S01.E09: Before Tequila Sunrise

[Lady Calypso]

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Jane, Sutton, Alex, Pinstripe and Jacqueline are all trapped in the Scarlet offices due to a massive traffic jam. Forced to spend time together, Jane reexamines her feelings for Pinstripe. Sutton makes a surprising move.  And when she learns Adena is leaving New York, Kat makes an impulsive decision.

[Mabinogia]

Newsflash: Kat makes an impulsive decision!!!! Has she ever made a decision that was not impulsive?

Edited August 29, 2017 by Mabinogia

[dubbel zout]

Pinstripe was laid off, not fired. There is a difference.

Somehow I don't think Customs would let Adena just wander around the international terminal at the airport. And I'm not sure the first class club would appreciate Adena and Kat being it up on one of their loungers.

[Bubbles]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Somehow I don't think Customs would let Adena just wander around the international terminal at the airport. And I'm not sure the first class club would appreciate Adena and Kat being it up on one of their loungers.

No kidding. She'd be detained until boarding and then escorted to the plane. They don't operate on the honour system. 

I wasn't expecting Jane to accept the other job, but I still doubt she'll actually go through with it. 

The drunk fashion show was fun. I'm not really into Sutton's love triangle though. 

[twoods]

I was expecting Kat to be impulsive and go with Adena. Glad she didn't. And seriously, having sex in an airport lounger? Come on, show.

Jane took the job- another shocker. I'm sure she won't go through with it next week. I did like Pinstripe coming back. She's not as annoying when she's with him.

What I didn't like was the dreaded triangle. Poor Alex- it's obvious Sutton is still in love with Richard and he's going to be heartbroken. They were so good together as friends and now it's going to be weird.

Edited August 30, 2017 by twoods

[GaT]

Does the fact that I don't care about Adena & her problems at all make me a bad person?

[funkopop]

Another great episode!  The Scarlet after hours scenes were so much fun.  I actually really enjoyed Pinstripe and I had no feelings towards him before, Kadena was great as well.  The press leading up to this episode really made it seem like it was going to be scathing commentary regarding the Muslim ban but like everything they treated it with an extremely light touch.  Overall this is a great fluffy show.  Cross fingers for a Season 2!!!

[dubbel zout]

Adena wasn't denied entry because she's Muslim, she was denied entry for visa reasons. She thought it wouldn't matter that her work visa hadn't been extended and she could enter as a tourist (I guess?), and that's what flagged her.

[funkopop]

4 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Adena wasn't denied entry because she's Muslim, she was denied entry for visa reasons. She thought it wouldn't matter that her work visa hadn't been extended and she could enter as a tourist (I guess?), and that's what flagged her.

Thanks for clearing that up, did they mention anything on why she was being sent "home" instead of just back to France? 

[dubbel zout]

I don't think a reason was given for why she wasn't going back to Paris, but it's not a stretch to think it's also due to her visa.

[luckyroll3]

2 hours ago, funkopop said:

Thanks for clearing that up, did they mention anything on why she was being sent "home" instead of just back to France? 

I believe she said something about not having an official place of residence in France and that's why she was being sent home.

[morakot]

Immigration (controlling entry of people) would have stopped Adena not Customs (controlling entry of goods) -- unless her suitcase was entirely made of pot and filled with heroin.

[funkopop]

44 minutes ago, morakot said:

Immigration (controlling entry of people) would have stopped Adena not Customs (controlling entry of goods) -- unless her suitcase was entirely made of pot and filled with heroin.

Well she was smuggling sex toys in the pilot episode.  So could be possible. 

[dreamcatcher]

8 hours ago, funkopop said:

Another great episode!  The Scarlet after hours scenes were so much fun.  I actually really enjoyed Pinstripe and I had no feelings towards him before, Kadena was great as well.  The press leading up to this episode really made it seem like it was going to be scathing commentary regarding the Muslim ban but like everything they treated it with an extremely light touch.  Overall this is a great fluffy show.  Cross fingers for a Season 2!!!

I really liked Ryan's scenes. I know that this pairing is considered boring, but i think he's really good for her. I guess that was his exit though so I shouldn't get excited.

Sutton was once again the best in this episode. I don't really think she meant to do this, she seemed to regret it in the morning. Alex is good but I would much rather have a genuine friendship between a man and a woman.

[rho]

4 hours ago, dreamcatcher said:

I really liked Ryan's scenes. I know that this pairing is considered boring, but i think he's really good for her. I guess that was his exit though so I shouldn't get excited.

Oh man, up until now I didn't even realize Pinstripe had a name? But he grew on me, especially in this episode so it's sad to see him go :(

Side note, why did they lay him off? I thought he was like the rising star of Pinstripe. 

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Sutton was once again the best in this episode. I don't really think she meant to do this, she seemed to regret it in the morning. Alex is good but I would much rather have a genuine friendship between a man and a woman.

Yeah, I like them as friends. I wish there was more depth to Alex though. We only ever see him as a plot device/resident straight guy at Scarlett. I thought he was more of Jane's frenemy at first then suddenly he's besties with Sutton.

[Misslindsey]

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Sutton was once again the best in this episode. I don't really think she meant to do this, she seemed to regret it in the morning. Alex is good but I would much rather have a genuine friendship between a man and a woman.

I prefer them as friends too. I would have rather had a genuine friendship between them as well. I thought in the pilot episode that they were setting it up to look like Alex had a thing for Jane. I was wrong though. I liked Sutton and Richard, so I was dreading the inevitable love triangle when Alex and Sutton were interacting in previous episodes. 

[Mabinogia]

I like Ryan better than Jane so I'd be fine if she went to that other magazine and Jac hires Ryan to replace her. 

I don't know what they are doing with Sutton and Alex. Way to ruin a good male/female friendship. But also, I prefer them to her and Richard. I'm so over Richard. I kind of wish Richard had been Jane's love interest and Ryan Suttons. Then I could more easily skip over Richard and Jane. Plus, Dick and Jane! LMAO

I definitely prefer Kat when she's not at work. She's just distractingly bad at her job that it bothers me, but otherwise I adore her. 

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, rho said:

Side note, why did they lay him off? I thought he was like the rising star of Pinstripe.

When cuts were supposed to happen at Scarlet, Jacqueline talked about making some tough choices. I assume it was similar with the other magazines in the company. Pinstripe was just unlucky. And if he's that good, he should find something else pretty quickly.

[dreamcatcher]

5 hours ago, rho said:

Oh man, up until now I didn't even realize Pinstripe had a name? But he grew on me, especially in this episode so it's sad to see him go :(

Side note, why did they lay him off? I thought he was like the rising star of Pinstripe. 

Yeah, I like them as friends. I wish there was more depth to Alex though. We only ever see him as a plot device/resident straight guy at Scarlett. I thought he was more of Jane's frenemy at first then suddenly he's besties with Sutton.

They made it seem like his column was always no.1 so they are just doing whatever makes the plot move forward. I do hope they find a way to bring him back if the show gets renewed.

5 hours ago, Misslindsey said:

I prefer them as friends too. I would have rather had a genuine friendship between them as well. I thought in the pilot episode that they were setting it up to look like Alex had a thing for Jane. I was wrong though. I liked Sutton and Richard, so I was dreading the inevitable love triangle when Alex and Sutton were interacting in previous episodes. 

In the pilot Alex was definitely set up as a possible love interest, but also Jac was more feared than loved and ep.2 she became like a fairy godmother so I guess they changed their minds about a lot!

[Cassandre]

I think it's wrong that Kat had sex with Adena and then just let her go the next day. It sounds awful. I wish she hadn't told her she would go with her. If Kat was a guy people would say that she had what she wanted and then just decided to let her go alone. I know it's not like that but I hate this timing. I wish their first time would have happened later. 

I didn't know Pintsripe's name was Ryan too.  I mean I heard it before, but that was really funny to actually  realise that. 

[Mabinogia]

I'm not entirely sure I Get what Adena sees in Kat, other than she's beautiful. Because OMG Kat is the single must unreliable person on the face of the earth. I wonder if Adena actually thought Kat would go with her because Kat's history shows that she was going to wimp out at the last minute. I think she likes her sheltered little life where she can drop $11,000 (Did I really hear that right? That first class ticket cost $11,000?!?!?! Because $1100 would have been a lot in my mind!) on a ticket she's not going to use just so she can go hang with her girlfriend.

Hell, I want to be Kat! She is gorgeous, has ridiculous disposable income apparently, has her own apartment in Manhattan!, doesn't have to do jack shit at her job and can screw up repeatedly and still managed to get a free pass during downsizing. Damn, talk about a charmed life.

What, exactly, is Jane's attraction to Scarlet? If she wants to be taken more seriously as a writer she should have jumped at this other opportunity. Is it just because her friends are there? Does she love fashion more than I thought she does? Is it just because Jac treats her like a special little snowflake? I could see Kat wanting to stay because girl is NEVER going to get another job where she doesn't have to work and screws up everything she does, and Sutton lives for fashion so totally makes sense.

My prediction is that Jane will give up her new job for Pinstripe and stay at Scarlet because, duh, we all know she's not leaving.

[dubbel zout]

48 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

That first class ticket cost $11,000?!?!?!

There was some talk about using her parents' miles, but I wasn't paying super close attention. Given that it was a last-minute first-class ticket, $11,000 doesn't sound too outrageous to me. In that context, I mean.

[funkopop]

1 hour ago, Cassandre said:

I think it's wrong that Kat had sex with Adena and then just let her go the next day. It sounds awful. I wish she hadn't told her she would go with her. If Kat was a guy people would say that she had what she wanted and then just decided to let her go alone. I know it's not like that but I hate this timing. I wish their first time would have happened later. 

I didn't know Pintsripe's name was Ryan too.  I mean I heard it before, but that was really funny to actually  realise that. 

Speaking of, Kat really got over her hang up over sex with a woman.  I mean from nope can't do it to let me stick my hand down your pants in the middle of an airport over the course of a couple of months.  Way to Kat, Kat!!

Edited August 31, 2017 by funkopop

[dreamcatcher]

38 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

There was some talk about using her parents' miles, but I wasn't paying super close attention. Given that it was a last-minute first-class ticket, $11,000 doesn't sound too outrageous to me. In that context, I mean.

Yes at least they tried to explain this, although they didn't have to include this to begin with. I love the show in general, but they really aren't giving Kat any depth. She got a position as a director with two years of work experience, we see her defying her seniors and make mistakes and gets a promotion, has an insane disposable income that two shrinks couldn't possibly have to spare... Jane is also a bit inconsistent as a character. I think that's why Sutton is getting so popular; she is the only one who has a solid background that explains her personality, she has her realistic struggles and she's just so damn relatable.

[Cassandre]

So last week Jane got almost fired and today she feels like Scarlet is too safe for her.... and that she has to go for the thing that scares her the most. But a week ago she was afraid of the layoffs.

[Jillybean]

On 8/30/2017 at 7:33 PM, rho said:

Oh man, up until now I didn't even realize Pinstripe had a name?

Calling him Pinstripe seems to me like a blatant ripoff of "Big" from SATC.

22 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

Hell, I want to be Kat! She is gorgeous, has ridiculous disposable income apparently, has her own apartment in Manhattan!, doesn't have to do jack shit at her job and can screw up repeatedly and still managed to get a free pass during downsizing. Damn, talk about a charmed life.

Mileage varies...I don't think she's at all pretty. But yeah, her character is wholly unrealistic and the thought that she would run off with Adena was so effing stupid. She sure did make the leap from avowed heterosexual to sexytimes with Adena with barely the blink of an eye. I find her character silly, self-absorbed, and unlikeable. I can tell we are supposed to think she is a badass, but it's not working.

Anyone else annoyed by the random British accented voice that narrates the scenes from the previous week?

Edited September 1, 2017 by Jillybean

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, Cassandre said:

So last week Jane got almost fired and today she feels like Scarlet is too safe for her.... and that she has to go for the thing that scares her the most. But a week ago she was afraid of the layoffs.

I don't thing those things are mutually exclusive. Jane was afraid of the layoffs before she got the call from that website. Knowing her job at Scarlett was secure gave her some confidence to think about leaving, and then Jacqueline gave her the pep talk from her own experience of taking over Scarlett. "Doing something that scares you" isn't new advice by any stretch, and at Jane's level, bouncing around a bit is entirely expected.

9 minutes ago, Jillybean said:

Anyone else annoyed by the random British accented voice that narrates the scenes from the previous week?

I tell myself that's either Joanna Coles herself (who's British) or it's a tiny in-joke.

[Mabinogia]

1 hour ago, Jillybean said:

Anyone else annoyed by the random British accented voice that narrates the scenes from the previous week?

Everytime I hear it I'm like WTF is this about? I'm guessing it Is or is meant to be Joanna Coles, but it seems so misplaced.

 

1 hour ago, Jillybean said:

But yeah, her character is wholly unrealistic and the thought that she would run off with Adena was so effing stupid.

The ultimate professional, that one. I mean, was she planning on quitting her job? Or asking for a leave of absence AFTER she left. She has absolutely no sense of responsibility. I hope they're not going for badass because, yeah, epic fail there. Honestly I don't find any of the main three girls all that badass or empowering. Maybe Sutton, in that she does seem to have to fight for what she wants. The other two come across more as entitled little brats.

I do like their solid friendship but individually, they aren't all that great. Sutton is the best because she seems to take her job more seriously than the other two and doesn't get all pouty when she isn't handed everything she wants.

I think it may have been a mistake to make Jane's boss so mentory. It takes away Jane's struggle and reduces her story. Sure she wants to stay where her boss coddles her and bends over backwards to make her do her job. It doesn't help that her other option is another boss who seems like she's going to fawn over everything Jane writes. I just haven't seen any reason to think Jane's that special.

[politichick]

On 8/29/2017 at 11:12 PM, Bubbles said:

No kidding. She'd be detained until boarding and then escorted to the plane. They don't operate on the honour system. 

I wasn't expecting Jane to accept the other job, but I still doubt she'll actually go through with it. 

The drunk fashion show was fun. I'm not really into Sutton's love triangle though. 

LOL to the honor system.

Like many of you, I think Kat is a very silly girl. Sutton is definitely my fave. Hopefully she and Alex can repair/preserve their friendship.

[funkopop]

Funnily enough, the initial spec for the show was going to revolve around Alex and his POV of being a man working at a women's magazine. 

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, Mabinogia said:

I think it may have been a mistake to make Jane's boss so mentory. It takes away Jane's struggle and reduces her story.

I know. It's one of the things I dislike most about the show. I wish Jacqueline would be tougher with all of them, and force some real accountability on them. Or at least show her being really, really crabby because her kid threw up on her two seconds before walking out the door and she had to change clothes, which made her late for the board meeting, which made her forget her notes in her office, etc. And have her not apologize for giving Jane another sex quiz to write. Anything that shows she's human and not some Mary Sue boss.

[funkopop]

Yeah, Jacqueline was clearly written this way to combat the bitchy boss trope (and massage Joanna Coles' ego) but she could be a bit tougher on the main 3. I think last week she was kind of flippant with Alex when he was trying to gauge her reaction to him possibly going over to Incite and she has snaps at Andrew so she isn't totally perfect. She obviously has her favorites.

[KaveDweller]

On 8/31/2017 at 0:08 PM, Mabinogia said:

What, exactly, is Jane's attraction to Scarlet? If she wants to be taken more seriously as a writer she should have jumped at this other opportunity. Is it just because her friends are there? Does she love fashion more than I thought she does? Is it just because Jac treats her like a special little snowflake? I could see Kat wanting to stay because girl is NEVER going to get another job where she doesn't have to work and screws up everything she does, and Sutton lives for fashion so totally makes sense.

I think it was the first episode where they gave the backstory that Jane grew up with a father and all brothers, so she always turned to Scarlet to help with female stuff. And because it was so important to her as a kid/teen she always dreamed of working there.

But without that, a fashion magazine seems like a horrible match for someone who wants to be a serious political writer. She gets annoyed with any assignment that seems typical of what you would expect in Scarlet.

[legxleg]

So did Kat just leave work for half a day and no one noticed? I kind of want her to go with Adena to Unknown Oppressive Middle Eastern Country (they mentioned Persian so...is it Iran? Why do they not just say that? It is driving me nuts) just to see how long it takes before anyone other than her bffs notices that she's gone.

[Mabinogia]

6 minutes ago, legxleg said:

So did Kat just leave work for half a day and no one noticed?

They were probably relieved she wasn't there tweeting every irrelevant thought that pops into her head or hanging around in the closet drinking with her besties. Really, she serves zero purpose at work. It's not at all surprising no one would notice. The only people would be Kat and Sutton who were cheering on her irresponsible behavior. 

Yep, you know when you're getting old when you expect TV characters with good jobs to actually do their fucking jobs. lol Now, get off my lawn!

Edited September 3, 2017 by Mabinogia

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

But without that, a fashion magazine seems like a horrible match for someone who wants to be a serious political writer.

I kind of disagree, though I get what you mean. I think Jane's problem is she doesn't quite understand that she can be a serious political writer for a fashion magazine, she just has to frame her stories in a way that works for Scarlett. Like the article on the woman who wore ugly clothes to distract from her actions. That was actually legit interesting (at least to me). Jane could write about the wage gap, health issues, environmental issues, etc. There are zillions of ideas. She needs to write them in a way it makes sense to publish in Scarlett.

Of course, if she's got her heart set on the policy-wonk side of things, she's definitely at the wrong magazine. But she seems to think that Scarlett in and of itself is an inadequate medium for her. She's a baby writer. Writing all kinds of stories will only strengthen her skills, and she'll be compiling a nice group of clips. You've got to walk before you can run, and Jane is a toddler right now. 

[KaveDweller]

37 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I kind of disagree, though I get what you mean. I think Jane's problem is she doesn't quite understand that she can be a serious political writer for a fashion magazine, she just has to frame her stories in a way that works for Scarlett. Like the article on the woman who wore ugly clothes to distract from her actions. That was actually legit interesting (at least to me). Jane could write about the wage gap, health issues, environmental issues, etc. There are zillions of ideas. She needs to write them in a way it makes sense to publish in Scarlett.

It seems like she doesn't want to though, which is why there seems to be such a contradiction in her character. But I guess they just want conflict. I'm just surprised that someone who just became a writer would have impressed some other site so much they tried to recruit her. 

I loved the article she did on the woman politician that wore ugly clothes as a distraction too. But it's just one article. There are tons of writers out there who have done a lot more, and like you said, Jane should want to write all sorts of stories to match up and grow as a writer.

Edited September 4, 2017 by KaveDweller

[morakot]

And then, with an $11,000 first class ticket that she's not going to use, Kat doesn't even offer her it to her true love -- or ask the flight attendant if Adena can be upgraded to her empty seat.

[Ericubong]

On 03/09/2017 at 10:36 PM, legxleg said:

So did Kat just leave work for half a day and no one noticed? I kind of want her to go with Adena to Unknown Oppressive Middle Eastern Country (they mentioned Persian so...is it Iran? Why do they not just say that? It is driving me nuts) just to see how long it takes before anyone other than her bffs notices that she's gone.

To be fair, all she does is tweet and Instagram all day. Shouldn't be too hard to do from anywhere around the world with internet.