The Star Wars Saga

[Kel Varnsen]

18 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Rouge One was great but, I still have no desire to rewatch it. The Force Awakens was good but, relied mostly on member berries plus I hated that they broke up Han/Lei and that Han died (I know it's what Harrison Ford wanted but, it still sucked). The Last Jedi sucked, IMO none of it made sense when you think about the plot, it just relies on characters being stupid to make the plot move forward.  It destroyed Luke's character, killed Akbar as an after thought and seemed to go out of it's way to shit on the longtime fans. I know not every long-term fan feels that way but, this one does. Rise of Skywalker was hampered by trying to fix the shit that was TLJ and ending the series.  

I know the EU books went off the rails long after I stopped reading and I never liked Mara Jade but at this point just give Feloni the Zahn Trilogy and we can have animated Sequels that are good and the way the sequel story should have been, IMO.

The sequels weren't great but I am not sure Filoni's stuff is much better. Since Mandalorian season one show he has worked on in that storyline have been on a downward trend. Plus as much as much as The Force Awakens was like "remember the original trilogy" his shows are like "remember that cartoon I made like 10 years ago".

[Morrigan2575]

1 hour ago, Kel Varnsen said:

The sequels weren't great but I am not sure Filoni's stuff is much better. Since Mandalorian season one show he has worked on in that storyline have been on a downward trend. Plus as much as much as The Force Awakens was like "remember the original trilogy" his shows are like "remember that cartoon I made like 10 years ago".

Feloni's animated stuff is really good, loved Clone Wars, Rebels and, The Bad Batch.  As for remember that cartoon i made, pretty sure Rebels and Bad Batch were sequels to The Clone Wars, we'll Bad Batch most definitely was a sequel,  I believe Rebels was as well and I wouldn't say it's memberberries so much as continuing the same universe.

Ahsoka was a mid-level series, a few interesting characters and moments, loved everything with Anakin especially the flashback to Mandalore but, there were changes and characters i didn't like. However,  it's kind of obvious that's pretty much a Rebels S5 or Rebels reboot.

 

[Morrigan2575]

11 hours ago, Anduin said:

Luke thinks he spots another Palpatine in the making. Not given to deep thinking, decides to end it in one clean strike. It goes badly, perhaps even reinforcing Ben's turn to the dark side. Only then does Luke realise that he just created the problem he tried to solve. Again not given to deep thinking, figures that instead of trying to solve it again, he runs away and tells himself he's doing right by keeping the original temple and old books safe.

 

The problem here, IMO is this Luke you keep talking about that acts rashly and not a deep thinker is A New Hope 18 year old farm boy Luke who seeks action/adventure. It's not Return of the Jedi Luke, the more mature,  settled Jedi Knight (Master) that seeks to negotiate with Jabba but, prepares for a fight. It's not the Luke that held his own against the Vader and still chose to throw his lightsaber away rather than give in to the hate.  The last Luke we had (excluding the Legends or The Mandalorian) is of a Jedi Master with the age/maturity/wisdom of Yoda and Old Obi-Wan.   

And now that idiot who didn't even read the script or watch the previous movie (he totally ignored how TFA ended in order to make this *** movie) ignores ALL of Luke's growth in order to say that this 40-50 year old man would act rashly like an 18 year old....because he had a bad dream?! Nah, I don't buy it at all. 

And now that I'm dragging all this back up, I'm still pissed that all the idiots in charge totally ignored their own MOVIE and expected the audience to be stupid because....dun dun dun TFA ended on a Victory for the Resistance.

11 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

This is what's ironic for me. I liked the idea of Jacen going evil and everything he did but hated the execution. There were so mnay problems with the plot, everyone had to be Stormtrooper levels of stupidity for any of it to work and so much more. I could go on forever about it.

When Disney bought Star Wars and that all became Legends. I had hoped it meant we would get something better then we got in the books. Han and Leia's son going evil either having to face off against his twin sister (like in the books) or Luke's son. As George Lucas once mentioned the idea of two cousins. While there was a lot of potential in the sequel the execution went about as well as the one in the books. I'm really not sure which one is better and which one is worse. It's really a draw.

Oh, I'm not saying it was done right but the idea of Twin fighting twin is very interesting.  I worried they were going to make little Anakin go Dark Side they kind of hinted at it early on with Anakin being very gifted (at least that's the impression i got from one of the books).

[Grimnar]

16 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

The problem here, IMO is this Luke you keep talking about that acts rashly and not a deep thinker is A New Hope 18 year old farm boy Luke who seeks action/adventure. It's not Return of the Jedi Luke, the more mature,  settled Jedi Knight (Master) that seeks to negotiate with Jabba but, prepares for a fight. It's not the Luke that held his own against the Vader and still chose to throw his lightsaber away rather than give in to the hate.  The last Luke we had (excluding the Legends or The Mandalorian) is of a Jedi Master with the age/maturity/wisdom of Yoda and Old Obi-Wan.   

 

I agree, it is difficult to go from Luke, who tried to save Anakin, someone who was on dark side for 20+ years, to Luke who thought that maybe killing his nephew due to bad dream is good idea.

 

[Fool to cry]

3 hours ago, baldryanr said:

Young Luke, sure.  Experienced Jedi Master Luke wouldn't react with serene detachment, but time to go murder my nephew is quite the leap.  Maybe call Leia and get her to weigh in before leaping to the lightsaber option?

He reacted instantly and then stopped himself. If it had been young Luke instad Ben would have been dead then and there.

 

[DoctorAtomic]

I'm not saying Luke seeing another Palpatine in the making is entirely wrong, but Luke spent all of 5 minutes with this guy, mostly getting fried, so I'm not entirely sure how he could analyze Palpatine's motivations and origins of going to the dark side so quickly. 

I think Luke creating the problem he wanted to solve is good tragedy, but I still say people wanted some screetime of him just kicking ass and not being all washed up. 

[Kel Varnsen]

57 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Feloni's animated stuff is really good, loved Clone Wars, Rebels and, The Bad Batch.  As for remember that cartoon i made, pretty sure Rebels and Bad Batch were sequels to The Clone Wars, we'll Bad Batch most definitely was a sequel,  I believe Rebels was as well and I wouldn't say it's memberberries so much as continuing the same universe.

Ahsoka was a mid-level series, a few interesting characters and moments, loved everything with Anakin especially the flashback to Mandalore but, there were changes and characters i didn't like. However,  it's kind of obvious that's pretty much a Rebels S5 or Rebels reboot.

 

I am not a big enough Star Wars fab to go back and watch all those animated series. Especially because the animation looks weird to me (and not in a good way). But if people are going to get upset about the sequel trilogy doing the nostalgia play, then the Filoni shows seem way worse. After Mando season 1 they just became a sequel to something I will never watch. And in some cases an average (Ahsoka) or bad show (Boba Fett) isn't really going to convince me to watch more of a similar storyline.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

4 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

The problem here, IMO is this Luke you keep talking about that acts rashly and not a deep thinker is A New Hope 18 year old farm boy Luke who seeks action/adventure. It's not Return of the Jedi Luke, the more mature,  settled Jedi Knight (Master) that seeks to negotiate with Jabba but, prepares for a fight. It's not the Luke that held his own against the Vader and still chose to throw his lightsaber away rather than give in to the hate.  The last Luke we had (excluding the Legends or The Mandalorian) is of a Jedi Master with the age/maturity/wisdom of Yoda and Old Obi-Wan.  

I don't disagree, but a key ingredient here is Kylo's idolization of Darth Vader. Did Han and Leia keep all that stuff to themselves when the boy was growing up, the two things at the top of the list being the destruction of Alderaan and Han being imprisoned in carbonite because Vader turned him over to Jabba? I mean, either Kylo never heard those stories, which seems unlikely due to an entire planet being vaporized, or he did and he....what? Thought that was cool?

Yes, Luke acted rashly, and yes, it turns out Snoke was manipulating Kylo for his own purposes. But I don't think it can be discounted that the man we're initially presented with wanted to be exactly like his grandfather, which is why he kills Han and might have killed Leia if he'd gotten the chance. To sever those ties. Can't blame Luke for that.

[Fool to cry]

1 hour ago, DoctorAtomic said:

I'm not saying Luke seeing another Palpatine in the making is entirely wrong, but Luke spent all of 5 minutes with this guy, mostly getting fried, so I'm not entirely sure how he could analyze Palpatine's motivations and origins of going to the dark side so quickly. 

I think Luke creating the problem he wanted to solve is good tragedy, but I still say people wanted some screetime of him just kicking ass and not being all washed up. 

And they would have gotten a stuntman under a hood or Mark's face CGI'd on him kicking ass.

Again people bringing up "He tried to save Vader and refused to fight him" and ignoring he also attacked and nearly killed him when Vader threatened Leia. "He would have matured out of that!" Yes he did, which is why he stopped himself immediately.

[Morrigan2575]

41 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

I don't disagree, but a key ingredient here is Kylo's idolization of Darth Vader. Did Han and Leia keep all that stuff to themselves when the boy was growing up, the two things at the top of the list being the destruction of Alderaan and Han being imprisoned in carbonite because Vader turned him over to Jabba? I mean, either Kylo never heard those stories, which seems unlikely due to an entire planet being vaporized, or he did and he....what? Thought that was cool?

Yes, Luke acted rashly, and yes, it turns out Snoke was manipulating Kylo for his own purposes. But I don't think it can be discounted that the man we're initially presented with wanted to be exactly like his grandfather, which is why he kills Han and might have killed Leia if he'd gotten the chance. To sever those ties. Can't blame Luke for that.

Everything below is JMHO, not trying to claim it's facts.

It's crap writing, more than that It's writing backwards and for no reason! Luke trying to straight-up MURDER his sleeping nephew is totally out of character, even ANH Luke wouldn't just go all Kill First Think Later, he was too idealistic even if he was impetuous.   

However, Johnson thought he was smart and, oh so clever let's deconstruct the hero...how edgy but, in the end it served no purpose Rey still ended up the Hero, Kylo Ren still ended up the Dark Side Force User. There was no redeeming of Kylo Ren even if the shippers/fan girls wanted them too; all it did was assasinate a beloved heroic character. 

The Sequel Trilogy is years in the past, I will not watch them on repeat the way I do OT, hell even now I still barely watch the prequels when TNT does it's all Day Star Wars Marathons. I've come to accept that However flawed the Prequels were they are beloved by a new Generation of fans and I assume that will be the same for the Sequels. For me the Sequels are and will always be the Thrawn Trilogy, I don't care if they aren't canon they're the better story even if Legends Universe went off the rails at towards the end.

Star Wars as an IP is not dead to me, I'm still willing to give it a chance but, I'm going to call it a *** when I feel it's giving me utter crap .

Edited December 18 by Morrigan2575

[Fool to cry]

So to you Luke wouldn't hide on an island if he thought his loved ones needed help but he also wouldn't have an immediate reaction at all to seeing a future where they're murdered? He would just be 🤷‍♂️?

Edited December 18 by Fool to cry

[Morrigan2575]

22 hours ago, Fool to cry said:

So to you Luke wouldn't hide on an island if he thought his loved ones needed help but he also wouldn't have an immediate reaction at all to seeing a future where they're murdered? He would just be 🤷‍♂️?

No, i don't believe Luke would think MURDERING MY NEPHEW IN HIS SLEEP is the first and, only option to a potential future; even Yoda told him in ESB the visions they see are of possible futures.

It would (if ever) be his last ditch effort after exhausting all options to turn him back to the light side. I also don't believe Luke would go all sulky and hide out on some distant planet leaving a treasure map behind for people to find. 

BTW when did pretv start censoring curse words? 

Edited December 19 by Morrigan2575

[Fool to cry]

HE TRIED TO STOP HIS SURROGATE CHILDREN FROM BEING SLAUGHTERED. See I can use all caps too. Also Yoda didn't say it was a possible future, he said it was hard to see because the future is hard to see because it's always in motion. Also that vision like all visions by Jedi are true so there was no "it might happen" for Luke, it was going to happen. And his immediate reaction was to violence but he quickly came to his senses and stopped himself. If Ben hadn't woken up there he would have left and tried to find another way to stop it that didn't mean killing him. Luke then saw his actions directly caused not only his nephew to fully turn to evil but also the deaths of his students then yes the guilt and grief and shame would be too much for him, as it would be for anyone. He also didn't leave a treasure map. The map was to the first Jedi temple and it was left behind with Artoo with a piece missing so no one find him. 

 

Edited Thursday at 09:18 PM by Fool to cry

[Morrigan2575]

58 minutes ago, Fool to cry said:

HE TRIED TO STOP HIS SURROGATE CHILDREN FROM BEING SLAUGHTERED. See I can use all caps too. Also Yoda didn't say it was a possible future, he said it was hard to see because the future is hard to see because it's always in motion. Also that vision like all visions by Jedi are true so there was no "it might happen" for Luke, it was going to happen. And his immediate reaction was to violence but he quickly came to his senses and stopped himself. If Ben hadn't woken up there he would have left and tried to find another way to stop it that didn't mean killing him. Luke then saw his actions directly caused not only his nephew to fully turn to evil but also the deaths of his students then yes the guilt and grief and shame would be too much for him, as it would be for anyone. He also didn't leave a treasure map. The map was to the first Jedi temple and it was left behind with Artoo with a piece missing so no one find him. 

 

I don't agree, I will never agree, you can feel that it made total sense and was in character, I do not have to agree and can call it character assassination and think Rion Johnson is a total hack.  

[Fool to cry]

That's a pity because Hamill's performance in that scene is the best in the series. That horror of what he sees in the vision, the immediate instinct to end this threat before stopping himself and the just as immediate shame over what he was about to do.

 

 

 

 

Edited Friday at 05:42 AM by Fool to cry

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