LaurenBrook May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 i like how they list the previous teams on the new TCCs pic too! Trying to research some of these girls...I have to say Whitney is becoming one of my favorites!! She is just too stinking cute. I'm afraid she may struggle a little but fingers crossed because she seems to be such a sweet girl. And omg...longest legs ever!! 2 Link to comment
Smplsimon May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 Condolences references expressions of sympathy. And if you still need a death, there was one: her DCC career. 2 Link to comment
dccfan37 May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 It won't let me add the Instagram, i think Shelbi is back to private but she put up a picture with the caption "can't believe my journey has come to an end, heartbroken. #DCCFinals how sad :( 1 Link to comment
Guest May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 18 hours ago, 2134.dancer said: 13 hours ago, QuiteContrary19 said: 14 minutes ago, LaurenBrook said: i like how they list the previous teams on the new TCCs pic too! Trying to research some of these girls...I have to say Whitney is becoming one of my favorites!! She is just too stinking cute. I'm afraid she may struggle a little but fingers crossed because she seems to be such a sweet girl. And omg...longest legs ever!! Don't be mad, Auto Amy is there for the cameras. I firmly believe that, just like Tasha and Emily Roslyn, Amy will make a juicy cut and drama for the show. I don't believe they're serious about any of these three. Kelli has no personal allegiance to TCCs and has shown me that they'll bring girls in for show drama. It's the nature of the beast of reality tv. Jenny didn't make training camp started to reply to all this and didn't and now it's all bunched up in one big stack?? So here's my short list replies! What make you think Whitney will struggle? She's a former Rangerette and clearly goes to a lot of classes at night. She strikes me as poised, disciplined and talented- I see her being a long-time DCC and probably a leader on the team and on the field! I adore Amy Simone and nothing about her says "attitude" to me. She has transformed her look and body to try to make this team. I don't think Kelli brought her in to cut her I think 14 judges voted and enough of them saw DCC potential in her to give her a chance to earn it. That Tasha looks like she could be trouble, and also I bet someone slips them some dirt on her. She just reeks of trouble. SHE looks like she has attitude! Ally (in the pic with Jenny) strikes me as a pot-stirrer. Some girls commented after panels that she was trash talking so much about the DCC process. I bet she's going to turn out to be "locker room poison!" Link to comment
caligirl50 May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 1 hour ago, cherryblossom said: Absolutely I remember Starr and I remember in the pilot there was a shorter girl, perhaps not slim who seemed to have lots of personality and Kelli and Judy liked her and when they came to announce the team, she was off despite community service etc. For some reason I think she was going to be a 3rd year girl. The announced it while girls were sitting in some low bleachers outside. Does anyone remember this-2 hour pilot The girl from New Jersey? Community service? 1 Link to comment
LaurenBrook May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, GingerJ said: started to reply to all this and didn't and now it's all bunched up in one big stack?? So here's my short list replies! What make you think Whitney will struggle? She's a former Rangerette and clearly goes to a lot of classes at night. She strikes me as poised, disciplined and talented- I see her being a long-time DCC and probably a leader on the team and on the field! I adore Amy Simone and nothing about her says "attitude" to me. She has transformed her look and body to try to make this team. I don't think Kelli brought her in to cut her I think 14 judges voted and enough of them saw DCC potential in her to give her a chance to earn it. That Tasha looks like she could be trouble, and also I bet someone slips them some dirt on her. She just reeks of trouble. SHE looks like she has attitude! Ally (in the pic with Jenny) strikes me as a pot-stirrer. Some girls commented after panels that she was trash talking so much about the DCC process. I bet she's going to turn out to be "locker room poison!" Just some of her dances seemed kind of weak to me BUT I certainly didn't watch all of them and I know a lot of those are just for fun. Trust me, I'd LOVE for her to rock camp and make the team! There is just something about her I love! I was kind of eh about Amy after last year BUT I thought she recovered from it well, moved on to another team, and kept her practicing on the DL. I will honestly be ticked if they brought her in just to make a dramatic cut. I would like to see her do well. How do you know Ally C was trash talking the DCC process? That seems so odd...but we don't have to worry about her. That is not the Ally that made it, at least I don't believe so. The Allie that got in is Holly's friend. 1 Link to comment
Guest May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 4 hours ago, McGee43 said: While it's true that her words do come from her, producers have a way of manipulating and badgering you to get you to say what they want to hear. They'll ask the same question repeatedly or in different ways to make it more appealing and to add drama to the show. I wonder if some of these girls think "If I say what the producers want to hear, I'll get on Kelli and Judy's good side" or maybe they're too afraid to push back in any sort of way. Case in point - Kinley Minchew a few years back who shut it down after her interview panel when Judy asked about the pageant timing and in her "one on one" interview with CMT gave the very brief response of "They asked questions and it was fine". I would guess girls would be suspicious of that, because so many of them are pageant girls or come from other pro teams. I would think it's kind of the opposite, I'd think CMT producers need to really build trust and get these girls to open up, and that's why some of the girls seem "blah" and others are bold and show who they are. Maybe the girls who show the most personality and honesty found some trust in the producers and the ones who are more reserved and repetitive just can't let it out for the cameras because somehow they're not connecting with the producers. That show is there to document the process, not manipulate it. they're producing a TV show, but I highly doubt Kelli and especially Charlotte are letting them "produce" the actual team. Link to comment
Guest May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 5 hours ago, MrsEVH said: For the poster who wondered about Stephanie's solo outfit (too many pages to go back to find it). Here's her audition outfit from last year. Looks like she just added an apron to it. Wow, considering that outfit doesn't stand out to begin with, you'd think she'd know better than to repeat it. She's a pretty girl, but in DCC terms, something about her is just "off" to me. Link to comment
Harrythecat May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 12 minutes ago, caligirl50 said: The girl from New Jersey? Community service? Yes Jersey girl that is what Kelly called her. She and another petite girl were cut at finals the next year. They both looked pissed. 1 Link to comment
Guest May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, LaurenBrook said: Just some of her dances seemed kind of weak to me BUT I certainly didn't watch all of them and I know a lot of those are just for fun. Trust me, I'd LOVE for her to rock camp and make the team! There is just something about her I love! I was kind of eh about Amy after last year BUT I thought she recovered from it well, moved on to another team, and kept her practicing on the DL. I will honestly be ticked if they brought her in just to make a dramatic cut. I would like to see her do well. How do you know Ally C was trash talking the DCC process? That seems so odd...but we don't have to worry about her. That is not the Ally that made it, at least I don't believe so. The Allie that got in is Holly's friend. Regarding Allie/Ally- Ah! You're right, well then, problem solved! I know some of the alumni that were there running the panels process and they had their eyes on her. Link to comment
LaurenBrook May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 Just now, GingerJ said: Regarding Allie/Ally- Ah! You're right, well then, problem solved! I know some of the alumni that were there running the panels process and they had their eyes on her. Ahh gotcha...I would never guess Ally C was a trouble maker! Of course I am judging only on pictures lol but she looks so young and innocent! If anyone reported to judges that she was trouble I would think that could factor in...I hope it didn't hurt Jenny's chances at all. She worked so hard! Link to comment
sleepyjean May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 If Shelbi really wants this, the best thing she can do at this point is to try out for a team that has regular performances. She needs to dance dance dance and work on retention, execution, and showmanship. I don't think she's getting that from Texas Star Dancers. From what I can tell, they don't seem to do much, and most of what they do do is appearances rather than performances. (I cannot for the life of me figure out why they have a calendar.) I don't think Shelbi is good enough for Mavs, DStars or even AAIA. But maybe one of those minor teams like Sidekicks, Revolution, or Legends would take her. 3 Link to comment
Kaedee May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 57 minutes ago, MrsEVH said: Condolences; sounds like someone died. . Condolences are expressions of sympathy. They're not solely reserving for death circumstances. :) I think Kat is being very classy to acknowledge the fans who've tweeted her and said they'll miss her. 3 Link to comment
LaurenBrook May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, sleepyjean said: If Shelbi really wants this, the best thing she can do at this point is to try out for a team that has regular performances. She needs to dance dance dance and work on retention, execution, and showmanship. I don't think she's getting that from Texas Star Dancers. From what I can tell, they don't seem to do much, and most of what they do do is appearances rather than performances. (I cannot for the life of me figure out why they have a calendar.) I don't think Shelbi is good enough for Mavs, DStars or even AAIA. But maybe one of those minor teams like Sidekicks, Revolution, or Legends would take her. This. So this. I think Shelbi is stunning and when she knows what she is doing, she's fun to watch. But they identified her biggest weakness last year as memory and she even said she isn't used to learning tons of new choreography. Such a stark contrast to girls like Kelsey and Amy and Kelli Q who took a million classes this year. 3 minutes ago, Kaedee said: Condolences are expressions of sympathy. They're not solely reserving for death circumstances. :) I think Kat is being very classy to acknowledge the fans who've tweeted her and said they'll miss her. Yeah, Kat is not bothering me at this point with her retweets. I think she is being mature about it and she's obviously got to be devastated. I honestly don't think Caila will address it. Ashley Pro and Jasmine NEVER addressed getting cut on their social media. They just moved on and by the time the show came on they were involved in other things so people asking about it was like whatever. How far is Sunnyvale from Dallas? I wonder if Caila will just want to move home for a while. 2 Link to comment
Kaedee May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 Is it Shelbi's dancing that's a problem, her technicality, or her memory retention of the dance sequences? 1 Link to comment
LaurenBrook May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Kaedee said: Is it Shelbi's dancing that's a problem, her technicality, or her memory retention of the dance sequences? Yes. lol 5 Link to comment
Kaedee May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, LaurenBrook said: I honestly don't think Caila will address it. Ashley Pro and Jasmine NEVER addressed getting cut on their social media. They just moved on and by the time the show came on they were involved in other things so people asking about it was like whatever. How far is Sunnyvale from Dallas? I wonder if Caila will just want to move home for a while. I liked Ashley, and when she was cut I sent her a tweet saying I'd miss her on the squad. She answered by favoriting my tweet. I didn't expect any acknowledgement, so that was nice. Ashley may have done her "thank you's" in a different manner than openly. 1 minute ago, LaurenBrook said: Yes. lol LOL Got it. :D Edited May 23, 2016 by Kaedee 1 Link to comment
LaurenBrook May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 Just now, Kaedee said: I liked Ashley, and when she was cut I sent her a tweet saying I'd miss her on the squad. She answered by favoriting my tweet. I didn't expect any acknowledgement, so that was nice. Ashley may have done her "thank you's" in a different manner than openly. Jasmine was the same - I had tweeted her about going to miss her on the squad and wishing her well and she favorited it...I just meant they didn't write a long post about moving on the way Breelan did (and I thought hers was very classy and mature the way she presented it). I don't think there is a right or wrong way to 'move on.' I am just speculating on whether Caila will actually address it or move on to her next thing. Honestly tho from her Twitter it REALLY sounds like she had a feeling the end was near. I am so curious about her interview now... 1 Link to comment
MyFavShows May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 1 hour ago, DCCFanInKy said: I like how they list former teams on the TCCs Although I really appreciate the info, it's interesting how they list "DCC Finalist 201X" on those photos as though it has the same significance as being a full fledged member of any other dance team ;). You are a DCC finalist for maybe one week. 1 Link to comment
dccfan37 May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 I'm interested to see how in detail they go about vet cuts. Some seasons Kelli is on camera saying exactly why but other seasons, their name isn't called and that's it. I wonder how much info we'll get about Kat and Caila 3 Link to comment
Shan18 May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 23 minutes ago, MyFavShows said: Although I really appreciate the info, it's interesting how they list "DCC Finalist 201X" on those photos as though it has the same significance as being a full fledged member of any other dance team ;). You are a DCC finalist for maybe one week. And isn't Emily's incorrect? She was a tcc not just finalist, right? 1 Link to comment
dccfan37 May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 13 minutes ago, Shan18 said: And isn't Emily's incorrect? She was a tcc not just finalist, right? Correct. They are missing quite a few of the girls ' former teams as well 2 Link to comment
MyFavShows May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 13 minutes ago, Shan18 said: And isn't Emily's incorrect? She was a tcc not just finalist, right? True. She was a TCC. Her pic on that chart is so pretty. It's interesting how some of those quick photos of the rookie candidates are better than the professional cameos of the vets! 3 Link to comment
Shan18 May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 15 minutes ago, MyFavShows said: True. She was a TCC. Her pic on that chart is so pretty. It's interesting how some of those quick photos of the rookie candidates are better than the professional cameos of the vets! I'm sure everyone will disagree but I don't think she's that pretty. She's obviously got the bod and the hair and makeup and all that but under it all, I don't know. But I think some others are gorgeous that others don't so what do I know! Link to comment
Luvdallas May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 Emily is not pretty at all. Not even close. Tasha is a joke. Amy from Rockford I love!!!! She puts it all out there!!! very sad about Kat!!!!! I hope she tries out for something else. 1 Link to comment
JayDKay May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 Hi! I've followed this forum for quite some time but I'm a first time poster :) Do we know who received the barbies for their solos yet? Link to comment
JC123 May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 I can't see Kat making Mavs. She's not powerful enough for DCC, let alone DMD! Maybe something like ice Angels. As for the DCC/other teams thing, I always thought the same but it's obviously something I do with being prestigious.. "4 of our girls were good enough to make the DCC finals/training camp/our alumni went on to DCC" etc. I feel like Vivian would be so good as a DMD, I can't be alone on this? When does training camp start? 1 Link to comment
JC123 May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 I can't see Kat making Mavs. She's not powerful enough for DCC, let alone DMD! Maybe something like ice Angels. As for the DCC/other teams thing, I always thought the same but it's obviously something I do with being prestigious.. "4 of our girls were good enough to make the DCC finals/training camp/our alumni went on to DCC" etc. I feel like Vivian would be so good as a DMD, I can't be alone on this? When does training camp start? 1 Link to comment
SopranoKris May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 3 hours ago, JayDKay said: Hi! I've followed this forum for quite some time but I'm a first time poster :) Do we know who received the barbies for their solos yet? They don't give out the Barbies until the first night of Training Camp. That hasn't started yet. They just announced who made it in to TC last night. Link to comment
ByTor May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 1 hour ago, JC123 said: I feel like Vivian would be so good as a DMD, I can't be alone on this? Didn't she try out for DMD that year she wrote the "lucid dream" poem and not make it (hence the speculation that she was being blackballed)? 4 Link to comment
JC123 May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 Ohhh I wasn't aware she tried out. Thanks :) Do they announce who gets barbies or do we have to stalk social media? 1 Link to comment
JC123 May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 also, just seen that Jennifer K choreographed Auto Amy's solo. Amy's latest post on Instagram. Won't let me post a screen shot. I wonder if Jen did anybody else's? 1 Link to comment
Guest May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 I thought it was really interesting that Jenn choreographed her solo, I didn't know they had vets help them out. Link to comment
parrotfeathers May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 I like to root for the underdogs so Auto Amy will probably be on my hopeful list. But her kicks appear to be very low in her solo. The girl posing with her husband--no. Too pageant-y or something. Kelli doesn't like "pageant" answers either. Why is S1 and S2 just "gone?" 1 Link to comment
LaurenBrook May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 Wow! I didn't realize they were allowed to do that but hey, I guess why not?? I know Jennifer is supposed to be amazing with choreography...need to get Amy to post this solo at some point! I take that as another sign of Amy really taking criticisms last year and trying to up her game...her solo last year was a mess at Kitty's and then the costume yikes...this year, she went to a great choreographer who knows what the DCC judges like and her costume has SUPPORT lol (I really do think it's a cute costume! great colors) 3 Link to comment
PrincessLeia May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 I hope Amy makes the team. I can't imagine Tasha being Kelli's cup of tea. There's nothing inappropriate about her Instagram. I just can't put my finger on it.... But I don't see Kelli loving her Instagram page if she's going to be a serious contender to make the team. 1 Link to comment
LaurenBrook May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, PrincessLeia said: I can't imagine Tasha being Kelli's cup of tea. There's nothing inappropriate about her Instagram. I just can't put my finger on it.... But I don't see Kelli loving her Instagram page if she's going to be a serious contender to make the team. I know exactly what you mean!! There is nothing really bad about her or her IG page but just...something is off or makes me like uhhhh. I don't know exactly what. But I have a hard time seeing Kelli being really for her. Who knows though - she may be an incredible dancer - I haven't seen enough of her dancing to know for sure. And maybe she is truly a super sweet person and had a great interview? I'm excited to find out!! 3 Link to comment
Guest May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 Only a week and one day to go before training camp officially starts Link to comment
PrincessLeia May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 1 minute ago, LaurenBrook said: I know exactly what you mean!! There is nothing really bad about her or her IG page but just...something is off or makes me like uhhhh. I don't know exactly what. But I have a hard time seeing Kelli being really for her. Who knows though - she may be an incredible dancer - I haven't seen enough of her dancing to know for sure. And maybe she is truly a super sweet person and had a great interview? I'm excited to find out!! She may very well be adorable. That's the problem with Instagram- it projects an image. My Instagram is full of pictures of my kids and the occasional shot of me with my husband or my kids. So from my account, you'd derive that I'm a family person whose main focus in life is my family. Tasha's Instagram just seems so over the top, look at me, lots of fake hair, overblown photo shoots, bikini shots, with a smattering of kid/husband shots where she is still dressed to the nines. IDK. I get a weird feeling about her. But- I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and I'm excited about watching her on the show. Everyone deserves a chance! 6 Link to comment
Paige turner May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, MyFavShows said: Although I really appreciate the info, it's interesting how they list "DCC Finalist 201X" on those photos as though it has the same significance as being a full fledged member of any other dance team ;). You are a DCC finalist for maybe one week. It is the writer from Ultimate Cheerleaders who added the previous dance details, so not from DCC. I appreciate her jogging my memory about former finalists. Edited May 23, 2016 by Paige turner 1 Link to comment
LaurenBrook May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 Are there any pictures yet posted from Finals? Like how they will do a photo collection? Dying to see some of the costumes lol 1 Link to comment
SusieG May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 12 hours ago, LaurenBrook said: This. So this. I think Shelbi is stunning and when she knows what she is doing, she's fun to watch. But they identified her biggest weakness last year as memory and she even said she isn't used to learning tons of new choreography. Such a stark contrast to girls like Kelsey and Amy and Kelli Q who took a million classes this year. Yeah, Kat is not bothering me at this point with her retweets. I think she is being mature about it and she's obviously got to be devastated. I honestly don't think Caila will address it. Ashley Pro and Jasmine NEVER addressed getting cut on their social media. They just moved on and by the time the show came on they were involved in other things so people asking about it was like whatever. How far is Sunnyvale from Dallas? I wonder if Caila will just want to move home for a while. Kat is so classy and gracious. Makes me even sadder that she got cut. She seems so genuine, mature and such a great ambassador for DCC! I thought she was cute as a button. Reading the comments on her Insta post makes me think that she had rough feedback all season (vet Jen Amburn's comment about "enduring" so much)...I dont think her solo was the kiss of death. Other vets have had light, airy solos (like Kinzie), but showed their power elsewhere. speaking of Jen Amburn, cannot BELIEVE she choreographed auto amy's solo. ick. sorry for Amy lovers out there. her desperation just ruins her for me. 2 Link to comment
MyFavShows May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 When you look at that pic of the vets together, wow does the DCC need blondes. Tall thin ones too. The only current vet even close to sporting the signature tall thin blonde look is Kashara, and I bet she's still on the short side, just not as short and thick as Amy T and Melissa. The two girls they just cut were blonde too! I'd say for any blonde TCC over 5'5" a spot on the team is theirs to lose at this point ;). Of course they could always makeover someone to be a blonde if they really wanted to - they just don't seem to do that though. 2 Link to comment
bk10 May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 I think the DCC is lacking in terms of black girls on the team. It used to be so much more diverse and now they have like 2. The blondes I can do without cause it's just a hair color and that can always be changed. 5 Link to comment
DCCFanInKy May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 (edited) I can't tell i this has been posted before and I hope it works..... http://player.ooyala.com/iframe.html#pbid=f5c333b0ed234aa5859d68a57e0c8177&ec=5ydTVuMzE6Vswnna2IxFVNWUPX0zXgFl&docUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fultimatecheerleaders.com%2F Edited May 23, 2016 by DCCFanInKy Fix error 2 Link to comment
bigskygirl May 23, 2016 Author Share May 23, 2016 I wonder if Melissa will be called out for her mid section because she looks soft in the video. I chuckle at the girls who say they have been working since they were four years old to be a DCC. Talk about wanting to say the right thing to make Kelli, Judy and Charlotte happy. Link to comment
Bailey3606 May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 I personally love Tasha and her look. She seems sweet and a great mom. Agreed with the poster who said that DCC needs more tall and thin blondes. They also need more glamour girls, and I think Tasha fits the bill. 4 Link to comment
Kaedee May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 11 minutes ago, bk10 said: I think the DCC is lacking in terms of black girls on the team. It used to be so much more diverse and now they have like 2. The blondes I can do without cause it's just a hair color and that can always be changed. Maybe Cowboys organization makes up for lack of perceived diversity in DCC by their football players being 85% AA. :) I think Kelli, and especially Judy, go by skill, not by a desire to vary the squad demographically. Like players, candidates are added by their skill. And yeah, some years DCC has had more obvious ethnic variety, like in the late '90's. early '00's there were more AA ladies than now. There were also more blondes too. But there's more to diversity in ethnicity than dark/light. Last year there were 3-4 girls of Asiatic-influenced ethnicity, plus a couple of Eastern influence (I thought Mary was Persian-American. Could be wrong...). There's a whole wonderful plethora of variety out there in the world! I hope girls of all varieties and backgrounds continue to be interested in auditioning. 1 Link to comment
Beana8 May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 17 hours ago, TiaGrace said: I don't think we have seen the last of Kat Rodgers. I hope she pops up on my TV again one day. I can see her on the next season of the bachelor but I would love to see her as the Bachelorette. I could totally see her.. Well I can see many of these girls end up on the Bachelor franchise. The DCC type and the Bachelor type are very similar. Just look at Melissa Rycroft and the Twins. 2 Link to comment
MaryWebGirl May 23, 2016 Share May 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, Kaedee said: Maybe Cowboys organization makes up for lack of perceived diversity in DCC by their football players being 85% AA. :) I think Kelli, and especially Judy, go by skill, not by a desire to vary the squad demographically. Like players, candidates are added by their skill. And yeah, some years DCC has had more obvious ethnic variety, like in the late '90's. early '00's there were more AA ladies than now. There were also more blondes too. But there's more to diversity in ethnicity than dark/light. Last year there were 3-4 girls of Asiatic-influenced ethnicity, plus a couple of Eastern influence (I thought Mary was Persian-American. Could be wrong...). There's a whole wonderful plethora of variety out there in the world! I hope girls of all varieties and backgrounds continue to be interested in auditioning. Maybe Judy goes more by skill, but there's a reason they group the finalists by hair color and skin tone during the field performances in finals. Their casting is far from colorblind. 8 Link to comment
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