S12.E03: I Choose You

[windsprints]

Wouldn't Amelia, Callie and Maggie get higher salaries because they are specialized? The departments that they head up (same with Arizona and Alex) all required further fellowship training beyond residency. Meredith went from residency to attending. I guess I just thought a cardio/neuro/ortho/peds surgeon's skills would command a higher price because there's less surgeons with those skills.

 

Re: Meredith drinking at home - if she's drinking when Amelia is home there will be a sober person to handle an emergency with the kids if necessary. Amelia doesn't drink. I keep forgetting this but I just saw a clip and she was drinking juice from one of the kids' cups and then I recalled she's sober.

Edited October 12, 2015 by windsprints

[Chicken Wing]

Wouldn't Amelia, Callie and Maggie get higher salaries because they are specialized? The departments that they head up (same with Arizona and Alex) all required further fellowship training beyond residency. Meredith went from residency to attending. I guess I just thought a cardio/neuro/ortho/peds surgeon's skills would command a higher price because there's less surgeons with those skills.

 

That is exactly what I was thinking for that whole (boring) storyline: Why was it so surprising that Meredith's salary is less than Callie's or Maggie's or Amelia's were even when they first started their head-of-department jobs? Meredith's department is general surgery. By definition her salary would be lower than the head of a surgical specialty. Specialists always make more. But I guess the number Meredith was initially offered was so unusually low that even Callie and Maggie, who most likely know about such things, had a reaction to it.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Chicken Wing

[timimouse]

That is exactly what I was thinking for that whole (boring) storyline: Why was it so surprising that Meredith's salary is less than Callie's or Maggie's or Amelia's were even when they first started their head-of-department jobs? Meredith's department is general surgery. By definition her salary would be lower than the head of a surgical specialty. Specialists always make more. But I guess the number Meredith was initially offered was so unusually low that even Callie and Maggie, who most likely know about such things, had a reaction to it.

 

With all due respect, I don't think that's totally right. 

 

"According to Medscape, general surgeons practicing in health care organizations earned the most by practice setting in 2011, an average of $339,000 per year. Those practicing in single-specialty group practices averaged $332,000, and those practicing in multispecialty group practices averaged $324,000."

 

General surgery is a pretty big deal BECAUSE they have to know about everything. As opposed to specialists who focus on only one. Statistically, there are less general surgeons than there are specialists and so they are in higher demand.

[Chicken Wing]

It varies by, well, a dozen variables, but most everything I've ever read has always pointed to specific specialties, most notably orthopedic and neuro, as generally commanding a higher salary than general surgeons. (Yet another reason why it's hard to buy all these people bunking together like they have no money. Get your own place!) Payscale.com, for example, actually lists the median salary for general surgeon at around $249,000. (The discrepancy here may be because "average" and "median" are not the same thing.) Specialists focus on their particular field, but they know the same everything the general surgeon/doctor knows - after all, they all completed the same residency. But the specialists then furthered their training with a post-residency fellowship to also become specialized in one area. That, along with their surgeries being more uncommon or involving higher risk, is why they're typically paid more.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Chicken Wing

[Marni]

I found this chart, it does appear Callie and Maggie would be making much more than Meredith. But hey this is also a world where Arizona can't afford rent on an apartment by herself when earning upwards of 200K as head of a surgical department at a major metropolitan hospital. I'm waiting for Arizona's secret gambling problem to be revealed.

Source

Edited October 12, 2015 by Marni

[Greysaddict]

Chiming in on the kids issue....

 

For me, I don't necessarily want to SEE the kids but they keep putting Meredith (and Callie/Arizona to some extent) in situations where it is glaring obvious that the kids are missing.  I did not mind the girls night in scene with Mer, Maggie, Amelia and Callie one bit.  As its been pointed out by windsprints, Amelia doesn't/can't drink so she would be able to care for the kids if something came up.  At this point she's lived with Zola and Bailey for two years and Ellis her entire life so its not like it would be weird for her to come help them in the middle of the night.  And for all we know Callie brought Sofia over and she's upstairs sleeping with Zola.  I don't care whats happening with the children at that point.  

 

However, what I do mind is the silly carpool scenes.  As the audience all we know is that Meredith uses the daycare at the hospital so having these silly unnecessary scenes minus the kids is what really draws the attention to it.  I get the point of those scenes, but put them in the cafeteria or the attending lounge and I would never think twice about where the kids are throughout the entire episode.  

 

The show is doing enough to "remind" us that Meredith has kids, like with Alex asking which one she would kill in this episode (which I shamefully admit to laughing at) so I am fine with not seeing them.  

 

Interesting stuff on the salaries Marni, thanks for posting!  Those are just Physicians too so I imagine surgeons make even more.   

Edited October 12, 2015 by Greysaddict

[JoannKB]

In the scene with the dying baby, I assume (hope?) that Karev was holding the baby as he died out of compassion, but for a moment it looked like he was smothering it to put him out of his misery. That wasn't what was happening, was it?

[Chicken Wing]

Interesting stuff on the salaries Marni, thanks for posting!  Those are just Physicians too so I imagine surgeons make even more.

 

True. As a pediatric surgeon, Arizona would undoubtedly pull in way more than the $189,000 estimated for a general practice pediatrician. And I've seen median/average salaries for orthopedic surgeons in the $500-700,000 range. Why do these people live like they're broke?

 

In the scene with the dying baby, I assume (hope?) that Karev was holding the baby as he died out of compassion, but for a moment it looked like he was smothering it to put him out of his misery. That wasn't what was happening, was it?

 

I'm sure he was holding little Daniel so he would die in someone's arms instead of lying on the cold, sterile table, but the way he held him (or rather, it, since that was the fakest-looking damn baby I've ever seen) the baby's face was all smushed up against his chest and it looked like he wouldn't be able to breathe lol.

[MV007]

Maybe I missed something over the last couple of seasons.  But can someone tell me why Meredith would be caught by surprise by this contract offer?  Is she not an owner of the hospital?  Or a board member?  Or someone in a position of power?  Isn't she essentially Bailey's boss?  Nevermind that I'm not really sure why she would be concerned with money at all.  She's a millionaire widow of the world's greatest brain surgeon.  She has money.

Edited October 12, 2015 by MV007

[Chicken Wing]

I don't think she's concerned about the money, like she needs it. She read the contract herself and she was perfectly fine with the number provided until everyone pointed out to her that it was too low and she was being gypped. Whether she actually needs the corrected, higher salary or not, it's the principle of the thing. People want to be recognized for what they're worth.

[Greysaddict]

Maybe I missed something over the last couple of seasons.  But can someone tell me why Meredith would be caught by surprise by this contract offer?  Is she not an owner of the hospital?  Or a board member?  Or someone in a position of power?  Isn't she essentially Bailey's boss?  Nevermind that I'm not really sure why she would be concerned with money at all.  She's a millionaire widow of the world's greatest brain surgeon.  She has money.

I commented on the same thing!  No, she doesn't need the money but as a member of the board she should know what every surgeon in that hospital makes (to know that she was low-balled).  Also, wouldn't the board have to approve all salary decisions instead of the chief okaying them?  This is why I wish they would get rid of the damn board.  

 

However, It's possible that she wasn't considering the salary when she read over the contract since she probably has a ton of money from Derek plus the sale of the house. Yes, she bought her house back from Alex but I got the impression when she sold it to Alex that it was below market value, so I will asume he sold it back to her as the same.

 

True. As a pediatric surgeon, Arizona would undoubtedly pull in way more than the $189,000 estimated for a general practice pediatrician. And I've seen median/average salaries for orthopedic surgeons in the $500-700,000 range. Why do these people live like they're broke?

 

To be fair, Arizona is the only one living like she's broke (ie with a roommate).  Amelia living with Meredith and Derek was to help take care of the kids, never about affording a place to live.  I assume the same about Maggie and Amelia also living with Mer this year.  

[Nobodysfan]

I'm sure he was holding little Daniel so he would die in someone's arms instead of lying on the cold, sterile table, but the way he held him (or rather, it, since that was the fakest-looking damn baby I've ever seen) the baby's face was all smushed up against his chest and it looked like he wouldn't be able to breathe lol.

I think the same.

 

I guess not the right director´s choice.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[MV007]

It just makes no sense to me.  Meredith is a board member who hired Bailey.  But Meredith is going to Bailey for contract negotiations?  

[Chicken Wing]

The circle of life.

[Kagomei]

This whole board thing is a mess. I wish they could sell their shares and then just be doctors again. Those people can't barely manage their lives, it's outrageous that they're managing a hospital.

[Nobodysfan]

Greysaddict said:

I'm probably way behind on this...but I just realized Maggie likely has no idea how Meredith and Derek met.  I wonder if they are going to delve more into that with Maggie and Meredith or it will just be that one line.

 

 

Rhimes is obssessed with drunk ONS in a bar- yes,one time,it can lead to a loving marriage with McDreamy (who she killed no matter what),but again - to do the same again just with roles reversed, now it´s Meredith´s sister  - an attending, Deluca - an intern. Or another time drunk ONS in a bar serves as cheating - Owen and a bar slut.

 

I find this such an uncreative mess from the writers with Pierce and Deluca.

I find the whole premise of Maggie attacking Deluca like a sex-crazed desperate woman so disgusting. Also the way she sort of stopped halfway and analysed the kiss then continued, just so so disgusting. With her tilted head and her finger tapping on his cheek, this particular moment  - I felt it was humiliating for Deluca - like he passed some kind of test like a lab rat. Awful.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[Greysaddict]

Greysaddict said:

 

I find this such an uncreative mess from the writers with Pierce and Deluca.

The whole premise of Maggie attacking Deluca like a sex-crazed desperate woman so disgusting. Also the way she sort of stopped halfway and analysed the kiss then continued, just so so disgusting. With her tilted head and her finger tapping on his cheek, this particular moment  - I felt it was humiliating for Deluca.

I probably shouldn't even get into this since already had a bunch of posts deleted, but I promise I am not attacking you personally.  Why do you think a kiss and a one night stand make Maggie a sex crazed desperate woman and why is it disgusting?  Is it because he's younger?  Because she is his superior at work?  I am genuinely curious on your perspective.  

[Nobodysfan]

I probably shouldn't even get into this since already had a bunch of posts deleted, but I promise I am not attacking you personally.  Why do you think a kiss and a one night stand make Maggie a sex crazed desperate woman and why is it disgusting?  Is it because he's younger?  Because she is his superior at work?  I am genuinely curious on your perspective.  

Yes, these docs never have any decency, they all get drunk, sleep around, change partners, superior, inferior, who cares, it makes me vomit.  All of them.

 

I think she sort of attacked him and tested him like a lab rat. I find it disgusting. 

Edited October 12, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[Chicken Wing]

I certainly don't want to jump into any debate or jumpstart any debate, but ... all that stuff is pretty much what this show has been about since the first minute of the first episode.

[Nobodysfan]

I certainly don't want to jump into any debate or jumpstart any debate, but ... all that stuff is pretty much what this show has been about since the first minute of the first episode.

 

True.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[Kagomei]

I certainly don't want to jump into any debate or jumpstart any debate, but ... all that stuff is pretty much what this show has been about since the first minute of the first episode.

Pretty much. It doesn't bother me, though.

When I first started watching this show, back on 2008, I was 13 years old and at that time I was very surprised, I guess, watching how those people were always hooking up with each other, everything was very exciting from my point of view. After all this time they are using the same formula again but it's the main core of the show, so it doesn't bother me at all. I know it's repetitive but television is repetitive and yet we keep watching it.

[Greysaddict]

Pretty much. It doesn't bother me, though.

When I first started watching this show, back on 2008, I was 13 years old and at that time I was very surprised, I guess, watching how those people were always hooking up with each other, everything was very exciting from my point of view. After all this time they are using the same formula again but it's the main core of the show, so it doesn't bother me at all. I know it's repetitive but television is repetitive and yet we keep watching it.

I agree with you Kagomei.   The show is 12 years old!! I don't see this as even close to a recycled or repetitive storyline.  

[PrincessTT]

Maybe I missed something over the last couple of seasons.  But can someone tell me why Meredith would be caught by surprise by this contract offer?  Is she not an owner of the hospital?  Or a board member?  Or someone in a position of power?  Isn't she essentially Bailey's boss?  Nevermind that I'm not really sure why she would be concerned with money at all.  She's a millionaire widow of the world's greatest brain surgeon.  She has money.

 

 

I commented on the same thing!  No, she doesn't need the money but as a member of the board she should know what every surgeon in that hospital makes (to know that she was low-balled).  Also, wouldn't the board have to approve all salary decisions instead of the chief okaying them?  This is why I wish they would get rid of the damn board.  

 

 

It just makes no sense to me.  Meredith is a board member who hired Bailey.  But Meredith is going to Bailey for contract negotiations?  

 

Bailey is on the board as well isn't she? She got Cristina's seat after she left. 

 

So Bailey is a board member as well as the Chief. Surgeon's who are meant to be under the chief are board members so actually out-rank the chief. The whole thing is a mess. Why do they even need a Chief these days? 

[BaseOps]

I certainly don't want to jump into any debate or jumpstart any debate, but ... all that stuff is pretty much what this show has been about since the first minute of the first episode.

 

Ding, ding, ding! 

[KaveDweller]

It just makes no sense to me.  Meredith is a board member who hired Bailey.  But Meredith is going to Bailey for contract negotiations?  

 

Maybe Bailey as Chief of Surgery has a budget that she has discretion to use for salaries?  So Meredith would know the full budget but not necessarily all the specific salaries? Although, you'd think that information would be available to the full board.

[Greysaddict]

So Bailey is a board member as well as the Chief. Surgeon's who are meant to be under the chief are board members so actually out-rank the chief. The whole thing is a mess. Why do they even need a Chief these days?

Well the chief has always had a board seat, webber sat on the board before the whole Grey Sloan thing and Owen sat on the board even when he wasn't part of the takeover.

so technically Bialey being chief just frees up another seat (plus Derek) so really they are down two. But I hope this is never ever mentioned because I just want everything board related to go away.

If you ignore the fact that Bailey's friends and coworkers were the ones who hired her it's actually not unheard of for the chief and the surgeons underneath them to serve on the board together (as described in this shows universe).

[represent]

Well the chief has always had a board seat, webber sat on the board before the whole Grey Sloan thing and Owen sat on the board even when he wasn't part of the takeover.

 

 

When was Owen ever on the board? He addressed the board, but I don't think he ever had a seat on the board.  Like when he had suggestions like the dating policy, he had to take it to the board. As a matter a fact, was Webber on the board when the surgeons took over the hospital? Why don't I remember him sitting in on all their meetings? Was he there? Is he officially a board member?  I don't even remember the board coming up, until the whole plane crash. I remember surgical staff meetings that Webber and the other surgical dept. heads had to attend, not board meetings. The board  runs the entire hospital and that never came up until the plane crash. Before the plane crash we the viewers had no idea who the previous board members were, we never saw them in meetings. 

Cristina- now Bailey

Meredith

Derek

Callie because she was in for Mark

Arizona

Jackson because it was his family's foundation saved the place

 

Initially wasn't this about it in terms of board members?

 

I mean isn't that why Bailey had to run to Cristina and pitch her I forgot what it was she wanted money for, but Cristina told her no and reminded Bailey that she worked for her now. If Webber was on the board then, why didn't she go to him? She had to go to one of the above.

Edited October 12, 2015 by represent

[John M]

Well the chief has always had a board seat

 

I just want to point out that that it is the chief of surgery, not the hospital. Who the fuck runs this hospital? None of the people on the board have any business experience, there is never a mention of a CEO or executive staff.

 

I mean I get it, this is a unrealistic soap opera but come on. 

[PrincessTT]

So Bailey is a board member as well as the Chief. Surgeon's who are meant to be under the chief are board members so actually out-rank the chief. The whole thing is a mess. Why do they even need a Chief these days?

Well the chief has always had a board seat, webber sat on the board before the whole Grey Sloan thing and Owen sat on the board even when he wasn't part of the takeover.

so technically Bialey being chief just frees up another seat (plus Derek) so really they are down two. But I hope this is never ever mentioned because I just want everything board related to go away.

If you ignore the fact that Bailey's friends and coworkers were the ones who hired her it's actually not unheard of for the chief and the surgeons underneath them to serve on the board together (as described in this shows universe).

 

Owen wasn't ever on the board as far as I can tell, there were times when he was called in with the board but there were also times when they had board meetings and he wasn't there.

 

When was Owen ever on the board? He addressed the board, but I don't think he ever had a seat on the board.  Like when he had suggestions like the dating policy, he had to take it to the board. As a matter a fact, was Webber on the board when the surgeons took over the hospital? Why don't I remember him sitting in on all their meetings? Was he there? Is he officially a board member?  I don't even remember the board coming up, until the whole plane crash. I remember surgical staff meetings that Webber and the other surgical dept. heads had to attend, not board meetings. The board  runs the entire hospital and that never came up until the plane crash. Before the plane crash we the viewers had no idea who the previous board members were, we never saw them in meetings. 

Cristina- now Bailey

Meredith

Derek

Callie because she was in for Mark

Arizona

Jackson because it was his family's foundation saved the place

 

Initially wasn't this about it in terms of board members?

 

I mean isn't that why Bailey had to run to Cristina and pitch her I forgot what it was she wanted money for, but Cristina told her no and reminded Bailey that she worked for her now. If Webber was on the board then, why didn't she go to him? She had to go to one of the above.

 

Webber was on the board from the takeover, Meredith came to him for money when they were first doing the takeover and he put some in. 

[aprilbabe]

I just want to point out that that it is the chief of surgery, not the hospital. Who the fuck runs this hospital? None of the people on the board have any business experience, there is never a mention of a CEO or executive staff.

 

I mean I get it, this is a unrealistic soap opera but come on. 

Doesn't Jackson own the hosptial now that the Harper Avery foundation bought it.  The ones in the accident and the Harper Avery foundation bought the entire hospital not just the surgery portion. I remember everyone whinning about about him being in charge because his mom appointed him. He's actually everyone (at least in the surgery departments) boss, including the Cheif of Surgery's. What is his title?

[Greysaddict]

Owen wasn't ever on the board as far as I can tell, there were times when he was called in with the board but there were also times when they had board meetings and he wasn't there.

 

I seem to remember him being at all of the board meetings, but I hated that entire stretch of episodes so I may be wrong.  Also, now that I think about, I think he was acting as Cristina's proxy when she was doing her fellowship in Minnesota so maybe I am confusing that with him being on the board as the Chief.  I do vaguely remember all the past Chief's being involved with the board including Webber, Derek and Owen all before the Grey Sloan 5 bought out the hospital but maybe not as official board members but more as a liaison between the board and the doctors?  I hate everything about the board so I don't have enough energy to go back and watch old episodes to confirm (sorry!).

[Kagomei]

I seem to remember him being at all of the board meetings, but I hated that entire stretch of episodes so I may be wrong.  Also, now that I think about, I think he was acting as Cristina's proxy when she was doing her fellowship in Minnesota so maybe I am confusing that with him being on the board as the Chief.  I do vaguely remember all the past Chief's being involved with the board including Webber, Derek and Owen all before the Grey Sloan 5 bought out the hospital but maybe not as official board members but more as a liaison between the board and the doctors?  I hate everything about the board so I don't have enough energy to go back and watch old episodes to confirm (sorry!).

I remember the same thing, Greysaddict.

And I also hate everything about the board. 

[John M]

Doesn't Jackson own the hosptial now that the Harper Avery foundation bought it.  The ones in the accident and the Harper Avery foundation bought the entire hospital not just the surgery portion. I remember everyone whinning about about him being in charge because his mom appointed him. 

No, the the plane crash victims owns the hospital along with the foundation, and Webber, The Harper Avery foundation has by far the largest share but the rest have significant stakes in the hospital. Jackson is just the representative for the foundation and holds no ownership stake.

 

Actually that has never been fully explained, the plane crash victims hinted at being in for $10m each but they would have set some other money aside, plus Webber put in a paltry amount compared to the others. Then Christina "gave" Alex her shares but never explained what that mean, did she hand over proxy or actually give him her shares which would have been worth millions and millions of dollars so that seems unlikely.

Edited October 13, 2015 by John M

[MV007]

 

Actually that has never been fully explained, the plane crash victims hinted at being in for $10m each but they would have set some other money aside, plus Webber put in a paltry amount compared to the others. Then Christina "gave" Alex her shares but never explained what that mean, did she hand over proxy or actually give him her shares which would have been worth millions and millions of dollars so that seems unlikely.

 

As unlikely as a board member begging her underling for a raise?

[aprilbabe]

No, the the plane crash victims owns the hospital along with the foundation, and Webber, The Harper Avery foundation has by far the largest share but the rest have significant stakes in the hospital. Jackson is just the representative for the foundation and holds no ownership stake.

 

Actually that has never been fully explained, the plane crash victims hinted at being in for $10m each but they would have set some other money aside, plus Webber put in a paltry amount compared to the others. Then Christina "gave" Alex her shares but never explained what that mean, did she hand over proxy or actually give him her shares which would have been worth millions and millions of dollars so that seems unlikely.

But he is their boss is he not. I remember the episode where everyone was harping on him becuase he was now in charge and their boss becuase his momma bought him a hospital. I think Catherines exact word to jackson were " congratulations your momma just bought you a hospital." 

Edited October 13, 2015 by aprilbabe

[Deanie87]

I wish that they would also clarify what the deal is with Alex's shares.  He didn't get the board seat, but if he did get the shares (and we never heard that he didn't), then he should also be a decision maker as a shareholder.  Or at the very least rich and he doesn't seem to be that either considering he likes to live in a sketchy area because its cheap.  I guess he wouldn't be rich if he didn't cash out, though, and he could just be very frugal given his childhood.  

 

Its reasons like this that I hate the board too.  It may be their dumbest storyline decision ever.

[represent]

 

I wish that they would also clarify what the deal is with Alex's shares.  He didn't get the board seat, but if he did get the shares (and we never heard that he didn't), then he should also be a decision maker as a shareholder.

They did, in season eleven the chief I believe was the one with the dialogue that said that he could keep his shares, but the board seat had to have a vote.

 

They just think viewers with brains forgot, what else is new. This happens with all of Shonda's shows, it'll never stop. The little things make the show just a bit better. And you can't put it out there just once and never bring it up again, because a lot of us remember.

 

I don't know, maybe it works "different" for hospitals, but even I, who owns shares in companies get a notice to vote when it comes up. And I say even I, because I'm not  a share holder with millions of dollars worth in shares, please. But because I'm a share holder I have a right to vote. So it's annoying that they can't show that Alex does have some say as a shareholder. Although, I don't think they've had any major board business lately, but the next time they do...

Edited October 13, 2015 by represent

[Ohwell]

I find the whole premise of Maggie attacking Deluca like a sex-crazed desperate woman so disgusting. Also the way she sort of stopped halfway and analysed the kiss then continued, just so so disgusting. With her tilted head and her finger tapping on his cheek, this particular moment  - I felt it was humiliating for Deluca - like he passed some kind of test like a lab rat. Awful.

I found it vomit-inducing, and then there's Owen...

 

Actually, I find that to be a trope in TV and movies that face-sucking is somehow supposed to be hot n' sexy.  Gag.  (Same thing with slamming someone up against a wall or sweeping crap off a table to have sex.) 

[Nobodysfan]

I found it vomit-inducing, and then there's Owen...

 

Actually, I find that to be a trope in TV and movies that face-sucking is somehow supposed to be hot n' sexy.  Gag.  (Same thing with slamming someone up against a wall or sweeping crap off a table to have sex.) 

 

I felt I was a lonely soul feeling this.  I am happy I don´t feel like the odd one out.

 

I  totally agree with you.

 

At that time 508 - if you have seen it, Crowen wall kiss,everybody found it epic (including me), I have my doubts now. It was violent and aggressive A great deal more than Maggie here with Deluca. 

 

There was nothing romantic, hot neither sexy about the way Maggie and Deluca kissed.

Edited October 13, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[windsprints]

I hate the board and its storylines as well. It should be that the shareholders own the hospital but the board makes the decisions to manage the hospital.  I think the Harper Avery Foundation and the plane group are the only shareholders other than Alex. So Alex should have a financial stake from the shares Cristina gave him (why wouldn't she keep them?) but no say in the management of the hospital. There may be issues that are sent to the shareholders for voting, perhaps items that require an investment over a certain dollar amount. I'm not sure that applies to the Grey's world because it seems that almost every share holder is a board member other than Alex. 

After all this time they are using the same formula again but it's the main core of the show, so it doesn't bother me at all.

It doesn't bother me for the most part either, only when something is almost an exact copy. Using the same situation with differing reactions works fine for me. Maggie and DeLuca and very different characters from Meredith & Derek so it won't be a close copy (or shouldn't be).  However.....if DeLuca is in the stairwell saying "you don't get to call me a whore!" in 8 episodes I take that all back.

Edited October 13, 2015 by windsprints

[Kagomei]

I agree, windsprints. Why wouldn't Cristina keep her shares?!

In what world would anyone give up millions of dollars like that? Even if you have money, I don't think anyone would do that. I find it ridiculous, tbh.

[Chas411]

I like Maggie but if I hear or mention her vagina or her sex life one more time I swear to god. This episode worked well for me because there were some cast members missing. It didn't seem as bloated. Also, the new interns are finally being done properly in that they're servicing the storyline of the main characters rather then getting their very own.

 

April needs to shut up with the speeches to Jackson about saving their marriage, the vows they took etc. She opted out, she was the selfish one not him. The very least she owes him is to respect his wishes of being alone for now.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Dear April, "For better or for worse" doesn't give you carte blanche to do whatever you want and then tell your husband that he has to put up with it and pretend that everything is fine.

 

Dear Amelia, when you are running late for your carpool, you don't get to jump into the car and yell, "Shut up!" because the driver is honking for your late naked ass. Either be on time or drive yourself to work.

 

I have no issue with DeLuca not wanting to go into peds. Even before he told Alex why, it's a shitty assumption that his choice means he doesn't like kids. I actually really like that he knows himself and has a specific reason for not wanting to go into that specialty, which is more than a lot of people can say about their life choices. But of course Shonda's oh so subtle foreshadowing means that "I don't want to go into peds" = DeLuca will go into peds. DeLuca and Pierce are continuing the grand tradition of interns hooking up with residents (the timeline still confuses me but she's a resident now, right?).

 

Jo was so annoying. Has she decided that she definitely wants kids and when she will have them and how it will affect her career track? If not then calm the hell down. I understand why Izzy froze her eggs when she had cancer. When my friend was diagnosed with cancer, they wanted to start treatment immediately but they gave him one day to find a sperm bank and make a donation. I don't think that Alex donating his sperm to fertilize Izzy's eggs meant he was ready to have kids. It just meant that he didn't want to completely eliminate the possibility of having kids one day. That doesn't mean that he loved Izzy more or that he doesn't want to have kids with Jo one day.

 

When April came home and Jackson was gone, I was so glad that he figured out how to escape (even though I agree that it's HIS place and he shouldn't be the one who has to leave the apartment). But please don't let this mean she is going to stalk him at work and shout inappropriate things at him at the hospital. Oh wait, it's Grey's Anatomy so that's par for the course.

 

Even though Jackson has enough money to stay at a hotel, I understand wanting to stay with someone he knows. Being in a hotel room alone can be cold and lonely when you're upset, while staying with friends seems more comforting. Even if he doesn't break down crying to them, it's just nice to know there are other people in the next room if you need them.

Edited October 16, 2015 by ElectricBoogaloo

[kingshearte]

Dear April, "For better or for worse" doesn't give you carte blanche to do whatever you want and then tell your husband that he has to put up with it and pretend that everything is fine.

 

I have no issue with DeLuca not wanting to go into peds. Even before he told Alex why, it's a shitty assumption that his choice means he doesn't like kids. I actually really like that he knows himself and has a specific reason for not wanting to go into that specialty, which is more than a lot of people can say about their life choices. But of course Shonda's oh so subtle foreshadowing means that "I don't want to go into peds" = DeLuca will go into peds. DeLuca and Pierce are continuing the grand tradition of interns hooking up with residents (the timeline still confuses me but she's a resident now, right?).

Spot on about April there.

 

And I believe Maggie's an attending (she's head of cardio, so she would have to be beyond residency), as was Derek when he and Meredith first hooked up. Still, though. Grand tradition indeed. If I'm not mistaken, Lexie was an intern when she first got together with Mark (an attending), too. Those Grey/Pierce women do seem to like significant power differentials in their relationships, don't they?

[ElectricBoogaloo]

I believe Maggie's an attending (she's head of cardio, so she would have to be beyond residency), as was Derek when he and Meredith first hooked up.

Ha, you'd think in an episode where they mentioned several times that Callie, Maggie, Arizona, and Amelia are the heads of their departments, I would have at least been able to remember that Maggie is more than just a resident! Thanks for reminding me that Maggie is indeed an attending! There's already a power differential between an intern and a resident but even more so between an intern and an attending or even a department head. I mean, obviously it's not the first time we've seen it (Meredith/Derek, Cristina/Burke, etc) but DeLuca looked like he was getting manhandled at the bar which is what made me uncomfortable.

[Shellie]

I can understand that Jackson doesn't want to go to a hotel, but I don't understand why Ben and Bailey don't have a guest room and their guest has to sleep on the couch.  Between the two of them, you'd figure they gotta be making about a half a million a year.  

[Humbugged]

On 10/9/2015 at 9:11 PM, thewhiteowl said:

 

The sisters of Meredith bore and annoy.

Going back and binging this week off the back of 300 (after dropping off after they had Lexie being eaten by the wildlife) they had Maggie compare herself to Supergirl just as that series was just starting with Chyler playing Supergirl's sister .

Supergirl then returned the favor when made Grey's jokes the next season with Kara accidently calling her future love interest Mark and had him being caught banging someone in a closet and saying he thought it was fine he had watched  show about doctors doing it at work