The GCEh?C: Canadian Episodes (Spoilers for Non-Canadians)

[jewel21]

Meh. This episode bored me so it'll be a short one. 

Billy's immature behaviour resulted in Jack hiring a security guard named Dave to follow Billy around everywhere and ensure he does not find himself on the Jabot floors again. And, if Billy gets caught after hours on the Jabot floors, he gets arrested, Phyllis gleefully tells him.

Lily, Neil and Devon have lunch and Lily spends the whole lunch insulting Hilary until Devon gets fed up and leaves. 

Hilary is upset that viewship at GC Buzz is at an all time low and viewers hate her. She reads some tweets and gets upset. 

Jack releases the Newman info to the GC Buzz. After Devon spends his lunch hour trying to defend his wife to Lily, Hilary turns around and decides to run the Newman story, regardless of the fact that it goes against everything Devon wants the new GC Buzz to be. Hilary films the segment, Devon watches, and when Hilary is done he tells her they can't run it. At least not without Victor being able to defend himself. So, they go to Newman, and with a camera in hand, ask him about the leaked info. He tells them to get the hell out.

Victoria found another manufacturer to produce Bare and Cane is both surprised and impressed. Neither Victoria or Cane are impressed with Billy's new friend, Dave.

Victurd thinks Travis is behind the leaked info. That is why he hired Natalie to be his new secretary. Travis is offended. Victor kicks him out of the office. Travis goes to talk to Victoria about it. Victoria explains that is the Newman way. Sure Victor 'respects' Travis but he will always be kept at arms length. Travis asks Victoria if that's how he views their relationship because he says what he means and he's all in. Victoria confirms that is how she thinks and Travis leaves. 

Jack is having fun 'besting' Victor and knowing that Victor may suspect him but can't do a thing about it because there's no proof.

And that's all I recall. 

[NinjaPenguins]

Billy has a babysitter! Ha ha!

[DivaT]

I guess they are really trying to lighten Billy up with this comedy stuff. Wonder if it works.

I've noticed a real change in the writing. They are actually giving characters sensible reasons to make the choices they make. Hilary was pushed to this point by failing ratings and being dogged by online viewers. I think devon might change his stance too based on Lily's harassment and wanting to prove her wrong.

[Capricasix]

I do like Phyllis' black dress with the lacy cutout arms.

[DivaT]

23 hours ago, Capricasix said:

Did anybody notice, in the first few minutes of today's show, the scene was Devon and Hilary at GC Buzz with a random producer/director woman - did she say something about Supergirl being on, or changing networks, or something? I thought I heard that; Supergirl has switched from CBS to the CW this year, so that would be a sneaky way to promote Supergirl. The other day, GH snuck in a reference to the opening weekend of Doctor Strange, which might seem odd to anyone who doesn't know that Disney owns Marvel and ABC.

I didn't notice that but I did notice hilary mentioning 60 minutes on today's cdn show. 

Isn't CW a collaboration with CVS and another network? 

[miamama]

I so hope Jack's secret inside guy is Travis. But I fear not. It would be too obvious.

[jewel21]

I've been preoccupied today so I'm afraid I wasn't paying adequate attention tonight so here are the headlines:

Abby decides she wants a divorce. She's not sure she ever loved Stench. He plans to move closer to Max.

Victor tells Natalie to delete all the files from the server, except he doesn't actually say the words. Then he shows up at the GC Buzz and says the info that they aired is all lies. Later he stops to see Jack who doesn't deny he's behind everything. Victor tells him to haveaniceday. I thinks that's Victor's version of "Fuck you."

Jack confirms to Phyllis that this whole GC Buzz thing is just an appetizer. He has much bigger plans to take down Victor. Although, when Ashley confronts him, he admits he's behind the leaked info, but that he has no further plans to seek revenge on Victor.

Nick tells Mariah he's been enjoying staying at Sharon's and being around Sully because he reminds him of Christian. Mariah tells this to Sharon, and when Nick brings up having a BBQ Sharon says she doesn't think Nick should stay because they're falling into old habits. Nick is all 'no, no, no!' He agrees it's a good idea to leave and agrees with Sharon that this way he can keep his promise to Adam to spend time with Connor. Nick does hug her and thanks Sharon for being so awesome. Sharon looks guilty. 

Previews show Victor saying that he plans to sue Devon and Hilary. Jack is speaking to his mystery person and says he's done with the appetizer and now wants to dish out the entre portion to Victor.

[Big Blue Plate]

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Jack is speaking to his mystery person and says he's done with the appetizer and now wants to dish out the entre portion to Victor.

The way Bergman delivered that line I wanted to coat him in pineapple rings. 

[miamama]

7 minutes ago, Big Blue Plate said:

The way Bergman delivered that line I wanted to coat him in pineapple rings. 

I don't get that metaphor. I also don't get your criticism. Should he have done it in mime?

[DivaT]

Either PB was hammy or he was so sexy someone wants to eat juicy succulent fruit off his entire body. It can go either way. 

[crowsworks]

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I tweeted mal young  with just this "seriously?"  then I added "fail".

I see your  fail, and  raise a "REALLY!?"  

[valleycliffe]

7 hours ago, crowsworks said:

I see your  fail, and  raise a "REALLY!?"  

sorry, but I just don't think there is anything romantic or even comedic about phyl and billy...

no one has to agree with any of my opinions.

[MollyB]

13 hours ago, jewel21 said:

Nick tells Mariah he's been enjoying staying at Sharon's and being around Sully because he reminds him of Christian.

Refresh my memory.  Didn't 'Christian' die moments after his birth?  Or possibly days.  Anyhow, when did Nick spend enough time with him to establish memories?  Yeah, Dick, Sully is a baby and Christian was a baby.  End of comparison.  Maybe Dick meant it reminds him of what could have been with Christian.  In that case, he could use any one of his other children as babies for the same purpose.  Next thing will be Nick noticing the same facial expressions/hand waving/leg kicking on Sully as Christian had during his brief stay on earth. Dun dun duuuun....

 

13 hours ago, jewel21 said:

Nick does hug her and thanks Sharon for being so awesome. Sharon looks guilty. 

My therapist would probably say Nick is a sociopath.   (She says Trump is)  Does he just have a memory wipe every time he tells Sharon she is a bad person and he never wants to see her again and he doesn't want his children near her and he drags her off to court?  When he finds out about Sully/Christian, will he remember then that the Sharon is Awesome?  And Sharon looks guilty? [WTF]  Move over, Crosby777, I'm agonna sit with you on the HateShick couch.

Edited October 21, 2016 by MollyB
adding suspense dun's

[Anna Yolei]

7 hours ago, MollyB said:

Refresh my memory.  Didn't 'Christian' die moments after his birth?  Or possibly days. 

From what I remember, he was born early and spent most if not all  of his short life in the NICU. I seem to remember some fans being surprised that Sage went to that Halloween party the night he "died" because he was so sick.

Which holy shit, that is coming up on a frigging YEAR that we've been going on about this. And then if Chelz doesn't spill the beans about him being Adam's kid, this will drag out even longer.

I thought that bullshit with Daniel and the Teroni caper was the most agonizingly slow, drawn out story to plague Y&R at the time but to MAB's credit there were new developments to that story, like being in slow, steady commuter traffic. Pratt's stories are more like stop-and-go gridlock with waaaay more stoppage than going....and then you get going, only to get rear ended by some asshole BMW driver who thinks owning an M series makes him the next Jeff Gordon and he can weave in and out of traffic.

Six more weeks to go and we can finally be rid of this hack.

Edited October 21, 2016 by Anna Yolei

[jewel21]

Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention. I think what Nick said was that because Sully and Christian were born so close together, that when he sees Sully walking, sitting, crawing, etc it reminds him of Christian and the fact that he would be doing those things right now as well.

[Big Blue Plate]

He just over delivers too often IMO, Mama and it's hammy.  He has such a basso profound voice - it's lovely really - but when he goes for the gusto sometimes he makes me giggle.  Sorry, I know you love him and some of the time so do I and other times I have to call the Dole hotline cause he's all ham.

Don't get me wrong, I respect he's been around a long time and I thought Jeanne Cooper used to over deliver a lot too. 

Edited October 21, 2016 by Big Blue Plate

[Anna Yolei]

12 minutes ago, Big Blue Plate said:

He just over delivers too often IMO, Mama and it's hammy.  He has such a basso profound voice - it's lovely really - but when he goes for the gusto sometimes he makes me giggle.  Sorry, I know you love him and some of the time so do I and other times I have to call the Dole hotline cause he's all ham.

Don't get me wrong, I respect he's been around a long time and I thought Jeanne Cooper used to over deliver a lot too. 

Heh. If you find those two over the top, I imagine you're not much of a B&B fan ;) . That show is like a whole luau with the ham factor.

But I'm so tired of Jack bragging to Victor about taking him down. Just STFU for once and let Victor feel the heat. THEN gloat. Lol

[Big Blue Plate]

Anna, the last time I could stomach B&B Katie Logan had pimples. 

[Big Blue Plate]

Am confused - not for the first time and generally most of the time - but Chelsea knows that Christian was not Nick's but Adam's but does Chelsea know that Sully is Christian?  And if a stroller left Chicago travelling at 12 mph...

And in viewer news - I don't think Sharon should be screaming about mental illness when she's plainly got her sweater on backwards. 

And that was a first... somebody having a sensitive conversation actually closed a door.  Susan Flannery is reinventing this show, I tell ya!

Edited October 22, 2016 by Big Blue Plate
additional blather

[crowsworks]

12 hours ago, valleycliffe said:

sorry, but I just don't think there is anything romantic or even comedic about phyl and billy...

no one has to agree with any of my opinions.

I was agreeing. Really? They are yuck. I came up with VOM-COM  to describe their cutsie crap.

[crowsworks]

I guess I picked up the "Really?" from SNL - they would look at something beyond stupid (Philly+cute) and ask "Really?....Really??"

[NinjaPenguins]

Susan Flannery? Did Stephanie Forrester take over Y&R?

[Big Blue Plate]

There's another board I know of that has decided Mal Young too closely resembles Susan Flannery.  

[Anna Yolei]

2 hours ago, Big Blue Plate said:

Am confused - not for the first time and generally most of the time - but Chelsea knows that Christian was not Nick's but Adam's but does Chelsea know that Sully is Christian?  And if a stroller left Chicago travelling at 12 mph...

...it would still be moving faster than this stupid story has been! :p

 

2 hours ago, Big Blue Plate said:

And that was a first... somebody having a sensitive conversation actually closed a door.  Susan Flannery is reinventing this show, I tell ya!

LOL! 

Aside from the haircut, they don't look a thing alike to me. But given that the Partially Open Door has foiled many a secret tryst on that show, I found the joke still works.

[jewel21]

One of my brothers was over and I didn't pay attention to what I was watching and then I deleted it. This is all I remember.

Dylan is back and confronts Mariah about visiting Patty and keeps asking Sharon why Patty painted a picture of her while pregnant. Sharon gets fed up and says because Patty is craycray. She then tells Dylan she and Mariah were clearly wrong, the phone calls have stopped, and it's all good. And then Sharon's phone rings and it's Patty on the other end.

Chloe and Kevin are on a date. Kevin looks handsome in a suit. I think he's a cutie. He and Chloe have sex.

Chelsea is with Nick at the studio. He tells her saying bye to Sully today was hard and brought up feelings of Christian. He also tells her that Sharon is lying to him about something. It's the same look she had when she lied about Cassie, and Summer's paternity, etc.

Victor hires Michael to sue Devon and Hilary for slander despite Michael advising against it. Victor gives them a chance to confess who their source was before threatening legal action, but they tell him the info was sent anonymously. Victor doesn't believe them.

Jack meets up with his mystery man and tells him he wants to serve Victor the entre now. Jack then fills Phyllis in on his plan as long as she doesn't try and talk him out of it.

And that's all I can recall. Hopefully I can do better next time, heh.

[miamama]

4 hours ago, Big Blue Plate said:

He just over delivers too often IMO, Mama and it's hammy.  He has such a basso profound voice - it's lovely really - but when he goes for the gusto sometimes he makes me giggle.  Sorry, I know you love him and some of the time so do I and other times I have to call the Dole hotline cause he's all ham.

Don't get me wrong, I respect he's been around a long time and I thought Jeanne Cooper used to over deliver a lot too. 

Sure, it's fine if you see PB that way. But Jack was in a dark alley, talking to a mysterious insider about getting GRAND revenge on his lifetime nemesis with dialogue like "I will SERVE UP THE MAIN COURSE". Sort of called for at least some intonation, no? And for PB that wasn't such a big delivery at all IMO. But clearly our mileage varies on this. 

The ham/hammy thing was lost on me because I actually don't think of a ham when I hear "hammy performance." But after I posted I got it. Pineapples. 

2 hours ago, Big Blue Plate said:

There's another board I know of that has decided Mal Young too closely resembles Susan Flannery.  

oh. I wondered what was up with Susan Flannery being mentioned too.

[peacheslatour]

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Jack then fills Phyllis in on his plan as long as she doesn't try and talk him out of it.

Ugh. KMN. Now I know how all you Nicktor haters feel. 

/no offense

[miamama]

So those who watched: What do you think? Was the guy Jack talked to Travis? The voice was disguised and you only saw his mouth mostly. Could be Travis. Had similar manner of speaking and thinnish lips.

I think it's Travis. I hope so. Makes for more interesting story. And I can keep fantasizing he's Jack's son.

[Big Blue Plate]

It would be interesting and way better if it was Travis and I kinda hope it is... it would certainly make sense of how they're going to extricate him and Victoria from this great love affair.   But I thought what we could see of the guy in the shadows suggested he was a 70s porn star or something.  Didn't sound like him, I thought the build was much bulkier and I am sure I recall a handlebar moustache, although I was working my voodoo doll kit with the show on in the background so sometimes its hard to separate reality from everything else going on in my world. 

[miamama]

I thought the voice was distorted, you know in 60 Minutes style, to hide identity. I think that's why it sounded 70s porn style. Hard to see body with angles. Hair looked dark but again shadows. I just want it to be Travis so bad, lol. Victor told Natalie it's NOT Travis, which is often soap speak for it is. And he basically decided Travis was in the clear from one denial. Please.

Travis/MR he's wasted in his insta love story with Vicki/AH.

[NinjaPenguins]

11 hours ago, jewel21 said:

He also tells her that Sharon is lying to him about something. It's the same look she had when she lied about Cassie, and Summer's paternity, etc.

Check it out, guys! Scientific proof that baboons can accurately read human facial expressions. This breakthrough is even more amazing when you realize that Nick's expression never changes no matter what emotion he's feeling.*

Victor, you fuckbag. Considering your body of a work over a lifetime, people can say whatever the hell they want about you, your family, and your bidness, and you can't do a damn thing about it. After I was just released from jail for committing some really gross crimes, I'd want to keep my head down and not call attention to myself, but then I'm not a leathery strip of turkey jerky with a head full of rabid bats. 

Mia, I want Travis to stay with Victoria because if he's freed up, it's probably for the newly single Abby. That would mean he's definitely not Jack's, which I also want. Also I want Buttbiscuit to be alone forever or forced into a long term relationship with his hand.

*Any facial movements, such as grimacing, winking, or lip licking are the result of gas and should not be construed as Nick attempting to emote.

[DivaT]

Those scenes between Travis and Vikki this past week seemed odd and just thrown in to me. They are definitely destined for a break up. At first I thought it was for Abby but now I'm pretty sure he's on his way out again. So the secret guy could be Travis as an exit story. Tbh, when Pratt wrote this I doubt he knew himself who the secret guy is. 

[peacheslatour]

I sincerely hope you are wrong Diva, but unfortunately you are probably not. I don't love him with Vic and I don't want him with Blah-bby. I want him to be Billy Abbott, dammit. #killbuttbiscuit

[miamama]

8 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I sincerely hope you are wrong Diva, but unfortunately you are probably not. I don't love him with Vic and I don't want him with Blah-bby. I want him to be Billy Abbott, dammit. #killbuttbiscuit

Or Travis Abbott. ?

[peacheslatour]

2 minutes ago, miamama said:

Or Travis Abbott. ?

O.k. but #killbuttbiscuit is still in the deal, right?

[DivaT]

Is SSM or KA into retcons like that? I find it hard to believe they'd go there.  He should have been Kyle Abbot when cast. But I understand why they didn't since I've always felt like he was just something for Vikki to do. 

Edited October 22, 2016 by DivaT

[Big Blue Plate]

2 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:

that would mean he's definitely not Jack's, which I also want. Also I want Buttbiscuit to be alone forever or forced into a long term relationship with his hand.

Oh, I dunno... one of the other weird long standing Bill Bell favourites, as we all know, is having relations date right up to the moment of irretrievable ick.  

Sometimes I think that guy must have had a very interesting interior monologue going on. 

[NinjaPenguins]

Buttbiscuit would probably implode if golden boy Travis turned out to be Jack's son. He's already scraping the bottom of the Abbott family barrel a few notches below Gnome, and Travis joining the family would knock him down a few more pegs. Billy = the worst Abbott.

[miamama]

So someone on Twitter posted a clip of the Newman board member Jack was trying to contact, "Curtis Fielding" and we saw the guy turn Jack down. Victor met with him in his office one day about a "threat." He is definitely the guy Jack met in the alley. Same voice, same mouth.

sigh. Travis isn't Jack's inside man.

[bannana]

2 hours ago, miamama said:

So someone on Twitter posted a clip of the Newman board member Jack was trying to contact, "Curtis Fielding" and we saw the guy turn Jack down. Victor met with him in his office one day about a "threat." He is definitely the guy Jack met in the alley. Same voice, same mouth.

sigh. Travis isn't Jack's inside man.

Well I am not an attentive viewer but I really did hope it was Travis.  Do you guys remember this Curtis Fielding guy?  It does make more sense, biz-wise, that a long time insider would be shopping this info to others, for a price, I guess.

[miamama]

11 hours ago, bannana said:

Well I am not an attentive viewer but I really did hope it was Travis.  Do you guys remember this Curtis Fielding guy?  It does make more sense, biz-wise, that a long time insider would be shopping this info to others, for a price, I guess.

They made a point of indicating Travis knew Curtis (in that scene with Victor). He asked about his golf game. FWIW.

But it would seem Jack is being played. Victor warned Curtis to be aware of a threat. Curtis initially turned Jack down. We all saw these scenes. Then Curtis gives Jack info. Victor is on the phone talking to someone saying "good job." And Victor is going around asking people to tell Jack to back off (as though he's really "scared.")

So much for my hope Jack could win for once.

Edited October 23, 2016 by miamama

[Big Blue Plate]

I'm not sentimental about Jack or Bergman, but if the show fucks Jack over one more time with the Lucy-Charlie-football routine I'd happily join an angry e-mob telling them to stop it come up with something original.  'Cause they're not just screwing Jack, they're screwing us too.   However dividing lines break down over characters I can pretty much guarantee no one is rooting for Victor Newman.  Ever.  No matter what happens.  

Frankly, even if Jack wins this time I'd like to see them come up with something original.  This war between what is supposed to be a megaconglomerate and a cosmetics company that has other things like a tech division is just stupid.  And on top of it all, it's stupid that no one, successive creative team over creative team, has written well. 

[Big Blue Plate]

Come to think on it, Victor's family turning on him was original.  Finally even Nikki and his kids realized there's a line you can't cross.  And they acted.  And he reacted.  And it was a good run of good stuff.  They could have built that.  They could have built a legitimate family feud on that one that went for years.  The Nikki branch splits with him for good, the Adam branch maybe doesn't, or the Adam branch plays the middle, or Victor marries a new wife - maybe his crazy prison doctor who has kids he can back... all kinds of angles.  They made pretty good stories for years out the Jill and Kay feud over Phillip Chancellor. 

[Anna Yolei]

They've done that before, too. The family gets pissed, they stop talking to Victor, who gets shot at (almost always by the asshole stooge he brought in for his idiot scheme in the first place), everyone forgives him because he's a great guy who loves his family. Rinse and repeat.

I have no hope of the new team being any more capable at shooting down EB's inflated ego to allow for anything new on the Victor Versus The World is Making a Huge Mistake, You Got That? front, but at least they can have Jack not be so damn stupid.

[crowsworks]

Yo, Mods.... why is Y&R not on the main page as it has 5 times +posts than any of the other shows in the group. 

[crowsworks]

I guess I'm out again since it looks like Victor has to win again - maybe this time he'll sue Jack and Devon to save NE. When is this old fracker going to

die...retire?

Yo, Mods.... why is Y&R not on the main page as it has 5 times +posts than any of the other shows in the group. 

[miamama]

The part that is weird is that Victor asked Natalie to wipe the servers, as though he does have something to hide. That didn't make any sense to me if Curtis is feeding Jack bogus info.

It may be that Victor gave Jack real information in order to whet his appetite and have him do something more risky next. But that seems stupid on Victor's part, opening himself up to legal trouble just to draw Jack in. Plus why not wipe the servers before the stuff was in Jack's hands? What was this reacting after the fact?

Whatever. There are probably confusing holes in the story because Pratt was still in the building when this was penned. What's likely happening is Jack is being stupid again because he's so hurt by the affair and he'll be crushed for the 1,234,876th time by TGVN.

I suspect the "Jack goes after Victor" arc is more about bringing Phack together than giving Jack any kind of victory over Victor. Jack's plan is apparently "insane" according to Phyllis (who is herself insane). I can't imagine what it is. But it will suck because EB, er, Victor can never lose. 

[DivaT]

Pratt probably doesn't even know what the plan is. And after several twists and turns in the story, only then would some nonsensical end game be revealed. Luckily for us,  Pratt was fired before he could pen it. 

[Anna Yolei]

23 minutes ago, miamama said:

 

I suspect the "Jack goes after Victor" arc is more about bringing Phack together than giving Jack any kind of victory over Victor.

I sure hope that's that case, because Jack vs Victor has long since played out.

15 minutes ago, DivaT said:

Pratt probably doesn't even know what the plan is. And after several twists and turns in the story, only then would some nonsensical end game be revealed. Luckily for us,  Pratt was fired before he could pen it. 

That last part is the sole redeeming feature of this story not becoming another year long waste of time.

[peacheslatour]

11 hours ago, crowsworks said:

Yo, Mods.... why is Y&R not on the main page as it has 5 times +posts than any of the other shows in the group. 

THIS