Speculation WITHOUT Spoilers: Lalalalala! I can't hear you!

[KingOfHearts]

I don't think adult Henry is a spoiler, since: A) casting news is not considered to be, and B) he's just speculation based on that news. There's been no hard confirmation that it's him.

One possibility for a spinoff could be one set in the Land Without Magic, and it's Henry trying to protect the world from magical creatures. It would be like the Home Office, but instead of killing magical beings, it would be about either sending them back to their realm or helping them blend into society. I know it sounds exactly like every other fantasy/real world show that's ever been made, and that's because it is. A&E would not shy away from cliches. I'm sure they would include some sort of "twist" to keep it from becoming too procedural, as they hate the mundane. Maybe Henry looks for magical beings to find a way to his family, while helping them get their happy endings along the way.

I don't think is a good idea. It just sounds like something A&E would pitch to the network, then proceed to totally dismantle by the second season if they got one.

Edited March 11, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Camera One]

I wonder if they might try to rip off "Lost" again, and Adult Henry would be in some form of flashforward (the "We have to go baaaaack!!!" moment, maybe in the Season 6 finale).  This would assume they get most of the cast back, at least for guest spots.

[KingOfHearts]

3 minutes ago, Camera One said:

I wonder if they might try to rip off "Lost" again, and Adult Henry would be in some form of flashforward (the "We have to go baaaaack!!!" moment, maybe in the Season 6 finale).  This would assume they get most of the cast back, at least for guest spots.

Honestly, I would prefer they ripped off "Lost" instead of "Angel".

[Camera One]

I'm surprised they haven't pulled the big guns yet.  Season 7 with Star Wars, and absolutely ALL the remaining Disney movies they haven't used yet like The Lion King would surely allow them to squeeze one more season out of this show, and give us a proper finale for all the main characters.

It's not Adult Henry, it's Luke Skywalker.

Edited March 11, 2017 by Camera One

[Camera One]

I can already imagine the promo.  "It's Once Upon a Time's Final Chapter... tune in for the final season and say goodbye to your favorite characters with... Darth Vader!  Han Solo!  Yoda!  Darth Sidius!  The Emperor!  Scar from The Lion King!  Moana!  Zootopia!  Dumbo!  Yoda's Evil Twin!  Claude Frollo!  Governor Radcliffe!  And returning favorites like... Merida!  Dorothy!  Lily!  August!  Cleo!  Jasmine and Aladdin!  Young Regina!  Teenage Regina!  Cora!  And last but not least... The Evil Queen!  Will Regina find love and acceptance?  Will Rumple and Belle fall in love all over again?  We'll finally see their happy endings along with The Aristocats!  The Siamese Cats!  The Fifth Ursula!  The Evil Bird Lady from Mary Poppins!  Lilo and Stitch!  Yzma!  Tarzan!  Princess and The Frog!  The Great Mouse Detective!  Don't forget... Sundays at 8pm, where none of your wishes come true!

Edited March 11, 2017 by Camera One

[Camera One]

I'm really looking forward to tonight.  One thing the Writers always do right is the writing for David, who always gets the best episodes.  I'm not sure if tonight will rival "White Out" and "The Tower".  Though nothing can really beat how in 5B, the Writers ingeniously slotted his subplot with James into an episode which was all about the Mills women.  But you really can't get enough of the Regina, Zelena and Cora combo.  It brings a tear to my eye when I think of "Sisters".  Now THAT is the meaning of love.  And I don't think I've expressed yet on this forum my love for the character of Gideon.  He is just so relatable and has already become my fav.  I mean, the number of times I've wanted to exterminate someone to become a hero.  OMG, it's like they read my mind and they're telling my life story or something.

Edited March 12, 2017 by Camera One

[Curio]

@Camera One, I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not... ;)

[Camera One]

I know not what you mean.  *insert innocent Bambi eyes*

[Curio]

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If anyone is into reading tea leaves and whatnot, Jen has replaced her Emma Swan Twitter icon with a photo of her as just Jen.

Didn't Sean do the same thing with his Twitter account when he found out they were killing Robin? I doubt they're killing Emma off, but maybe we shouldn't be thinking about a Season 7 with Emma in it.

[Souris]

1 hour ago, Curio said:

Didn't Sean do the same thing with his Twitter account when he found out they were killing Robin? I doubt they're killing Emma off, but maybe we shouldn't be thinking about a Season 7 with Emma in it.

If they do kill off Emma, I think they will find their audience smaller than they should wish if they get a S7. Also harder to sell the concept of happy endings. It would be incredibly stupid of them to kill Emma from a marketing perspective -- it would dry up a lot of still-possible residuals like novels, figurines, etc. I hope they send all the characters who aren't coming back off into the sunset for their happy endings.

[daxx]

Emma dying would ruin the rewatch enjoyment as well and damage chances at syndication.

[Souris]

1 hour ago, daxx said:

Emma dying would ruin the rewatch enjoyment as well and damage chances at syndication.

It's too serialized. It's still not in syndication and I doubt it will be.

[Curio]

On 10/19/2016 at 4:43 PM, Curio said:

Yeah, it's obvious the only reason they're backtracking David's feelings about Hook right now is that they want Hook involved with David's father's death in some way. Maybe he wasn't the one who stabbed him, but there's a high possibility he was at that tavern. This is just speculation at this point, but it seems like a foregone conclusion after David seemed so randomly apprehensive about Hook this episode. After the progress David and Hook made in Season 5 and the fact that David admitted he went to the Underworld partially because he grew fond of Hook, this reversion to David's Season 3/4 attitude has to be tied to plot needs, not organic characterization. If Hook wasn't involved in the writers' plan for revealing David's father's death, then we wouldn't be having David making these kinds of random comments. How ironic that when Hook and David are finally friends and Killian moves in with Emma and is one step closer to being an official Charming family member, the full details about David's father's death comes out. It's probably not a matter of if Hook was involved, it's a matter of when the writers want to drop that bomb.

It's incredibly frustrating, though, because I can see the writers treating this like a huge issue that lasts a few episodes, but Regina killed Snow's father and barely got one line of dialogue fallout from it. In fact, Regina was thanked because it somehow made Snow a stronger person full of hope. Here's a classic case of the REC where it would be utterly ridiculous for any other character to react the same way they would around Regina. Charming: "Listen, I know you killed my father, but you were actually the one who made me a better man because I learned to be strong and independent. Want to walk off into the sunset smiling and linking arms now?"

 

From October. Ugh...I'm sorry for always predicting this show, guys.

[Camera One]

Just to calm everyone's nerves, remember we never actually saw David's father die.  He just got a sword wound.  Maybe we will see a continuation...

FOREST.  NIGHT.  

DAVID'S FATHER GROANS.  

PINOCCHIO walks up and sees the injured man.

PINOCCHIO: Please Blue Fairy, help me heal this poor man.

BLUE FAIRY's orb grows and she arrives.

BLUE FAIRY: I am sorry, but I have no healing powers.  But I can grow big and help you carry this man to the nearest village.

BLACK ORB approaches.

BLACK FAIRY: Not if I kill him first!

BLACK FAIRY stabs David's father with a giant wand.  

BLACK FAIRY: Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

[Camera One]

6 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

What if August is really Not!Rumple from the Wish Realm?  Not!Robin came through the magic-wardrobe-portal-that-shouldn't-have-worked.  Maybe Not!Rumple followed soon after they'd left.  It even could have been Not!Rumple masquerading as August in the wish realm after he locked Regina and Not!Robin up - which is why he didn't bother to track them down after they escaped.  

Or, the presence of Wish Robin in Storybrooke is starting to implant false Wish memories into Storybrooke residents.  So it was Wish Hook who killed David's father but not in this timeline.  Did Robin and Hook touch in the last episode?  

I do agree Wish Rumple is still in play and will pop up at some point.  Who knows, maybe Wish Robin agreed to steal some potions to make Wish Rumple corporeal or something.  That's why Wish Robin took awhile before he appeared... he was wheeling and dealing with Wish Rumple.

Edited March 13, 2017 by Camera One

[KingOfHearts]

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I do agree Wish Rumple is still in play and will pop up at some point.

I've wanted Wish Rumple to jump in the fray since 6x10.

[Camera One]

I do think A&E had something vague planned for their final season, and now we might never get it.  The biggest question they haven't answered yet is how was the Dark Curse created, and I think that would have been a half-season arc of flashbacks.  Yes, it would probably be as lame as the backstory for the Dark One, but I still want to see it, damn it!  

[RulerofallIsurvey]

20 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

I've wanted Wish Rumple to jump in the fray since 6x10.

Wish!Rumple would probably kick Real!Rumple's ass.  The former is a lot more angry than the latter.  Can you imagine what an epic battle that would be?

[Camera One]

Next episode, will:
- Snow find out that Charming found out who killed his dad?
- Emma find out that Charming stole his magical potions?
- Emma have a talk with Regina about her mixed feelings about Wish Robin?
- Emma and Henry talk about their canoeing trip?
- Belle and Rumple mention what they were doing during the events of this episode?
- The audience find out what Gideon was doing in this episode?
- Hook go to advice from Archie about withholding the truth from Emma and David about what really happened?
- Regina discover her Random Magical Box #83392 is missing?
- The characters start worrying about Gideon again?
- Charming's dad's ghost be explained?
- Charming get any time to deal with what he learned in this past episode?

Edited March 14, 2017 by Camera One

[PixiePaws1]

1 hour ago, Camera One said:

Next episode, will:

- Charming get any time to deal with what he learned in this past episode?

Omg...haven't laughed so much in ages!

You and your crazy whackjob theories  :o) You know no one gets to reflect or deal with past trauma except Regina....

You are such an optimist..promise you'll never change :o))

[KingOfHearts]

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On another note this is a youtube theory I found about a possible connection between the Dark Realm and Neverland. 

I've thought about a connection too, but there are two major issues. 1) Wouldn't Rumple know? Why wouldn't he mention that? and 2) Neverland had daylight for years before the magic was drained too much.

Spoiler

But then again, Tiger Lily is a pretty big clue.

Edited March 16, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Camera One]

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the Dark Realm and Neverland.

So Mommy was in one and Daddy was in the other.  After six seasons, if anything, Rumple seemed pretty dense.  Maybe Merlin got it wrong and it's not The Dark One but The Dumb One.

Edited March 16, 2017 by Camera One

[Rumsy4]

Could someone summarize the youtube theory? I can't watch it right now. Thanks.

[Camera One]

I haven't watched it so hopefully someone else can.

The "Dark Realm" was a whole new level of vague, so the Writers can make it whatever.  What we know is time moves so slowly there that in 1 day our time, it's 28 years their time.  It's so "dark", yet Gideon wants to be a hero.  I'm going to guess it's a dark forest there.  Speaking of which, how could Gideon remember what Belle told him when he was one minute old?  

Edited March 16, 2017 by Camera One

[KingOfHearts]

58 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Could someone summarize the youtube theory? I can't watch it right now. Thanks.

The theory is that Neverland is located inside the Dark Realm because both are a place where: kidnapped children go, time moves differently, fairies are banished, and Rumple's parents are from. Rumple says that the Black Fairy "lurks in the shadows", which could mean the Shadows from 3A could be there too. 

Edited March 16, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Rumsy4]

Thanks for the summary. I don't see how it can be though. Time is just frozen in Neverland like in the Coradome/original recipe!Dark Curse (minus the memory loss). It seems like the timeline in the Dark Realms is not aligned with the rest of the known lands. Oh my god, it's Narnia, and the Black Fairy is Jadis. Boom.

[KingOfHearts]

1 minute ago, Rumsy4 said:

Thanks for the summary. I don't see how it can be though. Time is just frozen in Neverland like in the Coradome/original recipe!Dark Curse (minus the memory loss). It seems like the timeline in the Dark Realms is not aligned with the rest of the known lands. Oh my god, it's Narnia, and the Black Fairy is Jadis. Boom.

I think the similarities are just a side effect of A&E's repetitious writing, and not a sign of actual correlation. 

[Camera One]

I am imagining being in the marketing department.  It's not easy to write lines for teasers...

Will anyone in Storybrooke start caring about the Gideon threat this week?  Tune in to "Once Upon a Time" Sunday at 8pm to find out. 

They could call a future episode "While You Were Sleeping": Hook broods and ponders what to do while David sleeps.

Edited March 19, 2017 by Camera One

[Camera One]

I wonder if tonight's episode will have been timed to capitalize on the popularity of "Beauty and the Beast".  Let's see... in the Dark Realm, Gideon grew up in a dark castle filled with household objects who had been turned into people by The Dark Fairy...  Gideon is raised by Mrs. Potts and Cogsworth.   One day when Gideon is 18 years old, The Dark Fairy comes home.  At first, they hate each other but Gideon soon takes on the role of Belle, and The Dark Fairy takes on the "Beast".  Their friendship grows as they begin to know each other and The Dark Fairy shows Gideon a library of books, maybe a snowball fight outside, etc.  What a perfectly light and airy episode this could have been, full of fun and magic and innocence.  

Edited March 19, 2017 by Camera One

[KingOfHearts]

I have some great ideas for future episodes!

* Mary Poppins takes Snow back in time to show her how Emma grew up as an orphan. But then she gives her memory tea because it was too painful.
* Hook meets his mother, Davina Jones, aka Calypso, but he has to drink memory rum because her identity is top secret.
* Henry attempts to murder a dwarf for blocking Regina on Facebook, but Regina makes him memory cocoa with cinnamon so he won't go dark.
* Hook and Emma have the most epic wedding of the century, but the Evil Queen poisons their cake. Everyone forgets it ever happened, and they settle for a quiet ceremony at Granny's instead.

[InsertWordHere]

Oooh, I've got one!

• Emma finds out how Graham died. It makes Regina sad, so memory potion time!

Edited March 20, 2017 by InsertWordHere

[Shanna Marie]

The memory tea could explain every retcon in which we find it hard to believe that this was something that always happened. Snow and Charming drank memory tea after the eggnapping, and they didn't remember it at all until the season 3 memory curse was broken and brought back all their memories, which is how they went through the whole pregnancy #2 without thinking about it.

Hook drank memory rum that kept him from remembering killing his father, until becoming the Dark One brought that up again.

Henry's been drinking memory cocoa all along, which is how he now has such a wonderful relationship with Regina, in spite of the way she used to treat him.

Heck, I think there's a memory additive to the town's drinking water. That's why no one remembers that Hook died.

[oncebluethrone]

1 hour ago, Shanna Marie said:

The memory tea could explain every retcon in which we find it hard to believe that this was something that always happened. Snow and Charming drank memory tea after the eggnapping, and they didn't remember it at all until the season 3 memory curse was broken and brought back all their memories, which is how they went through the whole pregnancy #2 without thinking about it.

Hook drank memory rum that kept him from remembering killing his father, until becoming the Dark One brought that up again.

Henry's been drinking memory cocoa all along, which is how he now has such a wonderful relationship with Regina, in spite of the way she used to treat him.

Heck, I think there's a memory additive to the town's drinking water. That's why no one remembers that Hook died.

I think I am going to accept this as truth from now on.

[Camera One]

I usually don't watch promos, but I don't care that much anymore, so I watched.  The Evil Queen looking for Snow White AGAIN?  The Evil Queen flashbacks AGAIN?  The Evil Queen fights Regina AGAIN?  If it's "one last showdown" (which flashed onto the screen), why not have it at the end of 6A?

Only Gideon has the power to turn her into a snake?  Will Gideon and The Evil Queen interact in this one?  Who cares about Page 23?  

[ParadoxLost]

1 hour ago, Camera One said:

Who cares about Page 23?  

Do we think page 23 is the page that reveals that Hook killed David's father?

[KAOS Agent]

Page 23 is Regina's non-existent meeting with Robin in the tavern. It's a page from Isaac's fanfic.

[Camera One]

Now you know why I'm so excited that's the title of the next episode.

[ParadoxLost]

OK, then I don't actually care about page 23.  Haven't since it became clear they would never take the opportunity to explain that Robin Hood's tattoo was to show he followed Richard and it was all a case of mistaken identity.

[KingOfHearts]

21 minutes ago, KAOS Agent said:

Page 23 is Regina's non-existent meeting with Robin in the tavern. It's a page from Isaac's fanfic.

Page 23 originated from a double-length episode, designed to help fill in that extra hour. 

New theory: The Wish Realm actually originated from Isaac's fanfiction, and the illustration is actually Fake!Robin and the Evil Queen.

[Souris]

4 minutes ago, Camera One said:

Surprisingly, they do seem to monitor.  I was reading the audio commentary for "Poor Unfortunate Souls" and the network asked the Writers to add in a scene so people would know Robin was coming back.  That's why they wrote the scene with Regina dreaming about Robin.   Maybe the network people were just as clueless about the actual problems with the show.

Wasn't quite sure where to reply to this, but I wonder if any of the late filming/reshoots/pickups for all the episodes that Adam tweeted would be done in the last weeks of shooting could have anything to do with network "notes" or suggested changes. If so, that would suggest it'll be renewed or at least is still being considered for it, because I doubt ABC would bother with notes if it's not coming back.

Edited March 23, 2017 by Souris

[Camera One]

If we were all network execs, we would be the network execs from hell.  Reshoot the whole thing, Adam.

[Souris]

5 minutes ago, Camera One said:

If we were all network execs, we would be the network execs from hell.  Reshoot the whole thing, Adam.

You're fired, Adam!

[InsertWordHere]

Not enough Charming shoulders, Adam! 

Let Hook take his jacket off, Adam!

[Camera One]

I still have 20 minutes to wait before I can watch tonight's episode.  Continuity thread is lighting up... always a good sign.  The good thing about Evil Queen flashbacks is we'll get to see lots of Bandit Snow, right?  Now is that a good thing or a bad thing.  Surely, no more new retcons?  

[Rumsy4]

10 minutes ago, Camera One said:

The good thing about Evil Queen flashbacks is we'll get to see lots of Bandit Snow, right?

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Spoiler

 

The bad news is....no Bandit Snow.

The good news is...no Snow retcons. :-D

 

 

Edited March 27, 2017 by Rumsy4
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[Curio]

So...that promo for 6x15.

Of course, we finally have a freaking girls night out where Emma, Snow, and Regina have drinks at the Rabbit Hole, and it's because Emma is depressed about ending her engagement with Killian. This truly is the season where the writers take every wish we've ever wanted and tainting those wishes into crap.

Although, on the bright side, Emma doesn't actually say, "I need to move on." The ABC editing monkeys spliced together Emma saying "I need to..." and a separate "...move on" to create one choppy sentence.

[PixiePaws1]

So Emma is trawling through Killian's sea chest...again...and finds Liam's ring. Does she take that as a sign he didn't walk out and not intend to come back..?

Except he did leave it behind when he was intending to leave....

Stupid show...so, so angry...

[Curio]

Also, the fact that Hook's Jolly Roger is still docked in Storybrooke should be a huge ass neon sign that even if he did leave somewhere, he's not gone for long.

[KingOfHearts]

Can't Regina just use the Fate Shears to break Snowing's sleeping curse?

[Camera One]

23 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Can't Regina just use the Fate Shears to break Snowing's sleeping curse?

I want a pair.