S02.E06: Pod Wars

[Tara Ariano]

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Chaos erupts when two pod bosses threaten the safety of three participants.

[placate]

Are they really trying to purport the crack sticks as the heavy usage drug going on in the upper pods?  Nicotine can give you a buzz for like a few seconds, I thought they were smoking joints which would actually get them high but it's just nicotine.  Smoking them like that instead of the e-cig is just stupid.  It's going to wreck their lungs worse than actual cigarettes.  Combining the plastic part of the e-cig and tampon paper with harmful ink on it is going to cause a lot of smoke and will taste like shit, but it will NOT get anyone high.  I don't get why Ashleigh is struggling so hard with addiction unless it's scripted or she wants the worse cigarette of her life. At least the c and d pods added coffee to their crack sticks last season.

E-cigs would last longer and they're wasting their money making crack sticks.  From what it sounds like is that they're using the disposable e-cigs and charging 10 dollars a piece.  One disposable e-cig would last for a few days but combining it with the plastic tip and tampon paper is just going to burn it up and waste 10 dollars.  Seriously, if I was in jail I'd just go with the 21 mg nicotine patch and an e-cig instead of wasting money.  (Disclaimer: Currently quitting smoking with a patch and e-cig, kinda ranted)

The editing is also pretty bad.  They showed Bryan being sexually harassed the first episode he went into jail, now seven episodes later and I'm suppose to care?  All he seems to have done is laid down in bed with a blanket on his head while the other inmates tested him.  I'm also in agreement with potential rape guy that eating grilled cheese with a spork is a faux pas.  Bryan needs out of his cocoon and realize where he is.

[nlkm9]

Im still floored that Ashleigh left her son while she was still breast feeding. wow.

I wish Chris would come back...I dont understand why there wasnt a jail infirmary they could take him to, rather than a hotel. 

Ryan....this seasons Robert. everytime I look at him Im hear him saying "Im a white collar criminal". lol

[Brooklynista]

Was Brian's only plan to go in the pod and sleep for 60 days? That blanket will not save you.

Edited September 16, 2016 by Brooklynista
Ryan and Brian are two different people

[Neurochick]

I think they took Chris to a hotel because if he were in the infirmary, they'd determine that nothing was wrong with him and send him back.  From what I saw, Chris had serious anxiety, but I doubt that this jail would consider anxiety an illness. 

The editing with Brian was strange because they showed us that in the first episode, even though Brian didn't enter the jail until much later than the others.  I guess the Brian issue was the "draw" to get people to keep watching.

I thought what Sheckles did was interesting to stop a potential race riot.  He paid some white inmates to beat up the guy he was having a beef with, then told him to leave the pod, or else he'd keep kicking the shit out of him. 

I too don't get why Ashleigh left her infant while she was still breastfeeding?  I mean WTF did she think was going to happen?  I think it's interesting that many of the women are in jail for drugs; well, it's understandable because drug addiction is treated as a crime instead of a health problem, especially if you're poor.

Edited September 16, 2016 by Neurochick

[Primetimer]

And other crack-stick-esque questions smoldering enough to make you 'feel like you're coughing blood.'

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[Neurochick]

^^^^^

I agree.  Sheckles 2016.  He'd have Putin pissing in his pants. 

Edited September 16, 2016 by Neurochick

[RedheadZombie]

12 hours ago, nlkm9 said:

Im still floored that Ashleigh left her son while she was still breast feeding. wow.

I wish Chris would come back...I dont understand why there wasnt a jail infirmary they could take him to, rather than a hotel. 

Ryan....this seasons Robert. everytime I look at him Im hear him saying "Im a white collar criminal". lol

Obviously I don't know Ashleigh or Zac, but I wonder if he pushed her to do it for money.  I know everyone loved him last season, but I didn't really get it.  It started when he described his wife as having "a checkered past", which is full of negative connotations.  It didn't sound like he understood the first thing about addiction, and it sounded pretty judgmental.  And the way he was so excited last episode about unregulated overtime and potentially making $100,000, as if the money is the only reason he wants to be a CO (who ever thought that could be said about the occupation?).

With each episode I watch, I'm completely shocked that the sheriff doesn't abruptly shut down this project.  The level of incompetence is mind boggling.  And we've now seen two bungled medical emergencies, ineffectual, incompetent, and disinterested COs, and harassment and drug use that's treated as a simple fact of life.  I love when the participants are warned they'll be punished if they break a law.  Yeah, right.  They'd be the only ones held accountable, that's for sure.

[Toaster Strudel]

I like Ryan now.  I agree that he probably knows what goes on in the jail more than Maples does.  He is both cynical, calculating and cunning.  I enjoy his confidence.

[Pherber]

12 minutes ago, Toaster Strudel said:

I like Ryan now.  I agree that he probably knows what goes on in the jail more than Maples does.  He is both cynical, calculating and cunning.  I enjoy his confidence.

I like him too.  I honestly don't think it was a big deal that he helped the other inmate set his finger.  I also agree that he knows more about what's going on in that jail than Maples and Noel do.  They were bragging at the beginning of the very first season of this show/experiment about how many cameras they had installed.  But now they're totally contradicting themselves by claiming that the cameras are "antiquated."  I would NOT trust those two with my life.  I feel sorry for some of the inmates who are bullied and/or ill.  I don't understand why the COs don't even come around every 30 minutes at random to do a simple headcount or something.  I'd go crazy in there - no windows to see what the weather looks like outside, no work detail to stay busy, just cooped up like animals all day and night, and feeling scared and unsafe.  Yes, I know some of these people have done terrible things, but their crimes range from really low misdemeanors to attempted murder.  Scary.   

[Quilt Fairy]

3 hours ago, Pherber said:

 I honestly don't think it was a big deal that he helped the other inmate set his finger.

Especially considering the standard of medical care we've seen that the jail offers.

[candall]

Well, this was quite the revealing episode . . . about the pathetic state of Clark County Jail.

When the episode first started, I thought:  Why am I even watching all this drama, when the simple act of putting a guard in a chair at the door of each pod would solve everything?  Then I find out they only have two people on staff all night, overseeing 300 inmates, and one of them has to be based in front of the monitor, flipping and scanning one pod after another?

ALL those cameras they were so proud of installing, "for the safety of the show participants," but they forgot to get a monitor that could display more than one image at a time?  That's ridiculous.

As is the nurse, peeking in through a crack in the door for a consultation.

As are the guards, looking down at an insensate inmate, and shrugging:  Duuuh, dunno.

 

And then there's the total lack of distraction or occupation--even a gerbil will start to mutilate his own tail, if he doesn't have an exercise wheel or at least a piece of wood to gnaw on.

FFS, throw a few volleyballs in there.

[Pherber]

3 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Especially considering the standard of medical care we've seen that the jail offers.

It's infuriating.  I always thought that the guards would be trained in CPR and basic life-saving and care assessment skills.  It was frightening to see them just stand there watching as those two inmates took care of the poor guy who had the seizure.  No wonder you read about people dying in jail, or committing suicide.  It looks like the inmates pretty much have the run of the place.  

I felt bad for the guy who kept getting beat up, and how the guards had gone into that pod twice, but did nothing.  Again, I feel like an idiot for assuming that COs should be observant.  It didn't take a genius to notice that guy's face was battered and bruised both times they went in there.  I suppose they just took his word that he "fell" and didn't investigate.  I wonder what exactly the COs do if they are too busy to do anything for anybody.  They aren't the least bit perceptive, always running to the wrong rooms and such.  Yet, Maples and Noel act like they're fully aware of each inmate and their background, but I think they've gleaned any info they have from the cameras and fake it.  If they shot the current season after receiving feedback from the first season's participants, then they did a piss poor job of using that intel. 

[SunshineOnMe]

Not to mention how good are the cameras when everything takes place in the back room behind a shower curtain the jail was so nice to hang up?

[zipbags]

Why is Ashleigh on this show?  She is a former drug addict...now in a prison filled with drug users.  Also leaving her baby.

[Radicalred]

51 minutes ago, zipbags said:

Why is Ashleigh on this show?  She is a former drug addict...now in a prison filled with drug users.  Also leaving her baby.

She's Zac's wife and because he was so popular last season, A&E used her to keep the ratings up. It's not working because she's insufferable.  Who leaves their nursing baby to run off to jail for money? What did she think was going to happen when she left little Ryker's Island?  Didn't she realize she wasn't going to be able to nurse him while she was in there?

On 9/16/2016 at 7:08 AM, nlkm9 said:

I wish Chris would come back...I dont understand why there wasnt a jail infirmary they could take him to, rather than a hotel. 

I think Chris was geniunely sick (dope sick) and the sheriff realized he wasn't a good risk.  Dion said that the guy coming in with him was detoxing, and that guy was Chris.

[Neurochick]

I am not surprised this is going on in this jail.  In order to hire more CO's you need money, tax money, and these days nobody wants their taxes raised.  

Higher taxes are a pain in the ass, but you also pay for services, like more CO's in the jails.  What's bad about this jail is that the inmates are actually innocent; they're in there because they didn't have enough money to make bail, or because they were denied bail.  Many of the women are in jail because of drugs, not surprising since we treat drug addiction like a crime instead of a health problem.

1 hour ago, zipbags said:

Why is Ashleigh on this show?  She is a former drug addict...now in a prison filled with drug users.  Also leaving her baby.

Probably $$$ and reality show fame.  

[Quilt Fairy]

19 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

 What's bad about this jail is that the inmates are actually innocent;

They may not be convicted of a crime, that is not the same thing as innocent. Also, I was under the impression that jails typically hold people who have been convicted of a crime but have sentences of less than one year. So they may be mixed in together.

It doesn't make the place any less of a shit-hole, however.

Edited September 17, 2016 by Quilt Fairy

[candall]

31 minutes ago, SunshineOnMe said:

Not to mention how good are the cameras when everything takes place in the back room behind a shower curtain the jail was so nice to hang up?

"Skeckles would like to talk.  He's waiting for you behind the beatdown curtain."

"Okay.  Be right there."

***********

Has Brian been going behind the curtain to use the facilities--in spite of everyone gunning for his quote "a****** "?  That's brave.  I might poop myself in the public room.

Bless his heart, I know he chose that spot in the wide open spaces so he'd be visible to the camera (HA! little did he know) but he looks so freaked out and vulnerable there.  I've made a mental note for possible incarceration:  try to get a corner and reduce the approach zone to 90 degrees.

[Quilt Fairy]

3 hours ago, candall said:

I've made a mental note for possible incarceration:  try to get a corner and reduce the approach zone to 90 degrees.

I'm reminded of some advice a friend once gave me on how to avoid being mugged on the subway: "Start talking to yourself and act as crazy as possible."  I think that would work here, too.

[Neurochick]

17 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

They may not be convicted of a crime, that is not the same thing as innocent. Also, I was under the impression that jails typically hold people who have been convicted of a crime but have sentences of less than one year. So they may be mixed in together.

At the beginning of the show they say all inmates are innocent until proven guilty, I believe.  

Are inmates who have actually been found guilty in the same area with those who haven't been tried yet?

Re: The curtain.  I think the issue may be that it's an invasion of privacy to record inmates using the bathroom, hence the curtain.

Edited September 18, 2016 by Neurochick

[RedheadZombie]

The curtain seems to invite beatings, rape, and drug use.  They could set a rule stating one inmate at a time per bathroom, but since they enforce nothing, that's pointless.  The part that boggles my mind is the pod bosses.  The entire system not only tolerates it, they seem to encourage it.  I'm surprised the COs don't consult with the pod bosses when making the few decisions they do make.  "So what is your recommendation, Mr. Sheckles?  May I go now, sir?  Let me kiss your ring, and walk backwards to the door in reverence."

I think it's inexcusable to provide no AA or NA.  Most of that is done entirely through volunteerism, so the only thing required would be a place to meet, and the staff to escort the inmates.  One of the things that surprises me the most is there seems to be no system to earn things.  Any parent realizes the simplest way to encourage positive behavior is to take away privileges as a punishment.  These people seemingly have nothing to lose.  How hard would it be to allow recreation daily?  Once a week for an hour, with no direct sunlight?  Not only does that further dehumanize people, it results in serious vitamin D deficiency.  SAD is a real thing, and I bet these people would abide by a score of rules to earn exposure to sunlight.

I realize it's not a big deal for those parked in the jail until bonded out, but people live there for months.  And what it ends up being is the housing of the poor, and primarily POC.  Which if I'm honest with myself, is probably why it's allowed to continue.  And the simple fact that the sheriff has no problem with allowing this to be shown to the world, shows me how out of touch he is.  Where's the outrage?  Where's the call for reform?  I said this before, but I hope the suicide attempter sues for all they've got.  I hope the seizure man does, too.  For every second his seizure was left untreated, there was a greater possibility of permanent brain damage.

And I really want to know how the sheriff allocated the funds earned from this show.  Increased staff?  Improved camera technology?  Improvement of quality of life for the inmates?  Bonuses for himself and his deputies?  I'm increasingly convinced the whole thing is a simple money grab for the county.

[Neurochick]

17 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

I realize it's not a big deal for those parked in the jail until bonded out, but people live there for months.  And what it ends up being is the housing of the poor, and primarily POC.  Which if I'm honest with myself, is probably why it's allowed to continue.  And the simple fact that the sheriff has no problem with allowing this to be shown to the world, shows me how out of touch he is.  Where's the outrage?  Where's the call for reform?  I said this before, but I hope the suicide attempter sues for all they've got.  I hope the seizure man does, too.  For every second his seizure was left untreated, there was a greater possibility of permanent brain damage.

And I really want to know how the sheriff allocated the funds earned from this show.  Increased staff?  Improved camera technology?  Improvement of quality of life for the inmates?  Bonuses for himself and his deputies?  I'm increasingly convinced the whole thing is a simple money grab for the county.

In this particular jail, most of the people look to be white, but I am sure most of them are poor and unable to bond out.  That was why they were suspicious of Brian, he looked middle class to them and they couldn't figure out why he didn't bond out.  

But I too wonder where the funds from this show are going.  I'm sure the county is receiving funds from A&E, where's the money?

[Radicalred]

1 hour ago, Neurochick said:

In this particular jail, most of the people look to be white, but I am sure most of them are poor and unable to bond out.  That was why they were suspicious of Brian, he looked middle class to them and they couldn't figure out why he didn't bond out.  

But I too wonder where the funds from this show are going.  I'm sure the county is receiving funds from A&E, where's the money?

Maybe Deputy Dipshit used the money to get that ugly sleeve tattoo?

Edited September 18, 2016 by Radicalred
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[SunshineOnMe]

Maybe they should hang the curtain waist down, if it's needed for legal reasons. 

Ay yi yi yi.

[kassa]

On 9/16/2016 at 8:10 PM, RedheadZombie said:

 With each episode I watch, I'm completely shocked that the sheriff doesn't abruptly shut down this project.  The level of incompetence is mind boggling.  And we've now seen two bungled medical emergencies, ineffectual, incompetent, and disinterested COs, and harassment and drug use that's treated as a simple fact of life.  

The only charitable take I can have on it is that he's been fighting for funding and denied at every turn, so this is a way of putting everything he's been complaining about on blast so that people demand change.  I no longer believe that, but it was a quasi rational explanation for a while.

On 9/17/2016 at 8:03 PM, candall said:

I've made a mental note for possible incarceration:  try to get a corner and reduce the approach zone to 90 degrees.

Ah, but then you've also cut off most of your escape routes!  

Half the COs look like the local high school AV club. And yet when they come in, everybody scatters and simmers down.  Certainly nobody is physically afraid of them, but they are afraid of SOMEthing, or they'd just break them like twigs and walk out.  And they don't.

Brian should have just walked out.  And I say that as somebody who thought Robert and the milquetoast wannabe CO from last season were great big chickens.  Yes, I know he has his pride, but he also has the brains and language skills to say "You know what?  You people aren't running a jail.  You're not running ANYthing.  I joined this program with a certain expectation that you guys had at least a minimal control of the situation, but you don't.  The predators are in charge and there wasn't a chance in hell that anything would be done if and when they decided to do more than threaten me, and you have more than enough evidence to show that and work on it, so consider me gone."

[Neurochick]

10 minutes ago, kassa said:

Brian should have just walked out.  And I say that as somebody who thought Robert and the milquetoast wannabe CO from last season were great big chickens.  Yes, I know he has his pride, but he also has the brains and language skills to say "You know what?  You people aren't running a jail.  You're not running ANYthing.  I joined this program with a certain expectation that you guys had at least a minimal control of the situation, but you don't.  The predators are in charge and there wasn't a chance in hell that anything would be done if and when they decided to do more than threaten me, and you have more than enough evidence to show that and work on it, so consider me gone."

I agree.  I'm surprised that he's stuck it out this long.  The inmates are running the asylum and Brian has no reason to stay and deal with that mess. 

[candall]

1 hour ago, kassa said:

The only charitable take I can have on it is that he's been fighting for funding and denied at every turn, so this is a way of putting everything he's been complaining about on blast so that people demand change.  I no longer believe that, but it was a quasi rational explanation for a while.

Hmm, that's interesting.  I might take up the banner.

The sheriff doesn't seem crafty or slick enough to devise a "long game" that complex, but . . . maybe!  You KNOW everyone in Clark County is glued to this show--and how could anyone possibly watch it without concluding, "Well, this whole situation is beyond fucked up."

I read an article in the Louisville, KY (nearby?) Courier-Journal that said nine staffers quit or were terminated for "negligence" and/or "use of excessive force" after Season One.  Even if that's grossly exaggerated, it looks like the show was the jumping off point for a little housecleaning.  It's possible the poor-mouthing in the last episode--only two CO's per night shift?!--might serve to pry a little more cash out of the Clark County coffers.

Edited September 19, 2016 by candall

[Pherber]

On September 17, 2016 at 10:41 PM, Quilt Fairy said:

I'm reminded of some advice a friend once gave me on how to avoid being mugged on the subway: "Start talking to yourself and act as crazy as possible."  I think that would work here, too.

Excellent advice.  I'd also practice making "Manson eyes" in the mirror.  

[Christina]

I read an interview with the Sheriff after the first season, too, and he said then that they had to fire some, retrain others, and there were still administrative procedures going on regarding some others. He also said that, based on Maryum's suggestion, they got an NA group together, because they only had AA. 

With all of those new cameras, but no way to monitor them all live at the same time, it seems like they could have someone scroll through the tapes and discipline those who are caught on camera. All the fights aren't behind the curtain.

[ZoloftBlob]

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I felt bad for the guy who kept getting beat up, and how the guards had gone into that pod twice, but did nothing.  Again, I feel like an idiot for assuming that COs should be observant.  It didn't take a genius to notice that guy's face was battered and bruised both times they went in there.  I suppose they just took his word that he "fell" and didn't investigate.

I just want to throw a qualification here. Correct, it doesn't take a genius to guess that the person with the battered and bruised face was beaten up but he's saying "I fell" to the guards because snitches get stitches and are the guards supposed to beat a confession out of him?

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At the beginning of the show they say all inmates are innocent until proven guilty, I believe.  

Are inmates who have actually been found guilty in the same area with those who haven't been tried yet?

The show is likely required to say "all inmates are innocent until proven guilty" in this jail scenario because they don't have any way of picking out the ones waiting on charges from the already sentenced.

And yes, certainly in my local jail, inmates who are awaiting trial are housed with already found guilty inmates

[SunshineOnMe]

I just watched the first look. Honestly, I don't know if I can "stomach" the show any more. 

Spoiler

One of the inmates is judged guilty by inmate court and sentenced to 40 lashes given by two different inmates. The scream he gives as he gets the first one almost made me cry. I'll admit I'm sensitive, but this is just torture. Yes, it took place behind the jail provided curtain.

[CoachWristletJen]

I always felt like the "investigation" was bogus. The show is about putting innocents in prison and creating drama. Period.

It's also a fascinating expose of prison life ~ in spite of the producers' manipulations.

In many jails, the guard station is in the middle of the pod. So, they see everything. All the time. That simple solution would stop prisoners from running around naked and intimidating newcomers. And, they might actually have a clue as to what's going on in there.

Sheckles is amazing.

[nlkm9]

call me judgey mcjudgey...cant beleive Ashlieigh left her infant while she was breastfeeding, and hard to beleive anyone (Im looking at you Sheri, Zac, Brian, etc) would put themselves at risk when they have children at home. I just dont get it. which leads me to conclude either this is all fake and there is no danger, or people will do anything for perceived fame or money.

[Stugots]

Regarding Daffron
http://www.newsandtribune.com/news/new-albany-man-charged-in-clarksville-attempted-murder/article_054374b6-e458-11e4-95a2-078503d815ea.html

He's not method acting, he's a genuine piece of shite.

[Christina]

That article was posted on April 16, 2015, and lists his age at 29. I would have put him at 40, minimum. Evilness much age you. In the next episode, his sociopathy is shown in more detail. That man gets pleasure out of hurting others.  

[SheTalksShit]

On September 16, 2016 at 3:56 AM, placate said:

Are they really trying to purport the crack sticks as the heavy usage drug going on in the upper pods?  Nicotine can give you a buzz for like a few seconds, I thought they were smoking joints which would actually get them high but it's just nicotine.  Smoking them like that instead of the e-cig is just stupid.  It's going to wreck their lungs worse than actual cigarettes.  Combining the plastic part of the e-cig and tampon paper with harmful ink on it is going to cause a lot of smoke and will taste like shit, but it will NOT get anyone high.  I don't get why Ashleigh is struggling so hard with addiction unless it's scripted or she wants the worse cigarette of her life. At least the c and d pods added coffee to their crack sticks last season.

E-cigs would last longer and they're wasting their money making crack sticks.  From what it sounds like is that they're using the disposable e-cigs and charging 10 dollars a piece.  One disposable e-cig would last for a few days but combining it with the plastic tip and tampon paper is just going to burn it up and waste 10 dollars.  Seriously, if I was in jail I'd just go with the 21 mg nicotine patch and an e-cig instead of wasting money.  (Disclaimer: Currently quitting smoking with a patch and e-cig, kinda ranted)

The editing is also pretty bad.  They showed Bryan being sexually harassed the first episode he went into jail, now seven episodes later and I'm suppose to care?  All he seems to have done is laid down in bed with a blanket on his head while the other inmates tested him.  I'm also in agreement with potential rape guy that eating grilled cheese with a spork is a faux pas.  Bryan needs out of his cocoon and realize where he is.

I don't think Daffron had any intention of raping him lol. I think he's just a bored, immature bully who was doing it to get under Brian's skin and to amuse himself. 

[SheTalksShit]

On September 16, 2016 at 3:56 AM, placate said:

Are they really trying to purport the crack sticks as the heavy usage drug going on in the upper pods?  Nicotine can give you a buzz for like a few seconds, I thought they were smoking joints which would actually get them high but it's just nicotine.  Smoking them like that instead of the e-cig is just stupid.  It's going to wreck their lungs worse than actual cigarettes.  Combining the plastic part of the e-cig and tampon paper with harmful ink on it is going to cause a lot of smoke and will taste like shit, but it will NOT get anyone high.  I don't get why Ashleigh is struggling so hard with addiction unless it's scripted or she wants the worse cigarette of her life. At least the c and d pods added coffee to their crack sticks last season.

E-cigs would last longer and they're wasting their money making crack sticks.  From what it sounds like is that they're using the disposable e-cigs and charging 10 dollars a piece.  One disposable e-cig would last for a few days but combining it with the plastic tip and tampon paper is just going to burn it up and waste 10 dollars.  Seriously, if I was in jail I'd just go with the 21 mg nicotine patch and an e-cig instead of wasting money.  (Disclaimer: Currently quitting smoking with a patch and e-cig, kinda ranted)

The editing is also pretty bad.  They showed Bryan being sexually harassed the first episode he went into jail, now seven episodes later and I'm suppose to care?  All he seems to have done is laid down in bed with a blanket on his head while the other inmates tested him.  I'm also in agreement with potential rape guy that eating grilled cheese with a spork is a faux pas.  Bryan needs out of his cocoon and realize where he is.

I don't think Daffron had any intention of raping him lol. I think he's just a bored, immature bully who was doing it to get under Brian's skin and to amuse himself. 

[SheTalksShit]

On September 16, 2016 at 3:56 AM, placate said:

Are they really trying to purport the crack sticks as the heavy usage drug going on in the upper pods?  Nicotine can give you a buzz for like a few seconds, I thought they were smoking joints which would actually get them high but it's just nicotine.  Smoking them like that instead of the e-cig is just stupid.  It's going to wreck their lungs worse than actual cigarettes.  Combining the plastic part of the e-cig and tampon paper with harmful ink on it is going to cause a lot of smoke and will taste like shit, but it will NOT get anyone high.  I don't get why Ashleigh is struggling so hard with addiction unless it's scripted or she wants the worse cigarette of her life. At least the c and d pods added coffee to their crack sticks last season.

E-cigs would last longer and they're wasting their money making crack sticks.  From what it sounds like is that they're using the disposable e-cigs and charging 10 dollars a piece.  One disposable e-cig would last for a few days but combining it with the plastic tip and tampon paper is just going to burn it up and waste 10 dollars.  Seriously, if I was in jail I'd just go with the 21 mg nicotine patch and an e-cig instead of wasting money.  (Disclaimer: Currently quitting smoking with a patch and e-cig, kinda ranted)

The editing is also pretty bad.  They showed Bryan being sexually harassed the first episode he went into jail, now seven episodes later and I'm suppose to care?  All he seems to have done is laid down in bed with a blanket on his head while the other inmates tested him.  I'm also in agreement with potential rape guy that eating grilled cheese with a spork is a faux pas.  Bryan needs out of his cocoon and realize where he is.

I don't think Daffron had any intention of raping him lol. I think he's just a bored, immature bully who was doing it to get under Brian's skin and to amuse himself. 

[Neurochick]

12 hours ago, nlkm9 said:

call me judgey mcjudgey...cant beleive Ashlieigh left her infant while she was breastfeeding, and hard to beleive anyone (Im looking at you Sheri, Zac, Brian, etc) would put themselves at risk when they have children at home. I just dont get it. which leads me to conclude either this is all fake and there is no danger, or people will do anything for perceived fame or money.

Fixed that for you.

I don't think the inmates are faking anything.  At all.

If you want to really be scared, watch the show that comes on AFTER this one, "Behind Bars:  Rookie Year."  Rookie CO's in a New Mexico prison. 

Here's how I see this shit.  I think these jails need more CO's, but in order to do that, you need money, and in order to get the money, taxes need to be raised and no one wants that.  One of the CO's on the "Behind Bars" show said, "Why should I risk my life when I'm not even making $60 an hour (maybe he said $16 an hour, I'm not sure).  And that's a good point.  So many of the rookies on the other show say that being a CO is the best job they can get.  One young woman said she was working in a supermarket before she became a CO.  That's a reality for a lot of people.  My friend's husband worked in construction, he made good money, but no pension in that line of work; she has health problems so she can't get a pension either.  A few years ago, in his forties, he decided to become a CO and made it.  That's the reason he's doing that job and that's the reason most of them are doing it; it may be the best job where they live.

[Lion18]

Yes Behind Bars Rookie years in an excellent scary view of prison

at the end of 60 days episode it was I think Mona Lisa who said she has seen marijuana and crushed up pills. But why are they just showing us the crack stick

it has to be more or ex addict Ashleigh wouldn't be tempted- as she said

i think there are many problems in Ashleigh and Zac,s marriage. Also she looks very young like age 20

[Neurochick]

I wonder if Zac feels that he "saved" Ashleigh by marrying her.  That he "saved that poor girl from a life of addiction and whatever comes with it." 

[SheTalksShit]

On September 19, 2016 at 2:51 PM, kassa said:

The only charitable take I can have on it is that he's been fighting for funding and denied at every turn, so this is a way of putting everything he's been complaining about on blast so that people demand change.  I no longer believe that, but it was a quasi rational explanation for a while.

Ah, but then you've also cut off most of your escape routes!  

Half the COs look like the local high school AV club. And yet when they come in, everybody scatters and simmers down.  Certainly nobody is physically afraid of them, but they are afraid of SOMEthing, or they'd just break them like twigs and walk out.  And they don't.

Brian should have just walked out.  And I say that as somebody who thought Robert and the milquetoast wannabe CO from last season were great big chickens.  Yes, I know he has his pride, but he also has the brains and language skills to say "You know what?  You people aren't running a jail.  You're not running ANYthing.  I joined this program with a certain expectation that you guys had at least a minimal control of the situation, but you don't.  The predators are in charge and there wasn't a chance in hell that anything would be done if and when they decided to do more than threaten me, and you have more than enough evidence to show that and work on it, so consider me gone."

Brian didn't do much to help his cause, though. He acted nervous and weak from the beginning, when 1 guy joked, "Are you an undercover reporter?" and he awkwardly bumbled, "uh, sure, yeah, whatever..." he shoulda laughed and said, "I wish!" or something. and he shoulda gotten in the inmates faces when they tried touching him to get under his skin...not hit them, but gotten in their face. he's a big enough guy that his physical size would scare them off. or, if 1 of them hit him first, then he'd be free to hit back. 

Not that I think the bullying was appropriate, but I'm just saying - Ryan's smart, too, and the inmates aren't fucking with him the way they did with Brian. 

on another note, I like Ryan. I know he's kind of a cocky douchebag that's overly impressed with himself, but he's entertaining and articulate and gives good insight into the context behind the happenings inside the jail. And I liked that he fixed Garza's broken hand, that was cool. 

Edited September 23, 2016 by SheTalksShit

[bethster]

I like Ryan, too.  He may be a bit smarmy at times, but I think he has a good grasp of pod politics and is doing surprisingly well with fitting in and getting accepted by the others.  He obviously gives a lot of thought to what goes on there and has a lot of interesting things to say.

[Juuey]

Dafforon story is TRUE
http://www.newsandtribune.com/news/new-albany-man-charged-in-clarksville-attempted-murder/article_054374b6-e458-11e4-95a2-078503d815ea.html