looptab November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 (edited) nevermind! I misread and misunderstood. Apologies! =) Edited November 13, 2015 by looptab Link to comment
apinknightmare November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 ?? If that's addressed at me, I'm not saying it's Felicity. I was just thinking of ways they could frame it to make it look like it is her. You wrote that it wasn't a sure thing that Felicity was in the hospital, and I was just saying that based on what we've seen, it probably is her. Link to comment
dtissagirl November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 I think they can put Felicity in the hospital mid-season and still keep the red-herrings about her afterwards -- all it takes is her escaping this one, cut to DD twirling his 'stache and going "NEXT TIME SHE'LL NOT GET OUT OF THIS ALIVE", cut to -- new flash-forward tease that shows where the death happens, and it's somewhere we've seen Felicity. 4 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 November 13, 2015 Author Share November 13, 2015 I think they can put Felicity in the hospital mid-season and still keep the red-herrings about her afterwards -- all it takes is her escaping this one, cut to DD twirling his 'stache and going "NEXT TIME SHE'LL NOT GET OUT OF THIS ALIVE", cut to -- new flash-forward tease that shows where the death happens, and it's somewhere we've seen Felicity. i hope not, it's beyond old at this point and we haven't even hit MSF. I can't imagine another month of this followed by a month of OMG Felicity is dead/missing over the Winter Break and then more "death herrings" following 410? No, thanks. 1 Link to comment
statsgirl November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 (edited) Now that Donna has met Quentin, it could be either him or Felicity if she shows up at the grave. Or maybe Thea since she's a nice person who would want to help Oliver when he's grieving. I'm still thinking AWOL is Diggle related since he's ex-miltary Could be both. This show likes to do parallels with multiple characters. Edited November 13, 2015 by statsgirl Link to comment
looptab November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 You wrote that it wasn't a sure thing that Felicity was in the hospital, and I was just saying that based on what we've seen, it probably is her.Yeah, sorry, I had totally misunderstood your post, and thought you were referring to the death-death and related freak-out. I edited my post :) Link to comment
dtissagirl November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 Re: when the death will happen in real time -- I think one of the reasons Arrow keeps their death/leave of the season to around episodes 19-20 is so the actor they're sacking skips pilot season. It's kinda shitty of them, but also -- if they film someone dying in November/December, and person gets cast in a pilot in filming December/January, that's it -- the secret is out. 2 Link to comment
apinknightmare November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 Yeah, sorry, I had totally misunderstood your post, and thought you were referring to the death-death and related freak-out. I edited my post :) Haha, no worries. I misread from time to time too. :) 1 Link to comment
Orion November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 “There might be” additional flash-forwards “here and there… right around midseason,” that certainly will add to the “Who dies?” mystery. “We’re definitely toying with that,” the EP added, “and when and if we do decide to do that, it will reveal even more pertinent information about not who’s going to be in the grave but certainly where our characters are when that [death] happens.” Thanks for bringing that quote over Morrigan2575 So we will probably get a scene where every character that is in play for the death is in some sort of life or death situation, cut to a close up on Oliver and a gun shot or explosion being heard over his coms and then cut to black. Dun dun dunnnn. Honestly, I think if they are going to remove a player off the "who is dead" board game by having someone show up at the grave with Oliver it will be Diggle. He's now close to Lance, Felicity, Lyla, Thea, Sara and Laurel. It leaves almost everyone still in play for the audience to worry about with the added advantage of being the most vague. If it's someone like Donna it clears the board of all but two or three players. Link to comment
AyChihuahua November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 If it's someone like Donna it clears the board of all but two or three players. Depending how the scene played, I'm not sure that's correct. Because if Felicity's sad, Donna would want to be there for her. I mean, this show is really, really contrived sometimes, so they could easily say Donna was in town to visit anyway and just went to whoever's funeral to support Felicity and/or Oliver. 2 Link to comment
kismet November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 I think that may be David playing with the kid to get her comfortable. That kid has actually been pretty amazing in her responses to the adults on the show, there's no discomfort at all. Like in the season premiere when Lyla lifted her from the floor to take her to her crib, or last season when Felicity took her from Digg. The kid just goes and even reaches for them. Makes me think they all spend some time with her. The baby has more emotional range in her scenes than some of the trained adults. #SorryNotSorry 8 Link to comment
EmilyBettFan November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 What if Baby Mama is DD's daughter and she does something to Felicity because her father told her to? That way there's drama everywhere. 1 Link to comment
kismet November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 (edited) It's probably Felicity. Can't think of any other reason why Donna would be around. We haven't seen EBR. Everyone else we've seen in BTS shots and they're all in normal clothes and hair/makeup, with the exception of Diggle. But Donna doesn't seem to know him well enough for a hospital stay. Well she came to town for RP's hospitalization, so they threw us all off the right trail then. So it could be anyone. But my betting self says that its EBR in the hospital. However, her in the hospital has nothing to do with the death and probably won't even impact the death. Although I also don't think they are killing FS in s4, I just can't see that happening. Edited November 13, 2015 by kismet 1 Link to comment
pootlus November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 Well she came to town for RP's hospitalization, so they threw us all off the right trail then. So it could be anyone. But my betting self says that its EBR in the hospital. However, her in the hospital has nothing to do with the death and probably won't even impact the death. Although I also don't think they are killing FS in s4, I just can't see that happening. Agreed - they might try and use it for a red herring though. My vote for next to show up at the grave? Donna - and Dinah. That'll put the cat among the pigeons... Link to comment
apinknightmare November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 Well she came to town for RP's hospitalization, so they threw us all off the right trail then. So it could be anyone. This is true. But we didn't have any BTS pictures that could give us any clues as to who was hospitalized or why. We've gotten one of every single actor but EBR and DR either in or around the hospital, in full makeup and street clothes. Since Donna's around - pretty sure the hospitalized person is Felicity (unless Diggle is hospitalized too, for whatever reason). 2 Link to comment
kismet November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 (edited) Gravesite predictions If Dinah shows up then its most definitely a Lance, I don't think the writers want to make it that obvious. Donna could be there for FS or QL, but not LL - so again I feel that is too obvious. I bet it will be SL at the gravesite - because she would be there for all the major character deaths. Her appearance doesn't rule anyone out, but hints more towards a Lance, but doesn't rule out FS. Edited November 13, 2015 by kismet 2 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 November 13, 2015 Author Share November 13, 2015 Do we have a BTS pics of PB/Lance at the hospital set? Link to comment
apinknightmare November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 (edited) Do we have a BTS pics of PB/Lance at the hospital set? Yes. ETA: We have a BTS pic of him and CR with what I thought looked like a hospital curtain in the background. But it might not be. He was in Lance clothes though - unless that's the kind of stuff PB normally wears. https://www.instagram.com/p/9r6IbbxoIE/?taken-by=charlotteross2 Edited November 13, 2015 by apinknightmare 1 Link to comment
statsgirl November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 The hospital patient doesn't necessarily connect with the grave though. Even if it is Felicity or Diggle in the hospital bed, it could be one of them in the grave or it could be a totally different person. There's up to another 7 episodes to go till the death. 2 Link to comment
kismet November 13, 2015 Share November 13, 2015 The hospital patient doesn't necessarily connect with the grave though. Even if it is Felicity or Diggle in the hospital bed, it could be one of them in the grave or it could be a totally different person. There's up to another 7 episodes to go till the death. I actually do not think the hospital patient has anything to do with the grave. I think they are completely separate events. They will be interconnected because they are all part of the growing battle against Darhk. But being the one in the hospital bed does not make immune from being the one in the grave. 2 Link to comment
Sakura12 November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 All this hospital talk is giving me deja vu from last season when everyone thought Felicity was in the hospital and it turned out to be Ray. 2 Link to comment
apinknightmare November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 Yeah, I don't think most people here are trying to figure out who's in the hospital because they think it's connected to the grave. We're just trying to figure out who it is so we know who it is. Link to comment
kismet November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 So are the only ones we haven't seen in BTS photos in normal clothes DR & EBR? Has everyone else been shown in street clothes? Link to comment
apinknightmare November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 So are the only ones we haven't seen in BTS photos in normal clothes DR & EBR? Has everyone else been shown in street clothes? Everyone else has been in what looks to be their character's clothes. CR, PB, KC and SA. I haven't seen Willa, but there were reports of her on set outside the hospital talking to the press and/or a lawyer (there were a few different accounts on Twitter). Link to comment
kismet November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 Everyone else has been in what looks to be their character's clothes. CR, PB, KC and SA. I haven't seen Willa, but there were reports of her on set outside the hospital talking to the press and/or a lawyer (there were a few different accounts on Twitter). Thanks for the recap. Have we heard anything about Lyla? I can imagine they would get Lyla back to be at Dig's bedside if he is in the hospital... Even without that info though. I really think its going to be FS in the hospital, they basically just made that obvious in the last episode thx to RP's big mouth, esp if DD is coming after OQ mayoral candidate as well. Link to comment
lemotomato November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 Do you think DD is going to make the logic leap and guess that Felicity is working with Green Arrow? RP contacts Felicity, then he gets rescued by GA. Quite a coincidence. 2 Link to comment
SmallScreenDiva November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 I hope so. It would made Damien extremely stupid if he doesn't make the leap (oh wait ... this is Arrow :P ). Also, seeing Felicity with Oliver at the gala should spark more suspicions; he said he already had some when he was trying to unmask the Green Arrow during their last confrontation. I really want him to focus his attention on Felicity: mentioned by RP in distress call, linked to GA because of the rescue, and now the girlfriend of the mayoral candidate who himself was suspected of being the vigilante a few months ago. And then I want Felicity to use her smarts to deflect suspicion, elude him :) 1 Link to comment
kismet November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 Do you think DD is going to make the logic leap and guess that Felicity is working with Green Arrow? RP contacts Felicity, then he gets rescued by GA. Quite a coincidence. It's not even that much of a logic leap... And DD is not an unintelligent male. Since they had such a big team, they should have had the other people steal something as part of a plan to put him off the track/connection. Link to comment
jay741982 November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 I got a whopper for the Mid season finale : Felicity AND Dig are seriously Hurt. Felicity gets taken and Dig is seriously Hurt trying to protect her. Then when Felicity is found in Episode 10 or 11 Shes seriously Hurt but worse then Dig basically she's comatose. Max angst for Oliver as his Brother and his love/Finace are hurt by DD. 2 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 November 14, 2015 Author Share November 14, 2015 I hope so. It would made Damien extremely stupid if he doesn't make the leap (oh wait ... this is Arrow :P ). Also, seeing Felicity with Oliver at the gala should spark more suspicions; he said he already had some when he was trying to unmask the Green Arrow during their last confrontation.Will DD figure it out? Hmm, I think this image from the the fan art thread should answer your question. 10 Link to comment
SmallScreenDiva November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 HAHAHA! But Darhk has been drinking the water in Star City for the past few months, so who knows? ;) 3 Link to comment
wonderwall November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 If anyone's still wondering whether it's Felicity in the hospital... Well CR took photos of her and SA in a hospital set... She also tweeted that she's been filming some very emotional scenes with him. Not to mention there haven't been any BTS pics from EBR, and the last one she posted (iirc) was one with DD in the background. There're also the anvils about Felicity handling herself against evil baddies and DD learning Felicity's name. Also the guy who plays DD said that Oliver is going to mess with something DD loves, and he's going to rain hell upon Oliver's world for that. All signs point to Felicity being in the hospital. REJOICE :p This is a story I've waited a while for!!! 2 Link to comment
EmilyBettFan November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 This is going to be so good. Mama Smoak, Oliver and Felicity! Diggle too! Omg they are all so good they are going to ace this. Link to comment
lemotomato November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 (edited) All signs point to Felicity being in the hospital. REJOICE :p This is a story I've waited a while for!!! Aww man... I want it, but I don't know if I trust the writers to do it right. The X-Files had a perfect loved-one-in-the-hospital trope episode ("One Breath") and I can only hope Arrow can come close to how good it was. It even had a tombstone fake-out. Edited November 14, 2015 by lemotomato 2 Link to comment
wonderwall November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 (edited) Aww man... I want it, but I don't know if I trust the writers to do it right. The X-Files had a perfect loved-one-in-the-hospital trope episode ("One Breath") and I can only hope Arrow can come close to how good it was. It even had a tombstone fake-out. If Oliver and Donna have an emotional conversation about Felicity's state, I'm 99% sure it will be a great moment and story for episode 10 :) SA knocked it out of the park with Thea's scene in the hospital, I'm sure he'll knock this one out of hte park too :) The only way they can ruin it for me is if they have Laurel keep him from drowning. Yikes. *knock on wood* Edited November 14, 2015 by wonderwall 5 Link to comment
BkWurm1 November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 Random spec: Felicity is in the hospital for all of 410, and when she wakes up at the end of the episode, she leaves without saying anything to anyone. Hence 411 = AWOL. And that leads to Papa Smoak somehow. I'm still thinking AWOL is Diggle related since he's ex-miltary Why not both? Lost Souls certainly had a lot of different meanings. This show loves to do titles that have more than one obvious application. Link to comment
bijoux November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 Preview images for 4x07 -- We missed an important piece of information. Oliver's arms get banged up but good in the next episode. This is the one where he whips a guy, right? Now, I'll just skip over the bitching about lacking sleeves as protection and skip over to headcannonig about Felicity soothing his aches. 1 Link to comment
kismet November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 That bottom pic looks like its headed for the blooper reel... SA cannot keep straight face. Also I miss the old pants, I think they looked better from behind. Yes dumb no arm protection. Like the fanwanking of FS smoothing all his boo boos. I bet we will see a costume revision next season... 2 Link to comment
tv echo November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 (edited) From the TVInsider article on the Flash/Arrow crossover episodes: “The final moments of The Flash have a pretty big jaw-dropper and we pick up those threads in Arrow,” he says. “Then we do some things with the characters from Arrow…that are pretty epic and major.” Any speculation? On a different note, I seem to recall a spoiler where someone said that there's a reason they're called "Ghosts" (but I can't find it now), which makes me think that Andy Diggle is dead, but DD can magically reanimate dead people (like zombies, they can retain basic functions and a modicum of memory). So that's why DD can kill them with a touch - his whole army of goons is made up of reanimated dead people. Edited November 14, 2015 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
apinknightmare November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 I would say that the jaw-dropper has something to do with the kid, probably. And yeah, I think DD is reanimating dead people or something of the like. That's probably why he wanted all of their records erased from that database - so no one could identify them. Still don't understand how an evil dead zombie could refrain from killing his brother, but I'll just chalk that up in the "That's so Arrow" column, if true. 1 Link to comment
bijoux November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 On a different note, I seem to recall a spoiler where someone said that there's a reason they're called "Ghosts" (but I can't find it now), which makes me think that Andy Diggle is dead, but DD can magically reanimate dead people (like zombies, they can retain basic functions and a modicum of memory). So that's why DD can kill them with a touch - his whole army of goons is made up of reanimated dead people. It's from one of the promos for next week. DD says something along the lines of, "People call you ghosts. They have no idea how right they are." 2 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 November 14, 2015 Author Share November 14, 2015 I would say that the jaw-dropper has something to do with the kid, probably. And yeah, I think DD is reanimating dead people or something of the like. That's probably why he wanted all of their records erased from that database - so no one could identify them. Still don't understand how an evil dead zombie could refrain from killing his brother, but I'll just chalk that up in the "That's so Arrow" column, if true. I figured out he was doing that awhile back and it reminds me of the Jade Empire subplot lines. In it you learn towards the end that (old game but still putting it behind spoilers) the main villain (Deaths Hand) wasn't who you thought and, that he was the spirit of a dead man bound to armor and the Emperor's Will. He was controlled and made to serve the Emperor but still had his own thoughts/feelings. After you defeat him, Sun Kim begs for release/full death. If you go the Way of the Fist you can bind him to your will and set Death's Hand on your enemies. If you go Open Palm, you set his spirit free and let him rest in (relative) peace . I always figured DD was similar, he had control over the Ghosts but they still who knew they were and had thoughts/feelings and occasionally could over ride DDs control if their emotions were strong enough. If they play it this way, I could see an episode where DD sets Andy on Diggle and Andy/Digg get an emotional/powerful scene of Andy struggling with his orders to kill Digg. Basically the Dean/Castiel scene from S8 1 Link to comment
Sakura12 November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 On Tumblr I saw another theory for Laurel being in the grave. Last episode they had both Canary's and it was a chance to show that Laurel is "equal" to her sister (*shutter*) and useful to the Team. However instead of her doing anything or proving herself they used that time to show us how badass Sara is, which most of us already knew. Black Canary hid for most of the fight scene while The Canary ran through a spray of bullets and took down a bunch of them, in three way fight, the camera most focused on Sara and Thea, Laurel had one shot of the side of her head, then she was in the background of Sara and Thea. Then the last scene was Laurel and Thea not paying attention while Sara was already running towards the last guy also showing that Thea could benefit from some training from Sara as well. (since her need to kill Thea has been cured somehow) I also don't remember Laurel doing anything when they broke into Kord Industries either. I'm not complaining that they showed us Sara is still better than Laurel, but you'd think if Laurel is supposed to be important going forward that she would've done something to show she's needed. 1 Link to comment
Chaser November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 We are certain Sara and Ray are in the Crossover right? Link to comment
Morrigan2575 November 14, 2015 Author Share November 14, 2015 We thought they were in the crossover but, it's looking more and more like only the Hawks and Vandal Savage will be in the Flarrow Crossover Link to comment
Chaser November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 (edited) That's annoying. Hunter could have pulled them from time in the pilot and actually given Sara the re-introduction she deserved and spared Arrow the set-up weight. I'm wondering now if Laurel is in the Flash portion since it takes place in Star City. Or they could cover it by saying Laurel is in CC visiting Sara. Edited November 14, 2015 by 10Eleven12 Link to comment
Starfish35 November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 That's strange. So Rip isn't going to show up until the premiere then? This crossover is not at all what I thought it was going to be. 1 Link to comment
Chaser November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 If we do see the whole crew, I'm thinking it's going to be in the last few mins. A re-do of the LOT trailer clip. 1 Link to comment
tarotx November 14, 2015 Share November 14, 2015 (edited) I think Rip recuiting all these characters will be what the LOT pilot will be about. The Hawks are the "big" name characters of LOT. They want to do Hawkgirl's orgin justice on the Crossover. Sara and Ray have had their Origin stories already. They just needed to be brought back to life. Cold and the new Firestorm have had their orgin or tread into good guyness told this season. So Hawkgirl's orgin is the crossover. Which is what I thought was happening ever sense we got the spoiler of the Hawk specialist professor. I just thought we'd get more Sara being badass :( At least they showed it last week. Edited November 14, 2015 by tarotx 3 Link to comment
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