Mayans MC - General Discussion

[JenLily]

15 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

So let's throw a half dozen new plots in just to thicken the stew.  Galindo's alive in Mexico, but apparently still doesn't know how to make friends.  Who is Tomas?  He keeps calling Galindo (Martin?) Papa.  Jess is spying on the Mayans for the SOA, and now there's a war coming.  El Banquero is not happy.  EZ wants an inter-chapter coup.  Felipe is leaving, or at least moving somewhere.  Coco has a new assignment.

But how’s the dog?

[toodywoody]

Where is Pops going? 

Thank goodness no Adelita and Emily.  I could do without the drama of Miguel and whatever is going on there. Like he didn't have enough money to get away to Switzerland or some other place. 

And the Banquet or whatever his name is. Why would some crazy mf only have one account or even have one person dealing with the accounts, why not have someone closer to you know that information. That is his fault for only one person knowing the numbers and where they were at.

My favorite scenes are always between the bros.

Bishop get your shit together. Like come off of it.

 

[CrystalBlue]

22 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

So let's throw a half dozen new plots in just to thicken the stew.  Galindo's alive in Mexico, but apparently still doesn't know how to make friends.  Who is Tomas?  He keeps calling Galindo (Martin?) Papa.  Jess is spying on the Mayans for the SOA, and now there's a war coming.  El Banquero is not happy.  EZ wants an inter-chapter coup.  Felipe is leaving, or at least moving somewhere.  Coco has a new assignment.  

Don't forget Bishop is banging Treenie and there's a new prospect.  Bishop is also doing coke now.

[Ottis]

So help me understand EZ's genius "kill switch" idea. Alvarez has been saying all along that "the club" means all the chapters. Bishop, Conche and others are engaged in one chapter over another. So EZ has to read the bylaws to come up with the idea of ... having all the brothers, in all the chapters, vote on an uber president? Isn't that what Alvarez is? And even if it isn't, why does anyone think that following bylaws and having an election would cause the fighting chapters to stop fighting? The side(s) that lost would just keep grumbling and arguing. Unless you find an MC version of King Arthur.

[Ottis]

On 4/27/2022 at 9:35 AM, chick binewski said:

What confused me is the show seemed to imply Randall was a pedophile early on, but EZ and co. either didn't care or weren't catching on. The former seems unlikely especially since Angel shot him without pause (didn't even see him draw or point his gun); the latter more likely bc these characters seem to be written with inconsistent degrees of intelligence.

I knew right away that guy was a child toucher, because when he introduced the kid in the club yard he said, 'this is Noah." Not "my son." That screamed that something was really wrong. Then you add in how they portrayed the guy and his designer suitcases, and I knew. As for intelligence, well, pretty much no one on this show is very intelligent. They are either flat out dumb, or selfish or have impulse issues that won't allow them to join society. 

[MaggieG]

I loved the randomness of Pops bringing a cake over to Angel's and them just eating it in silence. Did Pops make the cake or buy it? Was it Angel's birthday? I need answers.

Bishop, get it together dude!

I like seeing more insight into the lives of the other club members, like Gilly and Creeper.

[CrazyDog]

2 hours ago, MaggieG said:

I loved the randomness of Pops bringing a cake over to Angel's and them just eating it in silence. Did Pops make the cake or buy it? Was it Angel's birthday? I need answers.

Bishop, get it together dude!

I like seeing more insight into the lives of the other club members, like Gilly and Creeper.

I feel like I was missing things this episode, ha. What was the cake for? It did look delicious though. I did laugh at Nails just leaving them to their awkward silence / bonding. Is Angel on good terms with Pops (all in all?)

Who was Tomas? Is there another guy hiding around the convent with Miguel? Were they referring to Miguel?

I was totally lost at that whole bit, but I did enjoy the nun getting the guy to leave. Don't mess with nuns, man.

Bishop is hard to watch. He's just spiraling down, and losing respect along the way.

"What's a VCR?" lol. I do enjoy the moments of Alvarez the family man.

I really enjoyed more scenes with Gilly and Creeper. The clubhouse can feel kind of claustrophobic, so I really love seeing their lives outside of the Mayans.

Sympathy for Hope was not on my radar for this season, but I did feel bad for her. She's working, trying to stay clean, with a partner whose life is really elsewhere, and basically a sister-in-law who hates her. Not without reason.

[tennisgurl]

I'm glad that I'm not the only one confused by the cake, although I thought it was hilarious. I am glad that Angel and EZ have been getting a lot of scenes of them hanging out this season. Now, where is the doggo?

Not sure I want a whole subplot with Galindo hiding out, but those nuns were seriously badass facing down that whole truck of armed men. Never mess with nuns. 

Bishop needs to get his shit together he's losing his way and his respect within the club. 

I really liked seeing more of Gilly and Creeper and their lives outside of the Mayans. It can be easy to forget that the supporting cast presumably has a lot going on outside of the clubhouse, I like seeing people when they're more or less off duty and interacting with people outside of the club. I certainly didn't expect to hear an MST3K reference on this show. 

Edited May 9, 2022 by tennisgurl

[magdalene]

What just happened????  Ok, this is a spoiler for the end of tonight's episode, 

Spoiler

Did they just kill off Coco? He sure looks dead to me.

 

[magdalene]

38 minutes ago, magdalene said:

What just happened????  Ok, this is a spoiler for the end of tonight's episode, 

  Reveal spoiler

Did they just kill off Coco? He sure looks dead to me.

 

This episode was hard to watch. Adelita, wow, I have no words.  But what upset me the most was what happened at the dog shelter. Dammit, it's a kill shelter.  Did they actually kill that poor dog for real? It looked so real. Are they allowed to do that?

What a depressing episode.

Edited May 11, 2022 by magdalene

[magdalene]

They killed that dog for real? On camera? That's disgusting. How could they?  That, and child murder and then the thing at the end. I think I am done with this show.

[Dowel Jones]

I seriously doubt they actually killed the dog, as euthanizations are done by trained personnel, not by actors.  So much could go wrong.  It's a lot easier to train a dog to lie down and "act dead".  Now, as for Coco, I don't think he was acting...  It's true that lead characters can often take huge amounts of punishment and be up and running in a couple of episodes, but, since they put so much effort into Hope's spiraling, it's more likely that he did eat it.

Speaking of Hope, I laughed at her little smirk as she was walking out the market door.  "Cleanup on Register 3, Stat!"

Sure, let's have a peace gathering at the clubhouse.  Jealousy, anger, and alcohol.  What could go wrong?  Interesting ritual with the pistol, though.

La Banquera isn't afraid of El Banquero at all, is she?  I wonder if there's a power play coming up when their Mom dies.

Well, one mystery was solved.  I thought Martin was Galindo's alias, but no, he's another hideout.  Or was, anyway.  Galindo is going to bring hell to breakfast on that gang for killing Tomas.  And Emily just wasn't that clever after all, which puts her daughter in peril, too.  That was a bit of a shock when that woman said "No, Mrs. Galindo, we found you."  Ouch.  Did she really have Marlon killed?  I have forgotten who he was.

Adelita is full on whack job, now.  Forget about any crusade against the cartels.

The razzing of the the Prospect isn't too far off the mark, I think.  I read a book once by an undercover cop who infiltrated the Mongols biker gang.  He detailed the verbal abuse and petty shit that he had to go through as a prospect.  It was an eye opener as to what kind of lowlife would subject themselves to that to join a bunch of other lowlifes.  

[CrazyDog]

Well. That was a downer of an episode, even by SOA and Mayans standards. Both shows do better when there is humor interspersed among the bleakness.

They would not euthanize a dog live for a TV show. It was still sad enough, that I was glad I read a recap before watching the episode so I could fast forward through that section. As one who has volunteered in (less depressing, thankfully) shelters and worked at a vet's office, that still hit too hard.

I don't care about EZ's love life.

And I had to look up Marlon too - EZ killed him, I think? By accident?

I feel bad for Adelita's baby. That whole storyline was just a mess. And sure Adelita, sit on the side of the road covered in the blood of your victims. That won't attract attention.

Poor Nails. Maybe she can take the baby that Angel doesn't give a hoot about, and go off to a better life with Gabby or something. Take Hope too, and get away from SP.

Poor Coco. Richard Cabral is such a great actor, but it seems like he has a new coffee business going, and hasn't posted about the show in a long time.

The back and forth with the club (kind of) trying to unite, followed by fights and grudges, followed by Alvarez telling them all to knock it off, is getting a little repetitive. But sounds like the tide might be turning against the charter.

ETA, Cheri Oteri? So random, lol.

Edited May 11, 2022 by CrazyDog

[chick binewski]

53 minutes ago, CrazyDog said:

I don't care about EZ's love life.

And I had to look up Marlon too - EZ killed him, I think? By accident?

I feel bad for Adelita's baby. That whole storyline was just a mess. And sure Adelita, sit on the side of the road covered in the blood of your victims. That won't attract attention.

Poor Nails. Maybe she can take the baby that Angel doesn't give a hoot about, and go off to a better life with Gabby or something. Take Hope too, and get away from SP.

Poor Coco. Richard Cabral is such a great actor, but it seems like he has a new coffee business going, and hasn't posted about the show in a long time.

The back and forth with the club (kind of) trying to unite, followed by fights and grudges, followed by Alvarez telling them all to knock it off, is getting a little repetitive. But sounds like the tide might be turning against the charter.

ETA, Cheri Oteri? So random, lol.

I actually like EZ's scenes with Emily, but otherwise yeah - I'm not invested in his romances. At least they haven't brought back last season's Mary Sue.

Adelita was already written into a bit of a corner but damn. It also didn't make a lot of sense that she carefully staked out the couple, then followed up with a sunny morning double-murder where she didnt bother making sure the baby was secure first.

I dud not expect to see Oteri on this show - a nice surprise. If I remember correctly Emily was whining about someone else being corrupt and taking bribes (bc she's ridiculous) and asked EZ to "talk" to Marlon, who freaked out and grabbed a gun and shot himself accidently when EZ hit him.

I may need a rewatch bc I could have sworn that Miguel knows EJO is his dad.

Also, according to the interwebs Coco is most def dead.

[magdalene]

It was dumb of me to think they would be allowed to kill a dog but I still think it was in very poor taste to show a fake killing of the dog. I don't care how many of these low lives they off on the show I do not want to watch animals get even fake killed.

I wouldn't be surprised if they kill Adelita off this season. How can she be a viable character after this? And I used to find her sympathetic.

I do not want to watch EZ's sex life, it's the most boring part of the show for me. I certainly am not rooting for his newest conquest, the child and dog killer.  His last girl friend was boring and way too good for him and the new one is a psycho in training. 

It looks like Richard Cabral lost interest in his role and the show?

 

Edited May 11, 2022 by magdalene

[Ottis]

19 hours ago, CrazyDog said:

Poor Nails. Maybe she can take the baby that Angel doesn't give a hoot about, and go off to a better life with Gabby or something. Take Hope too, and get away from SP.

This show, and SOA, are filled with people who would be far better off if they picked up, left and started over somewhere else. But they never can. And we watch until they all meet bad ends.

I mean, that poor girl at the shelter ... she thinks EZ is hot, shows up at his trailer and the fact she did that will not end well ... for her. 

I actually was very confused for a minute at the opening of the Adelita and FBI agent scene, because in the kitchen I thought she was Jax's girlfriend from SOA ... Maggie? Wow, what a connection across the years! Then I realized who she was. Never mind. 

"I think I need help. Real help." Truer words have never been spoken on Myans.

 

 

[tennisgurl]

They definitely did not kill a dog onscreen, the dog actor is presumably fine and is very talented at playing dead. Its really rare for animals to be killed onscreen anymore, if they had killed an actual dog and made us watch a puppy snuff film, we would have heard about it.

What a bleak episode, everyone was miserable and things just keep getting worse. Adelita has totally lost it, Coco is dead, the club almost tore itself apart before they were shot to shit, what an absolute mess. Every subplot was more depressing than the last, it almost felt on purpose. Like watching dogs die? Like watching violence against children? Like watching people try to get their kids to kill them? Then have I got an episode for you. Not even much in the way of comic relief like we get in a lot of episodes, it was pretty much all sad all the time.

It sucks so much that Coco is dead, and after he spent most of his last season stuck on meth head mountain, but I knew after that sweet phone call that he was toast. 

Poor Nails, she's so excited for her baby with Angel while he's still pining away over a woman who is currently wandering the highway covered with the blood of her murder victims clutching their baby.

Edited May 12, 2022 by tennisgurl

[MaggieG]

As soon as a shirtless EZ answered the door, I figured he and that girl were going to bang.

I used to work in a grocery store and I have definitely thought about doing what Hope did. 

Poor Hope. What's going to happen now with Coco gone and she's stuck with his sister/daughter (who's name I've forgotten) that hates her.

Ugh the stuff with the dog and that gang killing the kid was brutal

[CrystalBlue]

First the dog, then Coco.  I'm so heartbroken now that they done killed off Coco, my favorite Mayans character.

The shelter worker turned EZ's new love sex interest can just go away.  How can anyone be so callous as to just euthanize a dog (at a kill shelter, so it's all about the space and money) and not even give a comforting word or affection.  EZ didn't know what she was doing when she told him to hold the dog.  I know they were going for bleak poignancy and I know they're going for the emotionally traumatized woman character but she's just bad news.  They can kill her off now so we see EZ pining away for yet another chick.  Blech.

Hey, was Emily calling EZ's phone while he was banging the dog killer chick?

Adelita has always been ruthless about her cause and now her baby.

As soon as Coco told Hope he loves her and she told him too, and he took one last swig of beer as he turned around, I knew that was the last time he'd hear anyone tell him they loved him and that would be his last swig of beer.  I am so heartbroken.

[magdalene]

5 hours ago, CrystalBlue said:

The shelter worker turned EZ's new love sex interest can just go away.  How can anyone be so callous as to just euthanize a dog (at a kill shelter, so it's all about the space and money) and not even give a comforting word or affection.  EZ didn't know what she was doing when she told him to hold the dog.  I know they were going for bleak poignancy and I know they're going for the emotionally traumatized woman character but she's just bad news.  They can kill her off now so we see EZ pining away for yet another chick.  Blech.

So much yes! Everything about her behavior was a big no no! to me.  She involved EZ in her killing of the dog without his consent, he had no idea at first what was going on.  Heck, neither did I, I thought she was giving him a vaccination or something because the poor dog was being adopted. I am so naive I guess. If someone at one of those places  involved me in an animal killing like that I would sue them to oblivion. I'll be dancing a jig if that character gets killed off.

Also, don't you have to be a vet to euthanize an animal? 

[CrystalBlue]

6 hours ago, magdalene said:

So much yes! Everything about her behavior was a big no no! to me.  She involved EZ in her killing of the dog without his consent, he had no idea at first what was going on.  Heck, neither did I, I thought she was giving him a vaccination or something because the poor dog was being adopted. I am so naive I guess. If someone at one of those places  involved me in an animal killing like that I would sue them to oblivion. I'll be dancing a jig if that character gets killed off.

Also, don't you have to be a vet to euthanize an animal? 

No, there are veterinary euthanasia technicians and certified animal shelter euthanasia technicians.  Requirements vary from state to state in the US.

[magdalene]

4 minutes ago, CrystalBlue said:

No, there are veterinary euthanasia technicians and certified animal shelter euthanasia technicians.  Requirements vary from state to state in the US.

Well, one thing is for sure - I wouldn't be able to do that job that's for sure.

[CrystalBlue]

3 minutes ago, magdalene said:

Well, one thing is for sure - I wouldn't be able to do that job that's for sure.

Nor would I, especially killing healthy animals or on demand by pet owners.

[toodywoody]

This episode. My gosh, Hope and Letty, Gilly,  Angel, then poor Nails. So sad.

[Sir RaiderDuck OMS]

So EZ, Angel and Redshirt are going to attack a SOA hospital stronghold next week? Three guesses as to which one's not coming back.

I love how the show is portraying the battle of wills between Canche and Alavarez. The obvious respect the other Presidents have for Alvarez will only go so far, and both men know it.

Bishop's become a whiny little bitch, though. Bish: Your dogshit leadership is what got your club nearly wiped out. You suck at being a leader. Accept it and stop acting like a drunken emo sissyboy. And make up with Taza already. He's the only one left in the MC who's not sick and tired of your act. When your former prospect EZ sucker-punches you and nobody objects, that shows how far you've fallen.

Does Angel's girlfriend miscarrying mean Adelita's coming back into the fold? Her baby IS Angel's, right? She's gone so outside the periphery of the Mayans that if she disappeared from the show entirely, I doubt she'd be missed.

With Coco taking the dirt nap, what exactly WAS the point of the entire Methhead Manson storyline from last season? Seems like a lot of screen time to invest in a character we'll never see again, unless Coco's actor just wanted out suddenly.

 

[SHD]

1 hour ago, Sir RaiderDuck OMS said:

With Coco taking the dirt nap, what exactly WAS the point of the entire Methhead Manson storyline from last season? Seems like a lot of screen time to invest in a character we'll never see again, unless Coco's actor just wanted out suddenly.

And remember the big to-do about the fact that the lead Meth Mountain guy had an SoA Reaper tattoo on his ribs? So that was just nothing?

[magdalene]

This show is so utterly bleak and depressing.  Why am I still watching this?

I feel terrible for Angel's girlfriend, losing that baby in such a horrible fashion. And now he's cheated on her with Coco's grief-stricken teenage daughter - he's what? In his thirties. How gross.

For me the only character that has improved since last season is actually Galindo. I don't know exactly what's going on there, but he seems to have had a reckoning of the soul of some kind. Everybody else has devolved.

The one pleasant surprise - Letty not throwing Hope out and actually accepting comfort from her. Dare I hope they will help each other?

[MaggieG]

15 hours ago, magdalene said:

This show is so utterly bleak and depressing.  Why am I still watching this?

I feel terrible for Angel's girlfriend, losing that baby in such a horrible fashion. And now he's cheated on her with Coco's grief-stricken teenage daughter - he's what? In his thirties. How gross.

For me the only character that has improved since last season is actually Galindo. I don't know exactly what's going on there, but he seems to have had a reckoning of the soul of some kind. Everybody else has devolved.

The one pleasant surprise - Letty not throwing Hope out and actually accepting comfort from her. Dare I hope they will help each other?

I thought that was nice too. Although was Hope crying in the bedroom when Angel and Letty were getting it on the living room? How old is Letty supposed to be? 

Poor Nails. Angel you ass, answer your phone! And poor Felipe too, he seemed excited to be a grandpa.

[ctlady]

1 hour ago, MaggieG said:

And now he's cheated on her with Coco's grief-stricken teenage daughter - he's what? In his thirties. How gross.

Sounds an awful like a very popular Sons of Anarchy fan fiction - circa 2008 - called Fearless.  In a nutshell - Happy and Chibs' teenage daughter.  This story set the stage for many Sons/toughs-as-nails teenage princess FFs

[Dowel Jones]

I found it interesting that EZ basically told Alvarez off during the Templo and there was no reaction from him.  Yeah, EZ is VP but you would think that would have sparked some outrage.  It appears the entire chapter is against Alvarez now.

[CrystalBlue]

Did anyone really think that Nails and Angel's baby would be born alive, healthy and happy, when we already have Angel's Adelita baby out there?  Let's hope Letty doesn't get knocked up now.  That grief-induced Letty/Angel hookup was really gross.  I guess by now she's at least 18, but still.  Geez.  Coco is dead and Angel bangs his daughter?  He's gone down a notch in my book.  I wonder if Letty will tell Hope she had sex with him.  Talk about soap opera.

They didn't sugarcoat the loss of Nails' baby either.  How heartbreaking to have the stillborn baby boy to hold.  At least she had Felipe there to help her get to the hospital and support her through the loss of his grandson.  So heartbreaking.

[CrystalBlue]

21 hours ago, Sir RaiderDuck OMS said:

So EZ, Angel and Redshirt are going to attack a SOA hospital stronghold next week? Three guesses as to which one's not coming back.

I love how the show is portraying the battle of wills between Canche and Alavarez. The obvious respect the other Presidents have for Alvarez will only go so far, and both men know it.

Bishop's become a whiny little bitch, though. Bish: Your dogshit leadership is what got your club nearly wiped out. You suck at being a leader. Accept it and stop acting like a drunken emo sissyboy. And make up with Taza already. He's the only one left in the MC who's not sick and tired of your act. When your former prospect EZ sucker-punches you and nobody objects, that shows how far you've fallen.

Does Angel's girlfriend miscarrying mean Adelita's coming back into the fold? Her baby IS Angel's, right? She's gone so outside the periphery of the Mayans that if she disappeared from the show entirely, I doubt she'd be missed.

With Coco taking the dirt nap, what exactly WAS the point of the entire Methhead Manson storyline from last season? Seems like a lot of screen time to invest in a character we'll never see again, unless Coco's actor just wanted out suddenly.

 

From what I've read elsewhere on the Internet, Richard Cabral wanted out of the show or quit acrimoniously or amicably, depending on who's telling the story.  I'm so sad to see Coco gone and wish Richard the best in the future.

Edited May 19, 2022 by CrystalBlue

[CrazyDog]

The rumor mill seems to say that there was some issue between Richard Cabral and Clayton Cardenas, which was disappointing to read, but it could all just be gossip though, and I saw nothing that really backed up those comments. I love Cabral on social media, and frankly, I'm tempted to try the coffee from his new company, lol. His passion for what he does really comes through.

Coco (and Hank) kind of remind me a bit of

Spoiler

Lem

from The Shield. The characters with heart, and Coco's presence will be missed.

Edited May 19, 2022 by CrazyDog
ETA, it's been years, so not sure if a spoiler tag is necessary, but just to be safe, ha.

[magdalene]

I always liked Coco better than Angel. He was a very vibrant character before that head-scratching and frustrating drug addiction story line last season.  Richard Cabral was also one of the better actors on this show. I would really like to know what the real reason behind his exit is.

I think Letty was about 14 when she came into the show, so that would make her about 16 now?  I know she threw herself at Angel but come on!  It's icky as heck. Really turned me off Angel.

It was heart-breaking seeing Nails holding her still-born baby.  I think they offer this as an option so the poor mother can get closure.

[CrystalBlue]

2 hours ago, magdalene said:

I always liked Coco better than Angel. He was a very vibrant character before that head-scratching and frustrating drug addiction story line last season.  Richard Cabral was also one of the better actors on this show. I would really like to know what the real reason behind his exit is.

I think Letty was about 14 when she came into the show, so that would make her about 16 now?  I know she threw herself at Angel but come on!  It's icky as heck. Really turned me off Angel.

It was heart-breaking seeing Nails holding her still-born baby.  I think they offer this as an option so the poor mother can get closure.

There's info, theories, etc. aplenty if you look at Reddit's subredit MayansMC, on Twitter, FB and elsewhere.  The character Letty should be 19 by now, certainly over 18 or the show wouldn't have done that storyline.  More Reddit gossip:  Clayton Cardenas (Angel) and Emily Tosta (Letty) are dating IRL, a fact that some fans speculate is why they did that SL upon CC's request.  (I'm not sure about that.)  IRL CC is 36 and ET is 24, FYI.

ITA about the ickiness factor of the impromptu post-Coco's death hookup.

Edited May 20, 2022 by CrystalBlue

[magdalene]

Looking around the internet - which I probably shouldn't have done - because it's going to influence my perceptions - there are rumors that CC wanted Richard Cabral off the show.  Also, CC seems to have a rep of being arrogant and throwing his weight around back stage.

To be fair RC doesn't have a choir boy past and he has made no secret of his criminal history.

Something obviously went wrong back stage and Cabral cut ties with all his Mayans fellow cast members a while ago.

Edited May 20, 2022 by magdalene

[CrazyDog]

He still follows (FWIW) some of the actors on Instagram, like Emilio Rivera, but it does seem like he's not connected to Cardenas or JD Pardo, or the show itself.

I really enjoy the artwork done by Clayton Cardenas, so it's been really disappointing to read that he may be kind of a douche. But who knows where some of those reports are coming from.

I'll still enjoy what is an immensely talented cast, and I'll be watching to see what Richard Cabral does in the future.

[magdalene]

7 hours ago, CrazyDog said:

He still follows (FWIW) some of the actors on Instagram, like Emilio Rivera, but it does seem like he's not connected to Cardenas or JD Pardo, or the show itself.

I really enjoy the artwork done by Clayton Cardenas, so it's been really disappointing to read that he may be kind of a douche. But who knows where some of those reports are coming from.

I'll still enjoy what is an immensely talented cast, and I'll be watching to see what Richard Cabral does in the future.

I really hope this isn't all due to pettiness over CC being resentful of Richard Cabral's popularity as Coco and using his position of being closer to the No 1 on the call sheet to force RC out.  Sadly these things happen on sets sometimes.  Actor egos can be a tricky thing.

[Ottis]

On 5/19/2022 at 9:48 AM, Dowel Jones said:

I found it interesting that EZ basically told Alvarez off during the Templo and there was no reaction from him.  Yeah, EZ is VP but you would think that would have sparked some outrage.  It appears the entire chapter is against Alvarez now.

Against Alvarez in the sense that all of these guys are about knee-jerk reactions and inability to control themselves. Alvarez was actually trying to be smart about how to respond, but none of the rest of them are able to control themselves long enough to do something smart.

The significant change here is that EZ, who was introduced as "the smart one," now seems to have become like the rest of them. Just like Jax, who was aware enough tow ant to get out of Charming, couldn't escape its orbit. Not sure how long Mayans will continue, but wouldn't be surprised if EZ meets an end like Jax did,

One question ... why was Nails mad at EZ's dad after the miscarriage? Admittedly I had FF'd through most of the scenes about the baby so I don't know if they talked about something and disagreed. I just saw he was with her and took her to the hospital.

 

[isalicat]

3 hours ago, Ottis said:

One question ... why was Nails mad at EZ's dad after the miscarriage? Admittedly I had FF'd through most of the scenes about the baby so I don't know if they talked about something and disagreed. I just saw he was with her and took her to the hospital.

I don't think she was mad at him; she was just exhausted in every way and his son, who should have been there, wasn't so he was a physically present reminder of her losses on multiple fronts, and thus not wanted.

[chick binewski]

10 hours ago, Ottis said:

One question ... why was Nails mad at EZ's dad after the miscarriage? Admittedly I had FF'd through most of the scenes about the baby so I don't know if they talked about something and disagreed. I just saw he was with her and took her to the hospital.

 

7 hours ago, isalicat said:

I don't think she was mad at him; she was just exhausted in every way and his son, who should have been there, wasn't so he was a physically present reminder of her losses on multiple fronts, and thus not wanted.

Prior to Nails losing the baby I do think the show was trying to convey some sort of friction between her and Felipe that didn't really work. It's like they don't know what to do with EJO so they stick him with his character's sons girlfriends.

On 5/19/2022 at 8:48 PM, CrystalBlue said:

There's info, theories, etc. aplenty if you look at Reddit's subredit MayansMC, on Twitter, FB and elsewhere. 

I happened to stumble into some thread when reading about the show a few months ago and yikes on bikes there is a faction that really harbor some venom for Cardenas. And the actress. And the actress's mother? It's weird. Regardless, I'll miss Cabral's portrayal of Coco.

I have found the last two episodes very watchable. But the thing that still makes little sense to me is Bishop. I know he may have made bad decisions last season but he also seemed to have only bad choices. Bishop was leader who could be level-headed so this angry pouting is kind of hard to accept from the character.

[tennisgurl]

This season has taken a seriously depressing turn, I need a massive drink after every episode. Poor Nails, her sitting in the hospital holding her dead baby was so heartbreaking, especially knowing that Angel was off banging his dead friends much younger sister while their baby was dying. Not a good look, Angel. I also felt really bad for Felipe, he seemed to be excited about having a grandchild, he was trying to offer Nails as much support as he could but she was just too exhausted to deal with anything.

I am disappointed that it sounds like behind the scenes drama led to Coco dying, I always really liked his character. Its especially bad considering we had to sit through the whole meth mountain subplot last season only for him to get killed off now, it makes the whole plot feel like even more of a waste of time. 

Bishop needs to get his shit together, the club is falling apart and he's spending all of his time being pissy and depressed. 

The one bright spot was Letty and Hope comforting each other at the end, that was a really sweet tender moment in the midst of so much misery. 

[Dowel Jones]

My god, this show.  There is absolutely no redemption for EZ.  There is no way the writers can make him into anything but scum now.  And Angel, blaming Felipe for making the family such an evil entity.  Screw you, Angel.  Does the idea of personal responsibility have any meaning to you?

Miguel gets about a minute of screen time and then nothing.  What gives?

[magdalene]

I wonder if this is the last season.  Where can they go from here? Personally I am not able or willing to root for or excuse EZ' and Angel's actions. And then Angel blaming it all on his father - stay classy!  They are the main characters and I loathe both of them.  Neither is getting out of this show alive. And that is as it should be.

The way they are dribbling out Miguel's story line is very frustrating and odd.

[JenLily]

Fuck EZ, man. There was no reason to kill Gaby. Their faces weren't covered the entire time, including when Angel shot the security guard. Whether she went to the police or not, there's undoubtedly tons of security video all over the hospital that'll show those guys shooting the place up. Not to mention eyewitnesses as well as whoever may have heard Gaby actually say EZ's name out loud. Good decision-making skills there, VP.

Fuck Angel, too. He barely disguised his lack of interest in Nails and their baby the entire time and he has the nerve to blame her? She wasn't wrong when she asked him what has he ever done. Nothing, that's what. Except wallow in his own grief and misery. And then let's top it off by trying to bone your dead friend's teenage daughter. . . AGAIN. Ugh.

You can't even call these guys antiheroes. There's nothing heroic about them, they're just bad. Sofia should take Sally and get the hell away from EZ while they're still able.

[CrazyDog]

I forget sometimes that the show is already in it's 4th season. Maybe it's the shorter seasons, but it just seems like EZ went from 0 to 60 super fast.

36 minutes ago, JenLily said:

You can't even call these guys antiheroes. There's nothing heroic about them, they're just bad. Sofia should take Sally and get the hell away from EZ while they're still able.

Agreed, I shouldn't compare it to SOA, but it's hard not to at times. All those characters did horrible things throughout the show, but it just seems like Mayans is hitting that extreme a bit earlier, and leaving no one to root for.

I think SOA did a better job of showing a balance with other relationships outside of the club and some of the good that was around, even though it got super dark at the end too. 

IMO, shows as dark and bleak as this still need some sort of humor or sympathetic character to keep it watchable. And the humor and heart is totally missing from this season, maybe with Hope, Nails, Letty. Hank and Felipe as the exceptions.

I can't root for EZ, Angel is just a trainwreck, I don't care about Adelita, or Emily, or Galindo, and I can't even remember how Bishop was ever a leader.

I do find Manny kind of interesting and suspicious, but boy, the rest is hard to watch.

Edited May 25, 2022 by CrazyDog

[magdalene]

On Facebook there are comments saying that Gaby deserved to be killed. I have no words.

I used to find Adelita fascinating in the early seasons but they ruined her too.

Their faces were definitely visible for part of their killing spree in the hospital and there would be security cameras all over.  As convicted felons shouldn't their facial features be in the FBI data base?

I read that next weeks episode is directed by the actor who plays Galindo.

I am rooting for the dog. And somebody get that poor baby away from both Angel and Adelita.

[toodywoody]

I thought for sure Adelita was walking in the house with the baby.

Angel can fuck off. Going over to get a piece from Letty. I'm glad Gilly beat his ass. He deserved that shit. 

Could this show have made it even a while without her showing up with the kid. Like gd. And now Angel will be mysteriously all better now that he has the first kid back. 

Bishop, I swear, like dude all he does is sit around bitching and drinking. Like dude

I only have hope for Hank, Gilly and Alvarez at this point. And Creeper a little bit. I know Manny will get killed off because come on.

I get why EZ killed her. He was saving Angel but gd. 

[isalicat]

This show...this show...SMH! So dark. I still love it and still feel for both EZ and Angel and even Felipe. The kid is lucky (yeah, I know what?) that Adelita has finally gotten him to Angel's place; I was getting doubtful about that happening after our last encounter with her. Okay, as long as Sally is OK to the end I can put up with a lot, so lets have it.

[MaggieG]

As Gabby was talking about going to the police, I kept wondering "EZ wouldn't actually kill her to protect Angel would he?" Lo and behold. That was brutal to watch. 

I did appreciate that small moment of humor when EZ and Manny both told Angel to take the Dr's coat off because no way would he pass for a Doctor. Speaking of Angel, he had quite the day. Shot up a hospital, watched his brother kill his ex to protect him, came home to Nails telling him off and telling him she lost the baby, to yelling at his father, to getting beat up by Gilly to coming back home to Adelita and the baby he thought was dead.

Bishop, you did not just insult that beautiful grandma! You have more gray hair and look older than her. Chill.