apinknightmare October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 Yeah, the voice really doesn't sound like a female. Thea really doesn't make sense to me, but SO MANY people think it's her, just because it would be the most "shocking" person. But how could Thea possibly be redeemed if it was her? Her character would remain a villain or be killed off during her "redemption." To me, it sounds like it could be a modulated female voice, but it really could go either way. But I really don't think it's Thea - I can't think of any context in which that would make sense, even if she has been training with Merlyn. 1 Link to comment
ban1o October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 (edited) To me, it sounds like it could be a modulated female voice, but it really could go either way. But I really don't think it's Thea - I can't think of any context in which that would make sense, even if she has been training with Merlyn. Yeah I agree. It doesn't really make sense. Merlyn has not reason to kill Sara. And Thea doesn't either. I think that theory is just popular because people are trying to think of the most shocking result. -I've heard of people who think it's Oliver and Roy lol. I doubt the actor/person who made the voice that said "Sara" is even the character who it is. It could have just been a stock voice the show used. Edited October 11, 2014 by ban1o Link to comment
calliope1975 October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 If it's Thea, then TIIC are even more stupid than I already think they are. Therefore, it's probably Thea. 2 Link to comment
JayKay October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 Sounds like a really hungover Moira to me. But apinkightmare is probably right. They wouldn't risk spoiling their big mystery, so it's probably the sound mixer's wife or something. Link to comment
apinknightmare October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 I think they must tell Lance because IIRC there were some pictures of Laurel, Quentin and Nyssa filming scenes together. I can maybe understand why Laurel doesn't want to tell him for health reasons but she has to. There is no way around it. It would be unbelievable otherwise. And I guess they have to have a secret burial because they don't want anyone to find out that Sara was a secret masked vigilante/assassin by night which would happen if they handed her body over to the Police. Well, unless they're being tricky with the shots (which, granted, isn't unheard of) Quentin's not at the burial. There were only 5 people in the long shot they showed of the cemetery in one of the preview clips, and those five are Oliver, Laurel, Felicity, Roy and Diggle per the close ups. So either they don't tell Quentin right away, or he finds out later. Either way, from what we can see, he's not there when they bury her. I think they don't tell him right away, which is probably part of the reason why they're being secretive about it. There's an assassin coming to town next ep who is arrowing people, so it's not like they couldn't have set it up to look like he killed Sara so she could be buried properly. Also, since her body isn't going to be prepped, ugh. The eventual stench. Link to comment
Danny Franks October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 What's the mystery? I'm not even watching, and I already know that it will turn out to have been Ra's Al Ghul, or at least on his orders. Otherwise, why is he slated to appear in season 3? The Merlyn connection is too tangential to really make Oliver care, and Nyssa is probably going to be killed too, by the mid-season finale (let's face it, her death could really open up a lot of storylines. Right?) Link to comment
ban1o October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 What's the mystery? I'm not even watching, and I already know that it will turn out to have been Ra's Al Ghul, or at least on his orders. Otherwise, why is he slated to appear in season 3? The Merlyn connection is too tangential to really make Oliver care, and Nyssa is probably going to be killed too, by the mid-season finale (let's face it, her death could really open up a lot of storylines. Right?) I don't think Nyssa is going to die at least not in the first half. Her connection to Ra's Al Guhl is integral to this season. You're probably right that the death has something to do with Ra' Al Guhl. Link to comment
TanyaKay October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 I can't see it being Thea. It would certainly have the shock factor and be dark, but Oliver being 'responsible" for Sara's first death and then Thea actually killing her? They are already killed the romance between O and L, that would destory the friendship too. I don't think they would go there. Not for Katie Cassidy. I am sure that even if the story goes in the direction where Thea killed Sara in cold blood, Katie Cassidy would go to a con and say that it was such a beautiful moment that brought Oliver and Laurel closer and now they are more in love with each other. OMG ... as if the stupid story line was not bad enough, I am just reminded that she would be BC this season. Yikes. I am sure that she had it her contract that she would become Black Canary otherwise I do not see any other reason or for her to become BC. 4 Link to comment
statsgirl October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 I agree that it's more likely Thea (and not Laurel) who won't meet her comic destiny. If Laurel decides not to become BC, then, with Sara's death, there will be no BC - and I doubt the EPs would go that path, esp. if they still harbor hopes of a BOP spin-off in the future. A third, kinda compromise path to Laurel's journey of "am I me or my sister" is this - Laurel decides that she's not her sister, the Canary, but will become her own kind of superhero, the Black Canary. So she's still Laurel, but she's still BC. A cop-out, I know. Yes, she would continue her hypocrisy of being a DA who prosecutes law-breakers by day while being a law-breaking vigilante by night. But consistency has never been one of her character traits. That's what they're going to do. Laurel will be her own kind of Black Canary, not an assassin because the Laurel-lovers says that an awful person and not good enough to be the Black Canary, but her own, blackmailing arm-twisting-a-man-in-a-hospital-bed kind of Canary. There is no way these EPs are going to let KC/Laurel not become the Black Canary. This whole thing just feels sleazy. I have no clue who decided that this was the way to get rid of Sara, but they need to be fired. Just an awful way to treat her character. Shot and dropped in the garbage, then dumped in a reopened grave in the middle of the night without bothering to tell anyone. Gross. Yes, but we'll see her in flashbacks so it's all okay. The EPs love her, don't ya know? [/sarcasm] OMG ... as if the stupid story line was not bad enough, I am just reminded that she would be BC this season. Yikes. I am sure that she had it her contract that she would become Black Canary otherwise I do not see any other reason or for her to become BC. Or at least, they would have waited till the end of the season. Unless they really are that delusional that they think the only reason people don't like Laurel is because she's not the Black Canary yet. Link to comment
Morrigan2575 October 11, 2014 Author Share October 11, 2014 I ad a crazy thought but wasn't going to mention it but @thecatbastet mentioned it elsewhere so I figured if 2 of us thought about it maybe not so crazy. What is it's Tommy? What if Ra's resurrected Tommy, brain washed him, trained him all to use against Malcolm. Crazy I know but it's the only shocking person, Ra's is just so obvious. Link to comment
wingster55 October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 But how could Thea possibly be redeemed if it was her? Maybe she won't. I hope it's not the case but having someone Oliver loves going full on dark/evil is something that hasn't happened yet..it's been teased with Tommy and Moira but hasn't been executed. What is it's Tommy? What if Ra's resurrected Tommy, brain washed him, trained him all to use against Malcolm. I'd like it..kinda. Speaking of..Colin mentioned a specific circumstance that brought Tommy to China...the vagueness was interesting (also he said that Tommy and Oliver meet in Hong Kong..hm) Link to comment
Guest October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 (edited) Yeah, I didn't really think it was a big mystery. They revealed who the Big bad is. Although if it is Ra's al Ghul, why did he wait five months and travel all the way to Starling City just to kill her? I think the real mystery is why Sara was back in SC in the first place. Edited October 11, 2014 by Guest Link to comment
Happy Harpy October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 What is it's Tommy? What if Ra's resurrected Tommy, brain washed him, trained him all to use against Malcolm. The only silver lining I had with Tommy's death is that at least, he didn't become a villain. So I actually think it could be, since it would trample again an original idea and a development that made sense (Oliver not killing in order to honor Tommy) for a Spiderman-esque déjà-vu. After the stunt they pulled with Sara, I'd put nothing past the writers in terms of WTF. Link to comment
wingster55 October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 For the viewer the why (and why Sara was in SC) are the bigger mysteries. The only silver lining I had with Tommy's death is that at least, he didn't become a villain.So I actually think it could be, since it would trample again an original idea and a development that made sense (Oliver not killing in order to honor Tommy) The only reason why I don't think that this is so, is because of real life reasons (Colin's show) Link to comment
Sakura12 October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 I wouldn't put it past these writers to kill Nyssa, so Ra's can have a reason to hate Oliver. Because that is the only story they know how to tell. 1 Link to comment
strikera0 October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 I think it's purposely ambiguous - that won't wind up being the actual voice of the person who did it. But it definitely sounds like it could be a woman. I suspect the same thing. My money is still on Ra's as the killer. Link to comment
Danny Franks October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 I wouldn't put it past these writers to kill Nyssa, so Ra's can have a reason to hate Oliver. Because that is the only story they know how to tell. Well, what other use does Nyssa have for these writers? She's gay (as far as we know), so no hopping onto Oliver's batch. They already killed Sara, who was her tie to Starling City. So yeah, Nyssa will surely become a plot device to sow dissent amongst manly, masculine men who can blame one another for her death. 1 Link to comment
ban1o October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 Some spoiler from NYCC comic-con http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/10/arrow-season-3-spoilers-from-nycc.html He also said stuff about Thea and how there will definitely be no powers on Arrow. I guess that rules out the lazarus pit lol. Link to comment
wonderwall October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 (edited) Some spoiler from NYCC comic-con http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/10/arrow-season-3-spoilers-from-nycc.html He also said stuff about Thea and how there will definitely be no powers on Arrow. I guess that rules out the lazarus pit lol. THIS SADDENS ME BECAUSE NO MORE SARA. But it makes me feel better because no Canary Cry. YESSSS. Also your links never work :p Why is that? For those of you who want to see the link: http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/10/arrow-season-3-spoilers-from-nycc.html Edited October 11, 2014 by wonderwall 1 Link to comment
apinknightmare October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 (edited) Colin talking about flashback ep with Tommy coming up, set in Hong Kong, Ollie and Tommy encounter each other I know the EPs said this isn't a retcon, and I'm really curious as to HOW this isn't a retcon. Does Tommy not recognize him or something? Edited October 11, 2014 by apinknightmare 1 Link to comment
wingster55 October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 More I think of it...more I manage to convince myself that Ra's isn't the killer. She may have had a bit more fear if it was. Link to comment
ban1o October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 (edited) Also your links never work :p Why is that? For those of you who want to see the link: http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/10/arrow-season-3-spoilers-from-nycc.html lol uggh. I seriously have no idea. Edited October 11, 2014 by ban1o Link to comment
kryptonjedi October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 I think that whoever killed Sara, did so with the intent on stopping whatever mission she was on. So once we find out what League of Assassins assignment she was on that will probably narrow down the suspects. Link to comment
Guest October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 Some spoiler from NYCC comic-con http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/10/arrow-season-3-spoilers-from-nycc.html He also said stuff about Thea and how there will definitely be no powers on Arrow. I guess that rules out the lazarus pit lol. I'm intrigued by this fight with swords in episode 9. Do you think this might link to Katana in the flashbacks? Link to comment
Danny Franks October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 Some spoiler from NYCC comic-con http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/10/arrow-season-3-spoilers-from-nycc.html He also said stuff about Thea and how there will definitely be no powers on Arrow. I guess that rules out the lazarus pit lol. No powers on Arrow except for superspeed and super-strength. Got it. Once you've uncorked that bottle, you can't stuff the genie back in, guys. You already reneged on that promise to satisfy your Barry Allen boners. Link to comment
ban1o October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 (edited) I'm intrigued by this fight with swords in episode 9. Do you think this might link to Katana in the flashbacks? Yeah I was thinking about Katana too. I'm really hoping we see her in present day and she isn't killed off pointlessly like some other Asian female character Edited October 11, 2014 by ban1o Link to comment
apinknightmare October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 (edited) More I think of it...more I manage to convince myself that Ra's isn't the killer. She may have had a bit more fear if it was. As far as we know, she doesn't have a reason to fear him. The LoA members called her "the beloved." ETA: Yeah, she did leave the league, but she went back. Unless we find out that she actually didn't. Edited October 11, 2014 by apinknightmare Link to comment
wingster55 October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 I think it is a bit of a mistake not to go full on with powers...maybe not reference the Lazarus Pits since Oliver might then try to resurrect Sara, Moira and Tommy but...powers are there..use them. Link to comment
DrSpaceman10 October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 (edited) I think the thing that SA said about the "growing number of superheroes in Starling/Central cities affects Oliver's end place this season" means that Oliver won't have to always be the Arrow (meaning he can take some time off and have a "normal life") because there are other people also out there saving the city. It reminds me of when Faith came to town on Buffy and everyone thought Buffy could go to college and have a normal life because Faith would protect Sunnydale. Or even the end of the series (spoiler for Buffy) when all of the potentials turned into actual slayers. Edited October 11, 2014 by drspaceman10 Link to comment
wonderwall October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 I think it is a bit of a mistake not to go full on with powers...maybe not reference the Lazarus Pits since Oliver might then try to resurrect Sara, Moira and Tommy but...powers are there..use them. I don't think so because powers = need more CGI = more money for said powers = less money for production on other things = crappier season. I think it's smart that they don't do powers. I like that Arrow is more realistic than Flash because that's what sets it apart from Flash. I think that's what made Arrow a success in the first place. Anyways, yeah. No powers. I'm good with this. 1 Link to comment
ban1o October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 (edited) Yeah apparently The Flash/Arrow crossover has a much larger budget then the typical arrow episode. A lot of money is needed for powers. It makes sense why they are leaving it off Arrow. Edited October 11, 2014 by ban1o Link to comment
apinknightmare October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 I don't think so because powers = need more CGI = more money for said powers = less money for production on other things = crappier season. I think it's smart that they don't do powers. I like that Arrow is more realistic than Flash because that's what sets it apart from Flash. I think that's what made Arrow a success in the first place. Anyways, yeah. No powers. I'm good with this. I agree - I like the no powers on this show. Although it is weird that there's a town 600 miles away full of metahumans, but...they wouldn't want to go to Starling anyway. As was established in the premiere - it's a shithole. 1 Link to comment
ban1o October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 I agree - I like the no powers on this show. Although it is weird that there's a town 600 miles away full of metahumans, but...they wouldn't want to go to Starling anyway. As was established in the premiere - it's a shithole. LOL exactly! what would a metahuman possibly go to Starling City for. It sucks. 1 Link to comment
apinknightmare October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 I think the thing that SA said about the "growing number of superheroes in Starling/Central cities affects Oliver's end place this season" means that Oliver won't have to always be the Arrow (meaning he can take some time off and have a "normal life") because there are other people also out there saving the city. One positive for the Laurel arc (because I'm assuming she'll be one of those "heroes.") I really would like to see Oliver have something good in his life and learn how to balance that with being the Arrow. He needs some happiness, his life is like a black hole of suck. Link to comment
wingster55 October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 ETA: Yeah, she did leave the league, but she went back. Unless we find out that she actually didn't. She may have left...again. As for powers...having them does blow the budget but I don't think it makes it crappier. Link to comment
apinknightmare October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 She may have left...again. As for powers...having them does blow the budget but I don't think it makes it crappier. She might have, but good lord did she not learn the first time? And she didn't tell Laurel to watch herself or anything, so I could be wrong, but I don't think she's left again. Link to comment
wonderwall October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 I agree - I like the no powers on this show. Although it is weird that there's a town 600 miles away full of metahumans, but...they wouldn't want to go to Starling anyway. As was established in the premiere - it's a shithole. I think that they did a good job explaining why. The reason for said metahumans was because of the particle accelerator and I'm pretty sure this particle accelerator bursting didn't reach Starling. That too, no person would go to Starling right now because Arrow explained that people are leaving Starling because of the 2 terrorist attacks so it looks like no metahumans are going to be coming to Starling. 1 Link to comment
ban1o October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 She was just on a mission in Starling City I think. Link to comment
Sakura12 October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 Yes, her mission was to be thrown out like trash so Laurel/KC can have everything she wanted. 2 Link to comment
statsgirl October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 If Starling City is full of superheroes at the end of the season (by which I assume they mean Roy, Laurel and maybe Ray), what is the point of Oliver? Even more, what is the point of the O/D/F Team Arrow? I know the EPs said this isn't a retcon, and I'm really curious as to HOW this isn't a retcon. Does Tommy not recognize him or something? I think they said that Tommy doesn't see Oliver. Link to comment
ban1o October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 (edited) If Starling City is full of superheroes at the end of the season (by which I assume they mean Roy, Laurel and maybe Ray), what is the point of Oliver? Even more, what is the point of the O/D/F Team Arrow? I think they said that Tommy doesn't see Oliver. This is true. I've always wondered that. I assume Ray must leave Starling City at the end of the season but I don't see the point of oliver with both Laurel and Roy there. Also although none of us really know Thea's arch. assuming she won't be on Merlyn side forever and she got training, won't she also be a pseudo-superhero (don't really know, but this is what most people assume) Edited October 11, 2014 by ban1o Link to comment
statsgirl October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 Good point. If Malcolm Merlyn joins Oliver's side against Ra's, then we can add Thea and Malcolm to the superhero group. Link to comment
ban1o October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 (edited) I don't think Oliver will ever actually team up with Merlyn though. But I guess that's a logical conclusion... the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Edited October 11, 2014 by ban1o 1 Link to comment
JenMcSnark October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 (edited) I think the thing that SA said about the "growing number of superheroes in Starling/Central cities affects Oliver's end place this season" means that Oliver won't have to always be the Arrow (meaning he can take some time off and have a "normal life") because there are other people also out there saving the city. It reminds me of when Faith came to town on Buffy and everyone thought Buffy could go to college and have a normal life because Faith would protect Sunnydale. Or even the end of the series (spoiler for Buffy) when all of the potentials turned into actual slayers. I hope this is it, because my first, cynical thought upon reading that is Oliver's "end place" will be with one of the growing number of superheros...and we all know which one. Edited October 11, 2014 by JenMcSnark Link to comment
apinknightmare October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 I think they said that Tommy doesn't see Oliver. Oh, okay. Maybe "meet up" wasn't the right word to use. Link to comment
statsgirl October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 Right now, I'm guessing that Amanda Waller puts Oliver high on a rooftop and orders him to kill someone, and when Oliver looks, it turns out to be Tommy. 1 Link to comment
catrox14 October 11, 2014 Share October 11, 2014 The way Sara said "What are you doing here?" was casual. She didn't seem afraid of whoever shot her. If it's Thea/Malcolm, why would they go mask-free? Why would whoever shot her go mask-free? I know it's crazy but I'm going with it being Nyssa. Link to comment
JenMcSnark October 12, 2014 Share October 12, 2014 I need to rewatch, but I thought that she seemed negatively startled for lack of better words. She didn't seem afraid, but she didn't seem welcoming either. If it was Nyssa, unless they have had a falling out we don't know about, I think she'd be happier to see her. Link to comment
catrox14 October 12, 2014 Share October 12, 2014 I need to rewatch, but I thought that she seemed negatively startled for lack of better words. She didn't seem afraid, but she didn't seem welcoming either. If it was Nyssa, unless they have had a falling out we don't know about, I think she'd be happier to see her. Oh I agree she wasn't happy but she also didn't seem afraid. If she and Nyssa had a falling out I think her reaction made sense. Link to comment
KirkB October 12, 2014 Share October 12, 2014 (edited) Given the way Nyssa broke down screaming and crying when Sara poisoned herself in Heir, even if they had a falling out, a real "I hate you and never want to see you again" breakup, I have a hard time imagining Nyssa could bring herself to put three arrows in Sara like that. Edited October 12, 2014 by KirkB Link to comment
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