Rotting Y&R: The Spoiler Thread

[boes]

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Edited November 11, 2016 by boes

[Anna Yolei]

On Friday, November 11, 2016 at 7:20 AM, spinxella said:

I will never understand this insistence that Billy and Victoria "belong" together or the neverending attempts by this show to force them into a coupling.

They have been visual sewage since Billy Miller left. Putrid and unwatchable.

I think this is because it's one of the few pairings that's resonated at all in the last few years. But it was time to end them about three Billys ago. 

ETA: although, I would be curious to see if Villy could withstand MacKenzie returning? Since circumstances beyond their control broke them up and Billy was still pining over her right before he and Vicki got together. Maybe bring g her back while Vikki spends time with Travis. Yeah, I think that might be the only thing to make Villy interesting again. And if Mac is played by an actress that smiles more often than I change the oil in my car, all the better.

Edited November 12, 2016 by Anna Yolei

[TwistedSoul7]

Villy got together when Mackenzie was on the canvas. In fact Mac had just dumped Billy. He was mopey for like 3 seconds and then became infatuated with Victoria. So I don't think it will mean much of anything. 

[Anna Yolei]

40 minutes ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

Villy got together when Mackenzie was on the canvas. In fact Mac had just dumped Billy. He was mopey for like 3 seconds and then became infatuated with Victoria. So I don't think it will mean much of anything. 

Eh. Stranger things have happened. BillyMac would be 100^1000 times more believable than anything involving Phyllis. But my #1 choice would be for Villy to be kaput except for coparenting Johnny and Katie.

[TwistedSoul7]

Well of course anything can happen on a soap. I was more saying she was around when Victoria was around and they didn't stop Villy from kicking it. I don't want Villy to reunite. I would love for her to have a storyline not about romance for a while and focus on work and her kids. Fix her as a character.

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

Well of course anything can happen on a soap. I was more saying she was around when Victoria was around and they didn't stop Villy from kicking it. I don't want Villy to reunite. I would love for her to have a storyline not about romance for a while and focus on work and her kids. Fix her as a character.

Agreed.

[JAYJAY1979]

Im a little bothered that the soon to be headwriter in an interview didnt list Jill as one of the eight important characters.

Hopefully...the future headwriter can end philly...with a unique twist...neither guy gets her.

Is there a unwritten rule that victor had to alwayd win?

[peacheslatour]

13 minutes ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Im a little bothered that the soon to be headwriter in an interview didnt list Jill as one of the eight important characters.

Hopefully...the future headwriter can end philly...with a unique twist...neither guy gets her.

Is there a unwritten rule that victor had to alwayd win?

Yes.

[miamama]

I suspect it's a rule written into EB's contract. And I'm not kidding.

[NinjaPenguins]

I wish someone would just spill the tea about Victor always winning. This has been going on for... I don't even know anymore. Someone behind the scenes needs to give us the deets. Does EB have photographs of TPTB in compromising positions with livestock? Does he somehow acquire a new set of perverted snaps every time a new creative team takes over? 

[ezzylin]

1 hour ago, NinjaPenguins said:

I wish someone would just spill the tea about Victor always winning. This has been going on for... I don't even know anymore. Someone behind the scenes needs to give us the deets.

Tweet Jamey Giddens of "Daytime Confidential" - he might be able to confirm.

[crowsworks]

people were mad when EB took of and pouted about his contract last time. This time I'd bet most people would shrug it off. They underestimated how distasteful the raping Phyllis and having Prick chucked over how comical it was since she probably enjoyed it. Also chuckling over Jack's imminent violent murder. They could show some flashbacks and then kill him off.  

[Anna Yolei]

Which people, exactly?

I was all but busting out the bubbly when I thought we might be rid of TGVN for good. By an order of magnitude, it was easily the best six weeks of MAB's tenure. I'm only sorry TIIC caved to bring him back.

[boes]

1 hour ago, crowsworks said:

people were mad when EB took of and pouted about his contract last time. This time I'd bet most people would shrug it off. They underestimated how distasteful the raping Phyllis and having Prick chucked over how comical it was since she probably enjoyed it. Also chuckling over Jack's imminent violent murder. They could show some flashbacks and then kill him off.  

 

41 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

Which people, exactly?

I was all but busting out the bubbly when I thought we might be rid of TGVN for good. By an order of magnitude, it was easily the best six weeks of MAB's tenure. I'm only sorry TIIC caved to bring him back.

Now that would be good story, finally staking Nosferatu and freeing humanity from Mr. Mumbles.  It would do wonders for Nikki, too.  Let get run Newman, let her tough self finally surface in a good way.

Ah, dreams....

[crowsworks]

And just think of all the young hot guys they could hire with his salary.....

or old hot guys.... I'm ok with that

MEK....yummy

[miamama]

So spoilers have Phyllis and Billy running into each other at a Crimson Lights feed the homeless Thanksgiving thing because they have nowhere else to go (presumably). They discuss their limbo status and Phyllis tells Billy to make amends with Jack. He is alone at the cabin because his sisters cancelled (WTF?) and she's worried about him.

So Billy heads up there with some takeout. JT says Billy arrives with his tail between his legs and hopes to eat and watch football with his brother. I hope Jack kills him. Bashes his head in on the floor where he fucked his wife.

Of course this won't happen but if show doesn't take this opportunity to show Billy truly repentant than this character needs to go.

Regardless I am glad that this is clearly a resolution to the Philly bullshit and all the stalking/attempted flirting on Billy's part. Perhaps the final romcomcom scene we shall see?

Also from today's U.S. it appears Jack has not yet signed the divorce papers...and Billy is all about the soon to be single Victoria. Travis gets down on one knee in the park next week and Billy witnesses it.

Sally is undoing Philly completely. Bless her soul.

[MollyB]

27 minutes ago, miamama said:

Jack... is alone at the cabin

Is this the Cabin of Murder and is the amoire still there?  If so, sweeet.

[miamama]

Just now, MollyB said:

Is this the Cabin of Murder and is the amoire still there?  If so, sweeet.

Yes, murder, adultery, childbirth, conception, drug detox. THAT cabin.

[TwistedSoul7]

I read the articles. There is also a picture of Jack and Abby at the cabin with a fire extinguisher. I don't think the Abbotts bail on Jack. I bet it is the other way around. My feeling is he wants to be alone and they all surround him anyways. I also wouldn't be surprised if Jack is hostile for a bit and Billy leaves. Probably how he sees Travis and Victoria and then he will go back to the cabin where the healing can begin.

Phyllis and Billy getting closure scenes were needed. Funny yet appropriate they are still all about Jack since he was really the source of their affair anyways. Still they needed to put a button on them in that sense and I am glad they are. No more wondering if they might. He finally picked his brother. 

Jack signed the divorce papers. We saw him and Phyllis do it together but I wouldn't be surprised if Jack hasn't filed them yet. That is definitely something he would do. He is having second thoughts and I can still him keeping that a secret for a good long while until he is ready to admit things to himself. 

[miamama]

1 minute ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

I read the articles. There is also a picture of Jack and Abby at the cabin with a fire extinguisher. I don't think the Abbotts bail on Jack. I bet it is the other way around. My feeling is he wants to be alone and they all surround him anyways. I also wouldn't be surprised if Jack is hostile for a bit and Billy leaves. Probably how he sees Travis and Victoria and then he will go back to the cabin where the healing can begin.

Phyllis and Billy getting closure scenes were needed. Funny yet appropriate they are still all about Jack since he was really the source of their affair anyways. Still they needed to put a button on them in that sense and I am glad they are. No more wondering if they might. He finally picked his brother. 

Jack signed the divorce papers. We saw him and Phyllis do it together but I wouldn't be surprised if Jack hasn't filed them yet. That is definitely something he would do. He is having second thoughts and I can still him keeping that a secret for a good long while until he is ready to admit things to himself. 

Right!! We DID see him sign them. True. But they showed a close up of her signature and his not yet signed on some document. Retcon from two weeks ago?? lol.

Wouldnt put it past my soul sister Sally. ;)

[TwistedSoul7]

I recall Jack handing the divorce papers to Phyllis to get his assistant to file and she slammed them down on the desk. Maybe it was all for show and after Phyllis left he took the files back and the reveal is that he never signed them. Dun dun dunnnnn. 

[miamama]

4 minutes ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

I recall Jack handing the divorce papers to Phyllis to get his assistant to file and she slammed them down on the desk. Maybe it was all for show and after Phyllis left he took the files back and the reveal is that he never signed them. Dun dun dunnnnn. 

Lol. It's all quite unnecessary since he could have simply never had his lawyer file them. But hey I'm for every retcon, rewrite, rejig that kills Philly.

[NinjaPenguins]

Buttbiscuit feeding the homeless? I believe this is called "trying too hard." 

I hope Jack stuffs him in the armoire.

[boes]

7 minutes ago, NinjaPenguins said:

Buttbiscuit feeding the homeless? I believe this is called "trying too hard." 

I hope Jack stuffs him in the armoire.

Now if ButtBiscuit was being FED to the homeless ala carte like in one of Mrs. Lovett's terrible meat pies, maybe I could buy it.  Or buy one.

Then again there's sweep
If you want it cheap
And you like it dark
Try the Butt Biscuit, peak of his career

That looks pretty rank
Well, he drank, it's a Biscuit
Butt, never really sold
Maybe it was old
Have you any Beadle?

(apologies to Mr. Sondheim)

 

Edited November 17, 2016 by boes

[HeatLifer]

3 hours ago, miamama said:

Phyllis tells Billy to make amends with Jack.

Why is it so difficult for this show to have Billy reach this conclusion on his own? Stop making the character so much of a sociopathic idiot that he doesn't understand what he needs to do as a human in this situation. Phyllis should never in a BILLION years be more important than Jack. She's not worth jack shit. Jack should be free of her too, but I digress.

[miamama]

Just now, HeatLifer said:

Why is it so difficult for this show to have Billy reach this conclusion on his own? Stop making the character so much of a sociopathic idiot that he doesn't understand what he needs to do as a human in this situation. Phyllis should never in a BILLION years be more important than Jack. She's not worth jack shit. Jack should be free of her too, but I digress.

Right? He's apparently all "Jack will never forgive me" but FFS you are an ADULT. It isn't about YOU. It's about having the decency to stand up like a man and face the pain you caused and truly say sorry. Whether he forgives you or not is up to him. The apology is for JACK.

I really hope the writing changes for Billy under Sally because wow what a complete load of crap it has been since JT came aboard.

[HeatLifer]

11 minutes ago, miamama said:

Right? He's apparently all "Jack will never forgive me" but FFS you are an ADULT. It isn't about YOU. It's about having the decency to stand up like a man and face the pain you caused and truly say sorry. Whether he forgives you or not is up to him. The apology is for JACK.

I really hope the writing changes for Billy under Sally because wow what a complete load of crap it has been since JT came aboard.

Yup. It's not about Jack accepting it. It's about Billy truly being apologetic and devastated. This show wants me to believe Billy doesn't care or understand how much he hurt Jack by screwing his WIFE. It makes my brain hurt.

I know we differ on JT, but the writing is why I can't fully judge him here as an actor. I don't think any actor could make this character work. 

[miamama]

3 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I know we differ on JT, but the writing is why I can't fully judge him here as an actor. I don't think any actor could make this character work. 

I agree that no actor could make this work. It's crap. I just additionally don't like JT and feel the actor was shoved into a role for which he shouldn't even have been considered thanks to JFP. The combination is ugh.

But mediocre actors can work; they do all the time on soaps. This is a writing fail.

Billy cannot be smug and sarcastic at the Abbott cabin of love and death. The writing has to make it clear that his relationship to Jack trumps Phyllis and whatever the fuck he thinks he felt for her.

Anything less won't wash.

[Tippi]

Oh, come now miamama.  I'm sure JT will give us another master class...in something.

[miamama]

I have said it before I will say it again, Jason Thompson is stupid. He needs to stop with the connection between Philly. He clearly doesn't understand the history of Billy and Jack and someone needs to fill him in. But this crap about Thanksgiving being about "giving" and so that's his motivation (that and Phyllis telling him because they are sooo honest with each other.) AND Billy wanting to hang with Jack. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? You FUCKED his wife. HOW CAN YOU EXPECT anything to EVER be normal again? Phyllis "ripped HIS heart out?" And both Phyllis and Billy don't know where they stand with each other????? Phyllis knows. 

OMG SHUT UP.

FFS JT needs to go away yesterday or at the very least STOP DOING INTERVIEWS. Learn the fucking character history if you can't imagine how a brother would feel being betrayed like this. Idiot.

[NinjaPenguins]

Phyllis being the one to encourage Billy to make peace with Jack? #fail

JT discussing Billy's honesty with, like, anyone? #nope

JT giving Philly stans hope? #trollingmasterclass

Phyllis honestly told Billy to fuck off. And wait until Jack finds out Buttbiscuit only hauled his pancaked posterior up to the cabin because his bed buddy told him to. JT should probably rethink his interview strategy, because he's made Billy come off as insincere and smarmy in his pursuit of family peace. 

Philly is dead, man. It's not pining for the fjords or waiting for a magical kiss from a necromancer to awaken its rotting husk like it's Victor. It's Hammertoes dead (too soon, Nick?). Biscuit of Butt might not know where he stands because it's hard to get your location with your head up your ass, but Phyllis has left Phillystan behind and burned her passport.

Hey, maybe Jack and Billy will have a food fight and give us a family comcom.

[boes]

I, for one, am glad Billy is going to see Jack at the cabin.

There's so much land, so much forest around the cabin that it will be easy peasy for Jack to bury the body.  And from what I hear, ButtBiscuits decompose so quickly that in a matter of days he'll be nothing but a soggy mush of misshapen hopes and turgid dreams - with a topping of bear turd.

Edited November 18, 2016 by boes

[miamama]

He's just so dumb. "Billy's had his heart ripped out and it's worse when it's by someone you love."

Huh? The metaphor of heart refers to LOVE. You can ONLY have your heart ripped out if you gave it, which means....

I can't even.

[pearlite]

3 minutes ago, miamama said:

He's just so dumb. "Billy's had his heart ripped out and it's worse when it's by someone you love."

Huh? The metaphor of heart refers to LOVE. You can ONLY have your heart ripped out if you gave it, which means....

I can't even.

The script is dumb. The abrupt turnaround is dumb. And, sorry, folks, JT, aside from being a completely crap actor, is dumb.

At this point, the character's gone from one version of unbearable [hothothot] to another [jeezimnotthatbad, see?], and JT isn't handling either with any skill. His line-readings are way off the mark, as you, mm, have pointed out. And he has no innate sense of syntax--he can mess up the grammar in a line like nobody's business. You may notice, if you notice such things, that the other actors don't screw this stuff up...and can pronounce words over two syllables, and words in the odd other language...foh gras, anyone?

[miamama]

4 minutes ago, pearlite said:

The script is dumb. The abrupt turnaround is dumb. And, sorry, folks, JT, aside from being a completely crap actor, is dumb.

At this point, the character's gone from one version of unbearable [hothothot] to another [jeezimnotthatbad, see?], and JT isn't handling either with any skill. His line-readings are way off the mark, as you, mm, have pointed out. And he has no innate sense of syntax--he can mess up the grammar in a line like nobody's business. You may notice, if you notice such things, that the other actors don't screw this stuff up...and can pronounce words over two syllables, and words in the odd other language...foh gras, anyone?

Yup. I just can't respect this guy on any level. Cant wait until he's out of Jack's story so I can FF him forever.

[HeatLifer]

Ignore JT. He always, always thinks his character is the victim.

Although.... this IS how they write Billy, so it's not like he pulled that POV out of his ass. Billy just doesn't understand why Jack can't get over his problems for a nice turkey dinner! It's only a "somewhat unforgiveable" act.

As for Philly, that IS how they write Billy in terms of Phyllis. She broke his heart! He was so in love and now he has to deal with the pain! He's the wronged party!

JT is just repeating what we already know about Billy. My hope is Sally changes all this.

[Anna Yolei]

Billy's idiocy and lack of self-awareness is pissing me off more than the actual affair. As a B&B fan, the family bonking an in-law thing is nothing new, but you never saw Brooke blame Bridget for being an idiot for marrying Deacon and later Nick as an excuse for her behaviour, as one example. I can't believe ButtBiscuit has reduced me to citing Brooke as a positive example of...well, anything.

[peacheslatour]

Which the fuck is it, Show? Billy gets his heart bwoken 'cause he lurves Phillys sooo much or he's flipping out about Travis cheating on Victoria because she is his one twue lurve? Jesus, pick one. 

[HeatLifer]

11 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Which the fuck is it, Show? Billy gets his heart bwoken 'cause he lurves Phillys sooo much or he's flipping out about Travis cheating on Victoria because she is his one twue lurve? Jesus, pick one. 

It's the latter. JT hasn't gotten Sally's memo yet.

[MollyB]

On 11/17/2016 at 8:45 AM, TwistedSoul7 said:

We saw him and Phyllis do it together but I wouldn't be surprised if Jack hasn't filed them yet.

On 11/17/2016 at 8:51 AM, miamama said:

We DID see him sign them. True. But they showed a close up of her signature and his not yet signed on some document.

On 11/17/2016 at 8:55 AM, TwistedSoul7 said:

I recall Jack handing the divorce papers to Phyllis to get his assistant to file and she slammed them down on the desk.

Warning:  Legal Rant on Horizon

I gave this tutorial before, so I will be brief. 

• One (hereafter known as divorcer) 'files' for divorce with court, with or without a lawyer, but not with the party one is divorcing.  The filing is a petition to the Court, personified by the Judge, to reverse the marriage.  (Divorce, annulment, ruling of invalid marriage.)
• The spouse of the divorcer is then notified by the court to answer the petition on a court date set when the petition of divorcer was filed.
• The Judge grants a divorce-or not-at the court hearing and HE/SHE signs the paper to make the divorce legal. (Jack can't take a paper that says "yes, I divorce you", give it to Phylis to sign and have his divorce legal.  And he can't file that paper with the court.) [this despite Victurd doing variations of this all the time to victims his children married or his own unfortunate wives.  Ain't legal, no sir.]
• Any other papers or releases or deals regarding money, assets, children are hashed out with lawyers present (and hopefully the only ones in the meeting talking) and presented at the hearing.  Before the divorce is granted.

Don't make me get up on my high horse again, Show.  Misinformation is the scourge of tv viewers.

[miamama]

2 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

Ignore JT. He always, always thinks his character is the victim.

 

Okay, this is useful information. ugh. Still off-putting but I shall hereafter ignore his "insights."

1 hour ago, HeatLifer said:

It's the latter. JT hasn't gotten Sally's memo yet.

Right. I'm reasonably sure he gave those quotes before Sally's interview aired. If indeed he is the ass-kisser you say he is (and I see this in other things he says) he won't be selling Philly love after it's clear his new boss hates the affair and publicly stated they should never have "been in love."

That said, show shoots six weeks ahead (or so) and how he's interpreting Billy's RAGE at Travis cheating if indeed Billy is only sad about Phyllis is beyond me.

47 minutes ago, MollyB said:

Warning:  Legal Rant on Horizon

 

I love your legal input, Molly. LOVE IT.

Edited November 18, 2016 by miamama

[peacheslatour]

How can Chelzzzz sit there with a straight face and pretend to Nick that baby is his? She's just as bad as Sharon.

[HeatLifer]

35 minutes ago, miamama said:

won't be selling Philly love after it's clear his new boss hates the affair and publicly stated they should never have "been in love."

I'd be shocked if he did. There would be no point. It doesn't matter what his opinion is, though. It won't mean anything. All that matters is what's in the script. 

I think it's obvious Philly is over, though, or JT/GT/Mal/someone would have replied to the Philly fans on Twitter.

[miamama]

3 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I'd be shocked if he did. There would be no point. It doesn't matter what his opinion is, though. It won't mean anything. All that matters is what's in the script. 

I think it's obvious Philly is over, though, or JT/GT/Mal/someone would have replied to the Philly fans on Twitter.

It truly doesn't matter what he thinks. And yes they're over. But I'm really struggling with Billy and his motivations, and I fear JT and his stupid insights will bleed into show (ie the sarcasm and smug spitting style with Jack). It's so gross to me that Billy would go see Jack to apologize while still lusting after his wife and nursing a broken heart over her. After fucking her in that VERY cabin no less. I wanted to see Jack smash that cabin to pieces. Sigh.

I really can't take any more of asshole Billy. I just can't.

[peacheslatour]

So Travis proposed to Victoria. Well, time for Billyboy to take him for a hot little ride and leave him for dead. And Gabe Bingham won't be there to save this one. Bye MR, it's been fun.

[HeatLifer]

2 hours ago, miamama said:

It truly doesn't matter what he thinks. And yes they're over. But I'm really struggling with Billy and his motivations, and I fear JT and his stupid insights will bleed into show (ie the sarcasm and smug spitting style with Jack). It's so gross to me that Billy would go see Jack to apologize while still lusting after his wife and nursing a broken heart over her. After fucking her in that VERY cabin no less. I wanted to see Jack smash that cabin to pieces. Sigh.

I really can't take any more of asshole Billy. I just can't.

It's not JT, though. It's STILL the show. Previews in today's Canadian epi have Philly smiling at each other/making eyes at each other from across the room. Jack also imagines them about to screw in front of him at the cabin. The fact is, the writing is continuing to tease them. They need to give it closure and officially close the door. I don't know when Sally finally ends it? In December?

Edited November 18, 2016 by HeatLifer

[Big Blue Plate]

Who's scripts are airing at present?

[TwistedSoul7]

Pratt's scripts air until December 6.

[miamama]

1 hour ago, HeatLifer said:

It's not JT, though. It's STILL the show. Previews in today's Canadian epi have Philly smiling at each other/making eyes at each other from across the room. Jack also imagines them about to screw in front of him at the cabin. The fact is, the writing is continuing to tease them. They need to give it closure and officially close the door. I don't know when Sally finally ends it? In December?

Her first show airs Dec. 7. 

Mal teased Philly in the sweeps preview so yes show is still pushing it, I get it. But JT had been taping Sally's material for weeks. 

Im hoping the scenes in the preview of Philly meeting will finally lead to closure. But I don't truly expect finality until SSM material airs.

I love that Sally wanted to shut Philly down in her interview - even knowing Mal wants it teased for another week or so.

[HeatLifer]

26 minutes ago, miamama said:

I love that Sally wanted to shut Philly down in her interview - even knowing Mal wants it teased for another week or so.

Heh. I know. It still amazes me that this show was fine with sacrificing Jack for Philly sex scenes. December can't come soon enough.