Lisin May 26, 2014 Share May 26, 2014 From Wikipedia: At the zoo, Xander and four other students sneak into the off-limits hyena habitat and become infected by an evil demon spirit. Xander and his pack grow more and more feral until Buffy, Giles, and Willow reverse the spell. Oh Xander... So apparently I really don't like much from the first half of season 1 because here's another episode I'm not terribly thrilled to revisit. It's fine and all, but I don't love it even a little. RIP Flutie. Link to comment
Eegah May 26, 2014 Share May 26, 2014 I still find it weird that we get no info on what happened to the bullies after they were de-hyena'd, and now have to live with the memory of eating Flutie. And yes, I know the EU has a bit of that, but why couldn't it have been in the episode itself? Besides the death of a recurring character in what is otherwise a pure MOTW story, showing how right from the start Joss was willing to bend TV rules (it's a bit hard to remember how different most TV was back then), this is pretty forgettable stuff. Though at least it's cool to now recognize Webster from Band of Brothers. 1 2 Link to comment
mstaken May 26, 2014 Share May 26, 2014 (edited) I actually like The Pack a lot and find it one of the most effective, resonant S1 episodes. I'll always fondly remember this episode as the one that quadrupled my respect for Nicholas Brendan's acting skills. I went from thinking NB was a moderately competent actor to being blown away by how chillingly un-Xander-esque he could be. And, of course, the final scene has me "awww"-ing all over the place (why, yes, I'm just a bit of a sap when it comes to the Scoobies' friendships!) Edited May 26, 2014 by mstaken 1 4 Link to comment
Carrie Ann May 27, 2014 Share May 27, 2014 I actually like The Pack a lot and find it one of the most effective, resonant S1 episodes. I'll always fondly remember this episode as the one that quadrupled my respect for Nicholas Brendan's acting skills. I went from thinking NB was a moderately competent actor to being blown away by how chillingly un-Xander-esque he could be. And, of course, the final scene has me "awww"-ing all over the place (why, yes, I'm just a bit of a sap when it comes to the Scoobies' friendships!) I wish I knew for sure, but I'm fairly certain this was the first BtVS episode I ever watched, in reruns the summer after the first season aired. If it wasn't the first, then it was the first I actually paid attention to. So I have a little affection for it because of that, but even then I didn't particularly like it. But it caught my attention, and I saw the potential there. I think the Scooby scene at the end was part of it--their relationships with each other were the strongest part of this season for me. 1 Link to comment
decembar13 May 27, 2014 Share May 27, 2014 I have mixed feelings about this ep. On one hand, we have really great Nicholas moment(s) to shine (the only waaaaaaay creepier ep. with him is the one when he rapes one of the lead characters in that show... the one with doctors... I don't know the name)... On the other, there's the fact that he tried to rape Buffy; it seemed that fandom didn't got upset at all and all was forgiven and forgotten as soon as the end credits rolled, but that became huge when Spike tried the same in 6th season . I hate double standards, so it may be the reason why I don't like this episode particularly much. 1 Link to comment
Loandbehold May 27, 2014 Share May 27, 2014 I don't agree that there's a double standard here. It's a big difference between doing something under the influence of mystical whammy and doing the same thing knowing what you are doing. Now, since Xander does remember what he did while he was hyena-cized, the show could have gone into how this affected him personally, as well as in his dealings with Buffy and Willow. I think, if this had occurred several seasons later, they would have done so. 1 Link to comment
Dianthus May 28, 2014 Share May 28, 2014 I liked the X-Files reference Buffy makes in this ep. I agree somewhat about the double standard. Xander was under the influence here, but so was Spike. He was a demon. There was Darkness in hyena-Xander, and Darkness in Spike. Besides, Spike didn't do what he did in a state of calm, cool calculation. A crime of passion is still a crime, but it wasn't premeditated. Oddly enough, hyena gender relations don't really work this way. The females are bigger, stronger, and more aggressive than the males. 3 Link to comment
cleo January 11, 2016 Share January 11, 2016 I just watched this again for the first time in years. I always liked it, and still do. I like the music and the scenes when the pack walk into the Bronze and later when they're prowling around the school. It just set the mood well, and reminded me of the real life/death feeling of high school with all the cliques. The thing with Flutie really is disturbing, the tension builds well, I think because I know what is coming. I was just waiting for it, I couldn't quite remember how the scene unfolded and so by the time they scratched him and went for it I was tense. And then cutting to the hyenas on the tv screen tearing food apart was great. Not subtle at all though! I echo everyone's comments about NB's acting, but it also was kind of sad seeing him on the screen. I hope he gets some help for the problems he has had. 1 Link to comment
romantic idiot January 31, 2016 Share January 31, 2016 Never thought Xander was looking to rape Buffy - thought she was prey. Link to comment
Jazzy24 February 1, 2016 Share February 1, 2016 Never thought Xander was looking to rape Buffy - thought she was prey. I haven't seen the episode in a while but the tone of that scene defiantly had a rape feel to it. 1 Link to comment
satrunrose March 9, 2017 Share March 9, 2017 I just re-watched this one for the first time in a long time and I forgot how profoundly creepy I find it. The rest of season one is goofy or funny or poignant but this one is different. I'll give credit to N.B. for being a completely non-Xander Xander...and possibly the semi-canibalism. Poor Flutie. 1 Link to comment
buffynut March 30, 2017 Share March 30, 2017 It was very creepy. In fact between The Pack and Teacher's Pet (with the cricket sandwich) I'm surprised I kept on watching. Link to comment
Joe Hellandback June 3, 2018 Share June 3, 2018 On 5/26/2014 at 3:37 PM, Lisin said: From Wikipedia: Oh Xander... So apparently I really don't like much from the first half of season 1 because here's another episode I'm not terribly thrilled to revisit. It's fine and all, but I don't love it even a little. RIP Flutie. Yeah, the really remarkable thing about it was goodbye Flutie and that was a shock. In hindsight we should have been expecting it, just before he has his first truly friendly moment with Buffy and this will become a recurring trope. On 5/26/2014 at 4:16 PM, Eegah said: I still find it weird that we get no info on what happened to the bullies after they were de-hyena'd, and now have to live with the memory of eating Flutie. And yes, I know the EU has a bit of that, but why couldn't it have been in the episode itself? Besides the death of a recurring character in what is otherwise a pure MOTW story, showing how right from the start Joss was willing to bend TV rules (it's a bit hard to remember how different most TV was back then), this is pretty forgettable stuff. Though at least it's cool to now recognize Webster from Band of Brothers. And Jennifer Sky who we also see in Xena so you can link the shows in 1 if you're playing 6 degrees of Bufferation. We know Sunnydale hospital has a big mental health wing (even before Glory) so probably a lot ended up there. On 5/26/2014 at 5:03 PM, mstaken said: I actually like The Pack a lot and find it one of the most effective, resonant S1 episodes. I'll always fondly remember this episode as the one that quadrupled my respect for Nicholas Brendan's acting skills. I went from thinking NB was a moderately competent actor to being blown away by how chillingly un-Xander-esque he could be. And, of course, the final scene has me "awww"-ing all over the place (why, yes, I'm just a bit of a sap when it comes to the Scoobies' friendships!) Yeah, always fun to see our actors outside of their comfort zone On 5/27/2014 at 4:16 PM, decembar13 said: I have mixed feelings about this ep. On one hand, we have really great Nicholas moment(s) to shine (the only waaaaaaay creepier ep. with him is the one when he rapes one of the lead characters in that show... the one with doctors... I don't know the name)... On the other, there's the fact that he tried to rape Buffy; it seemed that fandom didn't got upset at all and all was forgiven and forgotten as soon as the end credits rolled, but Reveal hidden contents that became huge when Spike tried the same in 6th season . I hate double standards, so it may be the reason why I don't like this episode particularly much. You mean Private Practice, a series Marti Noxon produced and yes, scary to see someone we know as the nicest guy alive playing the nastiest. On 5/27/2014 at 9:16 PM, Dianthus said: I liked the X-Files reference Buffy makes in this ep. I agree somewhat about the double standard. Xander was under the influence here, but so was Hide contents Spike. He was a demon. There was Darkness in hyena-Xander, and Darkness in Spike. Besides, Spike didn't do what he did in a state of calm, cool calculation. A crime of passion is still a crime, but it wasn't premeditated. Oddly enough, hyena gender relations don't really work this way. The females are bigger, stronger, and more aggressive than the males. Never thought of that but then Xander never killed anyone whilst possessed, if he had that would be different. Spoiler Remember Buffy was involved with unsouled Spike and it was his betrayal. On 1/31/2016 at 3:55 PM, romantic idiot said: Never thought Xander was looking to rape Buffy - thought she was prey. No, it was attempted rape, he saw her as sexual prey, for a feminist icon Buffy seems to get sexually assaulted an awful lot. On 5/27/2014 at 9:16 PM, Dianthus said: I liked the X-Files reference Buffy makes in this ep. I agree somewhat about the double standard. Xander was under the influence here, but so was Hide contents Spike. He was a demon. There was Darkness in hyena-Xander, and Darkness in Spike. Besides, Spike didn't do what he did in a state of calm, cool calculation. A crime of passion is still a crime, but it wasn't premeditated. Oddly enough, hyena gender relations don't really work this way. The females are bigger, stronger, and more aggressive than the males. True, they're matriarchal. We do have a couple of other Scully scenes in the series, notably in Earshot and I Fall To Pieces. THE PACK The Good; Love Buffy and Giles training, you get a genuine sense of menace when Willow is taken hostage for the first time. You' don't see the twist of the zookeeper, he seems so rational although I'm baffled as to what exact power he hoped to gain from the hyena spirits (then again I don't really understand why the Mayor wished to be this big snake?). Great acting from Nic Brendon showing the first of his range (in truth neither Nic nor David are that good actors in season 1 but they grow better) The Bad; The story is pretty stupid, reminds me of an obscure old series called 'Big Wolf on Campus' Best Line; Giles; "Xander is becoming a teenage boy, you'll have to kill him of course" Questions and observations; The first time someone is imprisoned in the library book cage but by no means the last. Xander trying to force himself on Buffy is unusually disturbing, for a feminist symbol she seems to get sexually assaulted a lot (but maybe that's the point?). It's interesting to compare this with Nic Brendon's unsettlingly convincing performance as a rapist on Private Practice, nicest guy alive to nastiest. Spoiler Another Buffy cliché is a Scooby going evil (by the end of season 7 I think the only character never to have gone bad was Tara?). Jennifer Sky plays one of the pack and she was very good as Amarice in Xena (so you can link Buffy to Xena in one if you're ever playing 'Six degrees of Bufferation'). No Cordy (there really isn't room for her) and no Angel. At this point of course he's not a fighter, he really is just cryptic warning guy but of course that really kicks in during the next ep. Byebye Flutie which shocked me, Buffy showing its' more serious side by starting its' long tradition of ruthlessly killing off regular/recurring characters. 6/10 Link to comment
romantic idiot June 13, 2018 Share June 13, 2018 On 6/3/2018 at 3:53 PM, Joe Hellandback said: No, it was attempted rape, he saw her as sexual prey What makes you think that? Link to comment
Joe Hellandback June 13, 2018 Share June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, romantic idiot said: What makes you think that? Just watch the scene, tell me what you think. Link to comment
Halting Hex June 15, 2018 Share June 15, 2018 On 6/13/2018 at 1:39 PM, romantic idiot said: What makes you think [Hyena!Xander attempted to rape Buffy]? Buffy herself says "he tried his hand at Felony Sexual Assault", so it appears she's clear on the issue. Spoiler Would that she remained so, blah, blah, yada-yada, Season 6. "Ask me again why I could never love you!" You know, Buffy, if you'd just stake his damn ass, you wouldn't have to worry about his idiot questions. Just saying [/OT-ish] Link to comment
romantic idiot June 15, 2018 Share June 15, 2018 On 6/14/2018 at 1:46 AM, Joe Hellandback said: Just watch the scene, tell me what you think. I thought e wanted to eat her. She was prey> I understand why she didn't figure that out. I also thought he really looked hot in that moment. 1 Link to comment
Joe Hellandback June 15, 2018 Share June 15, 2018 8 hours ago, Halting Hex said: Buffy herself says "he tried his hand at Felony Sexual Assault", so it appears she's clear on the issue. Hide contents Would that she remained so, blah, blah, yada-yada, Season 6. "Ask me again why I could never love you!" You know, Buffy, if you'd just stake his damn ass, you wouldn't have to worry about his idiot questions. Just saying [/OT-ish] Spoiler But she can't, she loves him just as she loved Xander. Just now, romantic idiot said: I thought e wanted to eat her. She was prey> I understand why she didn't figure that out. I also thought he really looked hot in that moment. 1. Maybe 'eat her' in a different way. 2. Oh frailty thy name is straight girl! 2 Link to comment
K42 July 25, 2018 Share July 25, 2018 (edited) I wish the writers made Xander go down that evil route. There's something so sexy and appealing about Nicholas Brendon acting evil. *swoon* Edited July 25, 2018 by The Raw Category Link to comment
Joe Hellandback July 26, 2018 Share July 26, 2018 20 hours ago, The Raw Category said: I wish the writers made Xander go down that evil route. There's something so sexy and appealing about Nicholas Brendon acting evil. *swoon* Spoiler What did you think of Vamp Xander? Actually if you ever watched Private Practice seeing Nic as the rapist is a revelation, so disconcerting seeing a guy you're used to playing the nicest guy in the world playing the nastiest. MT on Criminal Minds is pretty shocking too. Link to comment
K42 July 26, 2018 Share July 26, 2018 10 hours ago, Joe Hellandback said: Spoiler What did you think of Vamp Xander? Actually if you ever watched Private Practice seeing Nic as the rapist is a revelation, so disconcerting seeing a guy you're used to playing the nicest guy in the world playing the nastiest. MT on Criminal Minds is pretty shocking too. Spoiler Can you remind me in what episode did Xander become a vampire? I forgot. (Come to think of it, Buffy was a vampire once too. That was terrifying.) I wish he had a more serious role on CM. I feel like NB has a lot of acting range that was completely wasted. 1 Link to comment
Pallas July 26, 2018 Share July 26, 2018 Please review the spoiler policy pinned at the top of the forum. In episode topics, it's the eternal present; events from the future need to wear spoiler tags. Link to comment
Joe Hellandback July 26, 2018 Share July 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Pallas said: Please review the spoiler policy pinned at the top of the forum. In episode topics, it's the eternal present; events from the future need to wear spoiler tags. Apologies, forgot this was a 1st season ep. Link to comment
lembergwatcher August 24, 2018 Share August 24, 2018 Man, I felt sorry for Principal Flutie and Herbert the Mascot... But... all's well that ends well. And then just... aww Quote Willow: You saved my life. Xander: Hey! Nobody messes with my Willow. (gives her a hug) What can be cuter than that? The good old times when nothing and no one stood between the three original Scoobs. No Oz or Anya. And to think, how drastically things would change in a year 1 Link to comment
Loandbehold August 24, 2018 Share August 24, 2018 That's followed by one of my favorite Xander-Giles' moments. Quote Xander: "Cool! Oh, hey, goin' vegetarian! Huh?" He gives them two thumbs-up. Willow turns and smiles at him. So does Buffy. Xander starts to head the other way when he is met by Giles. Giles: "I've been reading up on my, uh, animal possession, and I cannot find anything anywhere about memory loss afterwards." .Xander: "Did you tell them that?" Giles: (leans to Xander's ear) "Your secret dies with me." Xander: "Shoot me, stuff me, mount me." Giles pats him on the shoulder as he shakes his head and starts walking along the balcony. He leans on the railing and watches Xander go. Link to comment
Halting Hex August 25, 2018 Share August 25, 2018 Of course, some people see this as a horrible, horrible moment of the Patriarchy covering up its crimes and robbing Buffy of the chance to confront her near-"rapist". I don't agree with that, but I just thought I'd mention that it's out there… The page where I got this pic points out that Giles wasn't close enough to hear the B/W/X conversation that preceded the G/X "your secret dies with me." So how did he know that Xander was claiming amnesia? Did Giles just catch Xander in a lie? Did he already tell Buffy and Willow and they told Giles? For that matter, Giles wasn't there when Buffy dragged in the unconscious Hyena!Xander and so he missed the "felony sexual assault" conversation. How much does Giles know? Would he cover for Xander if he knew everything? I know S1 costumer Susanna Puisto was working on a very limited budget, but was she even trying? Or is this the '90s version of trolling? BTW, Buffy is wearing a skirt under that jacket…we just can't see it here. Rawr. RIP, Herbert and Flutie. As Flutie says in an early draft of the script, Herbert is what you get when you only raise $18.23 in your Mascot Drive. (Geez, Bob, don't be so cheap. Drop a double-sawbuck in the till, why don't you?) I did not remember that Xander had Buffy pinned up against the snack machine during the whole "I like it when you're scared" bit. Are we sure it's actually Slayer Fear that's turning him on…and not just some chocolately goodness? One of the great things about this episode is how compact it is. No Angel. No Cordy. Not much Giles. Just "Buffy and Willow have to deal with Xander acting weird." Yes, you get sad moments. But it all works out in the end. Except possibly for Buffy's outfit. (And the girls walk off to class holding hands, which probably didn't help with Those Pesky Lesbian Rumors that Scott Hope would later find so useful. But I can't find a screencap of that. Although I suppose I could screenshot it. Eh, maybe later.) One of my S1 faves, alleged patriarchial bias or not. 1 Link to comment
illdoc August 25, 2018 Share August 25, 2018 16 hours ago, Halting Hex said: points out that Giles wasn't close enough to hear the B/W/X conversation that preceded the G/X "your secret dies with me." So how did he know that Xander was claiming amnesia? Actually, since the conversation had been going on for a while (we didn't actually hear anyone tell Xander about them eating the pig, for example), one can assume that earlier, when Xander woke up cured, that he said "what's going on? I don't remember anything" and people told him what had gone on. After the B/W/X conversation and B&W have left, Giles says "I've checked my research and find no reference to amnesia", so obviously, unless he had memorized all the "animal transference" research from when they were looking for a cure, he rechecked the research after Xander said he didn't remember anything. Link to comment
Joe Hellandback August 27, 2018 Share August 27, 2018 RIP, Herbert and Flutie. As Flutie says in an early draft of the script, Herbert is what you get when you only raise $18.23 in your Mascot Drive. (Geez, Bob, don't be so cheap. Drop a double-sawbuck in the till, why don't you?) That was a shame, I liked Flutie and when he and Buffy have their first truly friendly moment together they go and kill him directly afterwards! Link to comment
Halting Hex August 27, 2018 Share August 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, Joe Hellandback said: I liked Flutie and when he and Buffy have their first truly friendly moment together they go and kill him directly afterwards! Same thing that happened to Dr. Gregory. Moral: don't be nice to Buffy, she's hazardous to your health! 2 Link to comment
Joe Hellandback September 30, 2018 Share September 30, 2018 On 27/08/2018 at 7:00 PM, Halting Hex said: Same thing that happened to Dr. Gregory. Moral: don't be nice to Buffy, she's hazardous to your health! And will also happen to Spoiler Counsellor Pratt, Jonathon and the Watcher's Council etc etc It's a common trope Link to comment
Halting Hex December 18, 2018 Share December 18, 2018 So I'm following a couple of new video-reactors, and one of them points out what a shit year Xander is having, so far. I mean, it's easy to miss, since he's serving as comic relief/frustrated suitor and it is Buffy's show, after all (check out the title), but in the span of just six episodes, Xander has… …had his best bud get turned into a vampire and been essentially responsible for killing him… …nearly lost his virginity to a giant fucking preying mantis, who had already drugged him and kidnapped him and who would have eaten his head straight off… …and been possessed by a slavering animal, nearly killed and ate his other best friend, and now has to live with those memories, including the part where he tried to rape Buffy, too. Not to mention the knowledge that if he hadn't been off "courting" Buffy just then, he would have been taking part in the all-you-can-eat buffet going on in the principal's office As I wrote, rough year. Spoiler It gets better, though. Of such fires are heroes forged, and all that… 1 Link to comment
lembergwatcher December 18, 2018 Share December 18, 2018 Don't forget about "was nearly suffocated by Catherine Madison" part. Link to comment
Halting Hex December 18, 2018 Share December 18, 2018 True, but that was just "ordinary mortal danger". Certainly not fun, but not as personal as losing one best friend, nearly killing the other, and having your sexual identity intruded upon. But JMO. Link to comment
Joe Hellandback December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 On 18/12/2018 at 6:47 AM, Halting Hex said: So I'm following a couple of new video-reactors, and one of them points out what a shit year Xander is having, so far. I mean, it's easy to miss, since he's serving as comic relief/frustrated suitor and it is Buffy's show, after all (check out the title), but in the span of just six episodes, Xander has… …had his best bud get turned into a vampire and been essentially responsible for killing him… …nearly lost his virginity to a giant fucking preying mantis, who had already drugged him and kidnapped him and who would have eaten his head straight off… …and been possessed by a slavering animal, nearly killed and ate his other best friend, and now has to live with those memories, including the part where he tried to rape Buffy, too. Not to mention the knowledge that if he hadn't been off "courting" Buffy just then, he would have been taking part in the all-you-can-eat buffet going on in the principal's office As I wrote, rough year. Hide contents It gets better, though. Of such fires are heroes forged, and all that… Which ones are you following? Link to comment
Halting Hex December 21, 2018 Share December 21, 2018 After Show Reacts (Shan), Geeked Out Nation (Steven something), Liam Duke, and I've just started with TheMinarus. It's an addiction, damnit. Sigh. (I believe it was Liam who noted the pile-up of Xander-troubles at this point. He's rather observant.) Link to comment
Joe Hellandback December 28, 2018 Share December 28, 2018 On 21/12/2018 at 8:35 PM, Halting Hex said: After Show Reacts (Shan), Geeked Out Nation (Steven something), Liam Duke, and I've just started with TheMinarus. It's an addiction, damnit. Sigh. (I believe it was Liam who noted the pile-up of Xander-troubles at this point. He's rather observant.) I watch Minarus and After Show reacts, must check the others out. Link to comment
lembergwatcher January 31, 2019 Share January 31, 2019 (edited) If possession makes Xander "almost as strong" as Buffy (according to Giles), why does he have to wait for the entire Pack to break free from that cage? Can't he break the cage all by himself? And of course, Giles cannot bring this vital information regarding the "balance of power" before going to the zoo. Instead he and Buffy put Willow in mortal danger by leaving her alone with Hyena!Xander (even if his mindless new friends are nowhere in sight). Good job, Giles. It's particularly distressing you start to suck so early... Edited January 31, 2019 by lembergwatcher Link to comment
illdoc January 31, 2019 Share January 31, 2019 56 minutes ago, lembergwatcher said: Can't he break the cage all by himself? Spoiler Werewolf Oz couldn't. That cage must be made of titanium! Link to comment
Halting Hex February 1, 2019 Share February 1, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, illdoc said: Hide contents Spoiler Werewolf Oz couldn't. Spoiler But Rage!Pete could. That must have been some glow-juice. I guess Warren's not the only one who missed out on a commercial opportunity. Edited February 1, 2019 by Halting Hex Link to comment
Halting Hex February 17, 2021 Share February 17, 2021 (edited) Okay, seriously, I know they have to cast non-teen actors as teens (due to the limitations on how long underage actors can work in a day), but Jeff Maynard (Lance) is really pushing it. He's got the beginnings of male-pattern baldness with those points receding from the corners of his hairline, FFS. Eion Bailey (Kyle) and Brian Gross (Tor) aren't showing quite that much wear at the edges. Maynard is so old we don't know how old he is; his bio doesn't list a birthday. Spoiler He's so old he isn't in the books, to paraphrase Tara's ludicrous supposition about Glory. On the plus side, at least Lance makes a good showing in the dodgeball game, outlasting everyone but the Pack and Buffy. You know, Brigham Young University is known for doing well in college athletics, since as a LDS Church-affiliated school, most of their athletes have spent two years abroad on church missions, and the returning 23 and 24-year-olds have a physical advantage on their younger opponents. Perhaps Lance spent, oh, eight or ten years in Argentina or wherever before coming back to Hellmouth High? Quote Kyle and the Pack enter the Bronze and he and Xander lock eyes. RILEY LYNN: Are they in love? Oh, silly Riley! Love doesn't have a thing to do with it. It's just sex. (If you think there aren't Xander/Kyle fics out there, you really haven't looked.) Meanwhile, Georgia Corsby and her friend Aaron focus on a different part of that scene: Quote Xander sniffs Buffy's hair. XANDER: You took a bath. BUFFY (taken aback): I did. I'm actually known for it. Inserted graphic, in Star Wars "A Long, Long Time Ago" font: BUFFY THE BATH-TAKER Not the worst idea for a series I've ever heard. Spoiler Although the Fuffy scenes in S4 might trouble the network. But imagine S5 climaxing with Buffy and Glory having a bathe-off. Are Xander's skills with a loofah as good as Murk's? Even blindfolded? As the Pack move in on Flutie: Quote AARON: Poor principal. I liked him. (Beat) He wasn't very good, though. I like that Aaron has standards. But it might be time to cut Bob a break. He's having a rough day, it's safe to say. Edited February 17, 2021 by Halting Hex Link to comment
Loandbehold February 18, 2021 Share February 18, 2021 Did Aaron mean that Bob tasted a little gamey? I mean, we know he wasn't cooked properly before serving. Link to comment
Halting Hex February 19, 2021 Share February 19, 2021 Aah, now that's a possibility I hadn't considered. Speaking of food, I forgot mention that I noticed Willow suggesting to Xander that they go to "the ice cream place". (Presumably the one she was thinking Thomas was taking her to in the pilot.) Sheesh, between always wanting to go for ice cream and helping Amy binge on all those brownies, Willow must have a heck of a metabolism. (Or, possibly, a tapeworm.) Otherwise Xander might be saying she could be the Goodrich blimp! Link to comment
Halting Hex September 13, 2021 Share September 13, 2021 So various reactors have been caught off-guard by Dr. Weirick (the zookeeper) being the villain, and they have the penny drop at pretty much the same time it does for Giles. You can't blame the episode for withholding information here; the symbol was on display right at the beginning. (Love that overhead reveal shot director Bruce Seth Green puts in.) And who else could have put the symbol there but Weirick? We see the building is sealed off, and we meet the zookeeper when he's trying to keep Buffy and Willow out. Dr. Weirick is really the only one with the opportunity. What keeps people from putting the pieces together sooner is that The Pack makes such a lovely red herring. Tough to wonder who put the symbol on the floor when you're worried about Kyle and crew possibly eating babies and so forth. Nice misdirection. 1 Link to comment
Halting Hex September 23 Share September 23 I was thinking that Xander wouldn't be able to get away with that "amnesia" fib for long, since Kyle and the gang would probably have to recount what happened as part of their pleas…but then I realized, why would they confess to anything? The official story is "wild dogs". You generally don't cop to murder and cannibalism if you don't have to. (Especially as pretty much nobody will believe that "we were possessed by hyena spirits" defense.) And it's not as if Buffy can go to the police (or even the new principal) and say "Actually, Kyle and Rhonda and Heidi and Tor killed Mr. Flutie and ate his body" since she hardly has any evidence, either. She can't even pin it on Dr. Weirick (the zookeeper), since he's dead, too. Yes, he's wearing odd robes and face paint, but to claim a Masai transpossession ceremony without anything else probably won't fly. So Buffy keeps her mouth shut, Xander gets away with his fib…and the mean kids get away with murder. A bit of a bummer, but if everything went swimmingly, Flutie (and Dr. Gregory, and Jesse) would still be alive. That's life on a Hellmouth, I guess. 1 Link to comment
lembergwatcher Saturday at 06:54 PM Share Saturday at 06:54 PM I'm amazed that while Kyle and Rhonda and Heidi and Tor are possessed enough to, you know, diversify their food with human flesh, they're still kinda sane enough to shower & change their clothes so we don't see them covered in Principal Flutie's blood and other unpleasant things in the very next scene... Link to comment
Halting Hex Sunday at 07:26 AM Share Sunday at 07:26 AM Well, yes. murder and cannibalism…but proper hygiene and grooming still count for something among hyenas, I guess. Lol. (I wonder if the girls reapplied their lipstick?) Alternate theory: they had napkins stuffed in their pockets and WetWipes™ for their faces. All neat and tidy before they left Bob's office. A well-prepared pack is a well-fed pack, don'tcha know? Link to comment
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