Mind Your Surroundings: Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow and Other Superhero Universes

[AveMaria30]

I'm so excited about Felicity on LOT!! That outfit is A+ 

[SmallScreenDiva]

29 minutes ago, LeighAn said:

I don't think they will suit up Arrow Felicity but if Action and Fighting Felicity plays well on LOT then maybe they might be inclined to let her be action and fighting Felicity on Arrow.

I don't see why they have to see how action and fighting Felicity plays on LOT. Felicity usually trends and gets a lot of buzz whenever she does any action on Arrow. Like when she donned the ATOM suit. Or she punched BS. Or even when she just strikes a random bad guy with whatever is handy. I do wonder if this whole mask thing is not them testing that idea. I know Guggenheim said never while he's showrunner, but if the masked character does well on LOT? If she manages to tick up the ratings a bit? I would be open to the idea of seeing a masked Felicity on Arrow. 

[manbearpig]

6 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

I don't see why they have to see how action and fighting Felicity plays on LOT. Felicity usually trends and gets a lot of buzz whenever she does any action on Arrow. Like when she donned the ATOM suit. Or she punched BS. Or even when she just strikes a random bad guy with whatever is handy. I do wonder if this whole mask thing is not them testing that idea. I know Guggenheim said never while he's showrunner, but if the masked character does well on LOT? If she manages to tick up the ratings a bit? I would be open to the idea of seeing a masked Felicity on Arrow. 

I wouldn't mind a little mistaken identity hijinks with Felicity taking down her masked counterpart. Make it a comedic hour and give EBR some fun material with and it'd probably be a blast. (Give me real!Felicity pretending to be alternate!Felicity while we're at it because I live for that stuff and still crack up at Willow's attempts at playing the villain in Buffy's Doppelgangland).

[Morrigan2575]

I think this is their escape clause and chance to play with the character.  My guess is that the EPs either afraid of comicbook backlash or just their adamant belief that Felicity could/should never suit up have locked themselves into a corner.  However, they have a phsyical actress who seems to like doing stunts and, may occasionally ask for opportunities to try new things. 

With this they get to put Felicity in a suit, give EBR something different to play with and give her fans something to get excited over. While, at the same time keeping it AU and having no real impact on Arrow.

If the Legends remember Doomworld, I imagine Sara or Ray will bring it up during the next crossover as a joke.

Edited March 23, 2017 by Morrigan2575

[thegirlsleuth]

I just caught up on Legends, which continues to be a delight.  I found the NASA episode a little slow until Stein broke into "Day-O" with Mick as backup. I laughed like a drain, rewound it, and laughed again.  I just found it on youtube and laughed another time.  I might buy the season because I enjoyed it so much.

[tv echo]

From Andy Poon (Arrowverse concept illustrator) - the pics are the same as what MG posted...

[kismet]

On 3/23/2017 at 2:14 AM, BkWurm1 said:

But it will be only in the rewritten Villian's Doom Universe that it happens.  I could see them maybe somehow referencing it in the future either as a joke or a one off thing but it won't have actually happened in the regular world once the LoT get things sorted out again.  So I can't see it ever being even a semi regular thing on Arrow.  Still, you open that door.  I mean, by season 10 on Smallville Chloe was crack shot and trained hand to hand fighter so given time anything is possible.  

With the spear, anything can happen. I mean they got rid of Sara Diggle because of FP and that stuck. So even though they are in Doomworld, the impact could stay. TPTB including MG have opened that door to FS in a mask, so anything is possible even if it's a longshot.

The idea of FS having an actual mask she can put on from time to time has really grown on me, especially now that they are upping her autonomy with her work outside of TA with Helix. I never would have said that 2 seasons ago, but with the current Flarrowverse Mask orgy, I think everyone important should have a mask, since completely non-important people are given them. She doesn't need to mask up every week, but I like her having it in her arsenal. I know people that say keeping FS without a mask makes her special. And I understand their philosophy and rationale. I personally just don't agree with that ideology anymore. I think it's just a way to keep her separate but not equal in term of superheroing. FS has proven herself to be 10x more important than some people that are put on pedestals & worshipped in the Flarrowverse.

On 3/23/2017 at 2:21 AM, Mellowyellow said:

Didn't MG say she's never going to wear a mask on Arrow?

He did. But I never trust MG, he is a professional wordsmith and a trained attorney, words are malleable to him. He can always change his mind or twist his words. And even if he says no TPTB can always step over his desires. If the rumors are true, MG had not necessarily wanted to keep KC in her role and she still got 4 seasons of screentime and 1 season of character worship.

I know it's a longshot, but it's become a hope of mine. I don't expect it to happen on Arrow - but that doesn't keep me from wanting it to happen.

[tv echo]

A few media articles compared Felicity's new costumed look to DC's Spoiler and to Arrow's Huntress. So let's compare...

New Felicity Concept Art (for LoT)

The Spoiler (from DC Comics)

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The Huntress (from Arrow)

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Honestly, I think a lot of the DC and Marvel superhero costumes look similar, or have similar elements (hoods, capes, tailcoats, masks, buckles) - and there are only so many colors that work for superhero costumes.

Edited March 24, 2017 by tv echo

[JJ928]

I think people have been comparing her more to comic Huntress. Honestly, her suit looks inspired by a lot of different characters, but I really think hers looks better than any comparison I've seen. I am really excited to see how that costume translates on screen. Not because it's Felicity, but if it looks anything like that on the show, it'll be my favorite costume to date.

Edited March 24, 2017 by JJ928

[Sakura12]

She also looks like she could be part of Assassins Creed. 

[Cleanqueen]

My first thought was Assassin's creed.

Do we have any idea how long she's in the episode for. I was looking at shooting times and this episode was filmed literally the same time as 5x17 and we saw Emily in only one scene of 5x17 so it totally worked out for them to have her in this episode. Sort of like when she filmed 1x04 of the flash and only showed up last minute of 3x04 of Arrow.

[tv echo]

[kismet]

I definitely see more Assassin's Creed than Huntress, but I can see overlapping similarities. Then again like someone said above there are only some many colors that work for superhero costumes. And hoods, boots, and jackets are pretty standard all around, as is black/purple combo for females.

What is the backstory for the Spolier??? Because it does remind me of that costume from that picture, especially if there is a body suit under the jacket.

[tv echo]

^^^ Here's some interesting information about Stephanie Brown as The Spoiler (sound familiar?)...

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One of the reasons that Stephanie is such a surprising fan-favorite is that DC didn't intend for her to be so beloved. Her popularity and eventual fan support was more of a groundswell than a company design.

Stephanie was first introduced by writer Chuck Dixon and artist Tom Lyle in 1992 as the daughter of a villain called the Cluemaster. Her whole reason for becoming the Spoiler was to get back at her dad — to spoil his plans.

"I joked with the editors when I put her into the first story that she'd probably become popular, since I only had her in mind as a plot device for a single story," Dixon said.

And his predication was right.
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All that history adds up to one word: Tenacity. Not only were readers tenacious in their demands for more stories about Stephanie Brown, but the character herself ended up being a tough survivor who was determined to do good.
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Miller said that determination has always been at the core of the character. "She chose to be more than the sum of her parts and past, and to leave her baggage behind. She embraced and propagated 'hope,'" he said. "A hope that she could do the same for Gotham. A hope that she could become more."

http://www.newsarama.com/21779-spoiler-alert-why-steph-brown-is-a-fan-favorite-at-center-of-batman-eternal.html

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Stephanie Brown was born the daughter of the Cluemaster, one of Gotham City's third-rate villains. Stephanie's father spent most of her childhood in prison or away from the family. Though he claimed to be "rehabilitated" upon his return to Gotham, Stephanie was furious to discover that he was actually returning to crime without his need to leave clues behind. She decided something needed to be done. Stephanie tailored a costume for herself, and called herself the Spoiler. She knew where her father was hiding out, found out his plans, and left clues so that the police and Batman could stop him....
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Abilities
Acrobatics: She was trained by Batman and through her own experience in acrobatic tactics.[31]
Computer Hacking: She was trained by Oracle to hack computers and computerized security systems.[32] 
.... [Etc.]

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Stephanie_Brown_(New_Earth)

Edited March 24, 2017 by tv echo

[Morrigan2575]

Stephanie Brown AKA Spoiler AKA Batgirl AKA Dan Didio hates her.

Yeah, while the outfit does remind me of Spoiler I highly doubt LoT would make Felicity Spoiler on LoT. While DC may hate Stephanie Brown, she's quite popular with fans.

[kismet]

Well that description of Spoiler does sound a lot like EBR (acrobatics) & FS (hacking). I would not be opposed if they drew inspiration from The Spoiler.

[Morrigan2575]

1 hour ago, Sakura12 said:

She also looks like she could be part of Assassins Creed. 

I think it would be hilarious if Felicity basically says she took inspiration from a video game.

[Velocity23]

[SmallScreenDiva]

@Mellowyellow, thought you'd get a kick out of this

[Chaser]

29 minutes ago, Velocity23 said:

Scenes, as in plural?

I need someone to ask. lol

[tv echo]

Caity Lotz, Katrina Law and Katie Cassidy Looks like Heroes & Villains Fan Fest
Published on Mar 25, 2017, by Arrow12

[Primal Slayer]

Those 3 are the cutest together.

[Mellowyellow]

@SmallScreenDiva HA!!!!! I knew there were more of us out there!!!!!!

*quietly crying a bit that AUFelicity doesn't meet Ray*

Ahhh well, can't have everything in life. 

*so sad*

[Sakura12]

So we're getting masked hero Felicity vs evil Sara and Amaya. 

[Morrigan2575]

21 minutes ago, Sakura12 said:

So we're getting masked hero Felicity vs evil Sara and Amaya. 

Is that based on what BR said or something else?

After reading the BR thing I was wondering if Felicity tries to recruit Sara to the good side or if she somehow figured out the universe wasn't real and tries to get Sara/Amaya to wake up!

I have no idea if that would be possible but, that was my first thought after reading she only has scenes with those 2.

[Sakura12]

I was just going with Felicity's a hero and Sara and Amaya are villains, that she would show up to stop them from doing something bad. 

[Morrigan2575]

6 minutes ago, Sakura12 said:

I was just going with Felicity's a hero and Sara and Amaya are villains, that she would show up to stop them from doing something bad. 

Ohh maybe Sara/Amaya go after some masked hero and then when they find/catch her Sara gets flashes of real life? I'm assuming something clues them into the fact that Doomworld isn't real.

[TwistedandBored]

I am so happy Amaya, Sara, and Felicity will be sharing scenes together. Yes!

[bijoux]

8 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Is that based on what BR said or something else?

After reading the BR thing I was wondering if Felicity tries to recruit Sara to the good side or if she somehow figured out the universe wasn't real and tries to get Sara/Amaya to wake up!

I have no idea if that would be possible but, that was my first thought after reading she only has scenes with those 2.

This was my preferred scenario for the alien dream in the 100th.

[BkWurm1]

15 hours ago, Velocity23 said:

I suppose she could be actually working with them.

[tv echo]

So I guess the current superhero movie trend is using pop music from decades ago? Someone is conspicuously missing from this trailer...

Justice League Official Trailer (Mar. 25, 2017)...

Justice League Official Trailer UK (Mar. 25, 2017)...

Edited March 26, 2017 by tv echo

[Mellowyellow]

I usually like Amy Adams but I really didn't like her Lois Lane who was as annoying as hell. Going off to get a story somewhere, getting into trouble and needing Superman to rescue her. The character came off as a pest!

[tv echo]

This was retweeted by Blake Neely...

 

Edited March 26, 2017 by tv echo

[tv echo]

Has Marvel’s Iron Fist Just Copied Arrow?
By Rob Leane 03.24.2017
http://screenrant.com/netflix-iron-fist-ripoff-cw-arrow/?view=all

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Finn Jones’ Danny Rand and Amell’s Oliver Queen share a lot of similarities, as do the journeys they go on and the worlds they exist in. And since many have already spent five years with Ollie, it’s a little hard to engage with Danny’s story beyond the level of weird deja-vu. Here are 15 Ways Iron Fist Is A Rip-Off Of Arrow…
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8. TURNS OUT HE TRAINED FOR THE EXACT RIGHT THING
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It’s unclear if it’s intended to be a running joke or not, but the fact that Oliver Queen’s past comes back to haunt him in perfect chronological order on Arrow (with the five-years-ago flashback of the week never failing to sync up with the modern day action), but, at the very least, it always makes this writer chuckle.

When Oliver was having flashbacks about Slade Wilson, Deathstroke showed up in Starling City. When Oliver was having flashbacks about Constantine, magic was causing problems in the main plot. When Oliver’s flashbacks took him to Hong Kong, it turned out that his main chum from that era was now in the League Of Assassins. When Oliver had flashbacks about Talia, she popped up in the modern day a couple of weeks later, and so on.

The creators of Iron Fist clearly love this idea, since they introduced the plot point that Danny Rand has been training for 15 years to face one singular threat… which just so happens to rear its ugly head when he returns to New York. Like Oliver, he’s got a knack for training for the very specific thing he needs to be ready for.
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1. AWKWARD TECH SUPPORT / ASSISTANT DYNAMIC
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This is the one that really makes Iron Fist feel like a knockoff version of Arrow. Of all the things they shouldn’t have included, the idea of a superhero CEO having regular awkward exchanges with his assistant – where he asks her for weird stuff and won’t tell her why – really didn’t need to be redone.

Barrett Doss holds her own in the role of Megan, but everything she’s asked to do is just pure Felicity Smoak, right down to the lingering looks while Danny is getting changed. Considering that Emily Bett Rickards’ Felicity was so popular with Arrow fans that she went from being a funny supporting character to a core part of the show, Iron Fist’s Megan didn’t stand much of a chance in comparison, especially not with the limited screen-time they give her.

Whether it was a conscious decision to emulate Arrow or not, Iron Fist shouldn’t have bothered trying to introduce its own hero boss/confused assistant dynamic. It’s been done before, and like most of the things on this list, it was done far better on Arrow than Iron Fist.

15. PRESUMED-DEAD BILLIONAIRE RETURNS TO THE COMPANY
14. HE FORMS WEIRDLY INTENSE FRIENDSHIPS VERY QUICKLY
13. TRAINED BY WARRIOR ZEALOTS
12. VIOLENTLY TARGETS THOSE THAT MESS WITH THE CITY
11. NAFF FLASHBACKS TO THE MISSING YEARS
10. AWFUL FAKE BEARDS
9. HE CAN SPEAK FOREIGN LANGUAGES, AND HE HAS A TATTOO! HOW MYSTERIOUS.
8. TURNS OUT HE TRAINED FOR THE EXACT RIGHT THING
7. DAD’S FRIEND AND DAD’S FRIEND’S SON ARE VERY SHIFTY, AND OUR HERO IS CLOSE TO DAD’S FRIEND’S DAUGHTER
6. PEOPLE THAT DON’T AGE
5. PEOPLE BEING BROUGHT BACK FROM THE DEAD
4. INTRODUCING MAGIC TO THE SHARED TV UNIVERSE
3. SHOEHORNED MINI-CROSSOVERS AND REFERENCES
2. NEW CEO DOESN’T UNDERSTAND WORKING HOURS GIMMICK
1. AWKWARD TECH SUPPORT / ASSISTANT DYNAMIC

Edited March 26, 2017 by tv echo

[Chaser]

That's their Number 1? Lol. You would think the whole premise would be top the list, not a minor dynamic.

I guess it's a compliment though. Felicity and Arrow are so tied together.

[ComicFan777]

Kinda funny that the Felicity Smoak knockoff in Iron Fist happens to be named Megan, since Felicity's middle name is Megan.

[Sakura12]

I don't remember a tech support woman on Iron Fist? There was an assistant at his business that barely had a part in the show and only helped with the business side. She didn't do anything tech related. As for awkward exchanges, Danny had awkward exchanges with anyone he talked too, including a homeless man, another mental patient, a psychiatrist, Colleen, Claire, Joy, Ward, etc...

Team Iron Fist consisted of Iron Fist, a fellow warrior Colleen that worked for a shady organization (that I guess would be like Sara) and a nurse, Claire which none of the hero shows thought to have and probably should. 

The flashback were pretty much non-existent, I actually wish we had more since they were just quick flashes where we barely saw anything. So I cannot make that a comparison to Arrow.  Arrow depended a lot on the flashbacks. Iron Fist not at all. 

Danny wasn't the CEO he was just a majority shareholder that had no position with the company. He sucked at it because he's stuck in the mindset of a 10 year old. So he's even dumber than Oliver. Danny is a total moron, that would believe anything you told him. I think he's the dumbest hero on television right now. I have no idea why Matt, Jessica and Luke would even want that guy on their team. He's not even a good fighter. 

I also think the Marvel shows do a much better job than the CW shows on their crossovers and references. I can see that they are all connected while the CW shows are mostly unconnected until the crossovers. 

Edited March 26, 2017 by Sakura12

[Morrigan2575]

Don't tease me CL that's all I've ever wanted ?

I'm guessing she's talking about 216 but damn, i want it permanently 

Edited March 26, 2017 by Morrigan2575

[Primal Slayer]

this turned out to be a pretty boring fest news wise. Nothing really exciting was said/revealed.

[Chaser]

It took me a moment to realize what CL was probably talking about.

Renewed bitterness that they didn't give the title back to Sara and let her do her own thing on LOT. 

Olicity wise, I'm pretty happy with this Con.

Edited March 26, 2017 by Chaser

[legaleagle53]

3 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:

I usually like Amy Adams but I really didn't like her Lois Lane who was as annoying as hell. Going off to get a story somewhere, getting into trouble and needing Superman to rescue her. The character came off as a pest!

That was simply Lois being Lois during the Golden Age and much of the early Silver Age.  You're used to the post-feminist Loises that existed from the 90s on.  Amy Adams' take on the character was simply a throwback to Lois as she was originally written.

[strikera0]

It would have been best if Arrow had kept Sara as Black Canary when they had her. It would have saved the show so much trouble in the ensuing years. Now the show's reputation is pretty much in tatters and the Black Canary character has become a red rag for god knows how many television viewers, which is a shame because she's a wonderful character in the BOP comic books. 

Edited March 26, 2017 by strikera0

[Sakura12]

I wish they'd let Sara go back to being Black Canary, she looks better in black. Then they could still have their Green Arrow existing with Black Canary, they just have their own teams and come together when they are needed. I thought the Crossover showed me they still have a strong bond when they talked about how that dream world was nice but it wasn't real. 

Sara still basically has the personality traits of comic BC, she's one of the best hand to hand combat fighters and is a great leader of her own team of heroes. 

[Hiveminder]

20 minutes ago, Sakura12 said:

I wish they'd let Sara go back to being Black Canary, she looks better in black. Then they could still have their Green Arrow existing with Black Canary, they just have their own teams and come together when they are needed. I thought the Crossover showed me they still have a strong bond when they talked about how that dream world was nice but it wasn't real. 

Sara still basically has the personality traits of comic BC, she's one of the best hand to hand combat fighters and is a great leader of her own team of heroes. 

I kind of hate her white costume. Was Laurel trying to make her look bad when she gave it to her?

[Chaser]

3 minutes ago, Hiveminder said:

I kind of hate her white costume. Was Laurel trying to make her look bad when she gave it to her?

Yes.

[insomniadreams88]

If Sara does decide to be BC, say to honor her sister after the vision in the finale, it would really be an example of the teams-must-not-talk-when-it's-not-crossover-time shield that seems to be around these shows. Imagine if Tinah sticks around on Arrow and becomes BC officially and then it comes time for next year's crossover and Sara and Tinah meet. "Hi, I'm the Black Canary." "Uh...." 

[Proteus]

I'm one Sara fan who doesn't care about her becoming BC again. It just doesn't matter to me whether she's Black or White.

[tv echo]

More from Flarrow panel at HVFF-Chicago this morning...

Edited March 26, 2017 by tv echo

[tv echo]

[BkWurm1]

The fun that Neil and John are having just blasts onto the screen.  Rehabbed both of their characters for me.

 

 

1 minute ago, tv echo said:

Ha!  Sounds like she gets beat up.  Hope she's allowed to get in a few licks of her own.  Also sounds like confirmation that Felicity's character will be a masked hero not another villain.  

Edited March 26, 2017 by BkWurm1