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S02.E06: Hero Complex

thewhiteowl

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mojito

mojito

I thought from the very beginning that the unconscious guy was the hero. 

Ahh, St. Elsewhere. The grandfather of ensemble casts and gritty hospital "reality". Did you know that Dr. Auschlander (Norman Lloyd) is still alive and 101 years old?

Glad Campbell didn't go off the deep end.

Kind of a slow pace tonight, and that was nice. I'd been thinking about the 65 days a year when Angeles Hospital wasn't in Code Black. Should make for an interesting show. Imagine Campbell, Rorish, Mama, and Guthrie playing a few hands of bid whist.

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juliet73

juliet73

6 minutes ago, Netfoot said:

Or, put another way, I knew right away that the hero was the real rapist.

I did too. 

I loved the scene at the end when The Grinder,  I mean Rob Lowe, helped with the assisted suicide. The mother and daughter laying together and the daughter was smiling saying "mommy don't cry."  It was so well done. I was tearing up.  And was the mom Annabeth Gish? 

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Poohbear617

Poohbear617

What pill did rob Lowe give the girl to end her life...I thought it was a beautiful scene. my sister and had to watch helpless as our mothers final days were agonizing and it just seemed so wierd to me to see one simple pill and a peaceful dignified death.

I was also wondering about the assisted suicide act rob Lowe's character was talking about only because we're had to fight a dr. like Campbell to put our mother in hospice care, end her treatment and honor her wishe's in her living will.  is this a new act?

Aliconehead

Aliconehead

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16 hours ago, juliet73 said:

I did too. 

I loved the scene at the end when The Grinder,  I mean Rob Lowe, helped with the assisted suicide. The mother and daughter laying together and the daughter was smiling saying "mommy don't cry."  It was so well done. I was tearing up.  And was the mom Annabeth Gish? 

I knew too.  He was just to into being the hero.  

Yes that was Annabeth Gish

 

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I was also wondering about the assisted suicide act rob Lowe's character was talking about only because we're had to fight a dr. like Campbell to put our mother in hospice care, end her treatment and honor her wishe's in her living will.  is this a new act?

If I am not mistaken this is supposed to be in California, California passed an Assisted Suicide, End of Life Option Act this year.  It went into affect in June

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secnarf

secnarf

8 hours ago, Poohbear617 said:

What pill did rob Lowe give the girl to end her life...I thought it was a beautiful scene. my sister and had to watch helpless as our mothers final days were agonizing and it just seemed so wierd to me to see one simple pill and a peaceful dignified death.

In real life it's not just one pill. It is several. They don't make pills in lethal dosage forms, for obvious reasons, and we use a combination of medications for assisted suicide. Usually a barbiturate and/or opioid, as well as some anti-nausea medications so you don't vomit everything up. The medications are available and used for other things in lower dosages, there is nothing really special about them.

At least, that's how it works where I live.

Anyways, I haven't watched this show since the season premiere and therefore didn't see the scene you're referring to, but if they just showed her taking a single pill and dying, that's pretty unrealistic.

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cali1981

cali1981

I love this show.  It hits a lot of key social issues wrapped in a medical show drama. The cast is excellent and Rob Lowe has been a fantastic addition to the ensemble.  I've had to sit helplessly while a loved one's vital signs dropped to zero and the monitors were shut off.  The pain of that moment will always be with me and even though the assisted suicide scene was not the same circumstance,  the end result was and I was in tears watching it. The young actress,  Annabeth Gish  and Rob Lowe struck the perfect notes in playing out the scene. 

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cali1981

cali1981

19 hours ago, kwnyc said:

An unrealistic medical procedure on THIS show? Color me amazed.

I think that you're missing the point here.  Whether the exact method that was used to bring death was accurate or not is not the issue.  In real life would a lay person be administering the drugs? Of course not but it was the gut wrenching experience of a mother honoring her child's wishes and ultimately being the one to help her leave her suffering behind that mattered even if was only by being there for her that mattered.

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secnarf

secnarf

4 hours ago, cali1981 said:

I think that you're missing the point here.  Whether the exact method that was used to bring death was accurate or not is not the issue.  In real life would a lay person be administering the drugs? Of course not but it was the gut wrenching experience of a mother honoring her child's wishes and ultimately being the one to help her leave her suffering behind that mattered even if was only by being there for her that mattered.

Actually, this is one part that's not unrealistic. There are kits that people can take home to die. It doesn't have to be a medical professional administering the drugs.

But yeah, since the initial sarcastic comment about unrealistic procedures was directed at my previous comment - since the person I was replying to was asking an honest question about the procedure, I was answering it. It doesn't matter that the show is full of unrealistic things. The point is that this specific instance was unrealistic, and not everybody watching knew that.

secnarf

secnarf

2 hours ago, Netfoot said:

I can't answer for sure, but a "lay person" administers a lethal injection, because the Hippocratic Oath prevents a doctor from doing so.  So...

The Hippocratic Oath does not prevent a doctor from doing so. Doctors can administer lethal injections if the patient is in hospital. It lies in how the doctor interprets 'doing harm'. You could argue that not administering the lethal cocktail to a person is doing harm also. However, doctors are also not obliged to assist their patient in dying in any way if it conflicts with their own beliefs, they just have to make sure the patient has access to another person who can assist them.

Where I live/work, we have a few options - there is an "injection kit" which is usually done with a doctor/nurse's assistance in administering the medications, for people in hospital or who can't take oral medications for whatever reason, and then there are some kits with oral medications - pills or liquids - that people can take home and take themselves. Within each group, there are different 'backbones' that could be used, to give options depending on the patient's situation and preferences.

Netfoot

Netfoot

According to Wikipedia (which claims to be quoting the AMA):

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The American Medical Association believes that a physician's opinion on capital punishment is a personal decision. Since the AMA is founded on preserving life, they argue that a doctor "should not be a participant" in executions in any professional capacity with the exception of "certifying death, provided that the condemned has been declared dead by another person" and "relieving the acute suffering of a condemned person while awaiting execution".[53] Amnesty International argues that the AMA's position effectively "prohibits doctors from participating in executions." The AMA, however, does not have the authority to prohibit doctors from participation in lethal injection, nor does it have the authority to revoke medical licenses, since this is the responsibility of the individual states.

Typically, most states do not require that physicians administer the drugs for lethal injection, but many states do require that physicians be present to pronounce or certify death.

Make of this what you will.

secnarf

secnarf

Sorry for the confusion - I thought we were speaking about assisted suicide, which is what happened in the episode. "Lethal injection" doesn't necessarily mean capital punishment, especially to someone like me who has never lived in a place where capital punishment happens. I'm not sure what doctors' involvement in capital punishment has to do with assisted suicide?

howiveaddict

howiveaddict

The doctor who was in a coma, (sorry bad with names)  should sue the hospital for not finding out his paralysis when he was in a coma.  That would have   been determined on initial MRIs to determine if there was spinal injury. That's why they use a back board to transport people.  If his spine was unstable all this time, the staff could have fractured his spinal cord with just ordinary turning him. He would not have been kept flat on his back.  He would have bed sores if they had. Also, why would his dad not want his spine stabilize when they found the fracture.  Didn't make any sense at all since he wanted to be the most aggressive previously.   More bad medicine on this show!

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