Mothers, Mentors, and Mates: Relationships

[Trini]

James hasn't started anything with Lena - yet; you have an opportunity here, Kara! ?

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If they do plan on putting Kara and Mon-El back together, him being married is a BIG hurdle. I'd really hate it if they killed off his wife just to pair them up again.

[tofutan]

My best case dream scenario would be if Lightning Lad shows up and it turns out that he was falsely presumed dead and that means that any Mon-El/Imra marriage is invalid. They would still have to deal with the fallout but at least the marriage aspect wouldn't be a factor anymore. 

Edited November 22, 2017 by tofutan

[MarkHB]

On 11/21/2017 at 6:55 PM, Trini said:

James hasn't started anything with Lena - yet; you have an opportunity here, Kara!

She almost caught him bedding down for the night under Cat's desk, so who knows what might have ensued!  :D

[Lady Calypso]

13 minutes ago, tofutan said:

But as you admit yourself, he DID have screentime. And why is it actually a good thing that he wasn't propping Kara, but instead he was talking about his own problems? Most fans of a character want them to get a storyline of their own rather than propping other characters. 

I really, really, really doubt that James had more screentime this season than he had last season during Guardian. Just because it's not the kind of screentime you enjoy doesn't mean that it's not screentime. And the treatment of James at CatCo has been awful. He wasn't allowed to talk to anybody about his supposed feelings for Lena. They gave him scenes with no follow up, like him reacting to Lena buying CatCo. 

IMO it's very telling that the writers still have zero interest in James at CatCo based on the fact that they started off the romance with Lena NOT by let's say them bonding over uncovering a cool lead on a story or by maybe her admiring one of his photographs. Instead it's him pulling out the Guardian again this season. It's pretty clear that the writers still consider James at CatCo useless because when they try to raise his prestige to be able to date Lena they reach back to Guardian rather than having them bond over CatCo related stuff. Because to them action!James has value while CatCo!James doesn't. 

I think the writers never really cared about CatCo or journalism. They just liked Cat. THE season where CatCo was actually important Kara wasn't actually a journalist. Even Kara doesn't actually care about journalism, she spent a season at CatCo as an assisstent and then Cat had to force her to pick a real job and even then Kara didn't know what to actually pick. And of course all the times where she quits it or gets fired. 

The show never cared about journalism and hence Kara doesn't actually care about journalism and hence doesn't actually care about CatCo. 

IMO what they should have done this season is introduce another female mentor character. Not one who is just like Cat to replace her. But just somebody to serve a comparable role while being very different in personality. 

Per your first point about James, he had SOME screentime (let me correct myself from what I said earlier!). However, look at how many episodes he missed in season 2. He was in 17 episodes out of 22. Which, if you think about it, wasn't a whole lot. However, then looking at how much screentime he got in those 17 episodes, they were sometimes reduced to just one scene and one or two lines. That's not exactly screentime in the sense that it develops him as a character. Yes, he had two centric episodes last season. But the other 15 episodes? His relationship with Kara wasn't really there. When Clark was in the first two episodes, James didn't really get to interact with him, even though he had history with Superman long before Supergirl. His episode 5 centric episode was poorly written. Then his Guardian arc made James look not just reckless, but very selfish. Also, the time was dedicated more toward Winn. How Winn felt about going out to fight crime. How Winn felt guilty about not telling Kara. James was 100% poorly mishandled in season 2. This season, he's allowed more nuance, to not just be out fighting crime, but getting to know James as a person. 

As for his relationship with Lena, it's not written great, but they're doing a better job with him than last season. Mostly, I think James/Kara's friendship is finally brought back up. That's the one thing that has worked well. 

Sometimes, though, James only appeared as Guardian last season. Which, sure, is still him appearing, but it didn't do much to elevate his character. Comparing that to season 1 James, of course, Season 2 James got shit on. Again, because he wasn't Kara's love interest anymore, they didn't seem to care to dedicate time with him. They threw in a half-assed Guardian arc, which ended up giving Winn more development, and they didn't care to have him interact with anyone other than Winn. Season 2 was just a mess, though, because of how separated all the characters really were from each other. Kara had Mon-El, Alex had her Maggie/coming out arc, Winn had Lyra and James, James had Winn, and J'onn...appeared sometimes? Which is why season 3 has done a better job at balancing the various relationships. Season 1 had good character relationships. Kara had people supporting her, but she also supported the other characters like Alex, Winn, and J'onn. 

Season 3 James at least has scenes with Kara again and not once every tenth episode. That is what I'm praising this season for. It's given Kara/James their friendship back. Now, if they could only do the same with Winn/Kara. 

Also, a female mentor character would have been great. There's a reason why Snapper Carr didn't work out (but, like you said, also because they didn't care enough about the journalism aspect). Last season was all about starting storylines and either dropping them or not caring enough to put the effort in to develop them. Kara was only a journalist when the plot of the week demanded it. James was allowed to interact with people when they could think of something for him to do (there were so many missed opportunities that could have had James in). 

[Trini]

Do people really think that James/Lena is rushed? I think they've actually played it pretty tame so far. Lena's been on the show since last season; they started hinting at their attraction for each other since the Season 3 premiere; and now in episode 9, there was the mutual acknowledgment of that attraction with the kiss. They're both good-looking, high-powered executives; I'm interested in seeing how this plays out.

I wish they'd flesh out James more, though.

[legaleagle53]

15 hours ago, Trini said:

Do people really think that James/Lena is rushed? I think they've actually played it pretty tame so far. Lena's been on the show since last season; they started hinting at their attraction for each other since the Season 3 premiere; and now in episode 9, there was the mutual acknowledgment of that attraction with the kiss. They're both good-looking, high-powered executives; I'm interested in seeing how this plays out.

Yes, they're both good-looking, high-powered executives, but they're not equals.  She's still his boss, so any romantic escapades would be potentially dangerous for her if the relationship ended up going south.  And given the current cultural landscape in Hollywood and elsewhere, I wouldn't be surprised to see the show go there via something like this.

But even if the relationship did grow into a permanent one, there's also the danger of her being perceived as less than impartial if she appears to show him too much favor in the workplace because of her feelings towards him.  There's a reason that most companies generally frown on relationships between supervisors and subordinates.

Edited December 11, 2017 by legaleagle53

[Trini]

Lena might be higher on the hierarchy (that will probably never be clarified ::sigh::) but I don't think supervisor/subordinate is the relationship. Or the owner/CEO relationship shouldn't be... but TV.

If anything, I think it'll be messy on James side.

[tinnefoil]

Kara's love life

I continue to be confused by how this Kara/Mon-El/Imra thing (I even hesitate to call it a triangle really) is playing out. Mon-El/Imra just feels very underplayed for me. Which is okay, she's a new character, I doubt lot of people are dying to hear about her feelings. But why even raise the spectre of a triangle with things like Mon-El not giving back the necklace Kara gave him if we are not supposed to wonder? 

It makes some sense to underplay it if a lot of people get upset if there is too much "relationship stuff" on a superhero show but it's not like it isn't there and like it isn't consuming screentime. It's just not being played out with a lot of emotion. Mon-El doesn't indicate to what extent he still has feelings for Kara. Imra doesn't the traditional showing of either being intimdated or being confident about the shadow of Mon-El's ex. It just plays out very weird on screen. 

Alex' love life

I wonder if Alex will get a new girlfriend any time soon. It seems like kind of a clichee that once a lesbian gets put with a child her love life dies. I'm glad they had her have this dalliance with Sara, but I find it increasingly hard to picture what kind of relationship or woman they would put her with next, if they are not gonna bring back Maggie. 

I'd love a storyline where a woman flirts with her and Alex gets all flustered. Maybe some other DEO agent could ask her out now that she's single? 

James love life

James and Lena are confusing to me. Do the writers really care about this relationship at all or is it just busywork to have something for the characters to do? I think there is story potential there if the writers let them actually bond and share with each other what they are going through, but considering how little we saw of this before they got together, what really are the chances? I almost wish they would have written James and Lena intentionally as an out of the blue one night stand (like maybe they get locked in together somewhere and then something happens). 

[MarkHB]

10 hours ago, tinnefoil said:

It makes some sense to underplay it if a lot of people get upset if there is too much "relationship stuff" on a superhero show but it's not like it isn't there and like it isn't consuming screentime. It's just not being played out with a lot of emotion. Mon-El doesn't indicate to what extent he still has feelings for Kara. Imra doesn't the traditional showing of either being intimdated or being confident about the shadow of Mon-El's ex. It just plays out very weird on screen. 

I think they're deliberately trying to emphasize the weirdness of the situation, tbh.  It's like in S2 when they went all-in on the idea of the Danvers sisters losing themselves in their respective new relationships and not spending as much time together.

[tinnefoil]

I don't think that that was intentional. I believe there was a writer interview that said it wasn't intentional that there were less sister scenes. I don't think that they were losing themselves, they were branching out. For both of them it was a big step to have their first real relationship and they kept in communication about it and talked about it. I think that would be a pretty shitty message to send that having a relationship automatically means losing yourself. I think both relationships stressed that it brought Kara and Alex a lot of happiness and healing for Alex. 

If they wanted to stress the weirdness of the situation why not just have outside characters do more to stress the weirdness? I think the writers were serious abot their "three good people in a bad situation", but is that really coming across on screen? I just thinking if they wanted me to feel that they would show us a bit more about how let's say Saturngirl is also suffering under the situation. I don't know maybe the actress is just really bland but to me that doesn't come across at all. She just seems way too chipper about everything. 

[wingster55]

This is random, and comes from someone who hasn't this season, but has the issue of James/Kara come up either on the show or in the media? I was just randomly thinking about that today (my brain is suuuper random) and it's still a bit astonishing they dropped a season's worth of build between of an interracial pairing for the first white guy (who was a frat slave owning douche in s2) and also tried to retcon it as Kara never having feelings for James. And the main thing is (from my experience in following the show in s1-2) how they were able to get away with it. Like nobody seriously called them out like they did with Jeremy Jordan's comments at SDCC last July. Astonishing

/random post and mini rant. 

Edited March 27, 2018 by wingster55

[Trini]

59 minutes ago, wingster55 said:

This is random, and comes from someone who hasn't this season, but has the issue of James/Kara come up either on the show or in the media?

Well, in episode 10 this season there was a line about how Kara and James "used to date" -- which is not true (I wish!) -- otherwise, their mutual attraction was still being treated as if it never existed. Can't say about in the media; I'm sure it was noticed, but I'm not sure there were enough people who felt strongly enough about it.

[Starry]

There was someone who asked the showrunners about it at SDCC. They pointed out the issue of replacing their black love interest with a white guy who used to own slaves. Their reply was "This is a TV show and we want drama, James and Kara are both good hearted people so we felt we had to put her with a bad boy" or something along the lines.

The media are so gross when it comes to interracial couples. A TV Guide reporter called James a "predator". Are we watching the same show? And I didn't even ship them. I don't think Kara has much chemistry with any of her male love interests or potential love interests. I feel more with Kara and Lena than with Kara and [insert any male love interest here].

[wingster55]

13 hours ago, Starry said:

There was someone who asked the showrunners about it at SDCC. They pointed out the issue of replacing their black love interest with a white guy who used to own slaves. Their reply was "This is a TV show and we want drama, James and Kara are both good hearted people so we felt we had to put her with a bad boy" or something along the lines.

Do you remember where this was? A panel or an interview? I'll look myself too. 

[Trini]

 

The thing is, this is a different answer than what Kriesberg gave at the start of Season 2.

[wingster55]

Ah, thanks.

Well that's a bullshit answer. 

[Trini]

I wasn't sure about bringing them bringing in J'onn's father, but I'm glad that David Harewood has gotten a bit more to do.

The Alex/J'onn father/daughter scenes have been good; but it just makes me think of the whole Cadmus/Jeremiah arc that was dropped. Really hope they can get Dean Cain to commit for at least half a season.

So they've rebooted and apologized for Mon-El, so I guess Karamel is coming back around soon. Sure.

Wish there was more Lena/James; but I suspect there might be soon with Lena now directly connected to the Reign arc.

[Trini]

Well, at least one couple is gettin' any:

 

As for the Kara/Mon-El/Imra triangle (that was actually mainly two-sided), wow. Even though I was expecting them to give Mon-El an easy 'out' of his marriage, I was NOT expecting the easiest of outs with Imra being super cool with her husband going back to his ex.

Edited May 21, 2018 by Trini
oops dropped "not"

[Trini]

Wow, they are really committed to this Kara/Lena/Supergirl triangle, aren't they? I can only assume it's so they can have DRAMA when Lena finally finds out about the secret identity. Do we think it's going to happen this season (at the end?) or the next?

[legaleagle53]

On 5/19/2018 at 11:47 PM, Trini said:

Well, at least one couple is gettin' any:

 

As for the Kara/Mon-El/Imra triangle (that was actually mainly two-sided), wow. Even though I was expecting them to give Mon-El an easy 'out' of his marriage, I was NOT expecting the easiest of outs with Imra being super cool with her husband going back to his ex.

Well, considering that by the time Imra returns to the 31st Century alone, both Mon-El and Kara will have been dead from her perspective for about 1,000 years, it's not that hard to believe that she'd accept it.  She knows that Mon-El belongs in his own time, and she's not going to stand in the way of history.  Besides, she'll find her REAL soulmate in Lightning Lad.

[Trini]

22 hours ago, legaleagle53 said:

Well, considering that by the time Imra returns to the 31st Century alone, both Mon-El and Kara will have been dead from her perspective for about 1,000 years, it's not that hard to believe that she'd accept it.  She knows that Mon-El belongs in his own time, and she's not going to stand in the way of history.  Besides, she'll find her REAL soulmate in Lightning Lad.

But they are MARRIED. So unless that means nothing in the 31st century, it's not a good look for either of them. But they didn't put much effort into establishing the Mon-El/Imra relationship; they should have, if they wanted some real conflict for Mon-El. Now I wonder why they bothered with having Mon-El be married at all.

[legaleagle53]

22 hours ago, Trini said:

But they are MARRIED. So unless that means nothing in the 31st century, it's not a good look for either of them. But they didn't put much effort into establishing the Mon-El/Imra relationship; they should have, if they wanted some real conflict for Mon-El. Now I wonder why they bothered with having Mon-El be married at all.

Yes, they're married as long as they're together in the same era, but from her perspective in her own time, she's been his widow now for about a full millennium, and from his in 2018, she won't even be born -- much less of an age to be legally married to him -- until long after he's dead.  As long as he stays in 2018 and she stays in 3018, there's no problem.  If he and Kara somehow travel to 3018 or Imra returns to 2018, then there's a problem, and the marriage will have to be annulled (or he and Imra will have to divorce) before he can really be free to move forward with Kara -- assuming that Kara doesn't get involved with Brainiac 5 in the meantime (which is supposed to be HER canon pairing, according to the comics).

[Trini]

Nah. They're presently married whichever timeline either of them are in. I knew there wasn't going to be a good solution when they introduced this arc.

[Trini]

So unless they introduce someone new, (possible?) there's the possibility of a Kara/Brainy pairing. Before, I would have thought they wouldn't, since there's been no hints/lead up to that; but the show has made several abrupt swerves when it comes to relationships. If they do try it, I'm expecting a literal personality transplant for Brainy.

[legaleagle53]

3 hours ago, Trini said:

So unless they introduce someone new, (possible?) there's the possibility of a Kara/Brainy pairing. Before, I would have thought they wouldn't, since there's been no hints/lead up to that; but the show has made several abrupt swerves when it comes to relationships. If they do try it, I'm expecting a literal personality transplant for Brainy.

I'd be more surprised if they DIDN'T go there, since Brainy and Kara are a canon couple in the comics, or at least they were all through the Silver Age.

[CabotCove]

On 13/07/2018 at 12:57 AM, Trini said:

, I'm expecting a literal personality transplant for Brainy.

Too funny

[Trini]

Well, looks like they're going with Nia/Brainy rather than Kara/Brainy. No personality transplant; but they are making an effort to show Brainy as less robotic and more human. Which is good, whether he's in a romantic relationship or not.

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I'm sad about James and Lena at odds, but we knew this was coming. ?

[Trini]

James and Lena are back together, and I assume it will stick for the rest of the season, because it would be silly to break them up twice. They'll still have disagreements/tension about Lena's experiments, I'm sure.

And they're still doing teases with Brainy and Nia, but now I'm not so sure if the show is committed to actually getting them together. The fake date could have been a small step forward, but to me it played out like a step back. It's only mid-season though; plenty of time for them to swing back in the other direction.

[Starry]

They're probably putting Brainy and Nia on ice for the time being. When she said that she didn't know if she was interested in him I too got the impression that they were taking a step back. I think Brainy needs to lose a lot of his awkwardness before I can see him seriously dating someone. I buy Nia's affection for him but he's not really reciprocating. It works for now because this is new for him and he's still adapting but this fish-out-of-water thing he's got going on prevents me from seeing romantic chemistry between him and anyone.

Loved watching Kara and Lena hang out. It's been a while. Their conversation revolved around James but I'll take what I can get.

The winter premiere was one of the best episodes for the Danvers sisters. I doubt Alex's memories are lost for good. I wonder if the power of sisterly love will eventually make her remember. They seem to give Kara and Alex enough of these OTP-worthy moments.

[Trini]

12 hours ago, Starry said:

The winter premiere was one of the best episodes for the Danvers sisters. I doubt Alex's memories are lost for good. I wonder if the power of sisterly love will eventually make her remember. They seem to give Kara and Alex enough of these OTP-worthy moments.

Maybe; the promo suggests that Alex recognizes something is wrong, so I can see that happening. I just wonder how long they're going to let her memory loss go on.

And the sister relationship with Alex is Kara's most important one on the show, but I'd still like to see her have a love life of some kind. It doesn't have to be 'OTP' and all that if they don't want to. I know I'm tempting fate since the show has messed up on her love interests before, but I think Kara should have some romance!

[Oreo2234]

I hope the "solution" isn't just J'onn further altering her memories so she doesn't even notice the inaccuracies/gaps {he's touching her head in the promo). 

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It doesn't have to be 'OTP' and all that if they don't want to. I know I'm tempting fate since the show has messed up on her love interests before, but I think Kara should have some romance!

I wouldn't mind if she gets the occasional temporary love interest but they hold off on giving her a longer term one for a while. 

[Starry]

On 23/1/2019 at 12:21 AM, Trini said:

And the sister relationship with Alex is Kara's most important one on the show, but I'd still like to see her have a love life of some kind. It doesn't have to be 'OTP' and all that if they don't want to. I know I'm tempting fate since the show has messed up on her love interests before, but I think Kara should have some romance!

I agree. My favorite Kara romance was the brief one with Adam in s1. I wouldn't mind something similar.

I didn't ship Kara and James but I don't think they were a bad couple. The problem is that the writers weren't invested and it showed in the way they dropped them. More than bad/toxic writing I blame lack of investment for the failure that was Karolsen.

[Trini]

What is even going on with the relationships here??

They cripple the Kara/Alex sister relationship, which is kind of interesting, but sad. And Kara's in a romantic dry spell that's going on 2 seasons, with no prospects in sight.

Alex's personal life suddenly comes back after being ignored for the whole season so far. Which is a positive turn, but why did it take so long?

Brainy's going to paired up with Nia instead of Kara; but they still seem uncommitted. They keep taking steps forward AND backward.

And then they break up James and Lena in a lackluster and nonsensical way, after just getting them back together.

J'onn doesn't really have any new relationships, but at least he's still Space Dad to his two multi-planetary adopted daughters.

[Trini]

Ugh - when is Alex going to get back her memories of 'Kara is Supergirl'? (It has to happen sometime this season, right?) The disconnect between the sisters is killing me!

I'd say there's still a chance for James and Lena since she pushed him away for a specific reason, BUT then there's the whole thing where she was working with Lex who was behind him nearly dying, which also furthered his plans. So maybe not.

So the 'one step forward, two steps back' deal with Nia and Brainy wasn't just stalling, it's the pattern they've chosen for this couple. Annoying, but at least I know how to set my expectations.

Edited March 19, 2019 by Trini

[Trini]

I don't remember -- does Kelly Olsen know that Kara is Supergirl? I feel like the answer is 'No' since I don't think there was any explicit scene or dialog that makes that clear; however, she's hanging around with ALL the people who know The Secret, so I would think she does know.

[Trini]

10 hours ago, bros402 said:

Why do we need Kara in a relationship? Can't we just have her have good friendships, like with Lena and Batwoman?

Because while I think friendship is great - and they actually do that better here than most CW/DC shows - she can have more. I'm interested in how a superhero explores dating, etc.

[BaggythePanther]

12 hours ago, Trini said:

Because while I think friendship is great - and they actually do that better here than most CW/DC shows - she can have more. I'm interested in how a superhero explores dating, etc.

I agree with you in theory but this show just does such a terrible job with Kara’s love life and isn’t great about romances in general. I’m not all that eager to see Kara in a relationship because I don’t trust that it will be engaging or well-written and they can’t seem to find a good match for Kara. Maybe William will become interesting and develop a personality, but that should happen before he gets with Kara, not after.

[bros402]

13 hours ago, Trini said:

Because while I think friendship is great - and they actually do that better here than most CW/DC shows - she can have more. I'm interested in how a superhero explores dating, etc.

They aren't very good at writing relationships for Kara - everyone else, they are decent at. With Kara, it just feels.... off

[Trini]

I agree that the show has issues when it comes to doing romance, but I don't think that should stop them from trying. Kara's the central character; I think she deserves a love life.

[Featherhat]

4 minutes ago, Trini said:

I agree that the show has issues when it comes to doing romance, but I don't think that should stop them from trying. Kara's the central character; I think she deserves a love life.

Yes, she's a woman in her late 20s/early 30s she shouldn't give up on dating just because her writers can suck at it. And I say this as someone who liked the beginning of Karolsen and the two episode relationship with Adam (eep) and that's it really. 

She's been single since the end of S2 and romantic drama free since the end of S3, I can see why they're thinking about William even if he screams bland and temporary to me.

I'm kind of surprised they never tried it with Brainey - there were a couple of potential moments there in S3, even though I do enjoy Brainey/Nia a lot. 

[Lady Calypso]

Honestly, the issue with Kara's serious relationships so far (granted, it's just Mon-El and now William) is that they start off the same way: Kara hates the guy. There's an animosity there. Then it grows into something where the guy kind of becomes nicer for reasons. 

I'd rather see Kara start a relationship where there's no animosity. I'd rather see her start with a guy who's actually nice and funny and bubbly, like her. Some of Kara's better relationships (for lack of a better term) have been with Barry (they hinted at it in season 1, and then obviously nothing came of it) and....urg, unfortunately Adam (which is now tainted, but at the time, it was something that worked for me; now I hate it with a burning passion). 

I know she hasn't had a lot of relationships, but if they introduced the right character played by the right actor, then it could work. But, right now, Kara's longest relationship have been Mon-El (the actor's fantastic; the character was shit in his first season) and now potentially William, who isn't even played by a good actor.

I wish they had allowed Kara to date more freely at any point in the series. I would have loved to see half a season with Kara just going out on dates. I understood why, at the time, they didn't do that for the early seasons. And maybe Melissa specifically asked for less romantic scenes after the season 2 disaster that was Kara/Mon-El (again, totally understandable) but with them pursuing William/Kara now...I dunno, I'd rather just see Kara decide to date casually. That would be way more fun to watch.

[Featherhat]

19 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

I'd rather see Kara start a relationship where there's no animosity. I'd rather see her start with a guy who's actually nice and funny and bubbly, like her. Some of Kara's better relationships (for lack of a better term) have been with Barry (they hinted at it in season 1, and then obviously nothing came of it) and....urg, unfortunately Adam (which is now tainted, but at the time, it was something that worked for me; now I hate it with a burning passion). 

I know, when I was watching Melissa's video I was all "ugh I loved them on screen at the time this was all going down....." Horrible. 

I wouldn't mind seeing Kara go out on casual dates over the course of a season and seeing who sticks. Though that doesn't happen very often for a non romcom type show with a female lead. 

I think they've found their "quirky adorable pair" in Brainy/Nia so that probably rules them out of looking for another Barry type, which I would watch. I have a feeling that though William won't last (hopefully) they're a bit stuck in the hate to love thing for Kara. And right now we have Lena going from love to hate/hurt which whilst they are definitely not going there has some of the same markers as a romantic relationship gone bad.

Maybe they think she's too sweet and sugary otherwise and want to do a sweet and salty pairing?

[shantown]

I would like to see someone who complements Kara's skills, rather than overtaking them. With Mon-El he had a lot of the same powers and ended up at being better at "cape tricks", etc. It lessened how great Kara was. Same with William of the Times of London. Kara's a great reporter. We didn't need someone to come in and be a more accomplished reporter on some big undercover story. I would like to see Kara date around a bit, which gives the writers a chance to see what traits work best (and what fans are most receptive too) and then go from there. 

[Trini]

8 hours ago, Featherhat said:

She's been single since the end of S2 and romantic drama free since the end of S3, I can see why they're thinking about William even if he screams bland and temporary to me.

Temporary is actually what I prefer until they find an actor/character that really sparks with Melissa/Kara. So William doesn't really worry or upset me, I don't think he'll be here for long.

 

3 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

I'd rather see Kara start a relationship where there's no animosity. I'd rather see her start with a guy who's actually nice and funny and bubbly, like her. Some of Kara's better relationships (for lack of a better term) have been with Barry (they hinted at it in season 1, and then obviously nothing came of it) and....urg, unfortunately Adam (which is now tainted, but at the time, it was something that worked for me; now I hate it with a burning passion). 

Wow, Barry makes the list but not even James who was actually in the love interest position for a whole season? Grant and Melissa are great together, but I think Barry(or someone Barry-like) and Kara they are too similar to really work as a romantic couple:

3 hours ago, Featherhat said:

Maybe they think she's too sweet and sugary otherwise and want to do a sweet and salty pairing?

This could be a part of their reasoning. They need some bit of tension or conflict for TV.

Ideally, I'd like to see Kara with someone who both inspires her, and is inspired by her.

 

3 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

I wish they had allowed Kara to date more freely at any point in the series. I would have loved to see half a season with Kara just going out on dates. ...

This is what I wanted in Season 1, since she doesn't really have a solid 'OTP' in the comics.

[Starry]

I think right now Brainy would be my favorite choice for Kara which surprises me because I didn't think they would mesh when he was first introduced and I never saw a spark between her and the Barry-type characters.

But something changed last year. When the show allows Brainy to be more serious and calm and something more than a fish out of water he does have chemistry with his female costars. I saw a hint of it in season 4 when he convinced Kara to march and they held hands. It was nothing major and I doubt the writers were teasing them as a couple but in that moment I thought they could work if the show ever went there. Brainy and Nia are adorable when they allow them to just be cute and romantic. I think that he and Kara would be good too if the writers were interested. Except they never considered Brainy as a real option so I gave up.

I don't hate William and I don't see their relationship as a enemies to lovers romance as he was faking it the entire time. My problem is that the writing is too heavy-handed and the actor is not the most charismatic. But when they don't put them in scenes that just scream ROMANCE they have an ok chemistry and I liked their moments in the last episode when Kara teased William about his sad dinner and invited him to game night. I think it wouldn't be bad if they casually dated for a while but I don't see anything that makes me believe he's her soulmate.

I agree with those who liked Kara and Adam together. I thought they had the best chemistry which makes me gag considering what a POS the actor ended up being.

[Oreo2234]

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I wish they had allowed Kara to date more freely at any point in the series. I would have loved to see half a season with Kara just going out on dates. I understood why, at the time, they didn't do that for the early seasons. And maybe Melissa specifically asked for less romantic scenes after the season 2 disaster that was Kara/Mon-El (again, totally understandable) but with them pursuing William/Kara now...I dunno, I'd rather just see Kara decide to date casually. That would be way more fun to watch.

I agree. Kara should get a love life but she doesn't have to have a major romance or settle down by the end of the series. Unlike Alex she hasn't expressed a strong desire for marriage and children. As other have said, she doesn't have a true love in the comics either. 

 

[Lady Calypso]

1 hour ago, Trini said:

Wow, Barry makes the list but not even James who was actually in the love interest position for a whole season? Grant and Melissa are great together, but I think Barry(or someone Barry-like) and Kara they are too similar to really work as a romantic couple:

Damn! I knew I was forgetting someone! I was thinking that my list of romantic love interests was abnormally low. And I genuinely feel bad about forgetting about James, since he did end up growing on me and I liked him in season 1. That was me legitimately forgetting, not intentionally leaving him out. Also, I just realized that I ALSO left Winn out. It was technically a one sided romance on Winn's end, but I think it still counts (and also showed why they didn't work out, more than Kara not liking him back).

Although, I guess James doesn't fit either of my criteria. Kara/James weren't enemies right off the bat...but I also felt like they weren't entirely similar, besides both being reporters. But, honestly, in hindsight, someone like James isn't necessarily a bad choice for Kara. I think a mixture of Barry and James would be a good fit for Kara. Someone who shares her passions but also is just as fun as she is. I think she needs someone low-maintenance and carefree.

But just seeing her date would be a treat. That would bring out a whole lot of fun for the show, something that's kind of been missing on and off.

 

[angora]

Yeah, I think the "try someone for an episode or two and see if it clicks" might work better than "Now Introducing Kara's New Love Interest!!!" On a personal level, I never mind a lack of romantic storylines, but it's such a key aspect of the majority of shows (and this is a CW show, for goodness sake!) that it seems conspicuous that she's gone so long without even a date. Only now that they're dangling William out there, it's very, to paraphrase Michael Bluth, "Him?" I agree with @Lady Calypso, someone with qualities from both Barry and James would probably be a good match.

More on the friendship side, I loved how Crisis emphasized the growing Kara-Kate friendship, but I hope future crossovers continue to feature Kara-Barry too (they were so cute together in the last episode of Crisis when they realized they were on the same Earth now.) I adore the basket-of-puppies air they bring to their friendship. But then, it's also cool how Kara's friendship with Kate brings out different sides of her than her friendship with Barry. More of both, please!

[BaggythePanther]

With the way things have been going with Kara’s love interests, I’m just hoping they bring in Comet the Super Horse at some point.

[Trini]

9 minutes ago, BaggythePanther said:

With the way things have been going with Kara’s love interests, I’m just hoping they bring in Comet the Super Horse at some point.

Why would you jinx us like this?! 😂