GH History Lessons: Because History is Always Repeating Itself

[ulkis]

Maybe? I feel like I remember him strutting into an ELQ meeting. I know Jax had control at one point

He definitely did, but I can't remember when/how he lost it.

[jsbt]

I can't remember how Sonny lost his shares, either. I also remember him having a portion of the company back in the day, which is profane.

[nilyank]

 

I can't remember how Sonny lost his shares, either. I also remember him having a portion of the company back in the day, which is profane.

 

Jason sold his shares to Sonny. It was around the time that Lily's father "died" and left Sonny a bunch of illegal money to him. If I remember correctly Sonny used the money to fund the Stone Cates AIDS wing at GH. So to protect Sonny from possible prosecution for the illegal money, Jason cleaned the money by selling shares of ELQ to Sonny.

 

Sonny was kicked off the ELQ board when Skye made a big play to get rid of the outsiders (non-Qs) out of ELQ. I always thought Sonny lost his voting rights not the actual shares but the show never went back to it. Once Sonny was removed from ELQ, the show stopped showing those board meetings which used to meet regularly on the show.

[Ambrosefolly]

Jason sold his shares to Sonny. It was around the time that Lily's father "died" and left Sonny a bunch of illegal money to him. If I remember correctly Sonny used the money to fund the Stone Cates AIDS wing at GH. So to protect Sonny from possible prosecution for the illegal money, Jason cleaned the money by selling shares of ELQ to Sonny.

 

Sonny was kicked off the ELQ board when Skye made a big play to get rid of the outsiders (non-Qs) out of ELQ. I always thought Sonny lost his voting rights not the actual shares but the show never went back to it. Once Sonny was removed from ELQ, the show stopped showing those board meetings which used to meet regularly on the show.

Did that son of a bitch (and I do mean Susan Moore) ever apologize for that fucking stunt?  I am guessing no and that self righteous asshat thought what he did was fine and dandy and to let that fucking pig let the Qs twist in the wind when he needed to feel better about himself. The only time I ever saw him apologize is when he got one of family members killed (Emily, Justus). 

[Harmony233]

I liked Susan more than Jason lol.IA Jason never cared about the quartermaines until one was dead.

[UYI]

This scene is only slightly better knowing that AJ was still alive in retrospect:

 

[Lobsel Vith]

Didn't Sonny once own ELQ stock? What happened to that.

It moved around a bit (Sonny gave Jason some shares during the never-ending baby Michael debacle, and Jason gave his to Michael before he left the first time), but I believe Michael owns those shares now.

[UYI]

Bobbie's scenes right after Michael was shot in 2008:

 

[Ambrosefolly]

This show is really missing a straight-up bad girl among the younger set.  Lulu, Maxie, Kristina, Kiki, even Valerie are written and portrayed as heroines, if in slightly different shades.

I deeply fear the show will turn Serena into the "bad girl", because Scotty and Lucy are some of the few characters that actually parent their children, I don't care if Scotty and Lucy can be jerks sometimes. Unlike Tracy, Luke, Felecia (hate to say it), Edward, Ned (who it seems rarely saw Brook Lynne), Carly, Sonny, Jason, Ric, Liz (at least she stays under the same roof as her kids), Nik, Ava, etc., at least they made more of an effort to keep their personality disorders in check, and act like adults in general while Serena was growing up.

 

Dominique was arguably a better parent than Luke, because she made sure to let Serena know that she was deeply loved by her and made sure she was cared for because she was dying, unlike Luke who just dumped Lulu on Leslie because kid Lulu didn't fit into his rogue lifestyle and his fucking darkness until she got cool enough to hang out with.

 

I wished that Laura would have taken Luke to task after she woke up because he had saddled Leslie, who had been imprisoned by the Cassadines only a few years ago, with caring for Lulu, even though he was physically able to himself.

Edited April 17, 2016 by Ambrosefolly

[Chairperson Meow]

I think Christina (Lucy and Kevin's daughter) should be the bad girl. Bio parents are a serial killer and sexy rascal doc Chris Ramsay. She actually had Ian Thornhart as a stepfather and has seen Kevin and Lucy's various screwups. Serena was with Scotty. She should be in the Morgan/Kiki age set. Serena in the Michael group.

[Oracle42]

Insomnia driven youtube rabbithole - I'd forgotten how much I genuinely liked Sonny/Carly with SBr in the role.

 

There was a scene before Jason left to take care of bidness in Puerto Rico and Sonny was holding Micheal and he did the same "say bye bye" thing that Sam did with Danny before the Dock n Roll - I wonder if that was intentional 

[Harmony233]

I doubt will ever see Serena but I could totally see them making her a bad girl .Truthfully always been afraid there going to change Serena's childhood.I do have to say that even under Guza they made it seem like Serena and Scotty were close.

[TeeVee329]

I think Christina (Lucy and Kevin's daughter) should be the bad girl. Bio parents are a serial killer and sexy rascal doc Chris Ramsay. She actually had Ian Thornhart as a stepfather and has seen Kevin and Lucy's various screwups. Serena was with Scotty. She should be in the Morgan/Kiki age set. Serena in the Michael group.

 

Christina's biological father is actually Frank Scanlon, who was a paramedic, dated Karen Wexler, and then...was possessed with some kind of demon or something?  Oh "Port Charles", you drunk!

[Ambrosefolly]

I think Christina (Lucy and Kevin's daughter) should be the bad girl. Bio parents are a serial killer and sexy rascal doc Chris Ramsay. She actually had Ian Thornhart as a stepfather and has seen Kevin and Lucy's various screwups. Serena was with Scotty. She should be in the Morgan/Kiki age set. Serena in the Michael group.

Chris Ramsey was not her bio father. Frank Scalon(sp?) was...and he got pretty unstable, but for his childhood, teens and early adulthood, he was overly responsible and sacrificial, which caused him to resent his life later on. Julie was pretty normal and ambitious until Greg Cooper brain washed her, and she didn't commit any of the murders, only Greg. 

 

Ian was never officially her step father, and it seemed as soon as Port Charles wrapped up, he and Lucy parted ways and Kevin and Lucy got back together, at the most 5 years old. And it also sounded like Kevin took care of her when Lucy started believing in vampires.

 

Who cares about what about the bio parents? Julie died when she was 3 years and she never grew up with Frank and Chris parenting her. 

 

Scotty was actually Christina's father. He adopted her and when she was kidnapped spent tons of money looking for her. The only reason he agreed to step aside (or let Kevin be the "house dad") was because she was so young when she returned and needed some stability. As a fellow adoptee, I think if things got so bad, he would step in, and if some of what happen to Kevin near the end of Port Charles and Lucy believing in vampires became part of canon on GH, Scotty would step in, especially if Serena, who was always her adopted sister, demanded it. 

[KerleyQ]

If either Serena or Christina shows up in town, they had better adore Scott.  I don't want to see his girls in town with some grudge against him.  I want to see him have some grown kids he gets to have a good relationship with, who don't die 5 minutes after they hit town.  (Nope, show, I don't count Franco, sorry.) 

[TeeVee329]

Yeah, agreed, particularly in Serena's case.  Unlike most of his other children, Scotty has been a parent to Serena since day one.

[Tiger]

Christina's biological father is actually Frank Scanlon, who was a paramedic, dated Karen Wexler, and then...was possessed with some kind of demon or something? Oh "Port Charles", you drunk!

Didn't Ron excise everything that happened on "Port Charles" from continuity, or just the vampire stuff?

[KerleyQ]

Didn't Ron excise everything that happened on "Port Charles" from continuity, or just the vampire stuff?

 

Mostly the vampire stuff.  He turned it into some delusional episode on Lucy's part.  

[TeeVee329]

If they were to introduce Christina, it'd be best to keep it as simple as possible - she was adopted by Lucy and Scotty, Kevin was her (step)dad during most of her childhood, done.

[Lobsel Vith]

Didn't Ron excise everything that happened on "Port Charles" from continuity, or just the vampire stuff?

The end with the ring and "Caleb" did elude to the possibility it may have been real, but it was an awful story regardless.

[Harmony233]

Yeah, agreed, particularly in Serena's case.  Unlike most of his other children, Scotty has been a parent to Serena since day one.

Yeah I would have really hated them having Serena hate Scotty ecspecially considering how close they was when she was a kid.Despite his many flaws and shitty behavior he was a pretty good father to Serena.I mean he had the guts to do what none of these mobsters can do and that's put his daughters safety first and leave town and took care of her all by himself for the first few years of her life.

Mostly the vampire stuff.  He turned it into some delusional episode on Lucy's part.

That stuff always confused me.I couldn't figure out what was real and what wasn't lol.I mean livie wasn't real but she was around before the vampires stuff.

[Chairperson Meow]

If they were to introduce Christina, it'd be best to keep it as simple as possible - she was adopted by Lucy and Scotty, Kevin was her (step)dad during most of her childhood, done.

They should just have it that Kevin and Lucy adopted her and she knows Scotty, as he's Serena's father. During Port Charles, I remember Kevin being really involved with Christina. Honestly, they could retcon Dr Chris Ramsay as the bio dad and bring him to GH because he was involved with Julie a lot, and the actor should be done with PLL soon (next season is the last and he's rarely on). Then, we have another doctor, a great actor, and two non Corinthii 20s females for that set.

[jsbt]

Nolan North is extremely active working in video games as a famous voice actor/motion capture performer and has not spoken kindly of his time in soaps. I don't think he'll be back.

[Ambrosefolly]

No, sorry. I know it makes me a real purist, but I really need the history of Port Charles to be honored, especially before the entire show went into the shi...er, went insane. The reason that Lucy and Scotty divorced was over Christina's kidnapping. Besides,I always liked the idea of Scotty coming full circle becoming an adoptive father with Christina.

Until we get competent people to write and produce GH (which it looks like never, or the show won't last long enough to bring on show runners that really care about GH being a success), I think no legacies shouldn't be brought on, especially from different soap operas, considering what FV allowed to happen with Port Charles (Rafe and Allison), One Life to Live and Ryan's Hope.

[Tiger]

considering what FV allowed to happen with Port Charles (Rafe and Allison),

Ah yes, who can forget Allison living life on the run with a perfect french manicure, and then her son turning into a bedazzled coke-head?

Seriously, if anyone has forgotten, how did you do it? There a quite a few characters and stories i'd like to permanantly expunge from my memory.

Edited April 17, 2016 by Tiger

[Chairperson Meow]

Ah yes, who can forget Allison living life on the run with a perfect french manicure, and then her son turning into a bedazzled coke-head?

Seriously, if anyone has forgotten, how did you do it? There a quite a few characters and stories i'd like to permanantly expunge from my memory.

I've been studying for some placement tests. Also, I guess stuff just melds together?

I had to actually go watch some Port Charles on you tube. I forgot Kin was on PC. Christina was named after Chris Ramsay, so I knew there was something to do with her birth and him, but Frank is her father. With the Karen Wexler connection, I'd rather see him come to GH, recast or not. Christina should be aged 17, but could be SORAS'D to 21.Since she considers Kevin her father (or did on PC at age 3 or 4) , she'd have more conflict with Scotty imo and probably Lucy too. Honestly, I'd rather see Christina and Serena Baldwin than Kristina Corinthos now. They really don't have to bring up much of Christina's background. She was adopted, she was kidnapped, she was raised with Kevin as her father, she lives in Paris with Serena.

[dubbel zout]

The way the show uses history—as a crutch, so the audience fills in the blanks and the show doesn't have to write anything meaningful that relates to characters—I don't really care if Christina and/or Serena show up. Their Baldwin connection will matter as much as Valerie's Spencer connection does—i.e., not a whit.

[Harmony233]

The only thing I Remeber about the Christina kidnapping was Lucy and Scotty arguing and Serena overhearing them and screaming at Lucy she wasn't her mother and Scotty spending millions of dollars to find the kid.Eventually that made them decide to divorce.

on the bright side I just watched some good Lee and Scotty scenes in 1999 on port Charles where Lee almost died and the actress who played Gail was good.

Edited April 17, 2016 by Harmony233

[tvgoddess]

They've been talking about bringing on these characters for years now. I still don't believe they're anywhere near showing up. Their parents are hardly even ever seen.

[Harmony233]

I don't they ever show up either although I feel there's more of a chance for Christina than Serena at this point.

[TeeVee329]

Oh seeing Serena and/or Christina is definitely just wishful thinking at this point.  But I do think Serena would be the more likely of the two.  She's the one who gets name-checked from time to time and you wouldn't really need to explain to GH viewers who she is, unlike Christina.

[bubble sparkly]

I have been doing a complete Scrubs watch and there is a random plot point from 2011 that is really bugging me:

 

 

Patrick wants to get back on the surgical rotation after Robin becomes COS and puts him on tonsil duty, so he tries to trick her into a rigged bet but she outplays him.  For the next 3 or more months there are repeated references to Robin considering cashing in and the "thing" Patrick puts up for collateral, but the "thing" is kept as a big mystery.  Then Robin's HIV/unstable viral load story starts and the bet doesn't seem to be mentioned any more.

 

Am I not seeing the scenes where this bet story concluded or did it just get dropped?  I know it's pretty minor in the scheme of things, but after dragging it out for 3+ months I just wanted to know what (presumably) embarrassing thing Patrick was going to have to do!

[HeatLifer]

I'm pretty sure we never got to see what crazy thing Robin made Patrick do. Right after that, they had to deal with Lisa again and then Robin's HIV stuff, like you said.

But, OMG, that clip. Pip walking in with Patrick's hand on Robin's ass will never not be hilarious. And Robin's FACE as Patrick feeds her that hospital crap. Priceless.

[Tiger]

Let's see that was July 2011, so I'm sure Wolfe would have gotten to it about now, ya know right after his four-year "Lady in White" epic.

Edited April 21, 2016 by Tiger

[Lobsel Vith]

Let's see that was July 2011, so I'm sure Wolfe would have gotten to it about now, ya know right after his four-year "Lady in White" epic.

I can't believe NP lamented that story getting cut short, or saying it was the only time he was written for - as if the abuse storyline didn't go out of its way to vilify the abuse victim in order to prop him after the worthless Luke/Holly debacle.

[dubbel zout]

The only reason I can think of for him hating the end of the story is that he lost a story that was all about Ethan. He was finally a lead.

[ulkis]

Some Michael/Jason talk makes me wonder why, if Guza hated AJ so much and wanted Jason to be the dad why not just make up a fake flashback of Carly having sex with Jason, the bartender, anyone, after she left AJ, whatever. He just worked SO HARD to make AJ not his dad, why not just actually do it in the end?

Edited April 22, 2016 by ulkis

[HeatLifer]

Some Michael/Jason talk makes me wonder why, if Guza hated AJ so much and wanted Jason to be the dad why not just make up a fake flashback of Carly having sex afte she left AJ, whatever. He just worked SO HARD to make AJ not his das, why not just actually do it in the end?

This AND why did every writer hate AJ? Why was alcoholism worse than the mob?

[ulkis]

This AND why did every writer hate AJ? Why was alcoholism worse than the mob?

I think with Guza, the combo of BW being a vastly different recast and his extreme love of Jason/Sonny just made it easy to make AJ a convenient foible. But it's odd, cause I don't think he disliked Warlock and yet he turned AJ so pathetic. He never even took Alexis that far, even with Dobson, and I'm pretty sure NLG annoyed him.

[HeatLifer]

I think with Guza, the combo of BW being a vastly different recast and his extreme love of Jason/Sonny just made it easy to make AJ a convenient foible. But it's odd, cause I don't think he disliked Warlock and yet he turned AJ so pathetic. He never even took Alexis that far, even with Dobson, and I'm pretty sure NLG annoyed him.

Yeah, that's always the best point: the love for Sonny/Jason. And you're right that AJ was made pathetic, especially with Courtney and then the plot to kidnap Michael. But here's the other question I have. Jason did later regret keeping AJ from Michael. I think in 2007, right? And then he regretted everything again when Michael was shot (and Robin finally got her beautiful apology.) Jason never would have been OK with Sonny killing AJ. I still can't believe the writers went there.

[ulkis]

Yeah. It was an eff you to both Maurice Benard and Sean Kanan imo. Obviously a worse one to SK but I felt like they were trying to show MB they could very easily write him out come contract time.

[Oracle42]

Some Michael/Jason talk makes me wonder why, if Guza hated AJ so much and wanted Jason to be the dad why not just make up a fake flashback of Carly having sex afte she left AJ, whatever. He just worked SO HARD to make AJ not his dad, why not just actually do it in the end?

 

I don't think Guza wanted to saddle his hitman with a baby long-term. Babies aren't badass

Edited April 22, 2016 by Oracle42

[HeatLifer]

Yeah. It was an eff you to both Maurice Benard and Sean Kanan imo. Obviously a worse one to SK but I felt like they were trying to show MB they could very easily write him out come contract time.

I actually do tend to believe that theory, especially bc of the way Mo spoke about Ron.

It's just unfortunate bc these types of story choices shit on ALL the characters. No character would be OK with AJ's murder.

[bubble sparkly]

 

 

I'm pretty sure we never got to see what crazy thing Robin made Patrick do. Right after that, they had to deal with Lisa.

 

Thanks.  I was hoping I had just skipped the resolution but alas it shall forever remain a mystery.  Lisa ruins everything!  I don't understand why she stuck around sooooo long.  She should have been killed off after she threw Robin in the well.  It was bad enough waiting for her to be gone when I was binging YT clips, I can't imagine having to deal with that in real time.

But, OMG, that clip. Pip walking in with Patrick's hand on Robin's ass will never not be hilarious. And Robin's FACE as Patrick feeds her that hospital crap. Priceless.

 

I also loved Epiphany shoving some sheets at Patrick and telling him to change the bed heh.

[dubbel zout]

I think the point of having Michael be AJ's was to have Carly bouncing between two brothers—a classic soap trope—and at the time, it set up years of story. It wasn't served all that well throughout the years, as Guza did his own damage just as Ron did.

[HeatLifer]

Thanks. I was hoping I had just skipped the resolution but alas it shall forever remain a mystery. Lisa ruins everything! I don't understand why she stuck around sooooo long. She should have been killed off after she threw Robin in the well. It was bad enough waiting for her to be gone when I was binging YT clips, I can't imagine having to deal with that in real time.

I also loved Epiphany shoving some sheets at Patrick and telling him to change the bed heh.

It's so odd bc as much as the Lisa nonsense was freaking annoying and dragged on way too long, I loooooved so much of the Patrick/Robin stuff during that time. JT/KMc just killed that material.

Pip's reaction to Scrubs was always epic, I swear. Never got old to me.

[ulkis]

Flashback Friday . . . actually a backstage photo, but I miss these two in scene together

 

https://twitter.com/finolahughes/status/480039641530130432

[UYI]

I think with Guza, the combo of BW being a vastly different recast and his extreme love of Jason/Sonny just made it easy to make AJ a convenient foible. But it's odd, cause I don't think he disliked Warlock and yet he turned AJ so pathetic. He never even took Alexis that far, even with Dobson, and I'm pretty sure NLG annoyed him.

 

For all of her flaws, I give Megan McTavish credit for at least treating AJ like more of a human being, giving him an ally in Skye, and even giving him a love interest! Guza would NEVER. 

Edited April 22, 2016 by UYI

[ulkis]

Didn't she turn it around eventually though? Or was that Guza. Cause I was going to mention her last night but then I thought, but then AJ started stalking Courtney.

[UYI]

Didn't she turn it around eventually though? Or was that Guza. Cause I was going to mention her last night but then I thought, but then AJ started stalking Courtney.

 

Neither. It was Pruza. :P

 

Seriously, though, I'm not totally sure, I figured she wouldn't go there, but maybe she did. I find Pratt & Guza more likely, though.