The Flash in the Media

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Advance review of "Back to Normal" -- no hard spoilers, though.

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Kreisberg talks WestAllen -- No new info here, I don't think; but I would like to point out a few... things.
 

“This whole season has been about Iris, whether she realizes or not, trying to take a step forward,” executive producer Andrew Kreisberg says. “She really did love Eddie [Rick Cosnett]. They probably would’ve had a life together, and a good one if everything hadn’t happened in the finale.”

 
LIES.
 

“We couldn’t just slam them together,” Kreisberg says. “It would’ve been a disservice to Eddie’s character and everything that happened between them. We left it on this simmer all season long, and now she should be ready to move on, but she’s starting to feel like the universe is telling her otherwise.”

 
"Simmer" implies that there was some heat under that pot. Nope. Although it was definitely on the backburner.

 

The WestAllen arc has moved forward some, but that was only recently, after the Earth-2 episodes.

[Ruby25]

Why the fuck does he and the show KEEP saying she would have had a life with Eddie, if not for the finale?? Are they trying to make people think Barry's her second choice? I don't understand these people, I really don't.

 

As far as a "disservice" to Eddie...dude, NO ONE cared about Eddie! He was a non-character, a roadblock that existed only to stand in the way of Barry and Iris the entire first season. Even the most naive viewer could see that.

 

Jesus, even Iris seemed to like him more after he was dead than when he was alive! He was retconned into being this great love, her true love, even. That's total bullshit.

 

If you want people to root for and invest in your main couple, you have to keep the heat boiling and constantly developing the relationship, you can't just leave it on ice and then bring it back in out of nowhere. And you also have to show that they're the one's who are supposed to be together, not just that they're coming together only because her true love is dead. WTH kind of writing is that? God, these people are amateurs when it comes to this stuff. This is "will they/won't they" 101, I could do it in my sleep, that's how many shows I've watched in my life. Sometimes it feels like these guys haven't seen any!

Edited April 26, 2016 by Ruby25

[zannej]

I actually liked Eddie, but I wish they had found a way for him to split with Iris without messing up his relationship with Joe-- some way where he could still be friendly but have moved on to someone else. Maybe that dancer, Charlene (I think that was her name) that he was supposed to hook up with the night he caught the purse-snatcher.

 

Trini, I have to agree.  I call bullshit on that article saying the season has been about Iris. WTF? Is he even watching the same show? It's reminding me of Criminal Minds when they said a finale was centric around a specific character and that character spent the majority of the episode unconscious in the hospital (mostly offscreen) and contributed nothing to solving the case. I wonder if these people actually believe their own BS or of they are just saying it to try to appease fans.

 

Simmering? It was barely even warm! I've pulled stuff out of my fridge that was warmer during the first half.

 

I did like the previous article that talked about the upcoming episode though. Now I want to see it even more.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Kreisberg talks WestAllen -- No new info here, I don't think; but I would like to point out a few... things.

 

 

LIES.

 

 

"Simmer" implies that there was some heat under that pot. Nope. Although it was definitely on the backburner.

 

The WestAllen arc has moved forward some, but that was only recently, after the Earth-2 episodes.

 

Let me add my .02 here: LIAR!LIAR!PANTSONFIRE!!!!

[Ruby25]

The only thing I kinda liked about that interview is the fact that it sounds like he's being a little defensive and trying to justify why they didn't go back to Barry and Iris until now, which means the interviewer was probably asking why that was the case this season. As she should, because it was really stupid to drop what they had focused on for the entire first season like a hot potato, leaving most viewers confused why it seemed like no one on the show even remembered what happened last year.

 

I won't forgive them for that. He can try to rationalize it all he wants, but that was HORRIBLE writing and a severe mistake. It was just wrong. I even saw some Collider article mentioning recently how most shows would not have gone this long without even hinting at their main ship the way The Flash did this season. All it would have taken was some longing looks, some underlying tension, some wistful glances between the two of them, even while the time filling Patty was in the mix (who by the way, turned out to be a complete and utter waste of time- she may as well have never even been on the show, considering the less than zero impact she made. I mean seriously, she could have at least been used to help Iris realize her feelings! WTF was she on for? To get Barry laid and that's it, apparently).

 

Shows. Do. Not. Drop. Their. Main. Couple. Period.

 

Not if you want people to remember it and keep rooting for and wanting it to happen. That was severe amateur hour in the writers room.

Edited April 26, 2016 by Ruby25

[Trini]

Interview with Cavanugh and Kreisberg;

And producer post-mortem of "Back to Normal".

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Carlos Valdes' comments on the Man in the Mask. They keep trying to hype up whoever he is and the reveal, but I'm not even excited to guess after this whole mess with Zoom. I'm sure they think it will be mind-blowing, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.

Seriously; next season they need to simplify.

[ruby24]

I don't see how it can possibly be somebody NOBODY has guessed. And we know there has to be a real Jay Garrick, and even Carlos says that is explained with the reveal. I don't see how it can be "mind-blowing," I think they must be exaggerating.

[phoenics]

After reading that article and how convoluted everything sounds, I no longer care who the MiTM is.  I think all of the things we've suggested are better than whatever they've come up with.  I still like the theory that it's Future!E1 Barry, but that won't be it.  Plus all of these twists and turns are just way too complicated.  Last season it was a much simpler reveal - but still really amazing.  This season it feels like they added too many twists in an attempt to throw everyone off and it just ruined it.

I do wonder if Zoom is a time remnant himself?

[zannej]

My guess is Hunter's father or the real Jay Garrick (who may be the same person) or Eddie Thawne from some other earth (possibly Earth2).

I'm starting to not care who the man in the mask is either. I think the writers may not even have been sure from the start.

Hunter saying "Do you know how hard it was to be Jay?" reminds me of when Eobard said "Do you know how hard it has been to keep all of this from you..."

When Andrew said of Harry: "It’s what pushes him to come up with the plan that he comes up with at the end of this episode, which propels the plot forward." I couldn't help but what pushed Harry to come up with such a plan was the head injury he sustained in the crash.

The bit about not feeling it is a repeat of last season... and I get the song "Feelings, nothing more than feelings" in my head. Also, IIRC, Barry was actually reluctant to trust Jay. Caitlin really pushed him to trust him. But Barry trusted Wells (Earth 2 version) when others didn't. I think he actually has decent instincts on that one. Should have listened to his gut.

Tom saying this version of Wells "coming along swimmingly" gave me the urge to see the character swim for some odd reason. :P And I think he was totally kidding about the highest tally winning.

 

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Can we expect to see a kiss between them, before the end of the season?

KREISBERG: You can expect some twists and turns in that, but I think you can also expect it to be moving steadily forward.

Sounds like a cop-out answer to avoid saying "No"

Edited April 30, 2016 by zannej

[ruby24]

Yeah, sounds like a cop-out to me too. If they don't at least kiss, that's kinda bullshit. This shit has been dragged out for TWO years, they're not even getting one measly kiss this season? Dragging things out like this is NOT FUN to watch. It's aggravating as hell.

What's wrong with letting them freaking kiss already? Damn.

Edited April 30, 2016 by ruby24

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Carlos Valdes interview about the next few episodes; mild *spoilers*.

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TVLINE | I have greatly enjoyed the “mutual snark society” between Cisco and Harry this season. Is that as much fun for you and Tom Cavanagh to play as it seems?
Oh, absolutely. It sorts of continues off camera, after they yell “cut.” [Laughs] That’s actually what our relationship has been for the most part, even throughout Season 1. Tom’s a very playful actor and I am as well, so we try to engage in all sorts of banter and shenanigans all the time. It’s been really refreshing and really natural at times to play these things. Also, you never know what’s going to happen. We always bring in ideas in the moment, and that allows what you see on screen to feel spontaneous.

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Another with Carlos; mild *spoilers*.

Tom Cavanugh talks with DC All Access.

Edited May 3, 2016 by Trini
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[zannej]

15 hours ago, Trini said:

Another with Carlos; mild *spoilers*.

 

Tom Cavanugh talks with DC All Access.

Thanks!

How long is the video? (I ask because I have a bandwidth limit for my ISP so I'm debating whether to watch it now or to wait until my ISP's "free" period where bandwidth doesn't get counted toward my monthly usage).

[Trini]

The video is almost 9 minutes, but Tom is only there in the first half; the rest is about other shows.

[zannej]

1 hour ago, Trini said:

The video is almost 9 minutes, but Tom is only there in the first half; the rest is about other shows.

Thanks. A 9 minute video would eat up waaay too much bandwidth. I'll have to wait.

I forgot to click the link to read the article with Carlos before. Interesting. I did love that they mentioned Inigo Montoya.

[Trini]

The Flash nominated for 3 Leo Awards.

[zannej]

Ok, watched the first half. LOL! I wonder what Tom did to his poor finger. Looks almost like he smacked it with a hammer or had something smash his fingertip. That Reverse Flash statue was so cool!

[Kromm]

Oh, for those of you surprised by how irreverent Tom is in stuff like this, it's pretty much his default mode when appearing as himself. 

If you want more of that, listen to the long time Podcast he's been doing for years and years with his former co-star (from "Ed") Michael Ian Black: Mike & Tom Eat Snacks

There's about a million ongoing/in-jokes in the newer episodes, so you may want to go all the way back and listen from the beginning. Or not. It's just interesting (and funny) to see how bugnuts Tom C. is when he's not acting like (some version of) Harrison Wells.

[ruby24]

Alan Sepinwall of Hitfix just posted an article basically saying The Flash has been way too dark and dour this season, and misses the light and fun tone that people liked about it originally. He also says redo-ing the basic plot from S1 with RF felt lazy, but I'm hoping this criticism about the tone is going to sink in, because that would be the major fix I'd make for the next season, and permanently going forward.

He mentions of course, Barry's whole attitude change on Supergirl, and this is the thing I agree with 100%. They need to bring that light, fun feel back and Barry's joy and cheerfulness from Season 1. He's supposed to enjoy being a superhero, that's why people liked it in the first place. Leave the misery to the Arrow people.

I can forgive some of the complicated plot stuff as long as it's fun (just look at something like iZombie for example, or even the E2 episodes from this year). I think it's had some good eps, but overall, yeah, the tone has changed and not in a good way. That's fixable though.

Maybe don't introduce a Big Bad so quickly and then have to have him loom over the entire season. Just focus on having great individual eps, maybe building up the Rogues. Have the BB materialize as a threat in the last third only, and have the ongoing thread be building on the relationships between the characters, and friendships, family, etc.

[phoenics]

Iris trended last night with over 46k tweets!  Wow!  I'm actually stunned.  Zoom trended at about 28k tweets.  Damn!

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'The Flash' VFX Boss Reveals Secrets of Creating Superheroes for TV:

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"The first step in Zoom was creating his look, and that was a collaboration with the costume department and our producers to create a different kind of speedster look physically," Kevorkian says. "We had two versions: the live action Zoom that you see and then we have an all-CG version for certain shots. One thing we decided straight away was that his eyes would be more effective if they were just black to represent the soulless aspect of him. And instead of vibrating him like we did with Reverse-Flash, we decided because he is in our storyline the fastest speedster around, the crackle of energy is constant on him. And the blue lightning aspect, that was to differentiate him from Flash so when you have them both in the same scene, you wouldn't get mixed up with the colors of the lightning."

Edited May 5, 2016 by Trini

[zannej]

Thanks, Trini. I have to say I like the lightning crackling and full face mask better. Every time I saw the vibrating face on Reverse Flash it made me laugh. It just looked funny to me.

[Trini]

Preview clip; this probably opens the episode:

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Another clip; it's the same scene as the comic preview.

Another "Runaway Dinosaur" clip; the speed force can talk!

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Candice Patton comments in this short article:

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"For me it's always been more about the story and the heart and the family behind the superhero, rather than the theatrics and the special effects and the CGI," Patton tells Zap2it. "That stuff is the icing on the cake, but if you don't have a great story as the base, you don't have anything to stand on. I think our show has accomplished that in a way that crosses over viewers of all races, creeds and ages. That's such an awesome thing."

If you can stand Kevin Smith's rambling: 'Kevin Smith: How I came to direct The Flash'

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He came up with me to The Flash and when we got there that’s when I first got the episode. The episode’s written by Zack Stentz, who wrote Thor, the first screenplay for the first movie, and he co-wrote the X-Men movie First Class, so he comes from the world of comic book movie writing. They got him writing a script, this episode “Runaway Dinosaur” it’s called. You don’t see the script until you get up there. They write right up until the last minute. Then boom I saw the script and it was amazing. It’s perfect; it’s right up my alley. A lot of character stuff, a lot of emotional scenes, big time emotional scenes. The script felt like, and the episode really feels like, a spiritual sequel to the season 1 finale. They are kind of side-by-side episodes. That was my watermark that I was hitting for. That was the most fantastic episode of the show that they’ve ever done and also one of the strongest hours of television ever produced. Luckily Zack wrote a script that allowed us to do that.

Kevin Smith interview:

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So it kind of felt like when I was coming in on The Flash, the three pillars on which they've built the show -- heart, humor, and spectacle -- heart and humor, I can pull off. That's my bread and butter. Usually my third pillar is d--k jokes. But if you take that away and replace it with spectacule, that's what always has be going, "ehh, I don't know if I can do this." But the good news is, they're not doing two hours of spectacle.

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Your position as director is one of opinion and suggestion -- and also cheerleading, and that's what I brought to it in a big, bad way. I was so f--king enthusiastic, man. It rubs off; it's infectious. I was always worried it'd be irritating for people, like "Jesus, this guy likes the show too much." But they all like the show, too, so they were happy to have an outsider in there who's such a fan.

 

Edited May 10, 2016 by Trini

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Another Smith interview with similar info.

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Variety article which also has some more info about Smith's history with comics.

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Hollywood Reporter piece on Greg Berlanti: 'TV Producer of the Year'

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If you're going to do something like The Flash, part of what made Barry Allen so great was that he was this guy in the middle of all these superheroes who couldn't believe that he was there, and he loved it. It was the first comic book character who made me cry. He died in Crisis on Infinite Earths saving everybody, and he was the last one anyone expected to save everyone, so inherent in this character was this heartbroken sadness and sacrifice, but at the same time this joy. That duality is something I've really latched on to in a lot of what I've done. This is the only Flash I'd know how to do.

The Flash film recently lost its director. Is helming that movie of interest to you?

No one's discussed that with me, but I could never direct a Flash movie that Grant Gustin wasn't the lead of. He's my Flash.

What sort of advice would you give to whoever does direct the film?

We have three words above the door [of the Flash writers room]: "Heart, humor and spectacle."

[sking24450]

Variety had another article on the Flash that talks about Warner Bros current problem of the DC movie universe and the doom and gloom aspect of the universe.  

Pretty complimentary to the Flash.

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"The Runaway Dinosaur" recaps: ComicBook.com, TV Line, E! Online, EW.com, Jo Blo, Superhero Hype,

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Easter Eggs: DC Comics, and Comic Book.com.

[ruby24]

So, Zack Stentz announced on twitter that he's joining the show as a consulting producer for Season 3. He wrote this last episode and he's also the writer of X-Men: First Class and Thor. He'll be writing more episodes next year as well.

To me, this is great news, because I thought this last episode really got the tone right and struck a good balance between the humor and emotion. It felt more like Season 1 again, because this season has been too dour overall, imo. So I think he knows exactly how the show needs to feel, and it's also good news because this guy wrote Iris better than she's ever been (outside the E2 episodes), and gave her a chance to be funny, proactive and dramatic. She felt totally integrated with everyone else and an essential part of the show. Hopefully that continues too.

Edited May 14, 2016 by ruby24

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Kevin Smith podcast (video) with Zack Stentz, with behind-the-scenes info about "The Runaway Dinosaur".

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"The Runaway Dinosaur" reviews:

Carter Matt:

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Yes, this was all incredibly strange, and probably could have been done in a lot less time. However, we did find it interesting, especially getting to see different sides of the likes of Joe West and Henry Allen. Eventually we also saw his mother Nora, where she gave him a little pep talk, they spent some time together, and he started to understand more of the choices he made and had the closure he’s probably been looking for.

 

AV Club:

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Instead, The Flash takes a page from the Sopranos playbook by delving into its main character’s psyche as prelude to the fireworks presumably to come.

That’s not to say The Flash achieves anything close to the kind of layered, abstracted deep dives into the subconscious Tony Soprano used to take, but if the net effect is to pull Barry (and by extension, the rest of the show) out of the moody doldrums of recent weeks, this is a worthwhile existential trip. ...

“The Runaway Dinosaur” also works as an expansion of the Flash mythology, at least as far as the television series is concerned.

IGN:

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It’s felt like the writers are moving a little too quickly in trying to bring Barry and Iris back together romantically, but all the same, Barry telling Iris “I’ll always come back when you call,” is easily one of the strongest moments the two characters have shared.

While all of this was unfolding, the Star Labs crew kept busy with trying to save Jesse and deal with the revived Girder. Girder was never one of the more compelling villains from Season 1, and his return here definitely felt like a means of creating conflict and basically keeping the characters busy until Barry returned. This subplot was good for comedy more than anything else.

Collider:

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Rather than waste an episode with a villain-of-the-week, The Flash instead decided to bring back one of the major themes of Season 1: Barry’s continuing struggle to get past his mother’s death. And, guys? It was heartbreaking, inspiring, and incredibly emotionally complex....

For so long, Barry was doing everything he could to save his parents — to save his father from an unjust incarceration and his mother from Thawne’s untimely murder. After a major event, it takes a while to change how you live your life, and it’s taking Barry awhile to understand how to move forward fueled by something other than grief and anger and denial. This episode was that turning point.

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TV Overmind:

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The Flash is always great at having a cinematic tone to itself in most of the episodes, with all the visuals, special effects and action that take place as well within the acting. This episode took it to a whole new level as it did step outside of its normal format and do something differently where you felt that this was a very different type of The Flash episode while it also had familiarity to it, tone wise. ...

It also gave us the chance to see the team having to be in a situation where they had to continue without Barry as much as possible and to a big degree they showed that they were pretty capable to deal with the issue on their own, at least for a bit.

As the huge Iris/Barry fan that I’m, this episode had one of the greatest moments of all time as Iris gets to shine big time as she, along with Cisco, helped Barry come back to our world as he was ready. The moment when they are both standing inside the Speed Force and holding each other’s hands, felt like watching a beautiful splash page in a comic book.

Comics Alliance: (with funny captions of episode screencaps)

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Dylan: It’s a fun idea, but of the two settings in the episode, this one captured my interest the least, mainly because it felt really overly-serious and drawn out. It did give us Oddly Subdued Joe West monologuing sagely at Barry while he grins like a maniac, so I’m okay with it.

Ziah: He definitely pulled off sage and all-knowing better than the rest of the actors, that’s for sure. He was sager than the produce section of the grocery store. ...

Ziah: Barry’s had Science Dads, Cop Dads, Criminal Dads, but now he’ll have a Deceased Dad! I think that’s Bingo.

Forbes:

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All of this makes for some good touching moments, and if you simply allow yourself to enjoy it without asking too many questions, “The Runaway Dinosaur” is entertaining TV. Of course, between the magic of the Speed Force and the magic of Team Flash’s techno-sorcery you do have to basically gulp down suspension of disbelief. ...

So I don’t mind the magic, but I do mind that the stakes seem to be only high in theory rather than in practice, and that Barry’s return doesn’t actually seem all that dire. If the zombie hadn’t been chasing down Iris, they would have been resting comfortably, unmolested by Zoom, awaiting Barry’s inevitable return.

Vulture:

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What makes The Flash such an incredible superhero show is its sincerity, empathy, and cast chemistry. "The Runaway Dinosaur" forgoes action in favor of highlighting these strengths. ...

Of course, no episode that focuses so heavily on Barry's emotions would be complete without a lot of attention given to Iris, too. Stentz must be a huge Iris fan because he gives her a lot to do. More than she's done all season, save for the great run of episodes on Earth-2. Candice Patton is a major reason why the story works so well. She plays Iris as brave and funny, and has great chemistry with the rest of the cast.

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Nerdist:

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Yet if there’s one thing the Scarlet Speedster needs to do more than any other superhero, it’s move forward. So by using this episode’s titular children’s book as a means of breaking down his relationship with her to its most fundamental level, he’s at last able to take the next step in his life, and allow his relationship with Iris to grow. ...

Of all the show’s characters, however, it’s Cisco who appears most comfortable in a Kevin Smith story, sputtering out dialogue tailor-made for the human hockey Jersey. The most telling is his argument with Iris over the appropriate use of the of the word “morgue.” Not all of the jokes land, but most of them help keep the episode as fleet of foot as I wish this show could be more often.

TV.com:

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This may feel like I'm winding up to shake an angry fist at "The Runaway Dinosaur" because I find the Speed Force to be ridiculous in how serious Flash-related things take the Speed Force when they should just be, "People can be very, very fast because we're a fantasy series, dammit." This won't be the case. I do have an angry fist to shake at the episode, but this was one of those instances where my angry fist shake was tempered by the fact that the episode was good at what it wanted to achieve: top-notch emotional Barry moments. ...

First, even though the episode was wrapping things up and getting Barry his powers back, it's pretty easy to see "The Runaway Dinosaur" as just another stalling for time hour, and it pretty much was. Zoom doesn't have enough in store of us, apparently, to warrant more than a couple of episodes focused on him, so hopefully there's a lot of whiz-bang-pow stuff for the last two episodes of the season. ...

When I say Barry is reduced to a nerve, I also mean that Gustin really switches a gear from easy-going bravado and overall adorableness to a young man who simply can't stop running from his past.

TV Fanatic roundtable:

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Jim: He learned that all of the good and the bad in his life has led to him being The Flash, and he had to accept that it included the death of his mother. I suspect going forward he will be more of a Speed Force evangelist.

Meg: That he can't run from his pain and has to face it. He never went to his moms grave which is so sad. He has been focusing on saving others but really needs to face his own grief. ...

Allison: I agree. She took charge. The scene in the morgue when she pushed Cisco behind her was a stand out moment for me. Iris finally found her place in the show, if that makes sense. She wasn't just there on the side, not really contributing anything. Iris was essential to taking down Girder.

Three If By Space:

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Even though the show has used Iris in this capacity before, I couldn’t help but feel that the scene where Iris reached out to pull Barry back to the world of the living was overly sappy. But this misstep was corrected for me by the graveyard scene where Barry was finally able to visit Nora’s grave. ...

When done properly, heavy episodes like this one can find a great mix of raw and dramatic, sweet and tender, and ridiculously campy and funny. The formula was done right this week. However, I couldn’t quite bring myself to give it a perfect score because of my slight disappointment in the Westallen romance.

Rickey.org:

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The story with Barry (Grant Gustin) coming face-to-face with various moments and figures from his past is one of those narrative approaches that only works if the character’s internal conflict is well-established. Naturally, we know that Barry still has issues with his mother’s death, and has taken it upon himself to be all things to all people. ... The peculiar nature of having Barry speaking face-to-face with the Speed Force itself is off-set by the insight he gleans from his experiences.

... And Barry gets a reward in the bargain, as Henry (John Wesley Shipp), fresh off of believing he’d lost his son forever, decides to move back to Central City to be by Barry’s side full-time. In fact, by episode’s end, nearly everything is going in Barry’s favor, as he and Iris seem to solidify their relationship, with Barry saying that he’ll always come back home for her. Hell, all that scene needed was a kiss to cement their relationship status, at this point. Barry reconnecting with Henry and Iris were two scenes that felt a long time in coming, adding to the overal feel of this being an episode that brought Barry’s origin full-circle.

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Extended promo for "Invincible":

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This Week in DCTV: the first 2 and a half minutes are about The Flash. Says that

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Tina McGee is in the episode, and be prepared for something that happens that might make you cry. GAH!

[ruby24]

Okay, so, the way Barry's acting in that new promo is seriously the way that I want to see him acting all the time. That is just night and day from his mopey attitude this season- it reminds me of his Season 1 self. I have a feeling it's going to get shot to hell by whatever happens in the episode, but writers, PLEASE take note of how different (much more appealing) his demeanor is when he's happy/confident as opposed to when he's down in the dumps.

And get the tone of the first season back for Season 3, because it seriously needs it. This was supposed to be the light, fun and happy show, and people liked it that way for a reason. In large part because of HIM. He needs to be like that again.

Really, I don't know why they want him to be Oliver Queen-lite all of a sudden. They had both Diggle and Iris say something like "Barry carries the weight of the world on his shoulders" this season, and I'm thinking no, he DOESN'T! He's not supposed to, he's supposed to be the opposite and the tone of this show was supposed to be opposite to Arrow's. They need to remember all the stuff people liked about Season 1, because that was a huge part of it. "Sunny" Central City, where people are funny and happy, etc.

Edited May 16, 2016 by ruby24

[zannej]

I had to squee when I saw Tina MgGee at Star Labs in the promo-- I noticed Barry had his mask off. While I do like confident Barry, I worry that he is a little overconfident. The whole "how can we lose?" thing just jinxed him. I'm pretty sure that something is going to deliver a very heavy blow that will shake his confidence by the end. But hopefully he'll be able to pull himself back up and remember that the speedforce told him there were going to be additional tragedies in his life. I hope that he can accept it and move on and NOT become the person that Eobard Thawne hated in the future. I want him to keep his optimism and appreciate the good things he has in his life rather than focus on the bad.

Also, I was rather disappointed in the last Legends of Tomorrow episode when they

killed Captain Cold-- and I heard that he might not be back for season 3 because the actor may have signed a contract for another series.

[Starfish35]

15 hours ago, zannej said:

Also, I was rather disappointed in the last Legends of Tomorrow episode when they

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killed Captain Cold-- and I heard that he might not be back for season 3 because the actor may have signed a contract for another series.

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He got a series regular contract for the Flarrowverse.  Which sounds confusing but I guess means he gets paid as a regular and they use him on whatever show they want him on.  Which for now apparently is going to be Flash and LoT.  They haven't disclosed yet what that means for his character, especially regarding what happened in the last episode of LoT.  It could be anything - alternate versions of himself, flashbacks, or they could bring him back from the dead somehow. Personally I'm just hoping he doesn't get reset back to what he was before joining the Legends crew.

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Grant interview at upfronts:

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Speaking with TVLine at The CW’s Upfronts event red carpet, Gustin also notes that despite this tragic blow, Barry is a man of optimism, and that’s a quality he likely won’t lose — though putting the best spin on things may be markedly harder coming out of the Season 2 finale (airing Tuesday at 8/7c).

The Flash frontman also weighs in on whether Barry might push would-be girlfriend Iris away after losing a loved one to a supervillain, ponders the prospect of another team-up with Supergirl (who this fall will also call The CW home) and reflects on the trickiness and hiccups of complex inter-show crossovers.

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The Flash in the Supergirl teaser promo, and CW superheroes sizzle reel:

[ruby24]

If they seriously force him to stay miserable and dark for yet another season...I will question whether the writers/execs ever realized what was so praised about the show in the first place. It wasn't just Grant's tears. It was the fact that it was fun for the vast majority of the season (there were only a couple of episodes where things got really dark in S1). It was Barry himself being mostly a sunny, cheerful person who loved being a superhero.

Has he even enjoyed being a superhero this season? Remember this stuff writers. PLEASE.

It was a sense of joy that Arrow didn't have. The last thing you want to do is copy stuff from that show.

Edited May 20, 2016 by ruby24

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Only Grant, Jesse, and Carlos came to upfronts?

Upfront report: http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/dc-crossover-supergirl-vampire-diaries-cw-1201778599/

[driedfruit]

Apparently none of the Arrow/Flash actresses were invited. Berlanti said it was a network decision. Fitting I suppose for how much importance they get within the shows. Although I'm most surprised about EBR not getting an invite over the others.

[Starfish35]

I think it was just the leads, more or less. Melissa was the only one there for Supergirl, and Stephen was the only one there for Arrow.  CV and JLM were there, but Grant was the only one who went on stage with the group when they did the presentation. Megalyn was there for Vixen.  They did have three people from LoT, Caity, Brandon, and Victor Garber, but that show is an ensemble and doesn't have an actual lead, so I guess that's why they did that. 

[driedfruit]

Mechad was there too, as well as other male mains like Justin from JtV. It set Twitter off lol because Carina (the TVD/TO writer) made a tweet about how EBR should've been invited. I don't watch Arrow, but all the jokes I hear about the show being changed to Felicity and Friends I figured she was now an unofficial lead.