her and then walks out declaring she is "well", "sober", "healthy" until she is caught again.

Right. But she has to face the music on the charges, doesn't she? Even if the court orders rehab instead of jail or some other punishment, then she won't get away with bailing early. I would think there would be consequences. Remember what we learned from the Giudice sentencing hearing - a judge, and his or her orders, don't like to be ignored!

[WireWrap]

Sorry, I don't know what you mean. Colorado?

Right. But she has to face the music on the charges, doesn't she? Even if the court orders rehab instead of jail or some other punishment, then she won't get away with bailing early. I would think there would be consequences. Remember what we learned from the Giudice sentencing hearing - a judge, and his or her orders, don't like to be ignored!

I think because all of her charges were misdemeanor's and she is not a habitual petty criminal, there isn't much the Courts can or will do. I don't think we will see any punishment beyond a small(ish) fine, community service and a short probation (that may include testing for drugs/alcohol if they are hard on her) but beyond that, nothing. I also think Kim will tow the line long enough to get through whatever the punishment is but will relapse shortly afterwards. Again, it is her MO, do just enough to put everyone at ease then quietly slip back into drugs/alcohol/never, never land where she wants to be and I honestly don't see that changing now.

[LotusFlower]

I think because all of her charges were misdemeanor's and she is not a habitual petty criminal, there isn't much the Courts can or will do. I don't think we will see any punishment beyond a small(ish) fine, community service and a short probation (that may include testing for drugs/alcohol if they are hard on her) but beyond that, nothing. I also think Kim will tow the line long enough to get through whatever the punishment is but will relapse shortly afterwards. Again, it is her MO, do just enough to put everyone at ease then quietly slip back into drugs/alcohol/never, never land where she wants to be and I honestly don't see that changing now.

I agree with this, but even this would be some form of facing the music. Even if this is all she gets, she's going to be admonished by a judge, and even probation will be humiliating and difficult for her (I think she'll be subjected to random drug tests). So I think she'll still be in a world of trouble until, and if, she ever gets real about sobriety.

[zoeysmom]

I don't see Kim being ordered for drug testing because the most serious of the two violations involved alcohol.  I think the most important thing is Kim not be driving-she obviously admits to being drunk and driving.  It would seem her family's focus would be on seeing that she not drive.

[Lura]

Can you tell me where you read that Kim was in a facility or program and had a family visit? Cuz there's a lot of discussion over something that might just be a rumor or made-up gossip.

 

Someone posted a link earlier but I do think it was ROL, which is why I didn't respond earlier. I think ROL had a reporter/employee in the court for this last hearing and that is how they got the information.

 

The article to which I was referring was written by Lindsay Cronin at Inquisitr two days ago.  While the article is lengthy, this small portion is relevant to the conversation at hand.  It reads:

 

As the Inquisitr previously reported, Richards allegedly received a visit from her family just days ago, prior to her sudden exit from the facility.  According to a Radar Online report, the Beverly Hills housewife's son, Chad David [sic], and one of her daughters who wasn't named [later established to be Whitney] paid Richards a visit, as Monty Brinson, her ex-husband, was forced to stay home due to his ongoing battle with cancer.

 

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2364083/beverly-hills-housewife-kim-richards-ditches-rehab-shes-going-to-end-up-dead-claims-source-report#oACutGdqGut6RkLs.99

 

 

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[WireWrap]

The article to which I was referring was written by Lindsay Cronin at Inquisitr two days ago.  While the article is lengthy, this small portion is relevant to the conversation at hand.  It reads:

 

As the Inquisitr previously reported, Richards allegedly received a visit from her family just days ago, prior to her sudden exit from the facility.  According to a Radar Online report, the Beverly Hills housewife's son, Chad David [sic], and one of her daughters who wasn't named [later established to be Whitney] paid Richards a visit, as Monty Brinson, her ex-husband, was forced to stay home due to his ongoing battle with cancer.

 

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2364083/beverly-hills-housewife-kim-richards-ditches-rehab-shes-going-to-end-up-dead-claims-source-report#oACutGdqGut6RkLs.99

 

 

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There are several tabloids now reporting the family visit and that Kim is MIA but like your article, they all use ROL as the source/reference. LOL Now if they have a different named source, not the typical "un named/family friend source" it could be taken more serious. ROL has been correct before so this could be a true story/report but they also make stuff up so it is 50/50 whether or not this is true. LOL

[LotusFlower]

The article to which I was referring was written by Lindsay Cronin at Inquisitr two days ago.  While the article is lengthy, this small portion is relevant to the conversation at hand.  It reads:

 

As the Inquisitr previously reported, Richards allegedly received a visit from her family just days ago, prior to her sudden exit from the facility.  According to a Radar Online report, the Beverly Hills housewife's son, Chad David [sic], and one of her daughters who wasn't named [later established to be Whitney] paid Richards a visit, as Monty Brinson, her ex-husband, was forced to stay home due to his ongoing battle with cancer.

Like WireWrap wrote, the Inquisitr is just a gossip website that cites stories from other gossip websites, often Radar Online. They do no reporting of their own.

I don't see Kim being ordered for drug testing because the most serious of the two violations involved alcohol.  I think the most important thing is Kim not be driving-she obviously admits to being drunk and driving.  It would seem her family's focus would be on seeing that she not drive.

Weren't there other drugs found in her system - a controlled substance, as well as toluene - the stuff that indicates huffing?

[zoeysmom]

Like WireWrap wrote, the Inquisitr is just a gossip website that cites stories from other gossip websites, often Radar Online. They do no reporting of their own.

Weren't there other drugs found in her system - a controlled substance, as well as toluene - the stuff that indicates huffing?

Although getting arrested is a big deal in RH land, the cost of drug testing is expensive, (it can be charged to the defendant) but normally probation for a misdemeanor is unsupervised.  Kim's case may require something more but I do believe she is prescribed a boatload of prescription drugs.

[LotusFlower]

I get what you are saying but I don't think Kim has any problem focusing on herself.

I know. She's the biggest narcissist this side of Vicki Gunvalson. By "focusing on yourself," I meant getting the patient to focus solely on their addiction and recovery/sobriety. Not on anything else, or anyone else's problems or issues.

Although getting arrested is a big deal in RH land, the cost of drug testing is expensive, (it can be charged to the defendant) but normally probation for a misdemeanor is unsupervised.  Kim's case may require something more but I do believe she is prescribed a boatload of prescription drugs.

Right. I would imagine the drug test indicated whether or not the controlled substance was one of her prescribed meds. But don't forget the toluene.

[zoeysmom]

I know. She's the biggest narcissist this side of Vicki Gunvalson. By "focusing on yourself," I meant getting the patient to focus solely on their addiction and recovery/sobriety. Not on anything else, or anyone else's problems or issues.

Right. I would imagine the drug test indicated whether or not the controlled substance was one of her prescribed meds. But don't forget the toluene.

Kim has fairly good attorneys and this would have to be something the prosecutors were lusting after.  For the first offense it is essentially Kim was drunk, for the second offense it is Kim is crazy.  So unless the LA District Attorney's office has a real lull or Kim just out and out agrees to it  there is really no reason for the Court to impose drug testing.  The fact she had Toulene in her system was not even charged so it does not seem to be a concern.  Essentially she is being charged with misdemeanor battery on a police officer and petty theft.  I hate to say it but it is an expense thing. It costs money to drug test people on probation for not only the test but the administrative work.  Now if Kim had a DUI it would be a whole different story.  DUI defendants are often times required to submit because driving drunk is danger to the safety of others.  I think there is going to be a whole lot more emphasis on the crazy than the drunk.  It is hard to get crazy people to comply with probation orders.

[LotusFlower]

Kim has fairly good attorneys and this would have to be something the prosecutors were lusting after. For the first offense it is essentially Kim was drunk, for the second offense it is Kim is crazy. So unless the LA District Attorney's office has a real lull or Kim just out and out agrees to it there is really no reason for the Court to impose drug testing. The fact she had Toulene in her system was not even charged so it does not seem to be a concern. Essentially she is being charged with misdemeanor battery on a police officer and petty theft. I hate to say it but it is an expense thing. It costs money to drug test people on probation for not only the test but the administrative work. Now if Kim had a DUI it would be a whole different story. DUI defendants are often times required to submit because driving drunk is danger to the safety of others. I think there is going to be a whole lot more emphasis on the crazy than the drunk. It is hard to get crazy people to comply with probation orders.

As for the first charge, I know public intoxication refers to her being drunk, but why would the other drugs in her system not come in to play? I don't understand that. As for the second arrest, do we know for sure that she was sober at the time? Was she tested when she was booked? I know no info. came out at the time like it did in the Polo Lounge arrest aftermath, but that doesn't mean she wasn't high, right? All these arrests....I don't remember all the details!

ETA: So I just went back and read the TMZ article on the shoplifting arrest, and they wrote that it was unclear whether she was under the influence at the time of arrest. I'm not sure if anything came out afterwards.

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[WireWrap]

As for the first charge, I know public intoxication refers to her being drunk, but why would the other drugs in her system not come in to play? I don't understand that. As for the second arrest, do we know for sure that she was sober at the time? Was she tested when she was booked? I know no info. came out at the time like it did in the Polo Lounge arrest aftermath, but that doesn't mean she wasn't high, right? All these arrests....I don't remember all the details!

ETA: So I just went back and read the TMZ article on the shoplifting arrest, and they wrote that it was unclear whether she was under the influence at the time of arrest. I'm not sure if anything came out afterwards.

Correct me if I am wrong but "Public Intoxication" isn't limited to just alcohol but can include drugs as well, it is the same as DUI no longer refers to driving under the influence of just alcohol and why we rarely hear "Drunk and Disorderly" much any more. It is possible that she could be Court ordered for both alcohol and drugs during her probation IMO.