The Awards and Nominations Thread

[Athena]

A news/media thread to discuss Outlander and awards including nominations, speculations, etc.

 

As this is a neutral thread, hold off on any book or substantial show talk. Thank you.

[GHScorpiosRule]

An, almost, half hour interview with Sam by an LA Times entertainment reporter via Skype. Haven't listened to it all so don't know if there are any specific spoilers for S2.

 

Emmy Contenders Chat: Sam Heughan of 'Outlander'

 

 

That SMILE! Those Dimples! And I think I've said it before, but I just loooove the way Sam says "books." Sounds like "buiks" or verra Scots-like.

 

And yeah, Sam pretty much said that "they haven't gotten there yet" with respect to

Jamie's aging

, so I'm not worrit.

[Keeta]

Vulture.com (of New York Magazine) is doing their 2015 TV awards this week, and so far Outlander has been nominated for two: Best Villain and Best New Show, Drama. (They're publishing a few categories per day this week, so they haven't gotten to all the awards yet.) 

 

One they haven't gotten to yet is Best Couple. Which, if Jamie and Claire don't win, then wtf are we doing here?? lol

 

http://www.vulture.com/2015/06/vulture-tv-awards-2015.html 

[cypfan]

Outlander et al receiving so much attention on the web, not only on fan sites but also  entertainment business sites is already a big "win" for all involved with the show.

The show's publicity department is doing overtime and an excellent job.imho

Does anyone know what reels were submitted for Emmy consideration?

[chocolatetruffle]

I did see a preliminary list somewhere of submissions they were planning to submit for the writing, directing and other production awards.  I'll try to find it and if I do I'll add a link.

 

I found it!  I think it's interesting that they submitted Ransom for Anna Foerster rather than the Wedding.

 

http://www.outlandertvnews.com/2015/06/starzs-outlander-submissions-for-emmy-awards-nominations/

Edited June 24, 2015 by chocolatetruffle

[cypfan]

Thank you for the link chocolatetruffle. 

 

Maybe the uniqueness of the Ransom subject had something to do with Anne F. submitting it to the Emmy committee.

 

I wonder how the Emmy nominating committee  will react to the Ransom. I know they will enjoy it but will they be too reserved to vote for a man on man rape episode?? After all, some formal recognition may pique the interest of other writers/producers.

 

Fingers crossed for some more industry recognition.

[chocolatetruffle]

Another push for Sam H. as a Best Actor Nominee from TVLine.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/emmy-screening-room-outlanders-sam-032129150.html

Edited June 25, 2015 by chocolatetruffle

[GHScorpiosRule]

Another push for Sam H. as a Best Actor Nominee form TVLine.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/emmy-screening-room-outlanders-sam-032129150.html

 

 

Ooh! That's a still from "The Reckoning"! 

 

"Ye're tearrring my guts out, Clairrre."

 

What?

[Summer]

I wonder how the Emmy voters will feel about Ransom, too.  It seems like they shy away from topics that are very controversial.  I remember the year Brokeback Mountain was nominated for several Academy Awards yet only came away with wins for Best Director, screenplay and score no acting awards were given and I think it was due to the subject of the film, the voters played it safe.  

 

Awards are not always giving to the most deserving and I'm worried that Sam is given so much attention that he will be so disappointed if he doesn't win or worse that he's not even nominated.  When Mickey Rourke was nominated for an Oscar for Best Actor he pretty much won every single award leading up the Oscars and then didn't win that award.  Same thing happened last year with Michael Keaton, he was pretty much a shoo-in for his role in the movie Birdman and he didn't win the Oscar either.  I know the Oscars and Emmy's are different, but these things sometimes are more political than talent based.  

Edited June 25, 2015 by Summer

[chocolatetruffle]

I would think that most actors would feel very good about all the positive press recognizing the quality of their work.  Whether or not an award nomination results would likely just be icing on the cake.  Sam's been doing this for quite a while now so I'm sure he appreciates how rarely this kind of media attention happens, and is grateful that his work is being recognized.

[GHScorpiosRule]

I would think that most actors would feel very good about all the positive press recognizing the quality of their work.  Whether or not an award nomination results would likely just be icing on the cake.  Sam's been doing this for quite a while now so I'm sure he appreciates how rarely this kind of media attention happens, and is grateful that his work is being recognized.

 

Yeah. In all the interviews I've seen of him thus far, whenever "Emmy" is brought up, he's not like "Yeah! I want that Emmy! I deserve that Emmy!" He's more like, it's the work that he loved doing. To be able to "go there" and he's proud of the work he's done. And like you said, chocolatetruffle, an Emmy would be icing on the cake for him. I don't think, or I didn't get the sense he's vying for it, like some others do.

 

And he's thankful that the fans of the books are happy with his portrayal, not to mention that he wanted to do the controversial stuff, justice, if that makes sense.

Edited June 25, 2015 by GHScorpiosRule

[methodwriter85]

I really am going to feel horrible for Sam Heughan if he doesn't get the Emmy nod.

[Nidratime]

Apparently, Caitriona won an award.

 

Outlander TV News ‏@OutlanderTVNews 7h7 hours ago

CONGRATS TO @caitrionambalfe!  She won Best Actress in a Television Series for @Outlander_Starz at @SaturnAwards1!

 

 

The Saturn Awards celebrates the best in science-fiction, fantasy and horror movies and TV shows!

[cypfan]

Beware ,,,,,The serendipity of award shows. 

[chocolatetruffle]

The Emmy ballots are out.  I'm bringing over this link from the Compuserv forum that has them listed for all the separate categories.  The performer list is huge (over 300 pages), but all the central actors are on it, including Lotte Verbeek and Graham McT.

 

http://forums.compuserve.com/discussions/Books_and_Writers_Community/Diana_Gabaldon/Emmys_for_Outlander/ws-books/84142.17?redirCnt=1&nav=messages

 

ETA:  Caitriona Balfe won the Saturn Award for Best Actress in a TV show.  The eligibility period ended February 15, so this was for her work in the first half of season 1.

 

http://www.outlandertvnews.com/2015/06/outlanders-caitriona-balfe-won-a-saturn-award/

Edited June 27, 2015 by chocolatetruffle

[GHScorpiosRule]

FYI...

 

Emmy Nominations will be announced on July 16.

Edited July 7, 2015 by GHScorpiosRule

[Petunia846]

So....nothing? I checked writing and costumes and stuff even. Didn't see a thing.

[nodorothyparker]

Bear McCreary got a nod for musical score.  Other than that, nada.

[Petunia846]

Well that's nice, and deserved. Oh well to everything else.

[GHScorpiosRule]

That's very disappointing yet, not surprising. And frankly, if Sam deserved an Emmy, it's for this season; such amazing body of work.  But at least, if we're to believe him, he got to do the kind of work that is an actor's dream, and he's got a lot of stalkers fans. I'm not worried that one day, he will get that Emmy.

[chocolatetruffle]

Not surprising at all, especially since the Academy tends to nominate the same series over and over ('ahem' Modern Family).  What is surprising is that Black Sails got two nods: sound editing and visual effects.

 

However, hearty congratulations to Bear McCreary for extraordinary work all season!

[onthebrink03]

I wish I could say I'm surprised but I'm not.  These types of shows rarely get recognized and often nominations go to the "same ole, same ole"  each and every year.  I mean I was a huge Downton Abbey fan but, IMO, It's well past the day when it deserved a nod.  And Homeland got back on track last year but, again IMO, there were many more shows that surpassed it in writing, directing and acting.  One of those shows was Outlander.  There are so many stellar talents on this show that deserve recognition and I fear it's going to be a long time coming, if ever.  

 

Congrats to Bear McCreary for his nomination.  Well deserved for his extraordinary work on the show.  Too bad the talents of others, in acting, writing, directing, costume design etc. were not as fortunate to have their contributions rewarded with a nod.

Edited July 16, 2015 by onthebrink03

[Dust Bunny]

ITA with all you guys. I was hopeful but not surprised. There seems to be a lack of consistency with the Emmys. They'll nominate the same shows every year, regardless of quality, and then they'll nominate something out of the blue. I'm sure there's politics involved with some of it. Outlander kind of reminds me of Lord of the Rings: a genre show that (1) isn't on the academy's radar screen, (2) isn't valued/respected as more typical genres, and (3, kinda unique to TV vs movie) isn't as trendy according to their metrics (such as Orange is the New Black or Transparent, though both are good shows). It took LOTR time and money to break through those barriers. I could see Outlander being similar to that. It just sucks that its first season has such strong Jamie moments. Verra happy for Bear, though.

I think of all the 4 biggies (Oscars, Emmys, Grammys, Tonys), the Emmys always prove the most disappointing. At least Tatiana Maslany was recognized for Orphan Black.

Edited July 16, 2015 by Dust Bunny

[nodorothyparker]

I never take awards very seriously for these very reasons.  They often have very little to do with what I enjoy or honestly think was the "best."

 

I mean, if Jon Hamm finally gets his Emmy now that he's  no longer competing against Bryan Cranston, good for him and I mean that sincerely, but it will feel more like recognition for seven seasons of work than anything particularly extraordinary this past year.  Mad Men despite having a few good moments here and there this final season was damn tired, but the critics love it so there you go.  Multiple nominations.  I actually really enjoyed the first season of Better Call Saul, which seems to be the only newbie to have gotten any real recognition, but I can't sit here and say that I truly believe it to be that much better than Outlander rather than thinking it probably benefited a lot from its Breaking Bad pedigree with the same network and a lot of the same people in the running and starring of it.  

Edited July 16, 2015 by nodorothyparker

[Nidratime]

Grace of Monaco got nominated for Outstanding Television Movie, folks. So, enough said!

[tcay]

Truly surprised that Outlander got snubbed on costumes. I didn't expect any acting awards, but the costumes are not at all the same old for a period drama.

[chocolatetruffle]

...  I actually really enjoyed the first season of Better Call Saul, which seems to be the only newbie to have gotten any real recognition, but I can't sit here and say that I truly believe it to be that much better than Outlander rather than thinking it probably benefited a lot from its Breaking Bad pedigree with the same network and a lot of the same people in the running and starring of it.  

 

I wondered why in the heck this series got nominated.  This explains so much....

[nodorothyparker]

Better Call Saul is a prequel of sorts to Breaking Bad set in the same universe with the same creator, same producers and directors, and many of the same writers.  Both the lead and a very prominent secondary character (both nominated by the way) were supporting players on Breaking Bad.  So the show came with both a ready made and extremely loyal fanbase and critics who already loved and were familiar with what they'd be seeing.  I like the show a lot, but I honestly would have been surprised had the show not done very well both critically and ratings wise.  It's also on a network that's built up a pretty good track record for prestige drama.

 

Outlander, in contrast, stars actors mostly previously unknown to American audiences, is run by a guy famous largely for sci-fi, and is on a network that up to the last year or so had built its reputation for original programming mostly on the equal opportunity nudity and violence on all the various incarnations of Spartacus. None of this of course says anything about which show is actually better, but if you're going to honor one new show for the year, I can see why the industry people who make these decisions probably saw Better Call Saul as their choice.

[cypfan]

Wouldn't it be helpful and interesting for the Emmys to have a Best New Shows category of a 

Shows to Watch.  This would help broadcasters promote their best show and let viewers see what is new and available.   

 

Perhaps a named panel of critics could choose the shows to be recognized.  There would be no winner.  Just a recognition of potential.

 

Watching these "pat yourself on the back " award shows are often dull because the same peeps are nominated.  I say once you win you cannot be nominated in the same roll for at least one season. 

 

Okay,,,,no one asked me. 

[Nidratime]

Look at this lady. It took 3 years before she got a nomination (let alone the guy from Mad Men).

 

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jarettwieselman/tatiana-maslany-finally-got-an-emmy-nomination?utm_term=.xeY7v7j2G#.epALP5pyG

[WatchrTina]

Well this is a very nice article about the shows that were overlooked in today's Emmy nominations.  And Outlander is mentioned repeatedly.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/emmys-snubs-walking-dead-outlander-justified-124192415500.html

[WatchrTina]

This just in from George R. R. Martin regarding the Emmy nominations:

 

 

And OUTLANDER, how in the world did they overlook OUTLANDER, with its music and its costumes and its cinematography and the incredible performances of its three leads (especially Tobias Menzies in his double role)?

 

Here's the post.  http://grrm.livejournal.com/434896.html

 

Pssst, George.  Bear McCreary did get a nomination for his music.

Edited July 18, 2015 by WatchrTina

[AD55]

To paraphrase a line in A League of Her Own, for me awards shows are like high fast balls -- I can't take them seriously and I can't lay off them. They're like top 10 lists -- irresistible and fun to argue about but ultimately meaningless. The important caveat is that they do raise the profile of a show.

 

I take the point of the writer who said that voters can't watch everything, but the nominations do always strike me as extremely lazy. The same actors and shows are nominated each year, even if they have begun to run out of steam. Similarly, shows that should have been recognized in the first year or two are only honored after the quality has started to diminish. As someone said up thread, the nominations are sometimes retroactive. I still love Game of Thrones, but I think the earlier seasons when they were ignored were actually better. If Outlander stays around long enough, it will probably get nominations but they may be for seasons that aren't nearly as good as the first.

 

I am thrilled for Tatiana Maslany.

 

 

[WatchrTina]

 

[Award shows are] like top 10 lists -- irresistible and fun to argue about but ultimately meaningless. The important caveat is that they do raise the profile of a show.

And sometimes being overlooked can raised the profile of the show.  Lots of writers are saying that the grand-mal hissy fit on the internet that followed the snubbing of Tatiana Maslany for the first two seasons of Orphan Black actually did the show a world of good (though it still has a very small following.)  I'm hoping all the "What about Outlander?" comments we're seeing will do the same for our show.

Edited July 19, 2015 by WatchrTina

[Nidratime]

This isn't an award to Outlander, per se, but it is an award to a podcast based on Outlander that I know some of you listen to:

 

The Parsec Awards @parsecawards

Best Speculative Fiction Fan or News Podcast (Specific) - The Scot and the Sassenach by Lani Diane Rich and Alastair Stephens

 

[Nidratime]

Here's Sam accepting his Radio Times trophy.

 

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x35g5sa_sam-radio-times_fun

[WatchrTina]

Voting is now live for The People's Choice Awards and Outlander, Sam and Caitriona have all received nominations.  If you have a few minutes to spare, please cast some votes for our team.  (You can vote as often as you like and, unlike some other competitions, this website won't drive you into a state of rage with dodgy captcha codes.) I'll include all three links below but if you begin with the first link and then click on the "Next Category" box after you get the "Thanks for Voting" message it will take you right to the spot to vote for Sam and Cait.

 

http://vote.peopleschoice.com/#!/home/all/77/2

http://vote.peopleschoice.com/#!/home/all/44/2

http://vote.peopleschoice.com/#!/home/all/45/2

Edited November 7, 2015 by WatchrTina

[Nidratime]

Outlander received five nominations for the Women's Image Network Awards, which will be given out in February 2016, but I can't find the entire list of nominees.

 

The nominations for Outlander include one for the episode, Garrison Commander, one for Balfe in that episode. One for the writing and direction of The Wedding by Anne Kenney and Anna Foerster and one for the writing of The Devil's Mark by Toni Graphia.

 

Here's an article about it. The Outlander folks are stoked.

 

Caitriona Balfe and Outlander among nominees for Women's Image Network Awards 2015
http://www.scotlandnow.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/caitriona-balfe-outlander-among-nominees-6854233

 

ETA: Here are the nominations. have to scroll down:

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?cid=25d3351372bb78ba&id=documents&resid=25D3351372BB78BA!1330&app=Word&authkey=!AJwwOQtf6btVcuo&

Edited November 19, 2015 by Nidratime

[WatchrTina]

So . . . if I were in the mood to do some online voting this rainy Thanksgiving Day (in the USA) I really should should spend my time voting for the show, Sam and Caitriona for the People's Choice awards at the links I posted above. Yeah, that's what I should do. That award gets a fair amount of press. It would be good for the show. It might help them land the Golden Globe and Emmy nominations that they so richly deserve. So yeah, that what I ought to do.

But there's this pesky contest over on the RadioTimes.com website (yes ANOTHER one.) Sam won their last contest, first winning as favorite actor in a SciF/Fantasy TV show and then going on to beat Ricky Gervais as the overall champion in a contest in which MILLIONS of votes were cast. And he did all that while starring in a TV show that isn't even broadcast in the UK -- it's only shown on a streaming service there.

So. Now RadioTimes.com is doing a similar contest only this time it's the shows that are in competition, not actors. Outlander trounced its competitor in the SciFi/Fantasy bracket in the round of 32 and the round of 16 without hardly breaking a sweat (99% of the votes cast and 98% of the votes cast respectively.) But now, ladies and gentlemen, a challenger has appeared. The show is call "Dominion." Don't ask me -- I've never heard of it. But somebody loves it because they are turning out and they are voting. When I went to bed Outlander was winning with 68% of the votes. That lead shrank by several points overnight. The votes are climbing rapidly as I type this (the votes being cast in this one pairing are exponentially higher than votes casts in all the other contests combined.) Yep, we got us a horserace.

So . . . in between watching the balloons in the Thanksgiving Day parade and helping yourself to a second piece of pumpkin pie (or "just a sliver" of the pecan) please click on the link below and give the show the few dozen votes. Gotta let those other fandoms know who they are dealing with. Tulach Ard!

http://www.radiotimes.com/scifishowchampion

Oh, and when you are done with that don't forget to stop by the Peoples Choice Award links I posted above and give all three of our candidates some love there as well. It's not as satisfying (you can't see the votes accumulating) but we need to make sure they win.

ETA: Outlander beat Dominion. Now it's up against the show, Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, which I watched and enjoyed but no way did that show inspire the kind of fandom that could give Outlander a run for its money (currently we have 96% of the votes.) So I'd say it's safe for anyone who was inclined to do some online voting this weekend to stay focused on the People's Choice awards.

Edited November 28, 2015 by WatchrTina

[WatchrTina]

So . . . if anyone is paying attention . . . Outlander handily beat it's competitor in the round of 8 in the RadioTimes contest and is now matched up against "Once Upon a Time" in the round of 4.  Which sucks for me because I really like "Once".  And I like Colin O'Donoghue (Captain Hook) for being such a good sport and playing along with the Twitter banter when he and Sam went head-to-head in the EW actor popularity poll earlier this year.

 

Still, I love Outlander best, so that's who I'll vote for (link is above if you care to join me), but here's what I will do to feel better about it.  I still go to the People's Choice Award website to cast a few votes for Team Outlander from time-to-time (see links above).  Once Upon A Time competes in a different category than Outlander in that contest (Favorite Network Fantasy/SciFi Show, which is the category that comes immediately before Outlander's category of Favorite CableTV Fantasy/SciFi show.)  So, when I go to cast my votes in the three Outlander categories and then reset the screen to vote again by clicking on a category at the bottom of the screen, I'll be clicking on the category for "Once Upon a Time" and voting for them too.  Four categories in a row is just as easy to cycle through as three categories so why not?

 

PS:  I went and did a bit of reading about the history of the People's Choice Awards. It was born long before the internet and used to be based on Gallup polls.  I can't help but think that that approach yielded a much more representative sample of what the "People" think than allowing people (like me) to stuff the ballot box for their favorite shows and actors via unlimited online voting.

Edited November 29, 2015 by WatchrTina

[Nidratime]

A lot of speculation about Outlander in this L.A. Times article:

 

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/la-en-gold-standard-golden-globe-contenders-20151124-story.html

[WatchrTina]

Whoo Hoo!  Outlander got 3 nominations for Golden Globes:

• Best Drama!
• Best Actress in a Drama (Caitriona)!
• Best Supporting Actor in a Drama (Tobias)!

 

Here's the complete list:  http://www.goldenglobes.com/sites/default/files/2016_golden_globe_nominations_press_release.pdf

 

No nomination for Sam and that makes me very sad.  But he shares in the overall nomination for the show because he IS Jamie Fraser.  There would have been no best drama nomination without the strength (and wit and pathos) of Sam's performance.

Edited December 10, 2015 by WatchrTina

[Laurie]

Yay Outlander!! 

 

Finally some recognition that didn't involve fans voting thousands of times.

 

I'm a little stunned and saddened by no nomination for Sam though...considering what he did in Episodes 15 & 16.

 

But I also wonder if he campaigns for these things a little too much.

[Nidratime]

I personally think Tobias' role was much more showy and so more easily recognized, and of course, he portrayed it excellently. Sam's role, on the other hand, was a little bit more "buried" in the first half of the season, up until we got to the wedding episode. Hopefully, with more seasons of the show, Sam will get his day as his character remains front and center.

[tennisgurl]

I am really happy to see the show getting some love, but seriously, NOTHING for Sam? What does the poor guy have to do to get some awards attention?

 

Oh well, the Best Drama is a win for everyone! 

[Keeta]

I am really (pleasantly!) surprised! Leading up to this, and after being basically shut out of the Emmys, I couldn't help feeling like any speculation of nominations for Outlander was just because of some PR relationship (like all of E!'s coverage seems to be) and the rabidness of the fans. Shows what I know!  

[sinkwriter]

 

I personally think Tobias' role was much more showy and so more easily recognized, and of course, he portrayed it excellently. Sam's role, on the other hand, was a little bit more "buried" in the first half of the season, up until we got to the wedding episode.

 

I just rewatched the pilot episode tonight and I think you're right about Tobias's role being showier, especially because he actually played two roles and they were pretty much night and day (the kind, intelligent, reserved Frank versus the vile, horrible, extraordinarily violent Black Jack) so he got to show more of what he could do, range-wise. Sam's role didn't get truly heavy-duty until the final few episodes. 

 

I do wish Sam had at least gotten a nomination, though. I think his work in those two final episodes was emotionally, gut-wrenchingly powerful. Not many men could reach the bottom of that well to get there. They'd overplay it. But Sam pulled me right into that room with him, and it was terrifying. So good that it's really, really tough for me to watch. I don't know that I can re-visit those episodes.

Edited December 11, 2015 by sinkwriter

[WatchrTina]

I find this EW story on the Golden Globes nominations confusing.

 

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/10/golden-globes-nominations-snubs?hootPostID=af10a030461cff8128e852b092d1d722

 

It begins:

 

 

This year’s Golden Globes nominations were even more shocking and snub-filled than usual.  Outlander nominated for best drama?

 

WTF is that supposed to mean?  Are they shocked or gratified?  Later it goes on to say:

 

And then there is Outlander, Starz’ romantic time-travel fantasy that has an avid fan base but has critically rested deeply in Thrones’ shadow. Not only did Outlander get a series nod, but stars Tobias Menzies and Caitriona Balfe were also nominated (sorry Sam Heughan). In fact, since Outlander got three nominations and Thrones was “only” nominated for best drama, you could say that … Outlander beat Game of Thrones, which is truly a shocker.

 

Okay, I'm going to choose to interpret this not as a slam against Outlander but surprise that it was recognized more than Game of Thrones.  I can live with that.  I love both shows.

 

I do think it is interesting that when there are stories about Outlander, its "avid fan base" frequently gets a mention.  The industry knows about us!  Whoo Hoo!  I get rather a kick out of that.  I know that situation can swing both ways -- some critics hate to applaud shows that have popular appeal or (worse yet) a "cult following" -- but somehow Outlander has leapt over that barrier with these three nominations.  I, for one, am delighted.

Edited December 13, 2015 by WatchrTina

[GHScorpiosRule]

And why wasna Sam nominated?!!!! Hmm? I expected better from the Globes. *mphf*

[WatchrTina]

Okay so Outlander won the Fantasy/SciFi category of the latest RadioTimes.com poll (and did it with one hand tied behind its back since we obsessive voters were actually focused on the People's Choice Awards during that time frame.)

 

Now it's time to win the RadioTimes TV Show Champion poll.  Here's the link.  You know what to do.

 

http://www.radiotimes.com/tvshowchampion

Edited December 16, 2015 by WatchrTina