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A place to discuss particular episodes, arcs and moments from the show's first six seasons. Please remember this isn't a complete catch-all topic -- check out the forum for character topics and other places for show-related talk.

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Season 3 was almost a deal-breaker for me. The whole Ireland storyline went on way too long, and it was so boring. Ultimately, it was worth sticking it out to see my man Opie (may he RIP) kill that bitch Stahl.

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Season 3 was definitely the worst one, too long, too drawn out with really uninteresting characters.  Didn't have a favorite episode but I did enjoy the scene where Jax follows the couple that adopts Abel, decides to stop following and let Abel go.  Almost as good as the tsunami Gemma released when she found out.

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Season 7 starts Sept. 9, and FX has been replaying Season 6, so it seems like a good time to get this forum moving!  I just watched the last 2 eps of Season 6, and I have to say.. I think they stand up.  The tension was still there, even though I knew what was going to happen.  I still hate Tara, and nothing will ever change that, and so I don't really care what happens to her, other than how it affects Jax.  Mostly, I am very interested in seeing the fallout from Clay's death, and how it affects the individuals and the club going forward.  

 

That said, I'm also glad it's the last season. I've enjoyed the ride, but I think doing any more seasons would only make this show more ridiculous than it has been.  

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Season 3 was almost a deal-breaker for me. The whole Ireland storyline went on way too long, and it was so boring. Ultimately, it was worth sticking it out to see my man Opie (may he RIP) kill that bitch Stahl.

I found the Ireland thing long, but just as long, and even more boring and pointless was Gemma hiding out with her dad.

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I still hate Tara, and nothing will ever change that, and so I don't really care what happens to her, other than how it affects Jax.

 

 

So I'm not the only one! I hated Tara too (even though I don't think she deserved to die, especially in that way). But I should probably clarify why I hated her. I didn't hate her in the way many people hated Skylar White--that is, I didn't hate Tara because she "betrayed" Jax or because she stood in the way of Jax being a "badass." To the contrary, I hated Tara precisely because she didn't do the things she did in season 6 earlier. I found nothing interesting about watching someone who had managed to escape Charming and build a life for herself only to come back and regress into an awful person who condoned much of Jax's behavior. As someone so eloquently put it, she was dickmatized and it was just disappointing/frustrating to watch.

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I actually liked Tara and I don't think she deserved to die, and certainly not in such a brutal way. Even Stahl's death wasn't as brutal and she did more messed up stuff than Tara. I found her character believable becaise I think its definitely possible to struggle between your love for someone and doing what's right. Through the seasons you could see that she was aware that it was in her best interest to leave Charming, but she couldn't bring herself to leave Jax. She took over caring for Able and I'm sure didn't want to leave him, and after Thomas was born it just got harder and she desperately wanted her family together. Even in the end and after all the times Jax betrayed he, even when she was afraid Jax would kill her, she still was hesitant to take the deal.

I actually find Jax to be a despicable character. He kbows that life isn't good for his boys, he repeatedly promises his wife that he's gonna get them out, and time after time fails to deliver. Did Jax ask Tara to talk to Otto while she was helping out at the prison? I might remember wrong, but if I have it right then he put her in the position that ended in her being arrested. Then instead of working to strengthen his marriage he hops into bed with the hooker madam. He's doing the same thing JT did, losing himself in a hooker instead of taking care of his family. The end result cost Tara her life.

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I know many people in my RL who hate Tara with a passion. Some due to the fact that she faked a pregnancy and then "miscarried" because of how it affected Jax but they love Gemma. I'm no fan of Tara's myself but I will forever choose her over Gemma for one simple reason. We all know Gemma was at the very least partially responsible for Johns death. Clay may have put the plans in motion but its pretty clear Gemma helped in some regard. She basically had the father of her children killed. Who does that? Say what you will about Tara but I doubt she would have ever done that. She was by no means perfect but she understood family. For all of Gemma's talk if she really valued it herself she would have simply divorced John and found a way to make things work. However, we would not have the show we do if that were the case. But I find that one act more reprehensible then anything Tara did.

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I actually find Jax to be a despicable character. He kbows that life isn't good for his boys, he repeatedly promises his wife that he's gonna get them out, and time after time fails to deliver. Did Jax ask Tara to talk to Otto while she was helping out at the prison? I might remember wrong, but if I have it right then he put her in the position that ended in her being arrested. 

That's what always bugs me about Jax, he is super selfish. I mean he always talks about wanting to leave SAMCRO, but when it comes down to it he doesn't want to because he thinks he is so great that the club can't go on without him (because it does so well with him) and the big one is he can't handle the idea that his wife would be the one supporting the family. 

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I have a hard time feeling sorry for Tara (just like I had a hard time feeling sorry for Carmella on The Sopranos).  These women know what they are getting into, not that Tara deserved to die but, do you really think a guy like Jax is going to leave everything he has ever known.  His outlawness (is that a word, lol) was what basically attracted you to him in the first place. 

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I don't feel sorry for her at all, she knew Jax's life and the life she was returning to when she returned to Charming for safety from Jax. She knew when she stayed and didn't leave for Chicago after Jax had taken care of her problem that her life was in danger everyday involved with him. She was at Donna's funeral,Tara knew Donna died because Opie was a target. Tara chose to stay anyway, Jax slept around, tried to dump her, slept around more and still she refused to go everytime he told her too. When Abel was kidnapped, she had the out to leave town and take Thomas with her since she knew she was pregnant. She refused, instead she went full on Gemma wanting to be her sidekick and beat up the porn star and break Gemma out of police custody to then helping dispose of the nurses's body. When Jax told her again later to take the boys and go to Oregon before he became President, she wanted to play stand by her man again and show Gemma.

 

She stayed because of herself, she was just as selfish if not more than Jax. She never put the kids safety first or take any of the outs she had given to her. She had chance after chance, and refused every time then her grand plan  it was more about Gemma/Jax and putting her in jail instead of actually getting the kids out of Charming. 

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I have a hard time feeling sorry for Tara (just like I had a hard time feeling sorry for Carmella on The Sopranos).  These women know what they are getting into, not that Tara deserved to die but, do you really think a guy like Jax is going to leave everything he has ever known.  His outlawness (is that a word, lol) was what basically attracted you to him in the first place. 

That is kind of the thing that always bugged me about Tara. I mean it is not like the first time he asked her to do something illegal was when they already had kids and were an established as a family. Back in season 1 she is illegally doing medical treatment on people. Wasn't it around season 2 that she helped jax steal some drugs from a medical clinic.  Then in season 3 her and gemma murdered gemma's dad's nurse and it just kept going from there.

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My point was that in the grand scheme of things Gemma being responsible for Johns death weighs heavier to me than what Tara has done and she's done a lot of fucked up things but I don't think she would have resorted to murdering Jax the way Gemma played a role with Johns demise.

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she's done a lot of fucked up things but I don't think she would have resorted to murdering Jax the way Gemma played a role with Johns demise.

Maybe she should have?

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she's done a lot of fucked up things but I don't think she would have resorted to murdering Jax the way Gemma played a role with Johns demise.

She wouldn't, because she was too obsessed with Jax. That's her problem. 

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She wouldn't, because she was too obsessed with Jax. That's her problem.

I also don't think she would have wanted Thomas and Abel to not know their father. Its one thing to raise them away from the club or to even contemplate ratting (which she didn't do) its another to have your spouse killed like Gemma did. She was obsessed in her own way.

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Add me to the I Hate Tara club.  It's hard for me to have any sympathy for this character when she was given so many outs, more than most fictional characters in her position.  Above all, she frustrated the hell out of me, and I wasn't even that sad when she died.  She didn't deserve to be stabbed in the head with a fork, but one of my first thoughts was, "Well, maybe season seven will be better because her self-righteous ass won't be in it."

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Tara was a character I didn't respect.  She had the skills and education to do some good in the world and she threw it all away for a thug.  She didn't deserve to die and her death was horrific, but I don't mourn her.

 

I always had a hard time believing that someone like her would want to live that kind of life.  Her story never seemed realistic.

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I always had a hard time believing that someone like her would want to live that kind of life.  Her story never seemed realistic.

I do wonder how she handled being away from Charming before she came back. For that matter how the hell did she handle the stress of medical school and her surgical residency. For that matter how the hell did she manage to be on her own in university doing her undergraduate work? She seemed so dependent on Jax.

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I do wonder how she handled being away from Charming before she came back. For that matter how the hell did she handle the stress of medical school and her surgical residency. For that matter how the hell did she manage to be on her own in university doing her undergraduate work? She seemed so dependent on Jax.

She just didn't seem smart enough, but I think people can be "book" smart but not life smart. She could have just not be personal life smart but had some educational smarts. Her obsession with Jax seemed to come above all, she was selfish in that regard. Despite all the claims about saving her boys and how she wanted to go in season 6. All those opportunities she had to go, she never took them. She never actually put the kids first and left when she had the chances, her obsession with Jax had to come first. Yet she yelled at Jax and said "look what you did to me." She did it all to herself.

 

It's ironic she yelled at Wendy over her not being able to raise the boys, called Wendy a weak stupid junkie who was too afraid of the club. Yet it's the weak, stupid junkie who was more smart when it comes to the club/Jax and may end up raising the boys.

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Season two was SOA's watershed moment, best one of the show's entire run.

 

I completely agree. I've been re-watching Season 1, which is not quite as solid, but the main selling point is that the characters seem like real people that it's possible to feel empathy for. No doubt, the seeds of what they would become are there, but no one is as over-the-top villainous or stupid as they have all become now in service of the plot.

 

On the Tara issue, the show lost me with her after Season 4. I just don't buy that she would have stayed after Jax made it clear he wasn't going anywhere anytime soon. Even if Sutter wanted to keep her around so that she could die a bloody death to add to the tragedy of Jax's life, they could have at least had her make a real attempt to go before circumstances forced her back. That would have been more fair to the integrity of her character and spared us her poorly planned desperate schemes in Season 6. 

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I have no sympathy for Tara. She CAME BACK to this. Just stupid. Plus thinking that she could outmaneuver Gemma with a (as she correctly pointed out) pretty weak junky partner is just stupid. Could she not meet her lawyer anywhere except at the hospital where her kids are in day care and where Gemma and the whole crew are ending up most of the time? ANd why did she not just go into witness protection?

Still Jax is stupid for continuing to trust Gemma.

I hope Nero gets away before the end of the show. He is the only one that deserves to live.

The more I think about this the ending I would like a "Usual Suspects" plot where Chucky ends up being the mastermind behind all of this.

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Yeah, how fucked up was that miscarriage "plot point"? That kinda shows she's not all that smart, after all. Also, not running the other way out of the house, WHERE THE COP was, when she saw Gemma. She's younger. She coulda got away!! LOL not what Sutter had in mind though. I often wonder if he is enamored of the Jax character to where he had to punish Tara cuz she kept Jax from being as horrible as he can possible be. Now, that she's out, he has certainly taken the cliched turn for the worst.

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My sister said Tara's fate was sealed, the moment she doen,t leave in S1.

Opting screw Clown Prince, mere steps away from where her psycho stalker ex-bf lay dead.

In hindsight, I must agree.

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Probably, there's probably Sutter logic in with Tara chasing after Jax at Donna's funeral too. If Donna's funeral makes her stay, that should have did her in right there.

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Good grief! Somehow I missed Season 6, so I just sped-watched it last week. Nothing was making me laugh harder than reading the PTV column on Charlie's accent. It is horrible & getting worse!! I lol'd sometimes during his expositions. Anyway, Jimmy Smits continues to light up my life as does Charlie, but Charlie is such a marginal actor IMO. Tara, stupid. Gemma, psychopath.

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I still miss Filthy Phil.

I brought this over from the most recent episode's thread.  I never liked any of these characters, being that they are all murderous jackasses....but then along came Filthy Phil! I thought his interactions with Abel were positively adorable!  And I loved the scene where he was babysitting for Jax and was eating the giant bowl of cereal ("I like cereal!").  Because of that, I fantasized in my own little brain that there were some kind of extenuating circumstances from his past that caused him to go down this path and that deep down he really was a good person and didn't like what he had become.

 

As an aside, I also could help but enjoy Clay, because...you know...Ron Perlman :)

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