General Gabbery: DWTS

[vavera4ka]

I miss Louis... :(

He was my fav pro... sigh...

[realdancemom]

On 10/29/2018 at 8:38 AM, vdw84 said:

was this the jive?? It looked like the cha cha cha.

Finally saw the clip.  It was a cha cha cha and not a jive.  But it does show Louis' crazy hips which I previously mentioned.  I like watching him do a samba too.

[LoveDance]

On 10/29/2018 at 12:38 PM, vdw84 said:

I didnt think it was. That was clearly a cha cha cha, I knew I wasnt confused, lol.

Dang, posted the wrong one, although loved that cha cha - here's the Jive 

http://bit.ly/13pDShb

[madpsych78]

Bringing this from the episode thread:

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They've started rehearsing for Team dances. It's Juan Pablo/DeMarcus/Alexis/Joe (according to Cheryl's instagram they're called #teamJoedown) vs. Milo/Evanna/John/Bobby.

Next week is Country night, and John and Bobby are associated with country music. For that reason, and for the fact that Joe is on the other team, I predict that the Milo/Evanna/John/Bobby team will get slightly higher scores. I'm wondering if TPTB kept John and Bobby around for country night (doesn't explain why Joe is still in though).

[boyznkatz]

12 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

Bringing this from the episode thread:

Next week is Country night, and John and Bobby are associated with country music. For that reason, and for the fact that Joe is on the other team, I predict that the Milo/Evanna/John/Bobby team will get slightly higher scores. I'm wondering if TPTB kept John and Bobby around for country night (doesn't explain why Joe is still in though).

I think the team with Alexis is going to win because they are smacking of desperation to get her in the finals. She must be going on tour. I think Milo is going to win, anyway, but they do need to get Alexis in there.

[vdw84]

39 minutes ago, boyznkatz said:

I think the team with Alexis is going to win because they are smacking of desperation to get her in the finals. She must be going on tour. I think Milo is going to win, anyway, but they do need to get Alexis in there.

Bingo, like I have said she must be the other person going on tour because they are stopping at nothing to get her there. She got maddie zeiglar as a trio partner who has a huge following, the new showmance is going on now. Its all working in her favor at this point. TPTB is working overload at this point to get her as far as possible rather she wins or not but they need to get her to the finales so she can be a great run for the tour.

[Lady Calypso]

2 hours ago, vdw84 said:

Bingo, like I have said she must be the other person going on tour because they are stopping at nothing to get her there. She got maddie zeiglar as a trio partner who has a huge following, the new showmance is going on now. Its all working in her favor at this point. TPTB is working overload at this point to get her as far as possible rather she wins or not but they need to get her to the finales so she can be a great run for the tour.

Well, the trio with Maddie did nothing to keep her safe this week, and neither has the showmance, which also just started last week. I do agree that they want Alexis in the finals, but I think they just don't want all men in the finals. I just don't get why they aren't putting their eggs in Evanna's basket, but maybe it's more that they prefer Alan over Keo, rather than Alexis over Evanna? 

At this point, TPTB would need to blatantly step in to ensure either Alexis or Evanna get to the finals, because I see a 0% chance of that happening at this point. They're outnumbered and Bobby, Joe, and Milo have much bigger fanbases. Same with Demarcus, and I'm unsure about Juan Pablo and John.

[vdw84]

3 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Well, the trio with Maddie did nothing to keep her safe this week, and neither has the showmance, which also just started last week. I do agree that they want Alexis in the finals, but I think they just don't want all men in the finals. I just don't get why they aren't putting their eggs in Evanna's basket, but maybe it's more that they prefer Alan over Keo, rather than Alexis over Evanna? 

At this point, TPTB would need to blatantly step in to ensure either Alexis or Evanna get to the finals, because I see a 0% chance of that happening at this point. They're outnumbered and Bobby, Joe, and Milo have much bigger fanbases. Same with Demarcus, and I'm unsure about Juan Pablo and John.

I know the whole maddie and showmance thing is not helping her but its obvious what tptb was trying to do. The desperation is what is going to hurt her because its obvious what the producers are doing and alot of people arent falling for it. My thing is Evanna is getting votes but she may not be able to do tour, so they arent pushing her like Alexis.  I havent heard anything about the dudes going on tour, I thought Milo would be going but I havent even heard anything about him but I have been hearing rumors of Alexis and that is pro why she is being pushed so hard.

[boyznkatz]

I must say that besides the mild pimping of Alexis, this is really the first season in a while where they have done very little manipulating. The judges are actually giving the worst dancers the low scores, and the good dancers the high scores. I think that is exactly why schmucks like Bobby and horrible dancers like Joe are probably going to be in the final while the good dancers go home.

And Lady Calypso, I'm also wondering why they don't pimp Evanna over Alexis. She has a far better chance of getting to the final with any kind of pimpage. I'm guessing she's unavailable for the tour.

[spanana]

Does Bobby ever stop complaining or looking for conspiracy theories?  So he posted about how it's a good thing people vote for him because the judges hate him or have something against him.  I saw the post earlier, though now I can't remember where it was or on what platform.  Additionally he also had the twitter for his show post something about how Bobby is warning everyone that their country group dance will be full of stereotypes of what it means to be country and none of it was his decision.  I think the latter is the epitome of taking yourself way too seriously.  It's a stupid gimmicky group dance.  It's not that serious.

[vdw84]

Im so glad I checked out of this season. Between Bobby's whining, Joe cant dance to save his ass but manages stay in the competition, Jenna and Val engagement being thrown in our faces every week and another vomitfest showmance, I can honestly say youtube has been my friend this season.

[boyznkatz]

11 minutes ago, spanana said:

Does Bobby ever stop complaining or looking for conspiracy theories?  So he posted about how it's a good thing people vote for him because the judges hate him or have something against him.  I saw the post earlier, though now I can't remember where it was or on what platform.  Additionally he also had the twitter for his show post something about how Bobby is warning everyone that their country group dance will be full of stereotypes of what it means to be country and none of it was his decision.  I think the latter is the epitome of taking yourself way too seriously.  It's a stupid gimmicky group dance.  It's not that serious.

As annoying as he is, I can sort of see why he hates stereotypes. I'm from the south, and this is why I hate themes like "country week." They make all southerners look like illiterate schmucks. Although I don't like country music, they could definitely do it tastefully like using music by Hank Williams or Johnny Cash, but I'm pretty sure they are going to stink up the cheese.

[spanana]

39 minutes ago, boyznkatz said:

As annoying as he is, I can sort of see why he hates stereotypes. I'm from the south, and this is why I hate themes like "country week." They make all southerners look like illiterate schmucks. Although I don't like country music, they could definitely do it tastefully like using music by Hank Williams or Johnny Cash, but I'm pretty sure they are going to stink up the cheese.

I get stereotypes, but considering the guy is a white male and therefore is one of the least oppressed humans in existence, I don't care.  Stereotypes are bad, yes.  But at least those stereotypes aren't robbing him of his ability to vote or his legal rights.   Yes, I went there because I do roll my eyes at any sort supposed of white male oppression. 

Not to mention, there is a lot of actual country music that 100% plays to said stereotypes.

It also would be different if Bobby didn't whine over every little thing.  It's just his latest thing to whine about this week.

[boyznkatz]

22 minutes ago, spanana said:

I get stereotypes, but considering the guy is a white male and therefore is one of the least oppressed humans in existence, I don't care.  Stereotypes are bad, yes.  But at least those stereotypes aren't robbing him of his ability to vote or his legal rights.   Yes, I went there because I do roll my eyes at any sort supposed of white male oppression. 

Not to mention, there is a lot of actual country music that 100% plays to said stereotypes.

It also would be different if Bobby didn't whine over every little thing.  It's just his latest thing to whine about this week.

Well being an Indian American female, I'm definitely no stereotypical southerner but I definitely love Texas and consider it home since I lived there for so long. I'm pretty sick of people thinking we are all stupid and wear cowboy hats to bed, so I can see his annoyance there, since dwts will no doubt make this as cheesy and dumb as possible.

I do wonder though, since I know little about him, do country music purists like Bobby? I have several friends who like country music (and most of them are the types who like George Straight and hate the crossover stuff), and they never mentioned him.

If he did claim he is oppressed though, that's another story entirely. Yuck and screw him.

Edited November 1, 2018 by boyznkatz

[vdw84]

Bobby is like that one annoying fly u cant get out of ur house, u know the one that just keeps flying everywhere and just wish it would just somewhere or wish that u can actually finally get rid of it but it just keeps sticking around being its same annoying self.

[Lady Calypso]

1 hour ago, spanana said:

Does Bobby ever stop complaining or looking for conspiracy theories?  So he posted about how it's a good thing people vote for him because the judges hate him or have something against him.  I saw the post earlier, though now I can't remember where it was or on what platform.  Additionally he also had the twitter for his show post something about how Bobby is warning everyone that their country group dance will be full of stereotypes of what it means to be country and none of it was his decision.  I think the latter is the epitome of taking yourself way too seriously.  It's a stupid gimmicky group dance.  It's not that serious.

Never. I decided to scroll through his tweets a couple of days ago (I think to see if he was shit-talking his fellow competitors) and he likes and retweets a bunch of stuff about how he's being treated unfairly and how his scores aren't what they should be and blahblahblah. He seems to take everything personally and then magnifies it ten-fold. 

[howmanywords]

And the scary thing with Bobby is he has the kind of fans that actually listen to his bullshit and he's getting them riled up. He also has influential country DJ's on his side who reach a lot of people,people who vote. This week when I was reading through tweets after the show I found it disturbing how livid some of these people were, really downright nasty. If the judges don't praise him there are a slew of  some form of "oh yeah? You wanna mess with Bobby like that well screw you we're going to vote harder now" tweets. Scary.

[calipiano81]

Dances/Songs for Week 7 Country Night:

(copied from Pure)

 

Milo & Witney – foxtrot (song: “ Born to Love You ” performed live by LANCO)
1-800-868-3410

John & Emma – jazz (song: “ Thank God I’m a Country Boy ” by John Denver)
1-800-868-3407

DeMarcus & Lindsay – Viennese waltz (song: “ Tennessee Whiskey ” by Chris Stapleton)1-800-868-3404

Evanna & Keo – rumba (song: “ Every Little Thing” performed live by Carly Pearce)
1-800-868-3405

Bobby & Sharna – V. Waltz (Song: “Can’t Help Falling in Love” performed by Chris Janson) 1-800-868-3402

Alexis & Alan – samba (song: “ Ladies in the ’90s ” performed live by Lauren Alaina)
1-800-868-3401

Joe & Jenna – tango (song: “ Burning Man ” by Dierks Bentley feat. Brothers Osbourne) 1-800-868-3406

Juan Pablo & Cheryl – Charleston (song: “ One Shot ” by Hunter Hayes)
1-800-868-3408

 

Team Joe Down (song: “ Country Girl ” by Luke Bryan)
Juan and Cheryl
DeMarcus and Lindsay
Alexis and Alan
Joe and Jenna

Team HayNow (song: “ 9 to 5 ” by Dolly Parton)
Milo and Witney
Evanna and Keo
Bobby and Sharna
John and Emma

[spanana]

1 hour ago, howmanywords said:

And the scary thing with Bobby is he has the kind of fans that actually listen to his bullshit and he's getting them riled up. He also has influential country DJ's on his side who reach a lot of people,people who vote. This week when I was reading through tweets after the show I found it disturbing how livid some of these people were, really downright nasty. If the judges don't praise him there are a slew of  some form of "oh yeah? You wanna mess with Bobby like that well screw you we're going to vote harder now" tweets. Scary.

I keep going back and forth on whether Joe or Bobby is worse.  Joe is the worst dancer of the season and should be long gone, but Bobby is a more annoying person.  Joe asks his people to vote and I don't think he's above playing the "Poor Joe" card and has to an extent, but at least he doesn't live on social media peddling conspiracy theories and riling up his fans.  My only hope, though it's a small one, is that Joe's fans this past week were placated by his inflated scores and compliments from the judges.  Bobby I think is a bigger threat to actually almost take the trophy home. I could see him being the runner up (ICK!)

[madpsych78]

17 hours ago, spanana said:

I keep going back and forth on whether Joe or Bobby is worse.  Joe is the worst dancer of the season and should be long gone, but Bobby is a more annoying person.  Joe asks his people to vote and I don't think he's above playing the "Poor Joe" card and has to an extent, but at least he doesn't live on social media peddling conspiracy theories and riling up his fans.  My only hope, though it's a small one, is that Joe's fans this past week were placated by his inflated scores and compliments from the judges.  Bobby I think is a bigger threat to actually almost take the trophy home. I could see him being the runner up (ICK!)

I could see this. Plus, Jenna has won the mirror ball, while Sharna's fans may be clamoring for her to win her first one.

[realdancemom]

38 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

I could see this. Plus, Jenna has won the mirror ball, while Sharna's fans may be clamoring for her to win her first one.

I really hope that Bobby doesn't win.  He's better than Joe dance-wise but still not a good dancer.  Plus I hate reading about all his whining or watching his package complaining about his schedule.  So I guess he is whining again about his scores.  This week, his dance was nice but it was more contemporary than AT so I can see why he received his scores.  The little AT that I did see was done by Sharna who looked really good in that dance.  I do see Bobby being in the finals because of his fan base but please no mirrorball.

[vdw84]

7 minutes ago, realdancemom said:

I really hope that Bobby doesn't win.  He's better than Joe dance-wise but still not a good dancer.  Plus I hate reading about all his whining or watching his package complaining about his schedule.  So I guess he is whining again about his scores.  This week, his dance was nice but it was more contemporary than AT so I can see why he received his scores.  The little AT that I did see was done by Sharna who looked really good in that dance.  I do see Bobby being in the finals because of his fan base but please no mirrorball.

The way this season has been going, I wouldnt be surprise if Bobby won and Joe ends up winner up. I mean I wouldnt be shock of any of this tbh.  Lets just call this the season of nondancers taking it all because I have never known it to be these many novices left in the competition and were going into week 7 and its how many weeks 9 or 10?

[spanana]

55 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

I could see this. Plus, Jenna has won the mirror ball, while Sharna's fans may be clamoring for her to win her first one.

Jenna won a fake mirrorball, but still.  Nobody should have won a mirrorball for that sham of a four week season.  But your point stands that her fans should be more placated than Sharna's, since Sharna hasn't even won a fake mirrorball. 

Which if Bobby were smart, he should be pushing that angle with his fans about doing this for Sharna and how she's never won.  I can't keep track of what he has or hasn't said...has he ever brought it up about winning for her or is he just so hyperfocused on his conspiracy theories? 

Edited November 2, 2018 by spanana

[vdw84]

Just now, spanana said:

Jenna won a fake mirrorball, but still.  Nobody should have won a mirrorball for that sham of a four week season.

Im starting to think that athlete season was made specifically for Jenna so she can win a trophy to match her Val and the thing they have hardly even mentioned her win this entire season, just her damn engagement to Val. Its like she is nothing without Val.

[spanana]

Just now, vdw84 said:

Im starting to think that athlete season was made specifically for Jenna so she can win a trophy to match her Val and the thing they have hardly even mentioned her win this entire season, just her damn engagement to Val. Its like she is nothing without Val.

I feel like maybe it was mentioned that she was the reigning champ at the beginning and maybe it was mentioned on Jrs., but it's part the misogyny of the show and part Jenna I think.  The show does seem to have wittled her worth down to who she is marrying, by making almost everything she does on the show about Val and introducing her as Val's fiancee and etc.  Some of that is not on her.  On the other hand, she 100% plays into it at every turn.  Need a package about Joe?  Let's go on a double date and I'll pretend to be scared and bury my face in Val's chest!  Need a soundbite? Let me talk about how this is the best year of my life because Val, Val, Val (though I'd like to think many would make their best year about their significant other VAL) and then I'll sit on his lap while you play it back for the live audience.  Plus her whole insta feed, at least the stories are an ode to her "hot" man.

But also notice while I know we aren't at the end of the season yet, the show itself hasn't really trotted out Adam the same way they have Jordan or Rashad.  On Jrs., yes, since he is inexplicably a judge there, but Adam's presence on Jrs. certainly isn't keeping him from appearing on the regular show since that was taped over the summer.  Look at how much Jordan has been on this season.  You would think he is the reigning champ from his omni presence, and in my mind he is.  Mind you it's just possible that Adam is busy. I don't follow him to know what it is he does careerwise or if he's busy with skating and etc.

[A.Ham]

Can we have a no-theme theme week?

Just freakin' dance people.

That is all.

[boyznkatz]

Adam does a lot of tours, so he might be busy. Do Jordan and Rashad do anything besides plug dwts? With their charisma, you would think they would have other gigs by now.

The sad thing about Jenna is that she's talented and certainly doesn't need Val to succeed. I don't know if the show pushed her to make everything about Val, or she does it on her own. I do like her dancing and feel sorry for her because Joe is pretty much hopeless. I think she would be a lot better with a different partner and definitely if she took herself out of Val's shadow.

[spanana]

3 minutes ago, boyznkatz said:

Adam does a lot of tours, so he might be busy. Do Jordan and Rashad do anything besides plug dwts? With their charisma, you would think they would have other gigs by now.

Jordan was mostly on regular DWTS I think to plug Jrs.  Also he was just cast in Rent Live, though of course it hadn't started rehearsing at the time he was on DWTS.  He will be busy with that.  Tinashe is in it too.  So Jordan has enough going on with his career.  Rashad, I couldn't tell you.  I think he's trying to figure out what he wants to do now that his football career is done.  He was dabbling in acting and writing and etc.  Last season he had a role as Nicole Richie's husband in an episode of Great News, but I'm not sure if he's gotten other acting jobs.

[boyznkatz]

6 minutes ago, spanana said:

Jordan was mostly on regular DWTS I think to plug Jrs.  Also he was just cast in Rent Live, though of course it hadn't started rehearsing at the time he was on DWTS.  He will be busy with that.  Tinashe is in it too.  So Jordan has enough going on with his career.  Rashad, I couldn't tell you.  I think he's trying to figure out what he wants to do now that his football career is done.  He was dabbling in acting and writing and etc.  Last season he had a role as Nicole Richie's husband in an episode of Great News, but I'm not sure if he's gotten other acting jobs.

Who does Jordan play on Rent Live?

RE Rashad, I figured he was doing dwts to get a job on ESPN, but I guess I was wrong.

[spanana]

3 minutes ago, boyznkatz said:

Who does Jordan play on Rent Live?

RE Rashad, I figured he was doing dwts to get a job on ESPN, but I guess I was wrong.

Jordan is playing Mark.  You can see his tweets about it here:

Here's the full casting link.  Tinashe is playing Mimi.

http://www.playbill.com/article/jordan-fisher-vanessa-hudgens-brandon-victor-dixon-valentina-announced-for-foxs-rent-live

As for Rashad, he might be angling for an ESPN job.  I'm not sure he knows what he wants or if he's just looking for whoever bites first.

[vdw84]

11 minutes ago, spanana said:

Jordan was mostly on regular DWTS I think to plug Jrs.  Also he was just cast in Rent Live, though of course it hadn't started rehearsing at the time he was on DWTS.  He will be busy with that.  Tinashe is in it too.  So Jordan has enough going on with his career.  Rashad, I couldn't tell you.  I think he's trying to figure out what he wants to do now that his football career is done.  He was dabbling in acting and writing and etc.  Last season he had a role as Nicole Richie's husband in an episode of Great News, but I'm not sure if he's gotten other acting jobs.

Im truly happy about Tinashe being in Rent, after what happen with dwts, Im glad she has something exciting to look forward to because she is so talented and it was truly wasted on dwts because her time was cut way too short.

Just now, spanana said:

As for Rashad, he might be angling for an ESPN job.  I'm not sure he knows what he wants or if he's just looking for whoever bites first.

I like Rashad but he needs to move on from being dwts new token black it boy since Alfonso screwed up. Hopefully he can get it together and figure out what he wants to do and leave dwts behind and the same for Jordan, he is way too talented to be wasting himself away on dwts. Glad he got a part in Rent. I like to see talent from dwts move on beyond dwts and do great things not stay with this sham of a show.

[fpbl83]

1 hour ago, spanana said:

I feel like maybe it was mentioned that she was the reigning champ at the beginning and maybe it was mentioned on Jrs., but it's part the misogyny of the show and part Jenna I think.  The show does seem to have wittled her worth down to who she is marrying, by making almost everything she does on the show about Val and introducing her as Val's fiancee and etc.  Some of that is not on her.  On the other hand, she 100% plays into it at every turn.  Need a package about Joe?  Let's go on a double date and I'll pretend to be scared and bury my face in Val's chest!  Need a soundbite? Let me talk about how this is the best year of my life because Val, Val, Val (though I'd like to think many would make their best year about their significant other VAL) and then I'll sit on his lap while you play it back for the live audience.  Plus her whole insta feed, at least the stories are an ode to her "hot" man.

 

If Val ever left her for good she would probably try to hurt herself. I'm not kidding. She would have to be placed on suicide watch.  

[vdw84]

17 minutes ago, fpbl83 said:

If Val ever left her for good she would probably try to hurt herself. I'm not kidding. She would have to be placed on suicide watch.  

I said the same thing, Jenna has no life outside of Val. When u have pretty much have ur whole life revolved around one person, it is never healthy. One thing I will say about Peta, even tho I feel like she obsessed with Maks too but she seems to have her own thing outside of Maks. She seems to have girls night from time to time and have other business ventures she is involved in that doesnt consist of Maks like her little acting gig she has been doing. JJ doesnt do anything without Val and all she has is dwts and sytycd from time to time and those two things are revolved around her relationship with Val. I think if Val leaves her or if they dont make this time, its going to send her over because they have been so open now and officially a couple.

[vdw84]

Do anyone know how dwts jr is doing in ratings? I havent heard much people talk about the show. I think with the show not being live and didnt get great promotion really hurt it from what it could have been.

[spanana]

2 hours ago, vdw84 said:

I like Rashad but he needs to move on from being dwts new token black it boy since Alfonso screwed up. Hopefully he can get it together and figure out what he wants to do and leave dwts behind and the same for Jordan, he is way too talented to be wasting himself away on dwts. Glad he got a part in Rent. I like to see talent from dwts move on beyond dwts and do great things not stay with this sham of a show.

Jordan must still have some sort of contract with ABC/Disney or something because it was just announced today that he's hosting a series of Disney Xmas specials where he will also perform, so I think they are trying to keep him very much in house.  I also still think a lot of Jordan's appearances on DWTS this season have been that 1. He's basically the most recent available winner and 2. He's been cross promoting DWTS Jrs and most of his appearances have been with the Jrs. kids.

I know some people are sick of Rashad, but I think in some ways the sports people have it a bit harder when trying to transition.  Sports is generally a limited career where either you get cut if you aren't good enough or retire fairly early on in life.  So then sports people have to find another outlet, whether that is still in sports or in another venue.  I think athletes tend to come on DWTS looking to make that transition.  Emmitt Smith was the first and best example I can think of on this show.  When he first came on in S3, he was very open that he was doing it because he was a legend as a football star, but as he was now transitioning out of that part of life, he was looking to diversify his audience and move into new avenues outside of sports and DWTS was able to help him do that.  Mind you Rashad isn't exactly an Emmitt in that he isn't a football legend, but it's a similar thing I think.   A lot of times professional athletes can struggle when their careers are over because they have spent their whole lives on one thing and then it's over.  When you're a performer, it's a little different.  You can age out of the business because there are less opportunities for older actors, which is even worse if you are a woman, but you can still remain a performer throughout your lifetime.

Speaking of which, I'm waiting for the show to try and take credit for Simone's Simone-esque gymnastics comeback, to the point that she's better than she was before and is winning everything in sight (even with her couple of uncharacteristic mistakes at Worlds the other day).  Between Aly Raisman and Simone, I'm waiting for the show to push a "if you come learn how to dance on DWTS you will be even better on your second gymnastics go round" agenda.  Jury is still out on Laurie Hernandez who I've heard went back to training but I don't think we will see her in competition until next year.  Laurie is trying for a comeback but we will see.

[boyznkatz]

20 minutes ago, spanana said:

  Jury is still out on Laurie Hernandez who I've heard went back to training but I don't think we will see her in competition until next year.  Laurie is trying for a comeback but we will see.

Last time I saw Laurie she wasn't in very good shape like Simone and Aly still are. She wasn't as famous as they are, either. I have the feeling that she's going to go down the Shawn Johnson reality show route.

Edited November 2, 2018 by boyznkatz

[spanana]

13 minutes ago, boyznkatz said:

Last time I saw Laurie she wasn't in very good shape like Simone and Aly still are. She wasn't as famous as they are, either. I have the feeling that she's going to go down the Shawn Johnson reality show route.

I don't know if Laurie was training at that point.  She is back training with a gym, but I think in Cali so that probably leaves her open to take other opportunities. I have no idea if she will be successful, but her plan is to try and stage a comeback.  Though for all her accomplishments, which I'm not underscoring, she has a lot less experience than Simone and Aly.  Laurie was an elite senior for like two seconds leading up to the Olympics. I'm not sure she's ever competed on a world stage outside of the Olympics.  Age wise she sort of came up at the perfect time to move up and peak in time for the Olympics.

Plus Simone is just insane.  It's virtually unheard of to take a year or longer off, train for less than a year and then be better than you were before the point that nobody else can compete with you because your difficulty level is so much higher.

[boyznkatz]

Simone and Aly just get better with age. It was pretty rare in gymnastics to be over 20 years old and get even better, but they are proving everyone wrong!

[howmanywords]

1 hour ago, spanana said:

Jordan must still have some sort of contract with ABC/Disney or something because it was just announced today that he's hosting a series of Disney Xmas specials where he will also perform, so I think they are trying to keep him very much in house.  I also still think a lot of Jordan's appearances on DWTS this season have been that 1. He's basically the most recent available winner and 2. He's been cross promoting DWTS Jrs and most of his appearances have been with the Jrs. kids.

Yeah I'm pretty certain Jordan has some type of contract with Disney and it goes as far back as his win (not to mention he's signed to Disneys record label). It wasnt even 2 weeks after his win and he recorded "Happily Ever After" and it played every night during Magic Kingdoms fireworks, then all the Disney/DWTS promo/gigs he's had the last year. He does have other things going on but the Disney promo he does get he's either singing or dancing, basically they take advantage of his talent (most recently the fantastic Hocus Pocus anniversary gig) so I'm not mad.

[lavenderblue]

Adam's job at the moment is "celebrity" -- I don't follow him closely as I was never much of a fan of his skating, but I've barely even seen him mentioned in conjunction with a skating show since Stars on Ice in the spring. But he's doing multiple TV and social media gigs and speaking engagements seemingly weekly so I guess that's one reason for lack of availability.

[spanana]

33 minutes ago, lavenderblue said:

Adam's job at the moment is "celebrity" -- I don't follow him closely as I was never much of a fan of his skating, but I've barely even seen him mentioned in conjunction with a skating show since Stars on Ice in the spring. But he's doing multiple TV and social media gigs and speaking engagements seemingly weekly so I guess that's one reason for lack of availability.

I have no idea if Adam plans to continue skating, outside of at exhibition type shows, but I think he's in a weird place of probably figuring out what he wants to do too.  He can do those skating tours, but if he's looking for fame or attention it's not going to bring him much of that on a wider scale.  And he blew up and became super popular during the Olympics, but it was more about his personality and what he stood for than about his actual skating or achievements on the ice.  So it's unlikely a return to competitive skating would bring him much glory.  He's probably taking the gigs he can get now before people move on to the next Olympic darling.  Unless you are Simone Biles, those opportunities dry up fast.

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Yes, I remember Zendaya having a boyfriend around this time and her parents esp. her father would be everywhere with her but like I said its def. documented proof out there where I can see why some thought it was something more going on between Val and Zendaya. I dont I cant explain it, he treated Zendaya or atleast acted differently around her than Laurie and they were both the same age. I don't know whatever is had just be Val being overwhelm and forgetting that Zendaya was a minor. I mean she was the first partner he had that was a ringer and took him far in the competition and I believe he may have felt some kinda way about it without really considering hey this is a kid. Im not saying that he acted on anything because I strongly believe he didnt but their was def. different vibe with her.

I'm not disagreeing with any of the above.  My guess is her parents figured if the media got a hold of something, they could probably blow it up easily enough by either showing evidence they were there or revealing her actual age appropriate relationship.  I do agree he acted different with Z than Laurie.  Mind you I think part of that, and this is not to excuse it, is Z could come off older than her years at times plus she was very glamorous and when all dolled up could look much older.  Laurie being somebody that spent much of her time in a gym was a very young 16 and so acted extremely young.  Don't get me wrong, she's super accomplished...but nobody was going to mistake Laurie for being anything other than a 16 year old.  However I realize this explanation sounds creepy.  I'm just trying to say that Zendaya could at times come off way older than her age whereas less so with Laurie.  I also agree there could have been some sort of weird appreciation since she was the first partner that was ringerish and the one to beat and the one that really brought him a lot of attention.  To this day he will still claim that as either his fave season.  Or at least he did during his book tour.  He may be lying through his teeth, but yeah.

Now I would understand if 16 year old Zendaya had a crush on Val because boyfriend aside, she's being brought into this space to dance very closely and somewhat intimately with a grown man, who is also showering her with lots of attention and telling her how amazing she is every five seconds and looking at her like the moon shoots out of her ass.  I would imagine that could stir up some feelings for a kid.  I can't explain his actions.

Edited November 2, 2018 by spanana

[vdw84]

2 hours ago, spanana said:

Speaking of which, I'm waiting for the show to try and take credit for Simone's Simone-esque gymnastics comeback, to the point that she's better than she was before and is winning everything in sight (even with her couple of uncharacteristic mistakes at Worlds the other day).  Between Aly Raisman and Simone, I'm waiting for the show to push a "if you come learn how to dance on DWTS you will be even better on your second gymnastics go round" agenda.  Jury is still out on Laurie Hernandez who I've heard went back to training but I don't think we will see her in competition until next year.  Laurie is trying for a comeback but we will see.

I will never forget how the show played simone. For weeks they took they literally tried to take the joy out of what seems to be pretty happy and joyful young woman. The judges were on one that season. I truly felt like what she said to them was welldeserved and I literally stood up and clapped and yelled at the tv when she told the epic, "Smiling doesnt get u gold medals". I was like yassssssss, girl get them told. I was so pissed.

[vdw84]

36 minutes ago, spanana said:

I have no idea if Adam plans to continue skating, outside of at exhibition type shows, but I think he's in a weird place of probably figuring out what he wants to do too.  He can do those skating tours, but if he's looking for fame or attention it's not going to bring him much of that on a wider scale.  And he blew up and became super popular during the Olympics, but it was more about his personality and what he stood for than about his actual skating or achievements on the ice.  So it's unlikely a return to competitive skating would bring him much glory.  He's probably taking the gigs he can get now before people move on to the next Olympic darling.  Unless you are Simone Biles, those opportunities dry up fast.

I'm not disagreeing with any of the above.  My guess is her parents figured if the media got a hold of something, they could probably blow it up easily enough by either showing evidence they were there or revealing her actual age appropriate relationship.  I do agree he acted different with Z than Laurie.  Mind you I think part of that, and this is not to excuse it, is Z could come off older than her years at times plus she was very glamorous and when all dolled up could look much older.  Laurie being somebody that spent much of her time in a gym was a very young 16 and so acted extremely young.  Don't get me wrong, she's super accomplished...but nobody was going to mistake Laurie for being anything other than a 16 year old.  However I realize this explanation sounds creepy.  I'm just trying to say that Zendaya could at times come off way older than her age whereas less so with Laurie.  I also agree there could have been some sort of weird appreciation since she was the first partner that was ringerish and the one to beat and the one that really brought him a lot of attention.  To this day he will still claim that as either his fave season.  Or at least he did during his book tour.  He may be lying through his teeth, but yeah.

Now I would understand if 16 year old Zendaya had a crush on Val because boyfriend aside, she's being brought into this space to dance very closely and somewhat intimately with a grown man, who is also showering her with lots of attention and telling her how amazing she is every five seconds and looking at her like the moon shoots out of her ass.  I would imagine that could stir up some feelings for a kid.  I can't explain his actions.

I totally agree with u about Zendaya just came off older and that can make a lot of difference but I never felt like Zendaya was crushing on Val but Val sure was acting off sometimes and I think this is the time he started messing around with 18 year old Jenna who was 2 yrs older than Zendaya at the time, im just sayin.

[boyznkatz]

The Val/Zendaya posts remind me why it is so icky to have kids on this show. Maybe now they will send underage participants to dwts jr. where they can dance with kids their age. 

Edited November 2, 2018 by boyznkatz

[spanana]

On 11/2/2018 at 5:32 PM, boyznkatz said:

The Val/Zendaya posts remind me why it is so icky to have kids on this show. Maybe now they will send underage participants to dwts jr. where they can dance with kids their age. 

 

Why? They didn’t have a romantic relationship so why is it icky? They weren’t unsupervised. Plus Milo is 17 and Zendaya was 16 and I don’t see anyone complaining it’s inappropriate for Milo to be on the show, so is there a double standard that underage girls shouldn’t be on the show because it’s icky but underage males are cool?  

ETA: Also none of the Zendaya/Val dances were even remotely sexualized.  Laurie got more sexualized choreography at times than Zendaya did.

Edited November 4, 2018 by spanana

[realdancemom]

54 minutes ago, spanana said:

Why? They didn’t have a romantic relationship so why is it icky? They weren’t unsupervised. Plus Milo is 17 and Zendaya was 16 and I don’t see anyone complaining it’s inappropriate for Milo to be on the show, so is there a double standard that underage girls shouldn’t be on the show because it’s icky but underage males are cool?  

Neither Milo or Zendaya at 16 would fit in DWTS Jrs. unless they had different age categories.  MacKenzie Ziegler already looks a lot older than the other kids and she's 14.  It wouldn't be fair to have a 16/17 year old compete against 8-10 year olds.  I guess it's not fair to have senior citizens against 20-30 year olds either if we're talking about the adult show.

I also didn't want to discuss the Milo/Alexis situation in the episode thread so I'll just post here.  I don't see anything wrong with both of them being friends.  There also isn't that much of a difference between 17 and 21.  Also don't see what Alexis' instagram photos have to do with the situation either. 

[Toonces464]

6 hours ago, vdw84 said:

I said the same thing, Jenna has no life outside of Val. When u have pretty much have ur whole life revolved around one person, it is never healthy. One thing I will say about Peta, even tho I feel like she obsessed with Maks too but she seems to have her own thing outside of Maks. She seems to have girls night from time to time and have other business ventures she is involved in that doesnt consist of Maks like her little acting gig she has been doing. JJ doesnt do anything without Val and all she has is dwts and sytycd from time to time and those two things are revolved around her relationship with Val. I think if Val leaves her or if they dont make this time, its going to send her over because they have been so open now and officially a couple.

Peta may have dabbled in a few interests during the time Maks dumped her (like her tanning crap and having actual friends of her own), but everything she does now revolves around Maks. Did you read her recent interview in US Weekly? She's trying to decide whether to do more movies (as if movie producers are knocking down her door), or pop out a quick kid. I'm sure she'll pick whichever will keep Maks around and interested.

[fpbl83]

4 hours ago, vdw84 said:

I totally agree with u about Zendaya just came off older and that can make a lot of difference but I never felt like Zendaya was crushing on Val but Val sure was acting off sometimes and I think this is the time he started messing around with 18 year old Jenna who was 2 yrs older than Zendaya at the time, im just sayin.

It wouldn't surprise me if Val offered himself to Z after she became an adult and she turned him down. After the Janel fiasco and during one of his breaks from Jenna.  

[gohawks]

1 hour ago, Toonces464 said:

Peta may have dabbled in a few interests during the time Maks dumped her (like her tanning crap and having actual friends of her own), but everything she does now revolves around Maks. Did you read her recent interview in US Weekly? She's trying to decide whether to do more movies (as if movie producers are knocking down her door), or pop out a quick kid. I'm sure she'll pick whichever will keep Maks around and interested.

Am I reading this right? Are people implying Val was inappropriate with a minor and,more importantly, that her parents abandoned her to a pedophile. 

That is beyond insane.

Edited November 3, 2018 by gohawks

[truthaboutluv]

2 hours ago, realdancemom said:

I also didn't want to discuss the Milo/Alexis situation in the episode thread so I'll just post here.  I don't see anything wrong with both of them being friends.  There also isn't that much of a difference between 17 and 21.  Also don't see what Alexis' instagram photos have to do with the situation either. 

Completely agree. And I feel a little bad for the unfair judgement she's getting since I was the one who first brought up the stuff regarding her and Milo and her Instagram. But I only mentioned it to further make the point that she doesn't seem to be doing much on social media to get her fans to vote for her and Alan and it's baffling to me, since she clearly really seems to enjoy being on the show and wants to stay.