S04.E04: From Here to Maternity

[OnceSane]

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Tensions settle down as everyone makes up in Florida; Jeremiah and Carmela meet with a specialist to see if they're able to have a baby; Mary throws Sabrina a baby shower; Sabrina goes into labor a month early.

[sainte-chapelle]

Run Carmella run! I am also becoming convinced they edit Rebecca to make her look bad. No Sabrina, Rebecca owes you nothing. Maybe Rebecca's kids will be taken away if they find out she's hanging out with a heroin addict. They are angry with Sabrina for a reason, likely due to events that occurred off camera.

Edited May 22, 2017 by sainte-chapelle

[CathyS]

yeah i agree about Rebecca's editing - for a lack of formal education, she sure exhibits quite a bit of natural intelligence and sense, and she expresses herself very well.  Her thought processes, and the words she uses in speaking, seem much more advanced than how she is being portrayed in the GED classes. That said, she and Abe are really hardline judgemental of Sabrina, and rigid about it to the point of cruelty. They probably don't even realize how 'Amish' they actually still are. They could ease up a bit; not to have their family 'be around' Sabrina, but be a little less hard-hearted. She may indeed be a trainwreck, and brought it all on herself, but they could at least express some basic human kindness towards her, wish her well, tell her they hope she's doing better - they don't have to be SO coldhearted.

Jeremiah is an enigma;  one moment I want to slap him for being an overgrown brat toddler who always HAS to be the center of attention, and if everyone is not paying attention to HIM, then it's the other person being 'selfish'. Um, no dude, YOU are the self-centered (and overbearing, bratty, ignorant) one. When R & A don't pay constant attention to him and his wife, here comes the whining and crying about being 'ignored'-?   wtf dude, are you, like, 10?   Big selfish baby.

but then you see him holding a real baby, and he's kind and gentle - being a decent friend to Sabrina, offering support no matter what she's done, cause they are 'family' and she has no one else -  and how he can be so thoughtful towards Mary  - and you wonder .... wtf is up with this guy??  LOL

Edited May 22, 2017 by CathyS

[CarolMK]

Ugh, Sabrina. I read that she was just arrested for drug possession and I assume it's not her first arrest. So has she definitely lost custody of both her kids now? Where is Oakley and where is the new baby? The report said that the kids were 3 and 5 1/2 months old. No wonder Abe and Rebecca don't want to be around her. I stayed up to watch the clip show about Sabrina and she mentioned that she lost Oakley because she was homeless and living with the toddler in her car. So it wasn't just an unsupervised visit with the father that caused her to lose Oakley. I guess she must have spent all of her TLC money on drugs.

This show is really becoming a train wreck. And with the exception of Mary, it appears that none of these people actually really like either other, other than the couples. And I'm not sure how much Carmela likes Jeremiah at this point. He too was arrested recently for domestic abuse and I think I read something about a restraining order. TLC needs to cancel this mess after this season. I do wonder how the ratings are for it. 

[Willowsmom]

The homeless thing was how Sabrina lost Oakley the first time . The unsupervised visit/dead friend was the second time. It has to be pretty bad to have parental rights terminated.

[sainte-chapelle]

I understand it seeming hard hearted and a little reflective of shunning but Sabrina was recently arrested again, proving there is more to the story. As for Jeremiah, he cruelly makes fun of Rebecca wanting to get an education yet finds Sabrina's behaviour easily forgivable. I think it's less about Sabrina and more about making Rebecca uncomfortable. He is a wife beater who detests strong women.

[JocelynCavanaugh]

One of my "favorite" parts of this episode was when Jeremiah and the others were smugly proclaiming that while they may have issues with Sabrina, they're "not gonna take it out on the baby," and they're gonna go see that baby anyway. Because a newborn is keeping score of who visits her? What difference does it make? Will she remember any of these losers she was around for a week or two before being placed into a real family who hopefully has their shit together? They choose the oddest things to take a stand on. 

Sabrina looks and sounds like hell. She needs serious, long-term treatment and needs to be willing to really accept it and work on her recovery. Then after that, voice coaching, because vocal fry + the southeastern PA accent is an auditory nightmare. 

[Evil Queen]

2 hours ago, sainte-chapelle said:

I understand it seeming hard hearted and a little reflective of shunning but Sabrina was recently arrested again, proving there is more to the story. As for Jeremiah, he cruelly makes fun of Rebecca wanting to get an education yet finds Sabrina's behaviour easily forgivable. I think it's less about Sabrina and more about making Rebecca uncomfortable. He is a wife beater who detests strong women.

Agree with all this. Its not hard or cold hearted. Abe and Rebecca tried at one point to help Sabrina and got burned. They have been there and done it all before with his brother and sister in law. With having a family one doesn't want that around. I have said it before that I get it. I probably am thought of as well as cold hearted because I want nothing to do with my sister and she is not welcome around my family. Yet she has been arrested for drugs in the past (mommy bailed her out of it all) and nothing has changed in all the years. She has issues with drugs and alcohol. Her and our mom both are not nice people. I will never have my kids around them. Yet they will gladly tell others how I am horrible. Its just like how Sabrina behaves too. The whole boo hoo they won't talk to me, do things for me, blah blah blah. There are reasons behind it but these kind of people never take responsibility for the behaviors of their's that led up to being shut out of the lives of others. There is obviously so much more that has gone on that we have no clue about as well. Things bad enough to cause a court to terminate Sabrina's parental rights to Oakley and possibly her other one as well. Hell the girl was arrested recently for drugs. 

 

Jeremiah is a horrible woman abuser. He has a history of it. I am surprised they don't tell him to get out of their lives. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't around their family outside of this show. Its obvious why he is so willing to jump on the Sabrina bandwagon too. She is weak compared to Rebecca. He knows a strong woman is not going to put up with him and tell him off like she does. So he rather find the weaker ones that take the verbal and physical abuse. I am hoping that with what happened recently that Carmela is done and divorces him asap. 

4 minutes ago, JocelynCavanaugh said:

One of my "favorite" parts of this episode was when Jeremiah and the others were smugly proclaiming that while they may have issues with Sabrina, they're "not gonna take it out on the baby," and they're gonna go see that baby anyway. Because a newborn is keeping score of who visits her? What difference does it make? Will she remember any of these losers she was around for a week or two before being placed into a real family who hopefully has their shit together? They choose the oddest things to take a stand on. 

 

I haven't seen the show yet for this week but I will gather this is beyond "scripted" and the stupid producers way to end up having Abe and Rebecca have to some how interact with Sabrina. This show needs to just be done. I am wondering with all the hour shows on each one and the flashbacks done more than usual if this is finally going to be over. 

[sainte-chapelle]

12 hours ago, CarolMK said:

Ugh, Sabrina. I read that she was just arrested for drug possession and I assume it's not her first arrest. So has she definitely lost custody of both her kids now? Where is Oakley and where is the new baby? The report said that the kids were 3 and 5 1/2 months old. No wonder Abe and Rebecca don't want to be around her. I stayed up to watch the clip show about Sabrina and she mentioned that she lost Oakley because she was homeless and living with the toddler in her car. So it wasn't just an unsupervised visit with the father that caused her to lose Oakley. I guess she must have spent all of her TLC money on drugs.

This show is really becoming a train wreck. And with the exception of Mary, it appears that none of these people actually really like either other, other than the couples. And I'm not sure how much Carmela likes Jeremiah at this point. He too was arrested recently for domestic abuse and I think I read something about a restraining order. TLC needs to cancel this mess after this season. I do wonder how the ratings are for it. 

I also noticed in the clip show that she said a friend injected her with heroin then she was hooked. Again, deflecting responsibility for her drug use. I also noticed the used needles in the car, which her and her daughter lived in. Mary is an idiot. She also turned on Kate for not attending Jeremiah's wedding after her verbally attacked her on Christmas. Mary, being the adult, should have told him that his behaviour was completely unacceptable and Kate should never want to speak to him again.

[OnceSane]

4 hours ago, sainte-chapelle said:

I understand it seeming hard hearted and a little reflective of shunning but Sabrina was recently arrested again, proving there is more to the story. As for Jeremiah, he cruelly makes fun of Rebecca wanting to get an education yet finds Sabrina's behaviour easily forgivable. I think it's less about Sabrina and more about making Rebecca uncomfortable. He is a wife beater who detests strong women.

Jeremiah is nice to those who coddle him, and even then only until they call him (however gently) on his shit.  This is why he thinks Mary and Sabrina can do no (or very little) wrong, while Rebecca and Kate are the devil incarnate.

[bichonblitz]

That was the saddest, most pathetic shower I have ever seen. I can not take looking at Sabrina's face and listening to her lifeless voice. She has got to go! Shame on Mary and the rest of them there to support Sabrina. What about the innocent kids? Who is supporting and caring about them? 

When someone's addictions are affecting their children to the point the poor kids are living out of a car while their mother and her friends are shooting up dope, please remind me, WHY would I want to be friends with them? Fuck you, Jeremiah and Carmela. I totally agree with Rebecca and Abe.  I would make sure my family was nowhere near people like that. When you hang with losers, they will drag your right down in to the gutter with them. Now that we know Sabrina is using again, she needs to be removed from the show and put in to a long term rehab. Ugh! A mess!

Edited to ask: Can someone fill me in on what happened with Abe's brother and sister in law? I stopped watching for a while and lost track. The sister in law was dying of cancer- was that ever true? And the brother was in jail. That's the last I remember of them.

Edited May 22, 2017 by bichonblitz

[realityobserver]

When I left the cult I immediately had a curse put on me... I had to endure this POS show every week until it ends in flames...

Does anyone really care about these pathetic, ignorant, clueless, self absorbed idiots who moan and whine every week about stuff the rest of world would resolve in about 5 minutes?  Why must we endure the endless 'baby shower' discussion? If I had a friends like these moronic, crybaby fools, I would block them on social media and on my phone, and if they tried to enter into my life, I would get restraining orders against every one of them for life...

But what happens next week ????

[gonecrackers]

Totally agree with Evil Queen that Rebecca & Abe are right to stay away from Sabrina. They could even put their own family at risk if they had her around, so they need to protect their own first. Sabrina is an addict so she's not safe for anyone.

2 hours ago, sainte-chapelle said:

I also noticed in the clip show that she said a friend injected her with heroin then she was hooked. Again, deflecting responsibility for her drug use.

Yeah, um, how did she not notice that she was getting shot up??  She has no idea how ridiculous that sounds.

2 hours ago, sainte-chapelle said:

Mary, being the adult, should have told him that his behaviour was completely unacceptable and Kate should never want to speak to him again.

Mary is not an adult; she's as immature & messed up as the rest of them.

Edited May 22, 2017 by gonecrackers
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[itsadryheat]

How about the "Tupperware Shootout At The OK Corral" scene. Best part of the entire episode, even if it was staged.

Really. . . a Tupperware chick threatens/reads another Tupperware chick over Tupperware territory.

And Mary's response, clapping. Hilarious!

And then wimpy Sabrina ready to go Dirty Harry on the Godmother of Tupperware.

Props to the creator of this scene. 

[sainte-chapelle]

Now I wonder if Carmela truely 'fell' and broke her wrist, sad

[Evil Queen]

9 hours ago, sainte-chapelle said:

I also noticed in the clip show that she said a friend injected her with heroin then she was hooked. Again, deflecting responsibility for her drug use. I also noticed the used needles in the car, which her and her daughter lived in. Mary is an idiot. She also turned on Kate for not attending Jeremiah's wedding after her verbally attacked her on Christmas. Mary, being the adult, should have told him that his behaviour was completely unacceptable and Kate should never want to speak to him again.

Yep another show of how its never her fault but ALWAYS someone else's. Like gonecrackers said, as if she didn't notice it was happening? She is pathetic. She only ended up in her car like she had because she didn't want to grow the hell up, get help, take responsibility for her actions and except the help she had been given before ending up in her car. Agree Mary is a major idiot. She is far from being an adult for sure and has her own shit she needs to be held accountable for. I hated how she was anti Kate because she didn't show up at the Jeremiah's stupid wedding. Instead of saying she understood why Kate didn't and explain it to Jeremiah she bashes her as well. Gee no wonder Kate isn't in contact with you either. 

9 hours ago, OnceSane said:

Jeremiah is nice to those who coddle him, and even then only until they call him (however gently) on his shit.  This is why he thinks Mary and Sabrina can do no (or very little) wrong, while Rebecca and Kate are the devil incarnate.

BINGO!! Nice to those that coodle and/or are weak but those that don't deal with his BS are just horrible and evil that he must put down hoping he will come out looking like a peach. Yet he ends up showing his true colors with each word that spews from his nasty mouth. 

8 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

That was the saddest, most pathetic shower I have ever seen. I can not take looking at Sabrina's face and listening to her lifeless voice. She has got to go! Shame on Mary and the rest of them there to support Sabrina. What about the innocent kids? Who is supporting and caring about them? 

When someone's addictions are affecting their children to the point the poor kids are living out of a car while their mother and her friends are shooting up dope, please remind me, WHY would I want to be friends with them? Fuck you, Jeremiah and Carmela. I totally agree with Rebecca and Abe.  I would make sure my family was nowhere near people like that. When you hang with losers, they will drag your right down in to the gutter with them. Now that we know Sabrina is using again, she needs to be removed from the show and put in to a long term rehab. Ugh! A mess!

Edited to ask: Can someone fill me in on what happened with Abe's brother and sister in law? I stopped watching for a while and lost track. The sister in law was dying of cancer- was that ever true? And the brother was in jail. That's the last I remember of them.

I'm going to try to watch this tomorrow or Wed morning but to fill you in on Andrew and the stupid fraud (not even using her name). She was faking she was dying from cancer. I had said too that she was looking high back during the last season she was on and not sick but there was a few that gave their pity to her with excusing it as the chemo. Well she ended up admitting later on she lied. She had been arrested for drugs, went to jail and last I heard was out now. She also during the time of her cancer lie set up a gofundme page to gain money for her shit by telling people she wanted the money to go to Mexico for some alternative treatment. So suckers gave her money. After being found out it was a lie she claimed she would pay it all back but I will bet it didn't happen and never will. Andrew was on last week's episode with Katie Ann so he is out of jail now. He looked better than he had the last time he was shown. So hopefully he is keeping clean himself and away from the stupid fraud. 

[SunnyBeBe]

Mary's patience and encouragement to forgive and support others has its proper place, however, when innocent children are at risk, you have to be sensible.  I cringed when she said she wanted to hide the kids so they couldn't be taken away from Sabrina.  PLEASE.  She's not good for them.  I guess someone had to play that role. 

I wondered why it was important for them to visit the newborn too, but, then, I thought of it this way.  One day, years from now, the child may be searching for her roots. She may take comfort that others cared for her, held her, loved her when she was a newborn.  That kind of thing is often important to adopted adults who are in search for answers about their past.  I've seen this on that new show about adopted adults connecting with birth parents and/or bio relatives. (Long Lost Family)  It seems to bring them comfort to know that people were happy that they were born and that their birth was celebrated. 

[TurtlePower]

On 5/21/2017 at 7:54 PM, sainte-chapelle said:

Run Carmella run! I am also becoming convinced they edit Rebecca to make her look bad. No Sabrina, Rebecca owes you nothing. Maybe Rebecca's kids will be taken away if they find out she's hanging out with a heroin addict. They are angry with Sabrina for a reason, likely due to events that occurred off camera.

Sabrina needs to put this thing with Rebecca on hold and work on herself. Her switching between groveling and anger with Rebecca makes me dislike her more and more. She doesn't want to be friends with you, Sabrina! Sometimes friendships end and you can't fix them--but if Sabrina really wants to heal any wounds, she'll back off instead of verbally continuing to rip them open. 

[bichonblitz]

I'm really confused with this nutcase Sabrina. I thought she said she came from a good (adoptive) Mennonite family and wishes she could go back. She wants to sign parental rights for Oakley over to her parents. Then in this episode during the "Sabrina story", she said her father was very mean and verbally abusive to her all her life and her mother was no better. WTF? And she thinks this is a good family who  should raise her daughter? Make up your mind Sabrina. She doesn't even know what she's saying.  Those poor kids. 

[HZAnita]

Jeremiah goes off on people he can't control or people don't give him their undivided attention.   This is why he keeps saying Abe is a different person when Rebecca's around.  Abe actually listens and pays attention to his wife (who sees through Jeremiah's crap) instead of Jeremiah.  Jeremiah is an abusive a-hole. 

[booboopbedoo]

Sabrina should have given the Baby to Carmela and Gopher Face. Then we would not have been subjected to him wacking off.

Yuck! Gross! Wash my eyes!!

I still like Mary but want to shake her sometimes!! Loved the clapping at the Diner.

Watching Rebecca not even understanding what the Tutor meant made me sad but showed how truly ignorant they all are.Surprised they went near the water in Florida because they could have fallen off the world!!

[beeziebee]

Ok folks, you failed me!  I really would have appreciated some warning about the fact that this episode included the long, drawn out discussion of Sabrina's placenta.  I know it's a cultural thing, and I don't want to offend anyone, but I really have to wonder about the wisdom of someone who is on methadone eating her placenta.  If the midwife was so concerned about the baby with Sabrina's methadone use, one would assume that it does indeed cross into the placenta, and that could be reason number one why Sabrina shouldn't be concocting herself that delicious batch of placenta helper.  Just no.

Another irksome trait in this program is that all the cast needs to preface just about everything with, "when you're Amish," or "the Amish do this...".  I thought the whole point of the show was that you're NOT Amish anymore (except for fence-sitting contrary Mary, of course).  So why the big song and dance about what the Amish do, when you're probably not going to do that anyway.  Eliminating this could easily cut the ridiculously-long two hour show down to a more reasonable hour length.

[bichonblitz]

2 hours ago, beeziebee said:

 I thought the whole point of the show was that you're NOT Amish anymore (except for fence-sitting contrary Mary, of course).  So why the big song and dance about what the Amish do, when you're probably not going to do that anyway.  Eliminating this could easily cut the ridiculously-long two hour show down to a more reasonable hour length.

If they don't remind us about being ex- Amish, then wouldn't we just be watching a show about 6 losers from Lancaster, Pa? Because really, there is nothing remotely interesting about them except that they used to be Amish and how they are making it in the "English" world now. I keep trying to understand why they call the show "Return to Amish" when nobody is returning. Didn't it used to be called "Breaking Amish"? That would be more appropriate, no? 

[Willowsmom]

Could Jeremiah  be Mary's oldest?

[DeeReynolds]

I know it's totally Sabrina's fault she lost her kids, but it was still hard to watch her read the court order and wonder who would go hold her baby in the NICU. I'm a new mom myself and that did break my heart some. Arianna is adorable. 

[booboopbedoo]

7 hours ago, beeziebee said:

Ok folks, you failed me!  I really would have appreciated some warning about the fact that this episode included the long, drawn out discussion of Sabrina's placenta.  I know it's a cultural thing, and I don't want to offend anyone, but I really have to wonder about the wisdom of someone who is on methadone eating her placenta.  If the midwife was so concerned about the baby with Sabrina's methadone use, one would assume that it does indeed cross into the placenta, and that could be reason number one why Sabrina shouldn't be concocting herself that delicious batch of placenta helper.  Just no.

Another irksome trait in this program is that all the cast needs to preface just about everything with, "when you're Amish," or "the Amish do this...".  I thought the whole point of the show was that you're NOT Amish anymore (except for fence-sitting contrary Mary, of course).  So why the big song and dance about what the Amish do, when you're probably not going to do that anyway.  Eliminating this could easily cut the ridiculously-long two hour show down to a more reasonable hour length.

You forgot "when I was in the Cult"

[Evil Queen]

11 hours ago, TurtlePower said:

Sabrina needs to put this thing with Rebecca on hold and work on herself. Her switching between groveling and anger with Rebecca makes me dislike her more and more. She doesn't want to be friends with you, Sabrina! Sometimes friendships end and you can't fix them--but if Sabrina really wants to heal any wounds, she'll back off instead of verbally continuing to rip them open. 

This is just another thing that shows Sabrina doesn't get it and rather blame everyone else instead of looking at the truth on why Rebecca wants nothing to do with her at this point. She needs to stop the blame game and verbal assaults on everyone when they don't do what she wants, and realize she is her own issues.

10 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

I'm really confused with this nutcase Sabrina. I thought she said she came from a good (adoptive) Mennonite family and wishes she could go back. She wants to sign parental rights for Oakley over to her parents. Then in this episode during the "Sabrina story", she said her father was very mean and verbally abusive to her all her life and her mother was no better. WTF? And she thinks this is a good family who  should raise her daughter? Make up your mind Sabrina. She doesn't even know what she's saying.  Those poor kids. 

I don't get her at all. I think she is so messed up that she has no clue what is what at this point. Plus it wouldn't look great if she claimed she came from a loving adoptive family for her story but instead comes off as another thing she can lay blame on her issues she has instead of taking responsibility. They also took her in when she tried to get Oakley back the first time. If they were so horrible as she claims then I can't see them doing that or caring at all what happened. As well as she is delusional if she thinks a court would just hand her kids over to her parents at all after terminating her parental rights. She wouldn't be allowed around and I don't think she understands that part of things. I think she would hope that giving the kids to her parents would make it so she could be "mommy" still when she wanted and possibly take them when she wanted. 

7 hours ago, beeziebee said:

Ok folks, you failed me!  I really would have appreciated some warning about the fact that this episode included the long, drawn out discussion of Sabrina's placenta.  I know it's a cultural thing, and I don't want to offend anyone, but I really have to wonder about the wisdom of someone who is on methadone eating her placenta.  If the midwife was so concerned about the baby with Sabrina's methadone use, one would assume that it does indeed cross into the placenta, and that could be reason number one why Sabrina shouldn't be concocting herself that delicious batch of placenta helper.  Just no.

Another irksome trait in this program is that all the cast needs to preface just about everything with, "when you're Amish," or "the Amish do this...".  I thought the whole point of the show was that you're NOT Amish anymore (except for fence-sitting contrary Mary, of course).  So why the big song and dance about what the Amish do, when you're probably not going to do that anyway.  Eliminating this could easily cut the ridiculously-long two hour show down to a more reasonable hour length.

Sadly the stupid producers feel we need that reminder because we must have forgotten since the last time we watched. *rollseyes*. And eewww on the placenta thing. I just do not get anyone wanting to do that. Sorry but there was no way I was ever going to do that. With Sabrina its the last things she needs to be doing with who knows what in her system. 

5 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

If they don't remind us about being ex- Amish, then wouldn't we just be watching a show about 6 losers from Lancaster, Pa? Because really, there is nothing remotely interesting about them except that they used to be Amish and how they are making it in the "English" world now. I keep trying to understand why they call the show "Return to Amish" when nobody is returning. Didn't it used to be called "Breaking Amish"? That would be more appropriate, no? 

Breaking Amish was them "breaking free" from being Amish and leaving that life behind. Since they used that title for different groups they would have to change it to something else but agree that Return to Amish was not it since its not what they were doing at all. 

2 hours ago, Willowsmom said:

Could Jeremiah  be Mary's oldest?

Don't think so. I had assumed from what was said she had her oldest and raised him. Jeremiah was adopted by his parents. As well as he is the oldest of the bunch too....at 37-38 yrs old. Not sure how old Mary is or her other kids. 

[JocelynCavanaugh]

This season should've been called We Used to Be Amish and Did We Mention We Were Amish But We're Not as Amish Now But We'll Still Tell You About Our Amish Ways 

[realityobserver]

1 hour ago, JocelynCavanaugh said:

This season should've been called We Used to Be Amish and Did We Mention We Were Amish But We're Not as Amish Now But We'll Still Tell You About Our Amish Ways

And don't forget Carmela and the cult and the curse... You know she used to be in a cult, and she had a curse put on her ... LOL

[bichonblitz]

8 hours ago, realityobserver said:

And don't forget Carmela and the cult and the curse... You know she used to be in a cult, and she had a curse put on her ... LOL

And that is why her life will always suck now and forever. It's because of the curse. 

[SunnyBeBe]

Sabrina didn't make it clear, but, in most states, when the parent is facing civil abuse, neglect or termination of parental rights, the state appoints you an attorney.  It's one of the times that you do get a court appointed attorney, when it's not a criminal case, because it effects such a fundamental right. She would have an attorney making arguments, negotiating on her behalf, etc.  I'm not sure why a FAMILY placement was not pursued long ago. That is the best option, so, I expect that there was some kind of issue with Sabrina's parents OR they refused. 

I saw an old clip where Sabrina wanted to watch movies, have fun, be like other teens.  Things could have also been rather rough otherwise.  I don't know.  But, if the choice is have your parents take the baby OR strangers....I'd go with family, since, in her mind of magical thinking, she likely thinks that one day she will have the option of getting the child back.  

Edited May 24, 2017 by SunnyBeBe

[booboopbedoo]

Sabrina and her eyes annoy the Hell out of me but I did feel bad for her when they took the baby away again. The show needs to let her go and maybe put her in a rehab for a few weeks. She will go back to drugs and OD in short time.

Sad old lump of a girl

[Evil Queen]

Finally watching this. Jeremiah is a major asshole. Sick of his Abe is controlled by Rebecca crap and how he tried to tell Abe what to do by telling him to come into the "baby shower". Then starting that crap up in the "baby shower". Lizzie would be wise to distance herself from Sabrina as well IMO. I am tired of how it comes off with Mary trying to "act" as if she is this person that needs to make things all right with everyone. She needs to get off her high horse already and look at why some do not want ot make things right with people like Sabrina. The whole accusing Rebecca of ignoring Carmela (or Carmelo as Mary says) was a joke. Carmela goes along with whatever Jeremiah says because of his abusive ways. I doubt she felt ignored on that stupid boat ride. Like Rebecca said, Jeremiah gets uncomfortable when everything is going nicely so he starts up crap. Sabrina with the whole "fling" with Jeremiah....quit bringing shit up to show your obsessed with him still. She also needs to stop obsessing on Rebecca too and not act like she "forgives" Rebecca. As well as doesn't know what is going on with Abe and Rebecca...please you know full well what is going on and why they want nothing to do with you. Funny how Carmela gets things to a point but if we saw her with Jeremiah she wouldn't have been saying those things because Jeremiah wouldn't have allowed it. If only Sabrina would have listened to advice about thinking about her kids first then maybe, just maybe, she might not have lost them. Sorry but we all know she only wanted her parents to take the baby so she could take her when she wanted. While it sucks to think of a baby taken, she knew it would happen with her other one taken. She should have done better for those kids to begin with. I love how she thinks she can negotiate where her baby ends up too and tell them she will sign rights over if they do what she wants. Stupid! 

OMG She wants to eat her placenta because she said it won't give her postpartum and now that is why she started doing drugs according to her in that moment. *rollseyes* I have had PPD with the last 2 of my kids. I didn't feel the need to go shoot up or have someone shoot me up with drugs. 

This whole GED thing is stupid. I have to say that the workbook they had Rebecca working out of looked like one I use for my daughter. We do a public home school and they give us one like that for language arts. Even what was being discussed is one of the things in the book a bunch. Its a bit annoying too. We have been doing school this way the last 2 1/2 yrs now. It never changes with the what it has in them from grade to grade. So she was "working" on an Author's Purpose page. LMAO I have to say I think Rebecca is probably smarter than the rest still left on this show. Kate was the smartest for being over it and done finally. Rebecca would be wise to do the same thing at this point. The therapy session and bringing up Sabrina, it shows right there EXACTLY why the best thing Abe and Rebecca could do was to kick her out of their lives. I am amazed by those that think they are in the wrong for it. OMG telling them to go tell Sabrina why they are not happy with her and to change??? Is this guy for real? Sorry but that has been done before from what have heard and seen. Give me a damn break! I know its not something I would even do with my drug addict/alcoholic sister. 

OMG that whole this is my tupperware party area....LMAO give me a break. 

Mary is pretty shitty for setting Abe up like that with Sabrina showing up. Get a clue Mary! I'd walk out too and be pissed as hell being put in that situation. Sorry but Amish are not the only wants that can hold a grudge and IMO that is not what this is either.

Carmela's wrist...yeah I question that whole story myself with everything that has come out on the abuse going on in that marriage. Dear, its not the curse, its Jeremiah. 

I said it when Sabrina came back last season, she should not have been brought back. More so to play out her custody issues. She needs major help but until she wakes up and understands she has to take responsibility, as well as STOP blaming everyone else for her issues, it will never change how she is. Throwing her in rehab is not going to work unless she wakes up and wants help for real. Which her arrest is going to do nothing either btw, http://starcasm.net/archives/370121 Its like a slap on the wrist. I am sure she will find a way to blame Abe and more so, Rebecca for this as well. 

[Bunky]

What's with this "yous" business? Sabrina has said it a few times and it sounds ridiculous. Her accent is the worst. It seems to have gotten worse as she's descended into total sad-sackdom. She needs to pull herself together. It angers me in a way I can't articulate that she has brought two children into this world. I hope those kids find nice parents as part of a closed adoption and never see Sabrina again. 

My new diet is to simply watch the footage of Sabrina cooking her placenta whenever I feel hungry. I know people do it but I don't want to see it. 

Who knew you can bribe people with Tupperware? 

[CathyS]

What's with this "yous" business? 

it's East coast slang -  like Southerners say "y'all" to mean 'you, plural' or 'you all' -  we say "you's".  Well, some of us anyway. Here in the big city (Philly) it's not quite as common as it is in the Pittsburgh/Punxsatawney area, Northeast Philly, and parts of NY and NJ.  :) 

Edited May 25, 2017 by CathyS

[TurtlePower]

44 minutes ago, CathyS said:

What's with this "yous" business? 

it's East coast slang -  like Southerners say "y'all" to mean 'you, plural' or 'you all' -  we say "you's".  Well, some of us anyway. Here in the big city (Philly) it's not quite as common as it is in the Pittsburgh/Punxsatawney area, Northeast Philly, and parts of NY and NJ.  :) 

I think it's fun:). I studied linguistics as part of my major in college and find local nuances quite fascinating. 

[Snarklepuss]

4 hours ago, CathyS said:

What's with this "yous" business? 

it's East coast slang -  like Southerners say "y'all" to mean 'you, plural' or 'you all' -  we say "you's".  Well, some of us anyway. Here in the big city (Philly) it's not quite as common as it is in the Pittsburgh/Punxsatawney area, Northeast Philly, and parts of NY and NJ.  :) 

I think "youse" probably originated in New York or New Jersey among Italian Americans.  I can remember hearing it a lot when I was younger among neighborhood "Joes" in the boroughs.  Even some of my Italian American relatives used it.  If you watch old gangster movies (1930s gangsters, not present day gangstas, LOL) you'll hear them using the term a lot.  It's usually considered a sign of being uneducated and/or lower class, although I'm sure that's not a hard and fast rule, so don't youse all get insulted, OK?  LOL

I can't even comment with this episode, LOL.  I watched it late due to 3 freaking hours being too long - Why is it that every show I watch has suddenly become a marathon?  Even the "Dancing with the Stars" finale!  Gah, it's springtime, I want to have a LIFE!  And speaking of that, this show tends to suck the life out of me, really, what a freaking train wreck this has turned into.  Very depressing.  That's all I got right now.  You've all pretty much said what I've been thinking anyway.

[Bunky]

On 5/21/2017 at 11:51 PM, CathyS said:

Okay, you've all made the "youse" thing interesting! ;) Still can't stand to hear it come out of Sabrina's mouth, though.

I thought this was interesting, I watched the first part of the "Sabrina Story" and her accent wasn't nearly as pronounced. English life in Punxy is doing her no favors, unfortunately.  

[gonecrackers]

This episode with Sabrina was just so sad. She's losing everything & doesn't even seem to get why. I feel for her kids the most & hope they are safe.

Everything else is just so damned scripted & lame.

And I could've done without seeing even a blurred container of Jeremiah's sperm. Maybe it's just me, but it's so stupid & offensive to put porn in there. Why the hell can't his wife go in there & 'help' him out? Geesh, no, let's have him drool over other women to get off so he & his wife can have a baby...twisted crap there IMO.

[whydoiwatchthis]

In Western PA, I always heard "yinz" instead of youse or y'all. It grated on my ears.

[Evil Queen]

11 hours ago, Snarklepuss said:

I can't even comment with this episode, LOL.  I watched it late due to 3 freaking hours being too long - Why is it that every show I watch has suddenly become a marathon?  Even the "Dancing with the Stars" finale!  Gah, it's springtime, I want to have a LIFE!  And speaking of that, this show tends to suck the life out of me, really, what a freaking train wreck this has turned into.  Very depressing.  That's all I got right now.  You've all pretty much said what I've been thinking anyway.

I only watched the first 2 hours. I figured the 3rd was the Sabrina story and I went to watch it this morning but for some reason there is nothing on demand right now for the show. Hate how it ends up at times but whatever. I was wondering if things were so long as to try to wrap it all up faster than usual. All I know is its one of the few watch on demand and it lets me use the ff button so I can get through it faster when I want thankfully. 

OMG That Dancing with the Stars finale was horribly long....I know they all are but a half hour more on and it makes it feel like forever....I never even get doing 2 hours for it. I don't need to see all the bs. Just tell me who won. LOL

16 hours ago, Bunky said:

It angers me in a way I can't articulate that she has brought two children into this world. I hope those kids find nice parents as part of a closed adoption and never see Sabrina again. 

My new diet is to simply watch the footage of Sabrina cooking her placenta whenever I feel hungry. I know people do it but I don't want to see it. 

Who knew you can bribe people with Tupperware? 

Agree! I hope that for them as well. Those little girls need that and not Sabrina. I am hoping that they are able to be together as well. 

OMG the whole placenta thing was nasty as hell. She decides to cook it herself because the one said its past 3 days so they don't touch it. Which says to me there is a reason they don't. Either way though she is delusional about her reasons for doing it as well IMO. As well as it became a "fad/trend" to do more than anything else. Sorry but there was no way I would have done that when I had my kids. 

LMAO the Tupperware bribe was something else. 

[Swiss]

I found this episode to be both ridiculous and hilarious. From Sabrina's ridiculous ramblings about eating her placenta, to Mary buying someones silence with Tupperware, to Jeremiah and Carmella wanting to have another  baby.  This show is the ultimate trainwreck.  Put this show out of its' misery and cancel it!

Edited May 25, 2017 by Swiss

[gonecrackers]

2 hours ago, Evil Queen said:

OMG the whole placenta thing was nasty as hell. She decides to cook it herself because the one said its past 3 days so they don't touch it. Which says to me there is a reason they don't. Either way though she is delusional about her reasons for doing it as well IMO. As well as it became a "fad/trend" to do more than anything else. Sorry but there was no way I would have done that when I had my kids. 

I've heard of people doing this but with her I'm guessing it was scripted as well.

She would be at high risk for PPD with her life, & I hope she had some help with that. Yes there are the meds but there are also a lot of naturals (other than placenta) that are very helpful.

18 hours ago, Bunky said:

Who knew you can bribe people with Tupperware? 

Mary should probably keep a lot of extra around in case more Amish women show up.  (eye roll)

Just a wild guess, but crazy Tupperware lady works for production, 'cuz, really?? 

And what was Sabrina going to do for Mary?  Knock the lady over with her giant belly? Geesh, it was so ridiculous!

Do they even realize how much comedy they're doing? 

[Evil Queen]

6 hours ago, gonecrackers said:

I've heard of people doing this but with her I'm guessing it was scripted as well.

She would be at high risk for PPD with her life, & I hope she had some help with that. Yes there are the meds but there are also a lot of naturals (other than placenta) that are very helpful.

Mary should probably keep a lot of extra around in case more Amish women show up.  (eye roll)

Just a wild guess, but crazy Tupperware lady works for production, 'cuz, really?? 

And what was Sabrina going to do for Mary?  Knock the lady over with her giant belly? Geesh, it was so ridiculous!

Do they even realize how much comedy they're doing? 

Oh I know people do. For so long it was mentioned all over the place and was the "trendy" thing for a new mom to do. Surprised they didn't do this with her first. *gag* Either way I agree she is a risk for PPD with how she is. I know I didn't have it with my first. Had it with my 2nd and felt in my gut it was going to happen with my last one. My poor husband....I didn't realize until this year (almost 11 yrs later) how much it effected him too. He told me one day out of the blue when we were talking about this stuff that he would go to work and talk to the guys about things at times. I just felt horrible. I know I had talked to my ob about other options because I did not want to take drugs for it. That would have been the best thing for Sabrina to find out because eating that is not going to be a cure all like she might have assumed. 

LMAO over the Tupperware stash and that one lady...was Sabrina going to throw down with the lady over Tupperware? I thought it was someone hired or on production as well. It was just to far out there to be real. 

[TurtlePower]

19 hours ago, Swiss said:

I found this episode to be both ridiculous and hilarious. From Sabrina's ridiculous ramblings about eating her placenta, to Mary buying someones silence with Tupperware, to Jeremiah and Carmella wanting to have another  baby.  This show is the ultimate trainwreck.  Put this show out of its' misery and cancel it!

This.  I realize reality TV needs to keep things interesting, but this is outlandish. I mean, come on. If they have to go this far, it's going to be over soon. 

[Spiderella2]

On 5/23/2017 at 5:39 PM, Evil Queen said:

This is just another thing that shows Sabrina doesn't get it and rather blame everyone else instead of looking at the truth on why Rebecca wants nothing to do with her at this point. She needs to stop the blame game and verbal assaults on everyone when they don't do what she wants, and realize she is her own issues.

I don't get her at all. I think she is so messed up that she has no clue what is what at this point. Plus it wouldn't look great if she claimed she came from a loving adoptive family for her story but instead comes off as another thing she can lay blame on her issues she has instead of taking responsibility. They also took her in when she tried to get Oakley back the first time. If they were so horrible as she claims then I can't see them doing that or caring at all what happened. As well as she is delusional if she thinks a court would just hand her kids over to her parents at all after terminating her parental rights. She wouldn't be allowed around and I don't think she understands that part of things. I think she would hope that giving the kids to her parents would make it so she could be "mommy" still when she wanted and possibly take them when she wanted. 

Sadly the stupid producers feel we need that reminder because we must have forgotten since the last time we watched. *rollseyes*. And eewww on the placenta thing. I just do not get anyone wanting to do that. Sorry but there was no way I was ever going to do that. With Sabrina its the last things she needs to be doing with who knows what in her system. 

Breaking Amish was them "breaking free" from being Amish and leaving that life behind. Since they used that title for different groups they would have to change it to something else but agree that Return to Amish was not it since its not what they were doing at all. 

Don't think so. I had assumed from what was said she had her oldest and raised him. Jeremiah was adopted by his parents. As well as he is the oldest of the bunch too....at 37-38 yrs old. Not sure how old Mary is or her other kids. 

I think the reference is about her very first child, that Mary got pregnant with while on her Rumspringa at the Carnival. She did say that she gave that child up for adoption. Jeremiah is adopted. The timeline could fit. If Mary was 18/19 when she ran away to the Carnival, had the baby at 19/20. Jeremiah is 37/38 now. I'm not sure how old Mary is, but it's about 2 years off. Since the Amish didn't have birth certificates back then, we don't know exactly how old Mary is. Maybe Jeremiah is her secretly adopted child, and that's why she has such a soft spot for him. Or perhaps, she just relates to him since he is a little lost boy without a real mother figure, and she fancies herself as the mother figure. Perhaps paying the karmic debt for the child she had to give up.

[Bunky]

On 5/24/2017 at 10:45 PM, Snarklepuss said:

I think "youse" probably originated in New York or New Jersey among Italian Americans. 

Heh, so today I was at a conference and one of the women at my table was from NJ. She totally said "youse" and I asked her about it. She also compared it to "y'all" and said it was a jersey thing. I'm a NYer and work with lots of people who live in NJ but they don't say it.  Anyway, it made me chuckle. 

Back on topic, Jeremiah is gross. 

[Evil Queen]

19 hours ago, Spiderella2 said:

I think the reference is about her very first child, that Mary got pregnant with while on her Rumspringa at the Carnival. She did say that she gave that child up for adoption. Jeremiah is adopted. The timeline could fit. If Mary was 18/19 when she ran away to the Carnival, had the baby at 19/20. Jeremiah is 37/38 now. I'm not sure how old Mary is, but it's about 2 years off. Since the Amish didn't have birth certificates back then, we don't know exactly how old Mary is. Maybe Jeremiah is her secretly adopted child, and that's why she has such a soft spot for him. Or perhaps, she just relates to him since he is a little lost boy without a real mother figure, and she fancies herself as the mother figure. Perhaps paying the karmic debt for the child she had to give up.

I know it was but Jeremiah is not her first child that she had with an "English" man during that time. https://www.facebook.com/BreakingAmishFans/posts/825643050865882 Another site says as well that her child was adopted by Chester after they married but this one says his name is David. While another site wondered at the time if it had been Andrew but I will go with what the facebook post is. Didn't she mention at one point in the past that her son doesn't speak to her because he lived a very Amish life? I thought she had said another state but this says he lives in PA. At least at some time he had. Who knows. Either way its not Jeremiah. I think Mary just likes either butting in to everyone's lives to make her feel like she is important to anyone she comes across...sort of like why she wears her Amish outfit in public. Its all about attention she gets..good or bad really. Most of what we see is obviously scripted so its hard to say why she keeps on with Jeremiah or Sabrina really. 

[beesmommie3]

On 5/22/2017 at 3:30 PM, bichonblitz said:

That was the saddest, most pathetic shower I have ever seen. I can not take looking at Sabrina's face and listening to her lifeless voice. She has got to go! Shame on Mary and the rest of them there to support Sabrina. What about the innocent kids? Who is supporting and caring about them? 

When someone's addictions are affecting their children to the point the poor kids are living out of a car while their mother and her friends are shooting up dope, please remind me, WHY would I want to be friends with them? Fuck you, Jeremiah and Carmela. I totally agree with Rebecca and Abe.  I would make sure my family was nowhere near people like that. When you hang with losers, they will drag your right down in to the gutter with them. Now that we know Sabrina is using again, she needs to be removed from the show and put in to a long term rehab. Ugh! A mess!

Edited to ask: Can someone fill me in on what happened with Abe's brother and sister in law? I stopped watching for a while and lost track. The sister in law was dying of cancer- was that ever true? And the brother was in jail. That's the last I remember of them.

Andrew is back on the show, still English.  I don't know if he's clean or not.  Chapel did not have a cancer relapse.  She is actually in jail for making and distributing meth.  And using which explains her lifeless, I have cancer again appearance a few seasons back.  She also cheated on Andrew and filed for divorce while he was in jail.

I disagree about Sabrina.  Yes she needs rehab.  She worked so hard to get Oakley back and then blew it.  I don't know if blood tests came back while she was in the hospital giving birth to Arianna that showed she had more drugs in her system than what the hospital gave and her methadone or what?  There has to be a bigger reason why children and youth would take her to court before her baby's release from the NICU.  

I blame the producers the most.  They saw Sabrina's downward spiral and didn't help.  They saw the abuse her husband and Jeremiah were dishing out to their wives and did nothing.  It's disgusting that they never stepped in.

As for Rebecca.  I cannot stand her.  Never could, never will.  She's a spoiled brat who only thinks of herself.

Edited June 1, 2017 by beesmommie3

[booboopbedoo]

last episode coming up and I think they should cancel this mess.

Really?? Placenta???