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Ceeg
Ceeg

I AM LAUGHING SO HARD OH MY GOD

pennben
pennben

Helen still thinks it is too soon to take out Amanda.

Callaphera
Callaphera

Julia to Liz about Austin: "I really hope you're more loyal to me than him." and "I can't trust him. He disgusts me. I'm not going to be nice to him. I can't fake it."   I think I love Julia.

ByaNose

ByaNose

Yeah, a crapshoot is exactly that, a crapshoot. I also agree being last doesn't nessasarly give you an advantage. This could be a nail biter and could change the game or be status quo. The jury house is gonna become a sority house with Shelli, Jackie, Becky & Meg. They also don't really have any problems with each other so I'm sure they are having a ball without the men......well maybe, Shelli. LOL!!!!

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ennui

ennui

So I guess the ball comp is the first HOH tonight because they just drew numbers. James is going last. I'm shocked I tell you. Shocked!

 

TPTB are trying their hardest to hand James an HOH. It started with the race, then they had the hanging rope comp, and now they're just leaving it to chance. 

I would have guessed TPTB want Johnny Mac to win. Isn't he the fan favorite?

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Katesus7

Katesus7

Holy shit! Is it just me, or did the Austwins make a huge mistake with the vote? I mean, James was 100% going after Vanessa. Johnny Mac is 100% going after them. And keeping James would keep him as a target for Vanessa. Do they not get this, or do they just think that Johnny Mac will have much less of a chance to win any HOH?? I truly thought they had the game on lock for at least another week.

Y'all, I was so sure that John was gone, that I decided I was just going to go all in on Vanessa. Well, I don't have to do that yet! John for HOH! Please god just not an Austwin, please.

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Lady Calypso

Lady Calypso

Urg. There's no hope. I love Steve and I love John, but they should have taken the other risk. Liz would have still won, though, so what does it matter? 

 

Now my ideal scenario is John winning HOH, putting up Liz and Austin and hopefully Liz goes, or maybe Austin. But that's not going to happen. Well, if Vanessa wins, it would be kind of funny to see what she does. But no, I can't risk that.

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Callaphera

Callaphera

Because I can't have anything nice with this show, I'm gonna make my prediction now: Austin will win HoH. The afternoon makeout sessions in the HoH bed will continue. He'll nominate Johnny Mac and Steve. Veto will be won by a twin. Yawn. (I never get what I want, so maybe some reverse psychology will work this time.)

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Laika

Laika

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Holy shit! Is it just me, or did the Austwins make a huge mistake with the vote?

 

They absolutely did, I think. Steve just said the same thing to Vanessa. That it was an awful game decision for Austwins to keep Johnny. Let's hope it pays off with a JMac win tonight.

 

I know a majority of the BB audience is pissed off tonight, but I'm pleased. My little nerdy alliance of Vanessa/JMac/Steve is still alive.

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Brian Cronin

Brian Cronin

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There's no "right" way to win Big Brother, but boy, dominating every HoH competition has to be one of the most boring ways to do it. 

 

This reminds me of last year, in that I can't even compliment or knock Vanessa's gameplay because she just hasn't had to do anything, since they're constantly in power, just like Derrick last year. I always thought Derrick would be a great game player, but he never had to prove it. That's the way it has been for weeks now. 

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Ceeg

Ceeg

I know a majority of the BB audience is pissed off tonight, but I'm pleased. My little nerdy alliance of Vanessa/JMac/Steve is still alive.

LOL I'm right there with you. Steve/John/Vanessa with a Julia substitute is my ideal F3.

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pennben

pennben

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It's hard to explain, but this week is more interesting to me without James there, I think James would have been the new Meg, if you will, as to who was safe to nominate if he were still there.  Now there will be nowhere to hide.

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Newbietunes

Newbietunes

This reminds me of last year, in that I can't even compliment or knock Vanessa's gameplay because she just hasn't had to do anything, since they're constantly in power, just like Derrick last year. I always thought Derrick would be a great game player, but he never had to prove it. That's the way it has been for weeks now.

 

 

 

Except Derrick never had to talk his way off the block, and Vanessa did.  That's a not insignificant difference.

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Eolivet

Eolivet

I can't even compliment or knock Vanessa's gameplay because she just hasn't had to do anything, since they're constantly in power, just like Derrick last year. I always thought Derrick would be a great game player, but he never had to prove it. That's the way it has been for weeks now.

 

I have to respectfully disagree with the comparisons, because from the descriptions here, Vanessa has had to do much, much more than Derrick ever did to keep herself in the house. Derrick had a vague group of people vaguely gunning for his side of the house, but I can count the number of times he was brought up as a target on one hand. His alliance kept power, sure, but in the few times they didn't, he never really had to worry about his name being thrown out for a nomination or a backdoor target (or at least I never saw it).

 

Yes, Vanessa has been in an alliance that has had power, but even in the times she wasn't, she was able to save herself. She talked Austin out of nominating her (something I never saw Derrick do), she won veto when she was in serious danger of being backdoored, she formed an alliance with a guy who said on national television "I want to get Vanessa out, I'm coming after her."

 

This is why I feel like the show doesn't know what to do with her. Her personality seems hideous, she cries a lot, been hypocritical about game deals, made and broke her word dozens of times, but all I know is she helped to convert card-carrying members of the I Hate Johnny Mac Club a week ago into votes to keep John and evict people who wouldn't have been coming after them if they got in power. That's insane. It's not Dan's Funeral, but it seems like I'm reading about Vanessa's Almost-Funeral every week. Making a deal with Frank and getting Ian to keep working with him after that was seriously impressive. But I mean, Vanessa has converted the President of the I Hate Vanessa Club into a legitimate more-than-one-week alliance (lasted two evictions at this point). Who does that?!

 

Yes, her social game is as terrible as that of Russell Hantz. But I think of how Russell Hantz was crafted as a character on Survivor, and look at how Vanessa is crafted, and look at the response to Russell from the viewership and look at the response to Vanessa, and two words come to mind: gender politics.

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Lady Calypso

Lady Calypso

If Steve, John, or Vanessa win HOH, they're putting up Liz and Julia. This week gon' be good.

 

Ok, that is NOT my ideal noms. If Austin wins, he takes down Liz and Julia goes. No, it HAS to be Austin/Liz or Austin/Julia. Either way, Austin has to be up on the block, or things get screwed up. My god, guys, get it together and think about it! 

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Ceeg

Ceeg

Ok, that is NOT my ideal noms. If Austin wins, he takes down Liz and Julia goes. No, it HAS to be Austin/Liz or Austin/Julia. Either way, Austin has to be up on the block, or things get screwed up. My god, guys, get it together and think about it! 

Nah, Austin will throw that veto. He doesn't want to save Liz, because he knows it will only go so far until it harms his personal game.  Austin won't win that veto.

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Maverick

Maverick

I wish I had the feeds so I could cancel them.  I've taken it off the DVR.  Hopefully that will be counted in someone's stats.

 

For a season with such a promising start, this one flamed out big time an is going to whimper across the finish line in a boring, predictable manner just like last year.

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mooses

mooses

There's no "right" way to win Big Brother, but boy, dominating every HoH competition has to be one of the most boring ways to do it.

This reminds me of last year, in that I can't even compliment or knock Vanessa's gameplay because she just hasn't had to do anything, since they're constantly in power, just like Derrick last year. I always thought Derrick would be a great game player, but he never had to prove it. That's the way it has been for weeks now.

Derrick had Team America or whatever stupid twist that was, which formed an automatic alliance. Who knows what would have happened if he wasn't aligned with Frankie and Donnie by America (thanks a lot, you guys!).

Steve talking shit about the twins like he's actually done anything in this game that Vanessa didn't tell him to do first.

Steve will be unbearable if he touches Final 2.

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robertorv

robertorv

Im among a very, veeeery Small group of people rooting for the twins. I should be happy with the results of tonights DE ... but Im not! They made two big mistakes (Liz winning HoH over JUlia and voting out James over Jmac) that I think has put them in big trouble. Outside of a miracle Julia HOH win ... my best hope is for a twin to win POV and then have Austin get voted out!

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Silo

Silo

Yes, Vanessa has been in an alliance that has had power, but even in the times she wasn't, she was able to save herself. She talked Austin out of nominating her...she helped to convert card-carrying members of the I Hate Johnny Mac Club a week ago into votes to keep John and evict people who wouldn't have been coming after them if they got in power. That's insane...it seems like I'm reading about Vanessa's Almost-Funeral every week [but] Vanessa has converted the President of the I Hate Vanessa Club into a legitimate more-than-one-week alliance (lasted two evictions at this point). Who does that?!

THIS.

And it's not even counting all her machinations before Clelli was voted out. Vanessa single-handedly took out every member this season except Jace.

Anyone viewer who is like, yes, but Vanessa did X which was also good for Y's game too...just NO. That's what Vanessa wants us ALL to believe. Seems like she can mist HG's as well as the viewing audience.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see if she can win this. If she makes if to F2, and it's looking like she will, I'm wondering how she's going to sway the jury into voting for her.

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Katesus7

Katesus7

I'm perfectly happy to admit that Vanessa has worked her ass off in this game, and has made a lot of good game moves. I will also continue to say that Vanessa would have been gone when Becky won HOH if Becky didn't put up Shelli and James didn't decide to evict Shelli, something he wanted to do his HOH. Vanessa is not misting me. I see her just fine.

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Katesus7

Katesus7

They just called Liz into the DR, which means the comp is about to start. As none of these dumbass things last less than two hours, I can not stay up to wait. I will just hope for John to win so an Austwin goes home.

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Silo

Silo

I will also continue to say that Vanessa would have been gone when Becky won HOH if Becky didn't put up Shelli and James didn't decide to evict Shelli, something he wanted to do his HOH. Vanessa is not misting me. I see her just fine.

Oh you mean that time where Vanessa was the only person ever to talk herself out of a backdoor nomination? Lol. MIST.

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Cutty

Cutty

Oh you mean that time where Vanessa was the only person ever to talk herself out of a backdoor nomination? Lol. MIST.

Zach did last season.

I agree with Katesus. Vanessa didn't talk herself off so much as Becky screwed up with noms. James, Jackie, Meg had basically flipped before Vanessa even started campaigning.

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Katesus7

Katesus7

Oh you mean that time where Vanessa was the only person ever to talk herself out of a backdoor nomination? Lol. MIST.

No, I mean the time when Vanessa was crying in bed and bitching about her alliance not supporting her, when James told Meg and Jackie they needed to boot Shelli. Before they even spoke to Vanessa.

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Eolivet

Eolivet

I will also continue to say that Vanessa would have been gone when Becky won HOH if Becky didn't put up Shelli and James didn't decide to evict Shelli, something he wanted to do his HOH.

 

I truly don't understand that reasoning, because Austin would've been gone if Vanessa had just backdoored him like she planned, and yet he is getting credit for a masterful social game and good comp record. Wouldn't that be just luck since he, too, was saved by other player's dumb decisions?

 

Battle of the block ending three weeks earlier than it did last season. Surviving a certain eviction when Shelli talked herself out the door. Talking Austin out of nominating her. Winning veto when she was about to be backdoored. Making an alliance with her worst enemy in the house. Convincing her alliance members to take out two of their secondary allies. Convincing Liz that it was OK to put her twin sister on the block and not making a mortal enemy out of her afterward.

 

But it all means nothing because she's only there due to other player's bad decisions? That's an awful lot of evidence to put down to the equivalent of "clown shoe" happenstance.

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Silo

Silo

But it all means nothing because she's only there due to other player's bad decisions? That's an awful lot of evidence to put down to the equivalent of "clown shoe" happenstance.

And that time when Vanessa lied to Steve and told him that Jackie was gunning for him when really Jackie was gunning for Vanessa and Vanessa knew it? And then one ceremony later, Jackie was out the door. And when she took Austin out of being backdoored and then put up some VERY BULLSHIT reason to nominate Jeff. And then that other time when she put up Jason when she had promised to put up someone else and everyone was pissed but for she managed to stay in the house anyway?

I think Vanessa is so good at what she does that it seems situations magically happen in her favor when really she's pulling all the strings. She's so good at puppeteering that the moves by other people that are always in her favor seem organic and natural.

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Katesus7

Katesus7

Man, I wish nothing more than Becky and Clay not sucking ass at that BOB and Austin getting backdoored. What a different game this would have been. Although who knows, maybe it would've sucked. But I'm not someone who is giving Austin credit for anything. I hate him more than Vanessa (sometimes, I have a HUGE love/hate relationship with Vanessa). I think both of them have played good games, but have made mistakes, and both easily could have been gone, and could be gone shortly.

I need to go to sleep, but this HOH means so much (until next week). I just want to see people sucking up to John or Steve for a week. I would enjoy that.

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Turtle

Turtle

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They absolutely did, I think. Steve just said the same thing to Vanessa. That it was an awful game decision for Austwins to keep Johnny. Let's hope it pays off with a JMac win tonight.

I know a majority of the BB audience is pissed off tonight, but I'm pleased. My little nerdy alliance of Vanessa/JMac/Steve is still alive.

I'm not pissed, just annoyed and disappointed because people I don't like "won" this episode. That said, it's arguably better for the V/JMac/S alliance that the week went the way it did, assuming Vanessa really is with them. Meg and James were unpredictable, and that can be really dangerous; either of them swings to Austwins when our faves were counting on them, as they were really likely to do whether or not S/JM saved Meg, and the V/JM/S trio is sunk.

Except Derrick never had to talk his way off the block, and Vanessa did. That's a not insignificant difference.

Two points: first, Derrick talked himself out of ever even being on the block, which I argue is stronger gameplay. Second, Vanessa didn't actually talk herself off the block- James and Meg decided that Shelli was more dangerous for their game all by themselves and so decided to keep Vanessa without Vanessa having to do anything. I'll give her credit for positioning herself really well in this game, because she has, but I'm not at all ready to put her gameplay in the same ballpark as Derrick's. And I didn't even like Derrick.

ETA: I also really need this HoH to end, because I need to go to bed and I'm already maybe a little bit past slightly drunk. If it's endurance, let us watch. If it's not endurance, have it end quickly (like last week's endurance, amirite??). Ridiculous programming decision to have the HoH during BBAD; I don't watch it, but it must be so annoying for those that do to just get replays.

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Cutty

Cutty

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This could go sideways if the Austwin who isn't on the block wins veto and takes one down. Vanessa or JMac would be the replacement with the 2 Austwins controlling the vote.

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