Politics in the Media

[spiderherky]

24 minutes ago, stewedsquash said:

Between the two of you, yes you are both wrong about which incident I am referring to here. What you are talking about in your post is not what I watched as it happened at that time. It was later discussed on tv news reports and radio reports, print media. There was nothing further discussed when he was avoiding the press asking questions, just I won and walking away. It happened, and it was brought up by me because it was the same tone as what the poster I was responding to was pointing out about what is happening now. No problem, y'all are just talking about something else to refute or support my original post. 

Interesting take about moving the interviews:

 

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/opinion/article116109623.html

Not saying it didn't happen, but I searched and couldn't find any reference to that incidence.  I posted what I found (and remembered myself).

[windsprints]

One more:

The heiress quietly shaping Trump’s operation

I lied, here's another:

Trump has a plan for government workers. They’re not going to like it.

Edited November 21, 2016 by windsprints

[Duke Silver]

1 hour ago, potatoradio said:

[snip]

a less obvious, but just as harmful, agenda. The big attacks on civil liberties get all the attention, but it's the quieter erosion they hope people won't notice. It's complex and nuanced and invisible if you don't look for it. I hope the MSM doesn't make us dig for it. Put that shit front and center. 

You mean MSM normalizing the alt-right/white supremacy?

https://twitter.com/ira/status/800565201258958848

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The fuck is wrong with y'all

In reference to this:

and this:

 

*****I have been back & forth on MSM...whether we need to support them as purveyors of the Bill of Rights, or hold their feet to the fire (I know....those aren't mutually exclusive, it's just a thought exercise).  I am having a more bleak outlook when I recall the "survival rules" for living in an autocracy (I & a couple others here have posted to such articles)....one of the rules is "don't rely on institutions to save you."

[Duke Silver]

https://twitter.com/mlcalderone/status/800546403294576640

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“But as the night wore on and most reporters had gone home, the language changed.” http://nyti.ms/2gbI1F8

[potatoradio]

2 hours ago, Duke Silver said:

*****I have been back & forth on MSM...whether we need to support them as purveyors of the Bill of Rights, or hold their feet to the fire (I know....those aren't mutually exclusive, it's just a thought exercise).  I am having a more bleak outlook when I recall the "survival rules" for living in an autocracy (I & a couple others here have posted to such articles)....one of the rules is "don't rely on institutions to save you.

I have, too. 

I'm leaning toward "hold their feet to the fire" and make our expectations known that they are responsible for reporting not only what the orange thing says and what they want to report to earn favor with his campaign, but to report honest questions and investigations into an administration the public has a lot of concern with. Concerns about racism, fascism, corruption, violence, revoking of civil rights....all of those are pretty top concerns for a lot of their readers and we need them to keep those stories covered or they will indeed fail us.

[Duke Silver]

26 minutes ago, potatoradio said:

I have, too. 

I'm leaning toward "hold their feet to the fire" and make our expectations known that they are responsible for reporting not only what the orange thing says and what they want to report to earn favor with his campaign, but to report honest questions and investigations into an administration the public has a lot of concern with. Concerns about racism, fascism, corruption, violence, revoking of civil rights....all of those are pretty top concerns for a lot of their readers and we need them to keep those stories covered or they will indeed fail us.

I'm heeding what some journalists have warned about: "chasing the ball" when it comes to Trump.  That whole Hamilton dust-up is a clear example.  It's all diversion, and fwiw, I like your list of REAL CONCERNS.  I'm still sussing-out what my true POV is when it comes to MSM.  I thought I had a solidified approach, but the past couple weeks have stressed my previously-held beliefs.

I'm beyond worried that the Right's 10+ year assault on "liberal media" has won.  There is little trust of MSM, among people of all persuasions.  I have no idea how to stem that tide.  I only know that when Fox News seems somewhat reasonable compared to the crackpot blogs/non-traditional media that are influencing the Drumpf administration, it's time for us to be seriously worried.

Edited November 21, 2016 by Duke Silver

[fishcakes]

3 hours ago, Duke Silver said:

“But as the night wore on and most reporters had gone home, the language changed.” http://nyti.ms/2gbI1F8

It's pretty amazing that the NYT can report this:

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But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the “children of the sun,” a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were “awakening to their own identity.”

As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. When Mr. Spencer, or perhaps another person standing near him at the front of the room — it was not clear who — shouted, “Heil the people! Heil victory,” the room shouted it back.

and then not three paragraphs later say this:

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While many of its racist views are well known — that President Obama is, or may as well be, of foreign birth; that the Black Lives Matter movement is another name for black race rioters; that even the American-born children of undocumented Hispanic immigrants should be deported — the alt-right has been difficult to define.

Decent Human Beings: "They're Nazis."
The Alt-Right: "We're Nazis."
The NYT: "They're hard to define."

On the up side, after they've come for all the innocent people, they'll eventually come for the concern trolls, so at least there's that.

Edited November 21, 2016 by fishcakes

[windsprints]

Regarding "the cupcake lady", from the article I linked above (and stated elsewhere in the media):

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The Mercer family in recent years has given more than $48 million to campaigns, committees or companies run in part by top Trump allies or advisers, according to a POLITICO analysis of filings with the Federal Election Commission and the Internal Revenue Service, combined with interviews with people familiar with the Mercers’ political spending.

There are other articles on her and the one above and others all give various details on her connections.  

Sen. Gillibrand Prepares to 'Push Back Hate' - its a 25 minute audio interview.  She speaks of people calling their representative (continue to), Trump, Bannon, how people should not "shut up", etc.  I'm a supporter, so everyone may not share this view, but I thought it was a great interview.

Edited November 21, 2016 by windsprints

[potatoradio]

13 minutes ago, fishcakes said:

The NYT: "They're hard to define."

*facepalm*

Dear NYT:

No, they aren't. An amoeba could do it. 

[windsprints]

A running list of how Donald Trump's new position may be helping his business interests

[potatoradio]

What the everloving fuck is this?

So, orange thing and the Cryptkeeper call major network reps to an "off the record" meeting and then report that it "went well?" And he's going to have a meeting with the NYT next? 

The rumor is that it is to discuss access to his rumpness. I would bet money that he's going to limit access based on how he's portrayed. 

We're about to find out if we have any scruples in the MSM left or if the official transition to propaganda normalizing hate machine is cued to go....

Edited November 21, 2016 by potatoradio

[potatoradio]

According to this (unless anyone wants to prove this is fake), this off the record meeting was absolutely nothing like Obama's and there is every reason to panic about losing free press. Tell me this is fake, please. 

[debbie311]

5 minutes ago, potatoradio said:

According to this (unless anyone wants to prove this is fake), this off the record meeting was absolutely nothing like Obama's and there is every reason to panic about losing free press. Tell me this is fake, please. 

I am stunned.  Is there a chance this is not true?  I am sick to my stomach.

[windsprints]

Donald Trump’s Lewd Remarks About Women Disturbed Guests At White House Event

[potatoradio]

I will just say that I hope to hell these media reps double down on investigative reporting and view his tantrums as just that and insist that if he ever pulls shit like that again that they will not be bullied into what they cover and then go all out on scandal reporting. 

[potatoradio]

Bwahhhh haahhhH!!

Since I've never had the pleasure of being part of a democracy trying to survive under a psychopathic pantload, I'm not entirely sure what this means, but the fascist Breitbart is running its first "broken promise" story about Trump "not pursuing" Clinton's emails. 

I won't link to that disgusting piece of Breitbart shit. I'll let the Washington Post do this job. If you judge by the comments posted on the fascist site, little Trumpy Wumpys are already losing their minds about this. Trump you, assholes. 

Also, thanks to Rachel Maddow for pointing out that his whole promise was ridiculous because he NEVER had any power to do anything. It's all an illusion of power, just as it was when he "demanded" Obama's birth certificate.

I actually wish I did tweet because I would love to ask Joy Reid her thoughts on orange crappy pants' screaming at the media yesterday. She wasn't there. She has no reason to hold back her opinion or not get it on record. Guess I'll have to email if there's any chance they still use that old Luddite technology. 

And must look into Wash Po subscription. 

[Nidratime]

Trump's too busy pardoning himself for doing the "exact things" -- and lots, lots more -- of which he accused Hillary.

[sistermagpie]

1 hour ago, stewedsquash said:

 

I don't have an issue with him not going after her. Let the ones who can do it do it and then he can pardon her.

 

The ones who could do it have already investigated and found her innocent. Also DT has now pretty much doing the very things he claimed she ought to be in jail for.

1 hour ago, stewedsquash said:

“ He said, ‘You’d better be serious on this.’ ”

You will have to read to find out what it was about.

Jared talking to his girlfriend's father about marrying her because they're the men?

1 hour ago, stewedsquash said:

I savored the whole article and look forward to going along for the ride. 

With all those conflicts of interests and committed bigots and lobbyists getting ready to board already, it'll be quite a ride! 

Btw, just as a general FYI to everyone, according to a Washington Post years ago in an interview Trump asked if it was wrong to be more attracted to his (then 13-year-old) daughter more than his wife. Just to add to the whole "colorful character" thing.

Edited November 22, 2016 by sistermagpie

[potatoradio]

So, big test for the NYT. Going forward, after DT's little whine about how they should make his job easier (the hell?), will they double down on investigative reporting on the potentially impeachable acts the orange thing is waving in our country's face? They have the money. They have the power. DT would like them to think they don't, but facts are still facts and the sky is still blue. I didn't expect such a bellwether test so soon, but why not wake them up sooner rather than later? Are you awake, NYT? We'll find out.

Meanwhile, the journalists who report the real story about DT turning this country into his own profit machine (kinda like the Onceler being in charge - buy my Sneeds! Buy my spawn's Sneeds! You need a sneed!) are needed now more than ever. 

I am reading more articles that point to real activism, community involvement and investigative journalism as the only way to save what might remain of our country if DT doesn't sell us out to whoever bids highest for us. 

I think, maybe, we've reached as far as we can go with corporate conglomerate media. They may be a little slow and hazy to hear the alarm clock, but it's ringing. Sleep time's over. Get up and be the free press your soldiers risk their lives for.

Never normal. 

[MulletorHater]

5 hours ago, potatoradio said:

Bwahhhh haahhhH!!

Since I've never had the pleasure of being part of a democracy trying to survive under a psychopathic pantload, I'm not entirely sure what this means, but the fascist Breitbart is running its first "broken promise" story about Trump "not pursuing" Clinton's emails. 

I won't link to that disgusting piece of Breitbart shit. I'll let the Washington Post do this job. If you judge by the comments posted on the fascist site, little Trumpy Wumpys are already losing their minds about this. Trump you, assholes. 

Also, thanks to Rachel Maddow for pointing out that his whole promise was ridiculous because he NEVER had any power to do anything. It's all an illusion of power, just as it was when he "demanded" Obama's birth certificate.

I actually wish I did tweet because I would love to ask Joy Reid her thoughts on orange crappy pants' screaming at the media yesterday. She wasn't there. She has no reason to hold back her opinion or not get it on record. Guess I'll have to email if there's any chance they still use that old Luddite technology. 

And must look into Wash Po subscription. 

By all means, do look into a Washington Post subscription.  They picked up where NYT left off in this election cycle especially in highlighting FrankenDrumpf's fraud and chicanery.  I also understand that Ann Coulter and Judicial Watch, among others, are none too happy either.

Hillary hatred is a lot like Obama Derangement Syndrome.  It causes people to lose their damn minds.  Perhaps someone should point out to them that projecting one's own fraud and corruption onto someone else does not a case make.  In addition, the president is not charged with recommending the prosecution of someone especially a political rival, which leads to a slippery slope.  Meanwhile, the mango maniac has a history of double-dealing and fraud.  His own "foundation"* just acknowledged violating the ban on "self dealing" in its latest report to the IRS.  Don't even get me started on the lawsuit he just settled, including $1 million in penalties to New York State for violating state education laws.

It reminds me of something my father warned me about years ago when my ex-fiance cheated on me although he constantly (and falsely) accused me of dogging him out.  Anytime someone is constantly accusing you of doing something wrong, you need to check him out; 9 times out of 10, it's something that he's doing himself.

*I refuse to dignify a vehicle that Drumpf uses as his own piggybank with the name "foundation."

[potatoradio]

11 minutes ago, MulletorHater said:

By all means, do look into a Washington Post subscription

Thank you. Just did - subscribed! Same with Newsweek, which I'd relegated to the sad stack at my dentist's office, but Kurt Eichenwald also had some good journalism work during the election circus and he's not letting up on Twitter. Plus, my wife loves to read anything, so she'll be thrilled at another mag coming to our house. I'll have to let her know my account info with Wash Po so she can get on there, too. The NYT will wait until I see whether they produce any news journalists or normalize the Onceler. 

Also signed up for emails from vox. Nuanced, in depth, provocative articles. 

Yeah, it's still keyboard warrior stuff, but I'm putting my money where my....er...fingers...are? Nevermind.

[sistermagpie]

10 minutes ago, stewedsquash said:

Not only ID but also proof of income, SSN card, and proof of residency. For EVERYONE in the household. For a free turkey. 

And...somebody having extensive requirements for a charity giveaway means they have to support voter suppression laws targeting certain demographics? Or am I totally off-base in the point of that article. I admit I might be!

Edited November 22, 2016 by sistermagpie

[windsprints]

Dan Rather: 

[BuckeyeLou]

On 11/10/2016 at 7:32 PM, Kromm said:

I've already been noticing in many outlets a total 180 in how they talk about Trump. In many ways it's understandable. But in other ways I'm horrified that the Fourth Estate has been so easily cowed. 

Here's a place to talk about where and when we are seeing that, when it's understandable, when it seems like hypocrisy, or desperate, or if an outlet doesn't do it, when they seem brave vs. the ones that just seem bitter.  All sides of this issue.

If it were only TV and YouTube, I might have even put this on the General TV board, but it's here because I think newspapers, magazines, blogs, online written content should be looked at too.

For example, I was at a drugstore tonight and one of the papers (pretty sure it was USA Today) talked on the front page about how "analysts say that Melania Trump will be a more traditional First Lady, like Jackie Kennedy".

I kind of almost hurled.  Not just at the notions of Melania being traditional anything,  or how silly it was that this was even front page news (a sidebar admittedly but still front page), but the comparison to Jackie Kennedy. REALLY USA Today?  REALLY?  Ugh. 

I saw part of The View on Wednesday (not today) and to be fair to them... they at least seemed in their accustomed "positions". Whoopie and Joy grumpy about all of this and "keeping an eye on Trump", the two semi-conservatives who still didn't like Trump "hopeful" but not overjoyed, and Candace Cameron babbling on about how sad it made her to see "everyone around me unhappy, but I don't feel the same way". She also asked everyone to pray on it (I am not making this up). 

I suspect that Whoopie and Joy at least won't be pulling their punches, then again if they really don't and we hear about them mysteriously being fired at some point? Well...

Ugh, Really?!  Melania compared to Jackie?!  Not even in the same league.  Melanie, who has Nude Modeling on her resume, and supposedly working for an escort service when she came to America.  Goodness, not even close to Michelle Obama who has been such a terrific 1st Lady: graceful, athletic, fun, stylish, Mom & role model.

[Nidratime]

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Not only ID but also proof of income, SSN card, and proof of residency. For EVERYONE in the household. For a free turkey. 

Getting a free turkey is not a fundamental right. We should be doing everything we can to make it easier for people to vote, not only because it's the right thing to do, but because it's absolutely shameful how many people don't vote now and are being discouraged to do so.

[Duke Silver]

Only 24 hours into my self-imposed exile, just to post this (I'll continue to refrain from editorializing; will only post links to tweets/articles):

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/801235340245827584

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Katy Tur is writing a book

[Kromm]

On 11/20/2016 at 6:51 PM, onthebrink03 said:

^^^^^  "We won. You lost.  Get over it."  They just don't get it or they just don't want to get it.

Go look at some UK forums after Brexit.  Word for word that's what you saw then after that. It makes me suspect the same forces (the Russians?) have some common role behind both events.   Disinformation squads and trolls all leading back to them.  I've seen legit news reports on that possibility too. 

1 hour ago, BuckeyeLou said:

Ugh, Really?!  Melania compared to Jackie?!  Not even in the same league.  Melanie, who has Nude Modeling on her resume, and supposedly working for an escort service when she came to America.  Goodness, not even close to Michelle Obama who has been such a terrific 1st Lady: graceful, athletic, fun, stylish, Mom & role model.

Believe it or not USA Today got there first,  saying 'she will be a more traditional first lady,  like Jackie Kennedy' two or three days after the election. 

[windsprints]

Front page of the NY Daily News. Well, soft serve ice cream is ruined now, lol

[DollEyes]

Three media-related tweets. First, ABC News' political analyst Matthew Dowd, about Trump's meeting with the NY Times:

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"Bravo to [the NT Times] for not going off the record today with Trump. All media should follow suit. Stand firm."

Next, MSNBC's Joy Reid:
 

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"Even now, the bottomless need for adulation from the New York elites who derided [Trump] endures. The narcissism is just staggering."

 Last, but not least, a Thanksgiving-themed tweet from CNN's Ana Navarro:

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"At Miami supermarket:

Her: "What's CNN reporting today?"

Me: "Not much. Obama's pardoning the turkey."

Her: "Trump needs pardoning already?"

Edited November 23, 2016 by DollEyes

[Advance35]

SAAAVVVVAAAGEEE

I just placed a subscription with the NYT and this article is why.   I feel borderline cathartic and though I know nothing about the author, good lord in times like these, he wouldn't even have to buy me dinner first after reading his write up.   Sigh, I think I need a cigarette.   Why can't all journalist be like this guy.

[Duke Silver]

2 hours ago, Advance35 said:

SAAAVVVVAAAGEEE

I just placed a subscription with the NYT and this article is why.   I feel borderline cathartic and though I know nothing about the author, good lord in times like these, he wouldn't even have to buy me dinner first after reading his write up.   Sigh, I think I need a cigarette.   Why can't all journalist be like this guy.

 

THIS NEEDS TO BE SHARED.  I implore people here, please send this link to everyone you know.

[windsprints]

[BuckeyeLou]

On 11/23/2016 at 4:11 PM, DollEyes said:

Three media-related tweets. First, ABC News' political analyst Matthew Dowd, about Trump's meeting with the NY Times:

Next, MSNBC's Joy Reid:
 

 Last, but not least, a Thanksgiving-themed tweet from CNN's Ana Navarro:

LOL...love Ana Navarro!

[potatoradio]

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SAAAVVVVAAAGEEE

I just placed a subscription with the NYT and this article is why.   I feel borderline cathartic and though I know nothing about the author, good lord in times like these, he wouldn't even have to buy me dinner first after reading his write up.   Sigh, I think I need a cigarette.   Why can't all journalist be like this guy.

That was awesome. Thanks for posting the link. And I've shared it. I also noticed that it is the #1 emailed article of the NYT and the comments (500+) were overwhelmingly along the lines of "Thank you" and "preach" and "this is exactly what I needed to hear."

Another journalist added to my must read list. Let's make sure that list keeps growing!

[Jolee]

Couple of thoughts.

MSM no longer reports the News, nor do their "journalists" do in-depth research. I believe this of all Media, not just Left or Right.

It is all about them becoming part of the story, instead of reporting it. I do not need their take on it. I want the who, what, when, how and why....period.

Every article I read or watch, regardless of the source, somehow always has in it, a swipe at Trump. It is getting old...real fast. It is not only the National Media, but Local as well.

It's like every so called reporter ( I no longer call them "Journalists" ) is out to make a name for themselves.

FakeNews is what the rotten bunch has become. Major Corps owning them and forcing their agenda's down our throat's.

Enough is enough, I don't care who they were for, just stop the crap and making a big deal out of every little thing.

Report the damn News, with facts and only true facts.

Next the "Alt-Right", the reports on about the Disgusting White Supremacists....they are not the Alt-Right, they are disgusting pieces of crap. They do NOT represent the majority of those who voted for Trump.

Regardless if you are Left or Right, there will always be fringe groups, that have absolutely nothing to do with the Majority of its base.

Enough with the name calling. It is getting old. I am not a Racist, Facist or any other name, that I have been called. Just because my beliefs and decisions are different then yours.

That is a great thing, we are all different. It would be extremely boring if we all thought and acted exactly alike. IMO

Finally, our Forefathers were very wise men when they setup our Constitution.

They included the Electoral College, so that the places with more Population, didn't get to decide everything.

They gave each State EQUAL say.

There are now 50 States in our Union, plus DC. Each State automatically gets 3 EV. 

The extra EV are then decided by population in a given State and allotted by how many Representatives they have in the House of Representatives. This total is 535.( DC is only one without representation in in the House)

Each and every Citizens Vote does count, but it is within their own State.

HRC got the most Votes in CA, therefore, she won the State and its Electoral Votes.

Trump got the most Votes in OH, so he won the State and its Electoral Votes.

Now CA has a larger Population then Ohio, but each Vote did count.

By some States have larger Populations....the overall Popular Vote will be sometimes be different then the EC Winner.

It is ALL about Checks and Balances. All States with EQUAL say.

We are a Constitutional REPUBLIC, not a true Democracy.

Also Absentee Votes do get counted and included. That is the reason the State's have date by when they have their final counts due.

Provisional Ballots are the ones that may or may not be counted. Each State has their own laws for deciding that.

Provisionals here in Ohio are used if for example, you moved between last time voted and present Election and forgot to change your address. Another would be you are Registered, but for whatever reason, not showing up on the rolls or inaccurate information is on it.

I am also for Voter ID. We pretty much need a ID for everything in life now...banking, work etc. Same should apply for Voting.

Here in Ohio we have different levels of Driver Licenses, as well as photo IDs.

I know some States are allowing anyone, Citizen or not to get DL. But a Citizens DL, should look different then a Non Citizen, to prevent the NON-Factual Citizens from Voting.

Sorry so long...Just my humble opinion.

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone :)

[windsprints]

Donald Trump and the Lawsuit Presidency

Donald Trump's stock in oil pipeline company raises concern

Donald Trump supporters target billionaire investor George Soros over protests

In Scotland, Trump Built a Wall. Then He Sent Residents the Bill.

Donald Trump could make $3 million a year off his own security detail by making them pay rent at Trump Tower

Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say

Edited November 25, 2016 by windsprints

[potatoradio]

My wife reminded me last night of how Jesse Ventura, our MN governor for a few horrid years, insisted that the press wear badges that said, "media jackals." Why? Oh, I dunno, maybe because our local media, which, I'm sorry, in MN, is hardly extremely hard left, kept reporting the stuff he was screwing up and "making him look bad." Maybe it's because you looked like an ignorant, blowhard oaf, guv? But hey, whatever, the point was to humiliate them and try to get them, via bullying and raging, to become nothing but propaganda machines.

It didn't work. And he started his term as a mere total blowhard, but by the end of his term? He was driven insane by the lack of adulation and his moronic decisions not being popular. 

She thinks orange thing isn't capable of thinking of things like the First Amendment. He's only thinking about how to try to control the media and set up humiliation after humiliation and bully or "deal" his way into their treating him like he's the yugest, bigliest success ever. That's why it's so dangerous and why I'm on watch for MSM to play this game. 

Come on, muckrakers. There have to be more of you out there who can figure out how to investigate and dig facts and find sources instead of pontificating over your lattes and kale salads. Step up. 

[dougfir]

Glad I'm not the only one who sees the parallels between DT and Ventura.

In other news:  Judges say Wisconsin legislative boundaries unconstitutional

[Duke Silver]

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/donald-trump-conservative-media-charlie-sykes-214483

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Trump’s victory means that the most extreme and recklessly irresponsible voices on the right now feel emboldened and empowered. And more worrisome than that, they have an ally in the White House. For years, Rush Limbaugh has gibed about what he calls the “state-controlled media”—the fawning liberal news outlets that Limbaugh has long decried for their lack of critical coverage of President Obama—but we may be about to see what one actually looks like—an alt-reality news outlet operating from within 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Edited November 26, 2016 by Duke Silver

[fishcakes]

This guy is making a ton of money off the gullibility of right-wing voters, but at what cost to the country?

We Tracked Down A Fake-News Creator In The Suburbs. Here's What We Learned
 

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When did you notice that fake news does best with Trump supporters?

Well, this isn't just a Trump-supporter problem. This is a right-wing issue. Sarah Palin's famous blasting of the lamestream media is kind of record and testament to the rise of these kinds of people. The post-fact era is what I would refer to it as. This isn't something that started with Trump. This is something that's been in the works for a while. His whole campaign was this thing of discrediting mainstream media sources, which is one of those dog whistles to his supporters. When we were coming up with headlines it's always kind of about the red meat. Trump really got into the red meat. He knew who his base was. He knew how to feed them a constant diet of this red meat.

We've tried to do similar things to liberals. It just has never worked, it never takes off. You'll get debunked within the first two comments and then the whole thing just kind of fizzles out.

Edited November 26, 2016 by fishcakes

[MulletorHater]

20 hours ago, potatoradio said:

My wife reminded me last night of how Jesse Ventura, our MN governor for a few horrid years, insisted that the press wear badges that said, "media jackals." Why? Oh, I dunno, maybe because our local media, which, I'm sorry, in MN, is hardly extremely hard left, kept reporting the stuff he was screwing up and "making him look bad." Maybe it's because you looked like an ignorant, blowhard oaf, guv? But hey, whatever, the point was to humiliate them and try to get them, via bullying and raging, to become nothing but propaganda machines.

It didn't work. And he started his term as a mere total blowhard, but by the end of his term? He was driven insane by the lack of adulation and his moronic decisions not being popular. 

She thinks orange thing isn't capable of thinking of things like the First Amendment. He's only thinking about how to try to control the media and set up humiliation after humiliation and bully or "deal" his way into their treating him like he's the yugest, bigliest success ever. That's why it's so dangerous and why I'm on watch for MSM to play this game. 

Come on, muckrakers. There have to be more of you out there who can figure out how to investigate and dig facts and find sources instead of pontificating over your lattes and kale salads. Step up. 

Jesse Ventura and the Orange Swamp Thing are what happened when people are taken in by celebrities who have no experience whatsoever in government.  The same thing happened in California with the action movie actor, Arnold.  Complete disasters.

And now we're about to have one on a national scale.  I remember how deliberate President Obama was in selecting cabinet members.  Meanwhile the president-select acts as if this is one big reality show where contestants line up to see which one of them can bend over the lowest and compete to give him the most lavish of tongue baths.

[fishcakes]

President Obama's statement on the death of Castro:

And then there's Donald's:

[sistermagpie]

2 hours ago, stewedsquash said:

Not going to link the tweet since there are issues on the site but You stay classy Rosie! Go after a 10 year old child. 

 

Of course, lack of class was a large part of DT's campaign. Political correctness is for people who don't tell it like it is. Even when the kid's 10. Or is this sort of thing okay when the president does it too?

After all, DT suggested that he was more sexually attracted to his 13-year-old daughter than his wife. It's a tough choice between who's being less classy there. I'll go with DT since it's his own daughter he was talking about, and he also said it was okay to call her a piece of ass.

[DollEyes]

Another tweet, this time from the brilliant Charles M. Blow, re Trump's plans to charge the Secret Service to live in Trump Tower:

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"WHAT?!! This man is going to milk us for every penny. Once a money-grubbing social climber, always a money-grubbing social climber...."

[sistermagpie]

1 hour ago, stewedsquash said:

She is being taken to task over the tweet. I don't agree with calling her a pig but the whole What are they ashamed of schtick in the responding tweet has shades of Elizabeth Edwards ridiculous passive aggressive playbook when the later went after the Cheney's daughter.

The larger point, though, is that the time to stand up for treating other people, especially the disabled, women, poc, lgbtbq, etc., with respect and sensitivity was when DT ran a campaign that made the rejection of all that a central appeal. Rosie O’Donnell should apologize to Barron for her Tweet because it was offensive. Trump was offensive throughout his campaign, never apologized, ignores genuine concerns of groups he’s targeted, ignores the many incidents that have happened since the election in his name, was elected and is celebrated for exactly that behavior, but then jumps in to demand the very political correctness he so “refreshingly” trashes whenever he can make himself a victim of it. When somebody’s unconcerned with everything going on around him or in his name but concerned about the rudeness of Rosie O’Donnell...people notice.

[backformore]

On ‎11‎/‎26‎/‎2016 at 10:27 AM, fishcakes said:

President Obama's statement on the death of Castro:

And then there's Donald's:

Wow.   Really illustrates their differences, doesn't it?   I'm gong to miss having Barak Obama in charge. 

[potatoradio]

So I guess Tubby's pretty excited about the death of Castro - I mean, hey, it means maybe he'll get the playbook on how to make "opponents" disappear. That'll be very popular, I'm sure. Meanwhile, I think our local news ran his "doctored" Tweet response and I'm saying, "oh, hell no, that is NOT what he said." 

I have been too spoiled having such an intelligent and dignified and compassionate President for eight years. 

Meanwhile, the top emailed story in the NYT continues to be the Blow column that blasts the idea of "getting along" with Tubby. The comments on that article were over 500 and almost all of them were "way to go" and "preach." 

Listen up, NYT.

[stormy]

trump's immediate knee-jerk reaction to the death of Castro, then later backtrack by one of minions, probably, is precisely why when anyone said he cannot be trusted with the nuclear codes, they were serious.

[AntiBeeSpray]

Just found a good read by Robert Reich about Drumpf and his dislike of the media and the tactics he employs.

Source: robertreich.org

[Duke Silver]

Seriously, this isn't snark:  so which MSM outlets are we considering as mostly uncompromised at this point?  Is it pretty much only the Washington Post?  I ask because it seems like pretty much every other outlet I regularly consume has made the conscious decision to not oppose Trump in any meaningful way (I guess one could say the NYT has been easing back to acting like the free press, but YMMV).

I'm mindful of what Megyn Kelly said about Trump's team having no reservations about cutting deals w/ media outlets, even going so far as to describe scenarios where a given outlet is allowed to present negative Trump news in order to appear objective.  Have I gone off the deep end?  Is MSM more robust than I can sense these days?

I know individual writers/tv personalities are showing some backbone, but as far as entire news organizations, I can't say I'm sure of their commitment to stand up to Trump.