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apinknightmare

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9 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Well, she is in the (Argus?) hospital.

Yeah, but for that to be meaningful we have to know who she passes herself off as E1 Laurel to. If it's someone in ARGUS, then it's self-contained and not an issue. If it's a rando person who doesn't know about other earths and doppelgängers, it seems like they'd have to publicly acknowledge that the person who is passing herself off as Laurel Lance isn't actually Laurel Lance, was my point.

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13 minutes ago, thegirlsleuth said:

The rest sounds nightmarish, but Black Siren walking around pretending to be Laurel could be fun. I'm picturing a sort of Faith pretending to be Buffy when they swapped bodies: "You can't do that.  It's wrong!" and then rolling her eyes.

Great. Now I'm bitter that Eliza Dushku isn't playing Black Siren.

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7 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

Yeah, but for that to be meaningful we have to know who she passes herself off as E1 Laurel to. If it's someone in ARGUS, then it's self-contained and not an issue. If it's a rando person who doesn't know about other earths and doppelgängers, it seems like they'd have to publicly acknowledge that the person who is passing herself off as Laurel Lance isn't actually Laurel Lance, was my point.

But Laurel Lance was pronounced dead, really most sincerely dead and buried in a coffin (wasn't she). This is why you salt and burn all the bodies! I don't care if this isn't Supernatural. It's just good sense! Yes I know even in that show people come back, I'm just sayin' .

Everyone knows she's dead. Black Canary had a statue and everything.

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Morrigan2575

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20 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

Yeah, but for that to be meaningful we have to know who she passes herself off as E1 Laurel to. If it's someone in ARGUS, then it's self-contained and not an issue. If it's a rando person who doesn't know about other earths and doppelgängers, it seems like they'd have to publicly acknowledge that the person who is passing herself off as Laurel Lance isn't actually Laurel Lance, was my point.

Yeah, sorry. I was agreeing with you m if she's in a normal hospital they might have to deal with fake LL shenanigans. If it's at Argus they all in the know.

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1 hour ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

Also, is that collapsed lung gonna come back later like Laurel's blood clot? Delayed death?

Fingers crossed!  Hopefully his last words will be “this doesn’t change anything, Hoss” and then he’s gone. No doppelgängers need apply for future appearances.

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leopardprint

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I’m assuming that the Civil War storyline as well as the BS stuff ends around 6x17 since that’s when S5 started jettisoning the stupid and pointless filler storylines. Maybe that one random spoiler about a regular dying was not CJ but Rene. 

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Also, I’ve missed a few episodes, but did the FBI agent peace out? Has she even been filming? 

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Fingers crossed!  Hopefully his last words will be “this doesn’t change anything, Hoss” and then he’s gone. 

And he says it to an empty room because everyone has better things to do with their time than visit his stupid ass. OTA should be out, having a nice welcome dinner with Roy at that time. That would be awesome. 

If there is any reconcilliation (blergh) and they make OTA/Oliver grovel before the horrible noobs, there will hell to pay. I`d rather have BS join the team as some weird frenemy thing.  

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leopardprint

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Just now, thegirlsleuth said:

I went over and looked at the spoilers on Reddit and they seem to take it as 100 percent confirmation that Laurel is being redeemed. I'm not ruling it out, but I don't consider it a slam dunk. 

So redemption, by their definition, is fraudulently assuming the public identity of a dead heroic woman but not actually being a heroic woman? 

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Just now, apinknightmare said:

I just noticed this:

Did the Captain just out him/herself as being a part of 3-Dragon's team or is he somehow a county official or someone else in the community that is passing as a good guy?

I'm not sure I follow. I just assumed that both the DA and Captain are in Diaz's pocket.

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3 minutes ago, leopardprint said:

So redemption, by their definition, is fraudulently assuming the public identity of a dead heroic woman but not actually being a heroic woman? 

They think she's "embracing the role of Laurel." Instead of, you know, acting on her cockroach survival instincts like she always has, because she figures out from Lance's unhinged attempts at turning her into Laurel that pretending to be Laurel will help her get away with shit.

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Belinea

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Is NTA leaving next season as well? Because I really don't want them to interact with OTA again. Are people actually torn over this spilt? 

As for Laurel: After 5 seasons, I got used to the fact that they'll find something to do with her. Even if many people don't care for the storylines they come up with for her. 

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I've seen a couple of people blaming everything on Curtis and still supporting Dinah and Rene but they're stans and they don't really like Oliver so...yeah. I can't see the majority being torn over this. Every week people dislike the newbies even more, from what I've seen. And if they actually say they're done with OTA yet again? Eyes will roll everywhere. Haha.

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Morrigan2575

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Just did a reread. Rene leaves town to heal. Is that they're wayong of getting Oliver off the hook for GA? Rene can't testify against him? 

Of course we assumed that the DA was in 615 for the GA trial maybe they're going after Oliver for the lost money?

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KenyaJ

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25 minutes ago, Velocity23 said:

They're gonna squeeze all that redemption into the last 6 episodes?

1 minute ago, lemotomato said:

I'm disappointed that the DA is dirty. It would've been nice to have one that was good at his job and not evil for once. 

On the bright side, since the feds inexplicably transferred Oliver's case to the DA, if Oliver proves he's dirty, that indictment is going to be dismissed in short order. Oliver beats the law again!

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leopardprint

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Just now, lemotomato said:

I'm disappointed that the DA is dirty. It would've been nice to have one that was good at his job and not evil for once. 

I guess this corrupt DA is taking over the FBI storyline then? Wait, it’s not Blaurel is it? I forgot if Laurel was an ADA when she died or she was quitting TA so she could go be an ADA again? 

16 minutes ago, Belinea said:

As for Laurel: After 5 season, I got used to the fact that they'll find something to do with her. Even if many people don't care for the storylines they come up with for her. 

As dumb as I think the BS storyline is, I kind of feel the same way, I would honestly take a redeemed Black Siren in exchange for NoTA never to be mentioned again. 

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apinknightmare

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1 minute ago, leopardprint said:

I guess this corrupt DA is taking over the FBI storyline then? Wait, it’s not Blaurel is it? I forgot if Laurel was an ADA when she died or she was quitting TA so she could go be an ADA again? 

I would love it if BSLaurel would attempt trying a case lmao:

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Midnight Lullaby

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12 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

I've seen a couple of people blaming everything on Curtis and still supporting Dinah and Rene 

That makes no sense to me also thinking about how they are both supposedly closet to Diggle than Curtis ever was. JH even said Dinah considers Diggle her best friend and that’s how she acts? With friends like these who needs enemies..

12 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Just did a reread. Rene leaves town to heal. Is that they're wayong of getting Oliver off the hook for GA? Rene can't testify against him? 

If the problem is that he can’t be there temporarily they can simply reschedule..also Rene did all this mess for immunity and if he simply vanishes it would go away so it doesn’t seem a good way to wrap up that story. (Watch them do exactly that, lol)

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apinknightmare

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1 minute ago, Midnight Lullaby said:

If the problem is that he can’t be there temporarily they can simply reschedule..also Rene did all this mess for immunity and if he simply vanishes it would go away so it doesn’t seem a good way to wrap up that story. (Watch them do exactly that, lol)

He did it to get his daughter back, so taking off without completing his end of the bargain is even more dumb haha. 

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Primal Slayer

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37 minutes ago, thegirlsleuth said:

I went over and looked at the spoilers on Reddit and they seem to take it as 100 percent confirmation that Laurel is being redeemed. I'm not ruling it out, but I don't consider it a slam dunk. 

They do take the littlest thing a run with it over there. I'm A Huge Laurel fan and I think this just makes it seem even less likely that a redemption will take place. 

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leopardprint

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12 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

I would love it if BSLaurel would attempt trying a case lmao:

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8 MINUTES AGO, MIDNIGHT LULLABY SAID:

I wonder if they’ll show he remembered to take her with him or arrange for a babysitter..poor kid, hahahaha 

And take away another opportunity to randomly blame Oliver? 

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insomniadreams88

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Something that bothers me if they have BS pretending to be E1LL for an extended period of time/if they have her do this publicly: We've seen nothing from her that suggests she could pull that off on her own. 

But maybe I should blame the writing for that. (After all, look at Dragon.*) Maybe they're going to surprise us and BS has been planning this all season and has thought of anything and everything that could prove she's lying. 

*ETA: They clearly wanted that to be a big surprise moment when he killed Cayden at the end of 613. Maybe they're going for something similar with BS? "Look, surprise! She's been planning this."

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JamieLynn832002

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Those spoilers are just...yikes! Even ignoring the more problematic chip-hacking issue, is there a biggest hypocrite in the world award that Curtis is determined to win? Dude, you can't get pissed someone spied on you for a good reason and then spy on them to find someone you want to murder and also maintain the self-righteous moral high ground! Especially if you spied first and later manipulated a medical device to do so.

The writers can't honestly still believe there's any coming back from this for NTA, right? I seriously can't think of villain I've hated worse than I do NTA. At least the villains don't spend literally all their time talking about their moral superiority while being absolute dicks.

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SmallScreenDiva

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Watch the writers resolve the whole Civil War plotline in 1 episode in a manner that has nothing to do with the original grievances, LOL! OTA and the newbs will be singing "We Are Family" by ep 21 and a fully integrated team with bunker shower privileges by ep 23. 

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4 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

Watch the writers resolve the whole Civil War plotline in 1 episode in a manner that has nothing to do with the original grievances, LOL! OTA and the newbs will be singing "We Are Family" by ep 21 and a fully integrated team with bunker shower privileges by ep 23. 

Too bad I'll hate the newbies forever and their piss-poor resolution won't change that! Haha.

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Primal Slayer

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49 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

Something that bothers me if they have BS pretending to be E1LL for an extended period of time/if they have her do this publicly: We've seen nothing from her that suggests she could pull that off on her own. 

But maybe I should blame the writing for that. (After all, look at Dragon.*) Maybe they're going to surprise us and BS has been planning this all season and has thought of anything and everything that could prove she's lying. 

*ETA: They clearly wanted that to be a big surprise moment when he killed Cayden at the end of 613. Maybe they're going for something similar with BS? "Look, surprise! She's been planning this."

She already played Laurel for a hot minute last year. Prometheus told her enough, paired with the fact that Quentin has been giving her slide shows about Laurel....it shouldn't be that hard. They look at her dna? It'll look exactly like Laurels. They ask her something only Laurel would know? She claims she is traumatized after being held captive for 2 years. But we know the likelihood of the show going deep into every nook and cranny is slim to none.

Plus if OTA/NTA try to blow her cover...well...she knows their dirty little secrets that she could easily blurt out.

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Wow. I missed a lot! I can't comprehend how the writers think that team assholes will ever be redeemed to fans. To write these three knowingly cause Digg (or any OTA, Thea or Lance) physical pain, over a vendetta, is unforgivable. I loved Slade, I think what he did was unforgivable, but I still enjoy him. But I can also fanwank his behavior to a certain extent because of the mirakuru. But Dinah, Renee, and Curtis have no excuse other than the fact that they're a bunch of brats. I just wonder if the writers believe fans will forgive them, or if there's another purpose to these three being so awful. Maybe not all three make it to next season (one can pray)? Also, I am still team no redemption. Nothing up to this point makes me think Siren is gonna be redeemed. I do think whatever her endgame ends up being is meant to torture Lance, and I can even see him dying this year. That said, I have no interest in this LL being anything but evil. I'd prefer they find a way to have the Legends save her and bring E1 LL back, if that means we can get rid of team assholes. I don't think there has been a character or villain who I've disliked more than NTA, and that's saying something. Right now Barry is looking real good in comparison to me.

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BkWurm1

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4 hours ago, leopardprint said:

Also, I’ve missed a few episodes, but did the FBI agent peace out? Has she even been filming? 

 

 

3 hours ago, leopardprint said:

I guess this corrupt DA is taking over the FBI storyline then? Wait, it’s not Blaurel is it? I forgot if Laurel was an ADA when she died or she was quitting TA so she could go be an ADA again? 

 

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When Samanda Watson brought charges against Oliver, she handed over the case to the DA since it all happened in Star City and we haven't seen her since (outside of some fun promo for her part in Black Panther).  But at the time when last we saw her, I thought they indicated that when the actual prosecution started, she'd be back to see it happen.  Or at least that had been my impression.  I suppose it is possible that their plans changed and they decided to just use the local guy.  The actress might be too busy to get back for Arrow right now. 

I do hope we eventually learn more about her and her motives.  And I'd think they'd need her or another FBI person to finish off the Rene testifying thing.

4 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Just did a reread. Rene leaves town to heal. Is that they're wayong of getting Oliver off the hook for GA? Rene can't testify against him? 

Of course we assumed that the DA was in 615 for the GA trial maybe they're going after Oliver for the lost money?

Rene was being sent to a different hospital, I assume for a specialist or something but apart from hopefully getting him off our screen so they can bring Roy back to play for a couple episodes (and hopefully take the other newbs with him) I don't think it will last. 

 

3 hours ago, Midnight Lullaby said:

I wonder if they’ll show he remembered to take her with him or arrange for a babysitter..poor kid, hahahaha 

Oh it's pretty clear who is actually the caretaker in this relationship.  Suddenly I wonder if Rene knew what he'd been doing leaving her in foster care.  

43 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

Watch the writers resolve the whole Civil War plotline in 1 episode in a manner that has nothing to do with the original grievances, LOL! OTA and the newbs will be singing "We Are Family" by ep 21 and a fully integrated team with bunker shower privileges by ep 23. 

 

38 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

Too bad I'll hate the newbies forever and their piss-poor resolution won't change that! Haha.

 

It's a mortal lock. 

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Primal Slayer

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I am tired of them coming up with all of these out of the blue devices that allow them to track anyone. It's just gotten ridiculous at this point. 

And why does Dinah have to wear the canary collar? They created a power dampener in 5x10 that renders Canary Cries useless...

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