Season 6 First Looks

[KFC]

That's not what Erika said, though. She clarified in the confessional that her female friendships are "few and far between," and that she wanted more female friendships, but that she was selective about who she wanted to let into her circle.

 

I do think her and Yo are largely show friends but I don't think what Erika said was contradictory about female friendships in general.

Edited February 25, 2016 by KFC

[PhilMarlowe2]

According to Erika, she tells Kathryn she doesn't  really have female friends but yet she and Yolanda are friends.  Makes no sense.

 

I thought Erika explained it pretty clearly - she doesn't have a lot of female friends, or a group of female friends, but she has found certain women over the years that she does indeed trust and with whom she enjoys close bonds. She never said she doesn't have any female friends.

[Vicky8675309]

Why is Erika making it such a big secret--how long has she been friends with Yo, Most of us know Yo is a liar and Erika showed she is a liar as well (threw Rinna under the bus at the same time). No surprise that the other HWs want details from these liars. That's how you catch the liars---trip them up on the details.

Edited February 25, 2016 by Vicky8675309

[motorcitymom65]

Why is Erika making it such a big secret--how long has she been friends with Yo, Most of us know Yo is a liar and Erika showed she is a liar as well (threw Rinna under the bus at the same time). No surprise that the other HWs want details from these liars. That's how you catch the liars---trip them up on the details.

I don't understand this either. I can come down hard on LVP at times, but there is just nothing to see here, IMO. When I meet someone new that knows one of my friends, it is perfectly normal to ask how they met, how long they have known each other, etc.

[PhilMarlowe2]

I think the relevant detail here is that Lisa and Kathryn seem to be asking this question in the context of the greater conversation about Yolanda's health. In the flashback, Lisa was asking during the "barbecue" at Erika's house after all the shit went down. So, this was all in the aftermath of the Munchausen/discrepancies debate, and LVP is asking, "Before you joined this group, how often did you see Yolanda?" It's clear, to me anyway, that LVP wasn't just making polite conversation to get to know Erika. It was in the context of the Yolanda drama and clearly a pointed question about how well she actually knows her. Kathryn literally declares, "You don't know her *that* that well." There are conclusions being made about her friendship with Yolanda. I think Erika is dead on in her perception.

Edited February 26, 2016 by PhilMarlowe2

[zoeysmom]

I think the relevant detail here is that Lisa and Kathryn seem to be asking this question in the context of the greater conversation about Yolanda's health. In the flashback, Lisa was asking during the "barbecue" at Erika's house after all the shit went down. So, this was all in the aftermath of the Munchausen/discrepancies debate, and LVP is asking, "Before you joined this group, how often did you see Yolanda?" It's clear, to me anyway, that LVP wasn't just making polite conversation to get to know Erika. It was in the context of the Yolanda drama and clearly a pointed question about how well she actually knows her. Kathryn literally declares, "You don't know her *that* that well." There are conclusions being made about her friendship with Yolanda. I think Erika is dead on in her perception.

I think it is on par with Erika asking about Brandi and why these women talk about her all the time.  I personally find it weird, Erika has been performing all of her life and Yolanda is into her fourth season on RH and neither has watched the others' performance.  Questions need to be asked.

[MatildaMoody]

I think the relevant detail here is that Lisa and Kathryn seem to be asking this question in the context of the greater conversation about Yolanda's health. In the flashback, Lisa was asking during the "barbecue" at Erika's house after all the shit went down. So, this was all in the aftermath of the Munchausen/discrepancies debate, and LVP is asking, "Before you joined this group, how often did you see Yolanda?" It's clear, to me anyway, that LVP wasn't just making polite conversation to get to know Erika. It was in the context of the Yolanda drama and clearly a pointed question about how well she actually knows her. Kathryn literally declares, "You don't know her *that* that well." There are conclusions being made about her friendship with Yolanda. I think Erika is dead on in her perception.

For me, this would somewhat depend on the order of the filming. Did the couples dinner between Lisa/Ken an Ericka/Tom happen before or after the BBQ?

 

I personally think that there was no animosity between Lisa V and Ericka while they were filming. I think a large part of what we perceive as animosity is editing (I know no one wants to blame the editing). Let's think about that BBQ that Ericka played runtelldat on. We saw the extra footage of Ericka holding Vanderpump's hand and giggling while admonishing Lisa to take off her heels before getting on the hoverboard. These women seemed to really enjoy each other, at least enough for them to get together with their significant others away from the rest of the women. 

 

Even now in real time Ericka claims that she is cool with all of the women. I don't think there is a major conflict between Lisa and Ericka - or at least not yet. I think we are just supposed to think there is for the sake of the story. But, if we compare the two of them, there is no reason (other than Yolanda) for them to have the least bit of beef with each other. They have a ton in common. Aside from Ericka lying to Yolanda about what was said at the BBQ and Kathryn misrepresenting what Ericka said about Lisa, the two have no conflict.

 

I think this is a situation where Lisa and Ericka actually enjoyed each other during filming, and BRAVO made them appear to be enemies and now they are watching that play out months after the fact so that they can hate each other when it comes time to film the reunion. 

 

If Lisa and Ericka both return next season, I would be willing to bet that they come back as friends. Kyle may have issues with that (I hope not because I like her and Lisa as friends and I think the three of them would be much more fun than the so-called "dream team"), but I don't think that the show has provided any reason to think that there is real animosity between Lisa and Ericka.

 

The show just keeps hinting at it with their editing with no actual proof. Kind of like everything Yolanda has done all season with her "journey".

[Atwood]

*Puts on tinhat*

 

I think I've solved a mystery: The connection between Yolanda and Erika is... drumroll... Daisy! Erika met Mr. G back when she and Daisy was working for the same "high class" madam. You know, when he was a "client". That's why she's so defensive about the origins of her friendship with Yolanda.

 

*Takes of tinhat*

 

Okay, I don't REALLY think that, but the fact that she's getting so worked up over the question "how long have you known Yolanda?" makes me think that their answer to the question has been a lie. A big one.

[Satchels of gold]

Borrowing your tinfoil hat.

Erika's ex owns a strip club ( he really does) perhaps she and Daisy were burlesque dancers a la Danielle Staub.

Across all the franchises , the new housewife introduction and the group trip are always the trickiest to maneuver.

I haven't trusted the new housewife intro since The Countess introduced Kelly as her friend from her modeling days, come reunion time it turns out that they weren't friends but knew of each other and Luanne never liked Kelly because she snubbed her at St. Bart's .

As far as the trip, inviting your enemy to go on a trip never makes sense.

[kokapetl]

I'll never erase from my mind the image of Danielle Staub, post RHONJ, doing a twirl on a strip club pole.

[PhilMarlowe2]

My speculation is that the main beef at the Girardi dinner is between Erika and LVP - and Kathryn pipes up in LVP's defense, "You're losing this argument right now" - but that Tom Girardi is asking LVP to leave, which causes Lisa Rinna to proclaim Hallelujah!

[mbutterfly]

People are not liking Rinna, she's been voted high/1st in pretty much all the negative polls this season. Yolanda may not have handled herself well that episode however, the public definitely know she has Lyme and isn't full of BS like a lot of this forum think.

I'm part of the public and I don't definitely know she has Lyme. Even if she does, she's clearly full of a lot of BS -- not necessarily more than other Housewives. 

[mbutterfly]

Yolanda gives the middle finger while discussing the others' lack of manners.

Perhaps because she's Dutch she knows not the meaning of the middle finger. 

[nowcheckthat]

I'm part of the public and I don't definitely know she has Lyme. Even if she does, she's clearly full of a lot of BS -- not necessarily more than other Housewives. 

Obviously I was referring to the majority of the public and not every single person. While my opinion of Yolanda has definitely changed this past couple of episodes and the public seem to be turning against Yolanda, I don't doubt the public believe she has Lyme. It's her behavior people have a problem with. 

[PhilMarlowe2]

Posted this in Kim's thread, but figured I would put it here too - she's back tonight - and she's still blaming the group for her and Kyle's problems...

[zoeysmom]

LVP and Kyle sending photos back and forth is pretty funny. I wonder how Lisar knew unless she was part of the exchange. So it wasn't just Taylor that found the selfies odd.

[Wings]

My speculation is that the main beef at the Girardi dinner is between Erika and LVP - and Kathryn pipes up in LVP's defense, "You're losing this argument right now" - but that Tom Girardi is asking LVP to leave, which causes Lisa Rinna to proclaim Hallelujah!

 

 

LIsar likes LVP so I doubt she would exclaim Hallelujah.   She wants to stay on LVPs good side and being excited at her being kicked out of their house would put her in a position from which she would never recover!   The editing made it look like her exclamation was due to him asking someone to leave but it could be about something entirely different. 

[zoeysmom]

I was disappointed that Lisar is trying to get the Munchausen stench off her and deflect it away.  She said it, Yolanda is not going to really forgive her, Yolanda said that as well, so is this next big reveal by Lisar and attempt at redemption with Yolanda.   It is almost like bring me the crown off of LVP's head and all will be forgiven Lisar.  Lisar has taken her years old friendship with Kyle and LVP too far.  She seems to want to participate in the off camera stuff and has no issue talking about it until it backfires on her.  Why she is still talking about her sister, Harry's father and their addiction as it applies to Kim has been stretch beyond the bounds of credulity.  What she wants is to desperately be apart of Kim's juicy storyline, with an, "I told you so," Yolanda's road back to good health because they are the storylines Lisar can walk into.  I believe someone called her a storyline hijacker?  In real time we know Yolanda and Rinna had a pretty good go at it.  Something Rinna should have thought of before dumping on Kyle and LVP.

[sistermagpie]

Lisar really does veer from one extreme to the other. One conversation with Eileen saying "Come on, you know it's not shocking that someone would consider Lisa a chess player" and she's talking herself up from "yeah, I know that" to "She manipulates me all the time and I let her!" to throwing Lisa and Kyle completely under the bus. And that was for something she was veering on as well--she decided to put the Munchhausen stuff on camera, whether or not she knew Kyle and Lisa privately agreed with her, then the second she said it she was doing a whole mea culpa "I feel just terrible for even listening to that kind of talk!" thing.

[izabella]

Lisar is a little people pleasing weasel.  We saw it in Amsterdam when she apologized to Kim, and Eileen was bent out of shape with Lisar then for caving and leaving Eileen twisting in the wind by herself. 

 

Now, Lisar is claiming LVP told her to "express herself" about the Munchausen.  Well, did LVP say Lisar needed to read the definition of Munchausen on camera with a bunch of people around and behind Yo's back?  Or did she mean, go express yourself to Yolanda if you have questions?

 

I fail to see how Lisar choosing to spread the Munchausen topic from her hairdresser to the other women on camera instead of to Yolanda herself is LVP's manipulation.  Lisar chose the way she did that, and everything else she does.  She should blame Harry, who apparently also "manipulates" her by telling her not to censor herself. 

[PhilMarlowe2]

You know, I've had experience with what I would call a similarly manipulative friend. It was during college, when I was much more reactive, and she would have these conversations with me where we would talk about our issues with mutual friends, and I would get worked up, and she would actively encourage me to confront them about whatever issue, oftentimes telling me points that I could make. I would then go confront the person, get into a big fight, and then my Manipulative Friend would later talk to me in private about what a great job I did, how I was in the right and basically supporting me. But she would never confront the people herself or show support for me to their face. There was one time where she literally sat there in silence while I fought with a friend we had talked about, and literally the second that this person left the room, the Manipulative Friend rolled her eyes and showed her support to me. Now, I of course could not blame her for my actions - they were ultimately my own - but it did finally dawn on me a year later (once out of college) that she had really been behind the scenes orchestrating a lot of this conflict, and I have no doubt she was talking to these other people about me behind my back. It's strange to say it now, but it never dawned on me while it was happening. And a lot of fingers got pointed at me as the "source" of conflict at the time. So, I get where people like Brandi and Lisa Rinna are coming from. It's an unsettling feeling when you realize that someone has pulled you into a false sense of confidence and intimacy, like you are the "chosen one," and then you get all of their support when you do what they want. And to Lisa Rinna's credit, she has gone above and beyond in taking ownership of bringing Munchausen out on camera. But I can see why she would be miffed if LVP has let her take the entire fall. Even Brandi said in season 4 that Lisa never explicitly told her what to do, but that she felt as if puppet strings had been pulled. Mileage obviously varies, but there does seem to be a clear pattern here of people feeling taken in by LVP's friendship and then looking around to say, "Wait a second, I'm all alone out here in the center stage of conflict." Lisa Rinna is not blameless, but neither is LVP. I think Kyle has been trying to speak to this for many seasons. Interesting that Katheryn is now filling the role of the cast member who thinks LVP is nothing but a misunderstood nice woman. Brandi was singing the same song at the end of Season 2. As was Joyce in Season 4.

Edited March 2, 2016 by PhilMarlowe2

[WireWrap]

You know, I've had experience with what I would call a similarly manipulative friend. It was during college, when I was much more reactive, and she would have these conversations with me where we would talk about our issues with mutual friends, and I would get worked up, and she would actively encourage me to confront them about whatever issue, oftentimes telling me points that I could make. I would then go confront the person, get into a big fight, and then my Manipulative Friend would later talk to me in private about what a great job I did, how I was in the right and basically supporting me. But she would never confront the people herself or show support for me to their face. There was one time where she literally sat there in silence while I fought with a friend we had talked about, and literally the second that this person left the room, the Manipulative Friend rolled her eyes and showed her support to me. Now, I of course could not blame her for my actions - they were ultimately my own - but it did finally dawn on me a year later (once out of college) that she had really been behind the scenes orchestrating a lot of this conflict, and I have no doubt she was talking to these other people about me behind my back. It's strange to say it now, but it never dawned on me while it was happening. And a lot of fingers got pointed at me as the "source" of conflict at the time. So, I get where people like Brandi and Lisa Rinna are coming from. It's an unsettling feeling when you realize that someone has pulled you into a false sense of confidence and intimacy, like you are the "chosen one," and then you get all of their support when you do what they want. And to Lisa Rinna's credit, she has gone above and beyond in taking ownership of bringing Munchausen out on camera. But I can see why she would be miffed if LVP has let her take the entire fall. Even Brandi said in season 4 that Lisa never explicitly told her what to do, but that she felt as if puppet strings had been pulled. Mileage obviously varies, but there does seem to be a clear pattern here of people feeling taken in by LVP's friendship and then looking around to say, "Wait a second, I'm all alone out here in the center stage of conflict." Lisa Rinna is not blameless, but neither is LVP. I think Kyle has been trying to speak to this for many seasons. Interesting that Katheryn is now filling the role of the cast member who thinks LVP is nothing but a misunderstood nice woman. Brandi was singing the same song at the end of Season 2. As was Joyce in Season 4.

That is NOT what LisaV did to LisaR or even to Brandi in the past. She supported both of these women, Brandi to the point of getting backlash for supporting her. LisaV defended LisaR to Yolanda about the Munchausen comment several times, she did not sit in silence then run back and prop LisaR up in private, she has openly spoken out in LisaRs defense several times to Yolanda's face and ON camera. IMO, it is Eileen manipulating LisaR into siding with her against LisaV.

 

ETA, It was Yolanda/Brandi that tried to manipulate Joyce to go against LisaV and they got LisaV to go against Joyce with blatant lies. Also, Lisa didn't care for Brandi at first, it wasn't until near the end of season 2 that Lisa finally gave Brandi a chance because she, Lisa, listened to Kyle's, Kim's and Taylor's narrative about Brandi.

Edited March 2, 2016 by WireWrap

[Darren-5-08]

My speculation is that the main beef at the Girardi dinner is between Erika and LVP - and Kathryn pipes up in LVP's defense, "You're losing this argument right now" - but that Tom Girardi is asking LVP to leave, which causes Lisa Rinna to proclaim Hallelujah!

 

I'm confused about this whole situation. Basically, if you pause right at the moment that the camera shows the whole table reacting to the "You need to leave" comment, both Lisas and Ken all appear to be laughing. I'm not sure it's going to play out like we all expect it to; I suspect the preview has a lot of editing.

[Wings]

Lisar exclaims, Halle-fucking-luya!  This has to be in reference to something positive and not against anyone.  She is too much of a people pleaser to have this be otherwise.  

[Darren-5-08]

Lisar exclaims, Halle-fucking-luya!  This has to be in reference to something positive and not against anyone.  She is too much of a people pleaser to have this be otherwise.  

 

Also, if you watch carefully (again), Erika is mid-sentence, seemingly talking to Lisa Vanderpump, when Lisa Rinna says that, but in the clip of Tom standing and saying "You need to leave", Erika is not talking at all. They have been edited together to make it seem a certain way I think.

[jinjer]

LisaV defended LisaR to Yolanda about the Munchausen comment several times, she did not sit in silence then run back and prop LisaR up in private, she has openly spoken out in LisaRs defense several times to Yolanda's face and ON camera.

 

ITA Philmarlowe2 that LVP has a way of making these simple minded, weak willed women do their bidding all in a quest to gain her favor. It's a slight innuendo/suggestion on her part ( never an overt request), and they fall over themselves to do what they think she wants them to do.  Brandi said as much too.  Rinna will not blame her though like Brandi did.

 

I think LVP realizes she was a little messy with the Yo situation and munchhausen by sending the purported texts to Kyle and letting Rinna see them and that is why she vociferously backed Rinna up BUT only on the By Proxy comment.  LVP always has plausible deniability.  "I never told you to go on the air and say it; I meant for you to talk to Yo about it."  I think she keeps things purposefully vague and insulates herself from liability. But she's always in for a good laugh at someone else's expense.  She's smart.

[WireWrap]

ITA Philmarlowe2 that LVP has a way of making these simple minded, weak willed women do their bidding all in a quest to gain her favor. It's a slight innuendo/suggestion on her part ( never an overt request), and they fall over themselves to do what they think she wants them to do.  Brandi said as much too.  Rinna will not blame her though like Brandi did.

 

I think LVP realizes she was a little messy with the Yo situation and munchhausen by sending the purported texts to Kyle and letting Rinna see them and that is why she vociferously backed Rinna up BUT only on the By Proxy comment.  LVP always has plausible deniability.  "I never told you to go on the air and say it; I meant for you to talk to Yo about it."  I think she keeps things purposefully vague and insulates herself from liability. But she's always in for a good laugh at someone else's expense.  She's smart.

Then how is it different than Eileen advising LisaR to go talk to Yolanda about that same concern ON camera? Was Eileen "manipulating" LisaR to do her bidding as well? Oh, and the ONLY one that ever said MBP was Kyle in her TH and Yolanda, LisaR never said that when she talked to Lisa, Kyle OR Eileen. And Yes, LisaV defended Lisa about both, MS AND MBP.

[jinjer]

Then how is it different than Eileen advising LisaR to go talk to Yolanda about that same concern ON camera? Was Eileen "manipulating" LisaR to do her bidding as well? Oh, and the ONLY one that ever said MBP was Kyle in her TH and Yolanda, LisaR never said that when she talked to Lisa, Kyle OR Eileen. And Yes, LisaV defended Lisa about both, MS AND MBP.

This is different because LVP does it off screen and keeps her hands clean and therefore in general the audience doesn't know she is doing it bc the HWs don't break the fourth wall by saying, LVP told me to wait until filming to bring this up on camera.  If Rinna were smart (which in general she isn't) she would have said to Kyle and LVP, "Kyle, LVP said I should mention this to you too - Munchausen..."  LVP does her manipulating off screen so the viewing public can't say, "what a shit stirrer" like they are about Eileen. Brandi's drunken "Stratergizing..." didn't come from nowhere.  

 

The best indicator that LVP is good at manipulating is that both Rinna and Brandi say that she gets them to do what she wants without her outright telling them to do it. She's a mindmelder.  Haha.  

 

I think even with Eileen at that dinner table in the Hamptons, she was pushing, Eileen was trying to laugh it off and got Kyle and Rinna(?) involved to try to divert the convo. Most people would take the hint that LVP was going too far and back down, but LVP is smart. She was waiting for Eileen to tell her "back off."  Eileen's nervous laughter and "getting grilled over here" or whatever comment wasn't enough to put Lisa off.  Now Eileen isn't brave(?) enough to tell LVP on camera, "This line of Q's makes me uncomfortable on TV, so drop it/change the subject," and I feel like LVP knows it, so she just keeps going.  Eileen thinks about it later and tells LVP that she was uncomfortable and LVP can honestly say, "Why didn't you tell me to stop?" 

 

I think LVP is smarter more savvy than the rest when playing this HW game.  And it is a game to her.  They all get frustrated that she plays them so well, and then they can't really blame her because they act on their own volition.

[WireWrap]

This is different because LVP does it off screen and keeps her hands clean and therefore in general the audience doesn't know she is doing it bc the HWs don't break the fourth wall by saying, LVP told me to wait until filming to bring this up on camera.  If Rinna were smart (which in general she isn't) she would have said to Kyle and LVP, "Kyle, LVP said I should mention this to you too - Munchausen..."  LVP does her manipulating off screen so the viewing public can't say, "what a shit stirrer" like they are about Eileen. Brandi's drunken "Stratergizing..." didn't come from nowhere.  

 

The best indicator that LVP is good at manipulating is that both Rinna and Brandi say that she gets them to do what she wants without her outright telling them to do it. She's a mindmelder.  Haha.  

 

I think even with Eileen at that dinner table in the Hamptons, she was pushing, Eileen was trying to laugh it off and got Kyle and Rinna(?) involved to try to divert the convo. Most people would take the hint that LVP was going too far and back down, but LVP is smart. She was waiting for Eileen to tell her "back off."  Eileen's nervous laughter and "getting grilled over here" or whatever comment wasn't enough to put Lisa off.  Now Eileen isn't brave(?) enough to tell LVP on camera, "This line of Q's makes me uncomfortable on TV, so drop it/change the subject," and I feel like LVP knows it, so she just keeps going.  Eileen thinks about it later and tells LVP that she was uncomfortable and LVP can honestly say, "Why didn't you tell me to stop?" 

 

I think LVP is smarter more savvy than the rest when playing this HW game.  And it is a game to her.  They all get frustrated that she plays them so well, and then they can't really blame her because they act on their own volition.

WOW, I just don't see Lisa as having this Svengali ability over the other women. LOL IMO, there is NO difference between telling LisaR to talk to Yolanda, be it off camera (when they were discussing it at the time) or on camera when they are discussing it at the time, the point being that both Lisav and Eileen told LisaR the same basic thing when LisaR talked to them about it.

 

Brandi said that they would talk about everything in those phone calls, including what happened the day before during filming. By the way, those phone calls happened everyday even when they weren't filming, off season so to speak as well. It was no different than any other close friends that also happen to be co-workers IMO, they talked about work, their other co-workers and their lives in general. It all ended when Lisa started to try and get Brandi to slow down her drunken bar strolls that were being reported/photo'd in all the tabloids and gossip shows in order to protect Brandi's image/reputation and Brandi didn't like that.

 

Here's the thing, they call LisaV OFF camera, tell her something and Lisa says that IF THEY are THAT concerned/upset/whatever, THEY should talk to whoever they need to. Neither LisaR OR Brandi have ever said/claimed that Lisa tells them to ask whatever ON camera, to save this info until the cameras are rolling, JUST that they should talk to the person in question THEMSELVES. LisaR could just as easily called Yolanda on the phone and talked to her then, in private, before filming began or away from the cameras but LisaR chose to bring it up ON camera herself. BUT as always, it is LisaV's fault for treating them like the (semi)intelligent adults they report themselves to be. LOL

[selhars]

The latest editing , I think, makes it look like Tom is talking to Kathryn, when he says "you have to leave."

We'll see for sure soon…...

 

I can't imagine how heated the conversation gets…or how rude or insulting he must feel someone was to Erika for him to get up and say that in that tone.

I can't imagine he'd just jump to do that. Most hosts I know, are slow to do that….and it's a last resort.

From the little I've seen of Tom he's been easy going. He seems the type that would let you talk back to HIM, longer than he'd let you disrespect Erika. Of course he knows  Erika can hold her own…but he loves her and he's not going to let anyone go too far -- and CERTAINLY not sitting at their own table.

 

But we don't even know what his comment is even about so we'll see.

Edited March 3, 2016 by selhars

[PhilMarlowe2]

Here's the thing, they call LisaV OFF camera, tell her something and Lisa says that IF THEY are THAT concerned/upset/whatever, THEY should talk to whoever they need to. Neither LisaR OR Brandi have ever said/claimed that Lisa tells them to ask whatever ON camera, to save this info until the cameras are rolling, JUST that they should talk to the person in question THEMSELVES.

 

But how do you know this? Is there footage of Lisa Rinna saying that LVP didn't encourage her to bring it up on camera? I am confused how you can be so certain that LVP was innocently suggesting Lisa Rinna bring her concerns to Yolanda off camera if none of us saw the original conversation. It seems to me, based on the footage, that Lisa Rinna is definitely implying that LVP encouraged her to bring it up on camera.

[zoeysmom]

I fall  somewhere in the middle between Wire and Jinger.  I believe the issue of Yolanda and malingering/Munchausen/hypochondria/exaggerating/alternative treatments was conversation in between the antics of Kim Richards arrests and meltdowns.  Lisar and Eileen went to see Yo in April, before Kim's arrest, before Dick Van Patten died and there was a little conversation about the medicine closet.  So when Lisar is placed next to Taylor, who I believe was probably running with some of what had been discussed by others, Lisar decided to run it by LVP.  It is irrelevant what Kyle and LVP were exchanging between the two of them, they took their spanking from Yolanda about not defending her enough.  I believe Lisar has given us ample examples of her pick, pick, picking at things and flopping around like a fish out of water when she decides to out herself.  (This week is we are strong women, LVP does not wield influence over us, next week LVP made me do  it. There was zero reason for her to go to Yolanda with any of the Munchausen nonsense.  No one said she had it, agreed with the revelation so move on.  Instead Lyme brain is fixated on Munchausen by Proxy (guilty conscience) and LVP saying bad things about her kids. LVP was pretty much outed for behind the scenes discussion of the non-Gigis. So Lisar has only herself to blame oh and a little bit of Eileen with Eileen jumping the gun.   Where I think LVP has the upper hand, is she has repeatedly experienced these women tripping over themselves trying to clean up a mess they made.   

[WireWrap]

But how do you know this? Is there footage of Lisa Rinna saying that LVP didn't encourage her to bring it up on camera? I am confused how you can be so certain that LVP was innocently suggesting Lisa Rinna bring her concerns to Yolanda off camera if none of us saw the original conversation. It seems to me, based on the footage, that Lisa Rinna is definitely implying that LVP encouraged her to bring it up on camera.

Most of this is based on Brandi saying she made phone calls to Lisa and even though Lisa NEVER asked her to say or do anything it was still ALL Lisa's fault. I really believe that if production had Lisa ON CAMERA telling anyone to say something ON camera like Yolanda/M.S., they would have shown it by now, yet they never have. Is there any proof that Lisa DID tell LisaR to bring it up ON CAMERA? NO, all she said was that Lisa told her to talk about her concerns and nothing more. Yet somehow, LisaV "MANIPULATED" poor dim LisaR into saying something ON camera against her better judgement. Again, I find it absurd that so many viewers think LisaV has THAT much power over the other HWs. LOL

[zoeysmom]

On the topic of master manipulators- I have to go with Yolanda. This started last year in Amsterdam when Yolanda wanted the women to show their "authentic" panties.  Because her daughter got a DUI.  Yolanda knew damn well, Kim was not a happy camper on the plane and the first thing Yolanda brings up is her daughter's DUI and Lisar stories of familial abuse and addiction. So far beyond anything LVP has done behind the scenes Yolanda has had a pretty big hand in manipulation.  

Edited March 4, 2016 by zoeysmom

[lunastartron]

Tom Girardi feels comfortable enough to sharply shush and scold his own wife on camera for having the temerity to chime in to a discussion so I don't think it's unbelievable that he would be more than happy to eject a stranger from his property for a less than compelling "offense." And Erika was more than happy to speak disrespectfully to Kathryn in her own home so I'm not sure why she would expect a different standard for herself.

[izabella]

Most of this is based on Brandi saying she made phone calls to Lisa and even though Lisa NEVER asked her to say or do anything it was still ALL Lisa's fault. I really believe that if production had Lisa ON CAMERA telling anyone to say something ON camera like Yolanda/M.S., they would have shown it by now, yet they never have. Is there any proof that Lisa DID tell LisaR to bring it up ON CAMERA? NO, all she said was that Lisa told her to talk about her concerns and nothing more. Yet somehow, LisaV "MANIPULATED" poor dim LisaR into saying somethingTHIN ON camera against her better judgement. Again, I find it absurd that so many viewers think LisaV has THAT much power over the other HWs. LOL

 

The way I see it, even if LVP was flat out telling Lisar to talk about Munchausen on camera behind Yo's back, and even if she told Lisar she would totally back her up and pile on to Yolanda if she brought it up...it's still 100% on Lisar to think about whether she wants to do that or not. 

 

In the end, Lisar brought it up.  Lisa didn't force her to no matter what she might have said. 

 

Now, am I supposed to feel like LVP is a manipulator and somehow compelled Lisar to do something against her better judgement?  I can't muster up any outrage at LVP.   Lisar probably thought it would make for a juicy story line for herself this season.  But she's two-faced, and eventually, she'll be on the hot seat.

[motorcitymom65]

The way I see it, even if LVP was flat out telling Lisar to talk about Munchausen on camera behind Yo's back, and even if she told Lisar she would totally back her up and pile on to Yolanda if she brought it up...it's still 100% on Lisar to think about whether she wants to do that or not. 

 

In the end, Lisar brought it up.  Lisa didn't force her to no matter what she might have said. 

 

Now, am I supposed to feel like LVP is a manipulator and somehow compelled Lisar to do something against her better judgement?  I can't muster up any outrage at LVP.   Lisar probably thought it would make for a juicy story line for herself this season.  But she's two-faced, and eventually, she'll be on the hot seat.

I think it is true that if people do things because they think LVP wants them do/asks them to, it is still on them if they do this. That being said, we cannot pretend that this wouldn't irritate us, or make us distrust her, if we believed we were acting in a way that she agreed with, only to have her not back us up on camera.

 

We don't know how the LVP/Lisar conversation went down. If LVP learned of the "M" conversation and told Lisar that she should bring it up (of course the assumption is always "bring it up on camera", because they are on a Reality TV show and it's all about the cameras). What if LVP told her that the description of "M" sounded very much like the way Yo was behaving? That she should bring it up because Yo should have to answer to that? Maybe LVP said that she had heard similar things, so addressing it out in the open would actually be a good thing? Maybe she told her that since people had been questioning Yo in such a manner, she deserved to know this so she could state her case? It's still on Lisar, but she could have thought that she had LVP's support. When they actually did the scene where Lisar brought it up, LVP acted surprised; like it was quite an accusation to make. Like Yo was going to be pissed at Lisar for being at all involved. What if Lisar anticipated she would say something like "wow, that sounds a lot like Yo", based on a prior conversation, but instead LVP acted like it was too hot to handle? I think it is exactly like the Kyle/Brandi deal in S2. LVP might not have told Kyle to treat Brandi poorly, but gave Kyle the notion that they should not be welcoming to her. Kyle's behavior is still on her, but you can see her being hurt that LVP didn't back her up on the reunion stage at all, but instead seemed to indicated that she favored Brandi in their interactions. At the very least, this would make people distrust LVP, which is what I think all of this is really about. 

[zoeysmom]

I think it is true that if people do things because they think LVP wants them do/asks them to, it is still on them if they do this. That being said, we cannot pretend that this wouldn't irritate us, or make us distrust her, if we believed we were acting in a way that she agreed with, only to have her not back us up on camera.

 

We don't know how the LVP/Lisar conversation went down. If LVP learned of the "M" conversation and told Lisar that she should bring it up (of course the assumption is always "bring it up on camera", because they are on a Reality TV show and it's all about the cameras). What if LVP told her that the description of "M" sounded very much like the way Yo was behaving? That she should bring it up because Yo should have to answer to that? Maybe LVP said that she had heard similar things, so addressing it out in the open would actually be a good thing? Maybe she told her that since people had been questioning Yo in such a manner, she deserved to know this so she could state her case? It's still on Lisar, but she could have thought that she had LVP's support. When they actually did the scene where Lisar brought it up, LVP acted surprised; like it was quite an accusation to make. Like Yo was going to be pissed at Lisar for being at all involved. What if Lisar anticipated she would say something like "wow, that sounds a lot like Yo", based on a prior conversation, but instead LVP acted like it was too hot to handle? I think it is exactly like the Kyle/Brandi deal in S2. LVP might not have told Kyle to treat Brandi poorly, but gave Kyle the notion that they should not be welcoming to her. Kyle's behavior is still on her, but you can see her being hurt that LVP didn't back her up on the reunion stage at all, but instead seemed to indicated that she favored Brandi in their interactions. At the very least, this would make people distrust LVP, which is what I think all of this is really about. 

It doesn't matter if they pre-rehearsed Lisar big Munchausen moment what matters is that neither Kyle of LVP revealed it to Yolanda and when confronted they both stood up for Lisar and in fact both said they really didn't defend Yolanda all that vigorously.  So I think Lisar needs to rethink what has transpired.  There was no reason other than to please Eileen to throw LVP and now Kyle under the bus.  If collectively hundreds of people have doubted the veracity of Yolanda's claims it would seem a wee bit ignorant for the RH not to address it.  Yolanda wants the same treatment Kim Richards demanded-no one is talk about her.  Just doesn't work.

 

Yolanda was on Oz saying, "there are people out there that think I am crazy in the head," all I could think of as opposed to crazy in the foot?  Yolanda wanted a discussion about Lyme and instead the discussion has veered to somatic disorders or Munchausen's.

[WireWrap]

It doesn't matter if they pre-rehearsed Lisar big Munchausen moment what matters is that neither Kyle of LVP revealed it to Yolanda and when confronted they both stood up for Lisar and in fact both said they really didn't defend Yolanda all that vigorously.  So I think Lisar needs to rethink what has transpired.  There was no reason other than to please Eileen to throw LVP and now Kyle under the bus.  If collectively hundreds of people have doubted the veracity of Yolanda's claims it would seem a wee bit ignorant for the RH not to address it.  Yolanda wants the same treatment Kim Richards demanded-no one is talk about her.  Just doesn't work.

 

Yolanda was on Oz saying, "there are people out there that think I am crazy in the head," all I could think of as opposed to crazy in the foot?  Yolanda wanted a discussion about Lyme and instead the discussion has veered to somatic disorders or Munchausen's.

I agree with most of your post, what I disagree with is that Yolanda DOES want them talking about her but she wants to CONTROL what they say. Also, I don't believe that Yolanda wants to talk about LD, she wants everyone to talk about Poor Suffering YOLANDA, not the disease, just HER. LOL

[zoeysmom]

I agree with most of your post, what I disagree with is that Yolanda DOES want them talking about her but she wants to CONTROL what they say. Also, I don't believe that Yolanda wants to talk about LD, she wants everyone to talk about Poor Suffering YOLANDA, not the disease, just HER. LOL

Didn't Yolanda say instead of people talking about her they should be over taking care of her?  Kim Richards would not mind if they talked about her fabulous movie career or how she was far wealthier, when married to Gregg, then all of them combined.  (Actually I think it was the FIL who had the dough.)  Yolanda and Kim just don't want relevant current conversation about them.

[PhilMarlowe2]

It's interesting to go back to that scene where Lisa R first reads about Munchausen now - Kyle says something about never having heard that word before. If we believe Lisa R (which I do, in this case) Kyle was completely lying. It shows the extent to which these women really do play a game with the cameras. It's so ridiculous and catty.

[WireWrap]

It's interesting to go back to that scene where Lisa R first reads about Munchausen now - Kyle says something about never having heard that word before. If we believe Lisa R (which I do, in this case) Kyle was completely lying. It shows the extent to which these women really do play a game with the cameras. It's so ridiculous and catty.

Well, Kyle said she never hear Munchausen without "By Proxy" added to it so maybe she heard MBP instead of just M.S. when LisaR first talked about it. LOL

[zoeysmom]

It's interesting to go back to that scene where Lisa R first reads about Munchausen now - Kyle says something about never having heard that word before. If we believe Lisa R (which I do, in this case) Kyle was completely lying. It shows the extent to which these women really do play a game with the cameras. It's so ridiculous and catty.

I think that particular idea for a scene was very poorly done.  I think the producers were desperately trying to get the Yolanda is faking it out there and the best they could do is make these three women look like imbeciles by reading off the meaning.  It is the perfect compliment to Yolanda consistently mispronouncing the word as if she can't say it she could not have it.  By not acknowledging the meaning of the word they could not have possibly said Yolanda was faking it.  To make matters worse there is this disjointedness when Eileen drops in and instantly knows something is wrong.

[Vicky8675309]

So is Eileen really the master manipulator (or clumsy manipulator)? It sounds like Erika doesn't like LVP because of how Whineileen spun the "affair" story that she can't stop talking about (I guess she discussed it with Erika in addition to the billion other times whineileen brought up this convo she doesn't want to talk about...lol). This leads to Erika & Kathryn's falling out because Erika inexplicably hates LVP (despite having fun hover boarding). Next we see Whineileen whine to Rinna and now Rinna is throwing LVP & Kyle under the bus. Hello, Rinna you are in charge of your mouth and you don't have to talk about what your hairdresser told you. I'm actually glad you did talk about it but wish you didn't wimp out. You should have come armed with more data and even back when this was being filmed we were discussing it (or had already mentioned Yo likely having psych issues including somatoform disorders and iirc faking stuff or at least inconsistencies) in Yo's thread. Sorry, I'm lymerambling....

Eileen who often whines (Whineileen) seems to be doing a lot of manipulation. Rinna is definitely gets manipulated by her. Erika does what a good friend for pay does, sides with her paying friend Yo and lucky for Eileen, they are both against LVP...and so Erika was able to be manipulated by whineileen since it didn't go against her paid duties

 

Eileen had potential but quickly lost it after CONSTANTLY talking about a conversation she didn't want talked about. 

Edited March 5, 2016 by Vicky8675309

[WireWrap]

Andy JUST posted on his FB page for BH reunion questions 2 hours ago! LOL

 

Eileen had potential but quickly lost it after CONSTANTLY talking about a conversation she didn't want talked about. 

 

Eileen was getting slammed on twitter for just that! So much so that she is now blocking people left and right that disagree with her or call her out on it! LOL

[lunastartron]

In real time, Kyle said she had never heard of Munchausen by proxy specifically; in her talking head, she noted that she had never heard of the word "Munchausen" in general applied in reference to Yolanda until Rinna introduced the subject. The premise that Rinna is now peddling defies credulity. Why wasn't she perturbed at Lisa's furrowed-brow silence when she initially broached the topic on camera? Why did it take months and Eileen's unsubtle nudging for her to arrive at this epiphany regarding Lisa's nefarious powers of mind control? It's impossible to overlook Yolanda's unsettling and transparent obsession with Lisa but, from my perspective, Eileen is actually steering the narrative this season; she revived her Hamptons grievance - one that she had dropped in months - in order to pintail it with Erika's grumbling; practically scripted her original tete-a-tete with Rinna about 'affair'Gate; and explicitly twisted Rinna's arm on camera to get her to toe the line she's been working so industriously to establish against Lisa. After her condescending and cynical effort to paint the thematic confluence of Kathryn's debut with her own dramatic abuse scenery chewing as the work of a higher power, I think she's just as clearly dishonest as any cast mate on the current roster. But I wonder if she herself has a master prom-queen plan to use Yo's mental instability to undercut Lisa and then backstab the significantly weaker members of the blonde coven after the fact.

[Wings]

Andy JUST posted on his FB page for BH reunion questions 2 hours ago! LOL

 

Eileen was getting slammed on twitter for just that! So much so that she is now blocking people left and right that disagree with her or call her out on it! LOL

 

 

Gag, Yolanda's supporters are there.  All the questions to her are sympathetic to her plight.  I guess no one posting there reads any message boards.  

[MatildaMoody]

In real time, Kyle said she had never heard of Munchausen by proxy specifically; in her talking head, she noted that she had never heard of the word "Munchausen" in general applied in reference to Yolanda until Rinna introduced the subject. The premise that Rinna is now peddling defies credulity. Why wasn't she perturbed at Lisa's furrowed-brow silence when she initially broached the topic on camera? Why did it take months and Eileen's unsubtle nudging for her to arrive at this epiphany regarding Lisa's nefarious powers of mind control? It's impossible to overlook Yolanda's unsettling and transparent obsession with Lisa but, from my perspective, Eileen is actually steering the narrative this season; she revived her Hamptons grievance - one that she had dropped in months - in order to pintail it with Erika's grumbling; practically scripted her original tete-a-tete with Rinna about 'affair'Gate; and explicitly twisted Rinna's arm on camera to get her to toe the line she's been working so industriously to establish against Lisa. After her condescending and cynical effort to paint the thematic confluence of Kathryn's debut with her own dramatic abuse scenery chewing as the work of a higher power, I think she's just as clearly dishonest as any cast mate on the current roster. But I wonder if she herself has a master prom-queen plan to use Yo's mental instability to undercut Lisa and then backstab the significantly weaker members of the blonde coven after the fact.

 

This is beautiful. I want this to be true because it would be the best soap opera ever! Eileen would totally own that roll too. But, even if this is a word for word play by play of what is actually happening, BRAVO would be too stupid to actually show it to us. They would keep showing whatever nonsense Yolanda is peddling, and using Ericka to turn the conversation to how much she distrusts LisaV; or worse, she will start another conversation about Brandi and the producers with show flashbacks of the game night episodes to get more sympathy for Ericka and Brandi.

 

But, I want your version to be true. 

[Vicky8675309]

Andy JUST posted on his FB page for BH reunion questions 2 hours ago! LOL

 

Eileen was getting slammed on twitter for just that! So much so that she is now blocking people left and right that disagree with her or call her out on it! LOL

 

If she had just had a normal conversation with LVP and kept her stupid insecurities to herself NO ONE would be talking about it. So if Vinnie's ex or her ex or the kids get upset, it is ALL whineileen's fault since no one would have said anything about it (not from that innocuous conversation that LVP and Kyle were having that Whineileen stuck her nose into). It's almost like she wanted it to be her main storyline. I guess her next storyline is friend of munchie......get ready for more twitter unrest!

Gag, Yolanda's supporters are there.  All the questions to her are sympathetic to her plight.  I guess no one posting there reads any message boards.  

 

I don't go to FB much but last week there was tons of Yo dislike---the vault comment and her mental (or fake) illness. I wonder how many of those accounts are Daisy's FB accounts.

Edited March 5, 2016 by Vicky8675309

[WireWrap]

Gag, Yolanda's supporters are there.  All the questions to her are sympathetic to her plight.  I guess no one posting there reads any message boards.  

Most likely these are her fellow "Lymies" that now watch the show because of her and like you said, are not part of any MBs and they don't follow her on twitter so they don't see her lies. I also think there is the fraction that WANT to believe because they don't want to think that anyone could be lying not only about their own health but also their children's health. Then add in that some people that watch really believe what we see is real and shown in real time as well.