General True Crime Shows

[LuvMyShows]

On 5/7/2024 at 11:49 PM, kathyk2 said:

Oxygen has a new show starting on Sunday called Sins of the South. I hope they are new cases and not ones we've seen many times.

Well, don't hold your breath. The first episode was a murder I had seen before, and an upcoming episode is about the Miami hotel heir murdered by Narcy Novak, which we have seen on a million different franchises. 

And ALL the comments I have read about the premiere episode say how unbelievably distracting the fake southern accent is on the narrator, which I would agree with. So I looked up who the narrator is, and it says Abigail Marlowe. There is only one Abigail Marlowe I could find, and she does do a lot of voiceover work, but guess where she is from? Freakin' England!!

[Annber03]

So "Accident, Suicide, or Murder" started its new season tonight, and the case they featured in the latest episode...this one's gonna stick with me a while. It's wild and incredibly sad and disturbing. 

[kathyk2]

On 5/16/2024 at 11:49 AM, LuvMyShows said:

Well, don't hold your breath. The first episode was a murder I had seen before, and an upcoming episode is about the Miami hotel heir murdered by Narcy Novak, which we have seen on a million different franchises. 

And ALL the comments I have read about the premiere episode say how unbelievably distracting the fake southern accent is on the narrator, which I would agree with. So I looked up who the narrator is, and it says Abigail Marlowe. There is only one Abigail Marlowe I could find, and she does do a lot of voiceover work, but guess where she is from? Freakin' England!!

The episode about the couple from Tennessee? I hadn't seen that one before. I will skip the Narcy Novack episode.

[LuvMyShows]

Interesting little tidbit I noticed from the Sins of the South episode about the polo player. When they showed an actual photo of the blood in the mansion's kitchen, the little cafe table chair that had blood on it, was a cheap crap chair with a ratty/tattered/disgusting cushion on it. It made no sense whatsoever that a financially solvent mega millionaire heiress with a sprawling country estate should have furnishings that look like that. Then later in the show they mentioned that she was really stingy with money, and then it all made sense. But really, that is pretty much in pathological cheapness realm, to have that much money and grandeur, and have chairs/cushions that literally would not be accepted by Goodwill!

[LuvMyShows]

OMG more idiot detectives! On the recent Kill or Be Killed, "Killer Cam Girl", the girl was at the police station and had told her story to the detective of what had happened the night before, when her boyfriend had been killed at her apartment. Then, while she was still talking, the police at the crime scene found important audio evidence, which they called up the detective to notify him of in real time, while the girl was still there being questioned. It proved that everything she had said so far was a lie.

So the detective then says to her, "Why don't you really tell us what happened at 4:00 am?" And rather than just leave it at that, so she could undoubtedly implicate herself in another lie with whatever cover story she could quickly come up with, he instead goes on to say something like, "Because we know that xyz..." and goes on to detail all the new information that they had just learned!  

BTW, I was stunned to hear the boyfriend's blood alcohol level in the autopsy. It was something like .385, probably the highest I've ever heard of in someone still upright (he was a long-time alcoholic, and I'm guessing had built up something of a tolerance). I'm surprised that it was never brought up how he would have been completely unable to engage in the protracted strenuous physical fight that the defense alleged, given that Dr. Google says a BAC that high brings on near total loss of motor functions. Even with a tolerance, he would have barely been able to muster a fraction of the supposedly intense and prolonged physical aggression.

[LuvMyShows]

On 5/18/2024 at 9:04 PM, Annber03 said:

So "Accident, Suicide, or Murder" started its new season tonight, and the case they featured in the latest episode...this one's gonna stick with me a while. It's wild and incredibly sad and disturbing. 

Yeah, near the end when they found the two women dead and whoever was talking said they had been glad that the boy hadn't been found with them, because it meant that he might be alive, I was thinking "not a chance". But I was so surprised to hear that even now they don't know what happened to him. What awful women.

[Annber03]

27 minutes ago, LuvMyShows said:

Yeah, near the end when they found the two women dead and whoever was talking said they had been glad that the boy hadn't been found with them, because it meant that he might be alive, I was thinking "not a chance". But I was so surprised to hear that even now they don't know what happened to him. What awful women.

That bit about the dryer sheets. That...that just can't be good. 

But yeah, what a haunting end to that story. That's gotta be keeping those detectives up at night, for sure. 

[LuvMyShows]

Did anyone watch the last two episodes of Accused: Guilty or Innocent, about the boy who was charged with killing his parents while they slept? Curious as to whether people think he was innocent or guilty.

[Jeanne222]

1 minute ago, LuvMyShows said:

Did anyone watch the last two episodes of Accused: Guilty or Innocent, about the boy who was charged with killing his parents while they slept? Curious as to whether people think he was innocent or guilty.

I watched the first one and have recorded but not watched the second.

The brother seems more likely to be the killer.  Police only focused on the son that was home.

I really like this show!

[LuvMyShows]

Hands down, I think Kenda is the best at narrating a true crime show. He's back with season 4 of ID's American Detective.  He draws you into the show with his commentary and always has little nuggets to add, even when the case wasn't his, as is the premise of this show. 

[LuvMyShows]

There's a new show on Oxygen called Deadly Waters with Captain Lee, the guy from Bravo's Below Deck series. In the first episode "Ghost Ship", these two guys want to charter a boat to take them from Florida to Bimini, to meet up with their girlfriends' boat in Bimini. The captain explains to them that it would be way cheaper for them to fly, but they say that their passports got accidentally packed in their girlfriends' suitcases, so they can't fly. Right away serious alarm bells should have gone off for the captain, but it didn't, and sure enough, tragedy befalls the whole crew when the passengers kill them in order to take the boat themselves to Cuba.  But stupidly, and fortunately, the passengers knew nothing about the waters or boating, and ran out of gas. The idiots would have been much better off tying up the crew, and forcing the captain at gunpoint to sail to Cuba, and then killing everyone.

[Vermicious Knid]

New show starting tonight, The Real CSI: Miami. Which I am thinking of as CSI: Forensic Files. Instead of a scripted crime investigation this is a reality show that follows actual cases. 

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In “The Real CSI: Miami,” which premieres Wednesday in a primetime spot on CBS, Anthony Zuiker is depicting actual crimes, told through the eyes of real-life forensic investigators rather than actors. It’s a far cry from the notorious one-liners and “sunglasses moments” on “CSI: Miami.”...

“There’s an authenticity when you have the real victim speaking about the real case, and there’s authenticity when you have the real police footage, the police photos. Anything that’s evidentiary that you can show the audience is really, really cool.

 

I am moderately interested but will probably catch up On Demand. 

[geekgirl921]

Did anyone watch Dark Waters on Saturday night. The husband was telling people his wife was dying of cancer (and amazingly no one asked her about it!) but then he just shot her and threw her overboard. I really want to know what he thought he was doing telling people the cancer story. Was he going to poison her and then changed his mind?

[LuvMyShows]

On 6/26/2024 at 10:55 PM, Vermicious Knid said:

New show starting tonight, The Real CSI: Miami. Which I am thinking of as CSI: Forensic Files. Instead of a scripted crime investigation this is a reality show that follows actual cases. 

I have started watching this, and was sooo frustrated in the first or second episode (can't remember which), when someone traveled from Florida to Maryland, and the Talking Head woman said they went to Silver Springs. Well, the town is Silver Spring (no S at the end), but I thought it was just her mistake, until they showed a graphic of the drive and they misspelled it on the graphic! 

I did like how we got an explanation of something I have wondered about . A different Talking Head woman was saying that someone had been stabbed, and that this one stab came first. I said to myself "How do they know that?" And then she explained how they know that! It's because the earlier stabs are deeper, when the stabber has the most energy. 

Edited July 19 by LuvMyShows

[kathyk2]

The Black Widower on ID was really good tonight. It's a good idea to be suspicious of anyone who wants you to get life insurance soon after you marry.

[LuvMyShows]

I can't remember specifically which show it was (I think it was one of the newer franchises) but something occurred that I have never seen before. A woman had been raped (and a rape kit had been done), and within 24 hours they had a very strong suspect, so they swabbed him. Sure enough her DNA was on his penis. 

[LuvMyShows]

Wow...some great outside-the-box thinking on the part of detectives! On "The Barrel" episode of Kenda's American Detective, a woman disappeared and they suspected her boyfriend of murdering her. Her phone was gone too, and some texts had been sent to people, supposedly from her, but they weren't in her style of writing. So when time passed and they still couldn't find the body, they decided to send a slightly creepy message to him as though it was from her, to hopefully shake him up so he'd go to where he left the body to be sure it was still there, and they were able to clone her phone even without actually having it, so that it would look like the text came from her phone. And it worked!

[andromeda331]

10 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

Wow...some great outside-the-box thinking on the part of detectives! On "The Barrel" episode of Kenda's American Detective, a woman disappeared and they suspected her boyfriend of murdering her. Her phone was gone too, and some texts had been sent to people, supposedly from her, but they weren't in her style of writing. So when time passed and they still couldn't find the body, they decided to send a slightly creepy message to him as though it was from her, to hopefully shake him up so he'd go to where he left the body to be sure it was still there, and they were able to clone her phone even without actually having it, so that it would look like the text came from her phone. And it worked!

I laughed when it worked. You killed her, so you know she's dead right? 

[LuvMyShows]

Attention Vinny and Quinn fans!  (For any who don't know, that's Vince Velasquez and David Quinn from TV One's ATL Homicide. ) They're baaaack...sort of.  There is a new show on the TV One app called Deadly Case Files.  Vinny and Quinn narrate about cases that other detectives worked on, with the detective him/herself popping up occasionally. This is like Kenda's American Detective show. I love me some Vinny and Quinn, but it sort of gets confusing with two narrators and then the actual detective...I found myself just not being able to quite follow along as I should have.

Plus, there was the disappointment that I just have to deal with, at not having Christopher Diaz (young Vinny) and Angelo Diaz (young Quinn) around any more...even though it never ever made sense to have Angelo Diaz play Quinn, because his Quinn is so soft-spoken but the real Quinn is actually more of the loudmouth!

[LuvMyShows]

There is a new show on A&E called Tell Me How I Died. It focuses a bit more on the pathologist's role in helping solve crimes. The first episode was about A.B. Schirmer, the minister who killed both his first wife Jewel (supposed fall down the stairs) and his second wife Betty (supposed car accident). The pathologist in the episode was a hoot...getting very impassioned and even sarcastic in his segments. A.B. had long been having affairs, and basically got away with murdering his first wife, only getting caught once he killed his second wife and it forced a re-look into his first wife's death. I hope he rots in hell, and before that, that his time in jail is everything that the stereotypes say it is. 

[LuvMyShows]

This is why I love Kenda. On American Detective, he starts the episode by explaining that a cop arrived at the station, and he sees a running car that has gone over the curb and is sitting on the grass right in front. So then Kenda says, "All he's trying to do is come to work, and he discovers work has come to him." I just love Kenda's phraseology!

[LuvMyShows]

Really cool show available at no charge with an Amazon Prime membership. It's called Psychic Investigators and is about cases where psychics have helped. It's a bit of an older show, but it's still pretty fascinating...and freaky how they can know the things they know.

[auntjess]

On 7/25/2024 at 1:28 PM, LuvMyShows said:

Attention Vinny and Quinn fans!  (For any who don't know, that's Vince Velasquez and David Quinn from TV One's ATL Homicide. )

That would be me, for one. and I watched, and was really happy to see them.

[LuvMyShows]

On 8/7/2024 at 10:22 PM, auntjess said:

That would be me, for one. and I watched, and was really happy to see them.

Dagger!! I watched episode 3 of Deadly Case Files, and there was a flashback to a younger Vinny and Quinn, because they had helped the featured detective on his case years ago. It looked like Christopher Diaz was again playing Vinny, but some other guy besides Angelo Diaz was playing Quinn!!!

[kathyk2]

Oxygen had a great documentary called The Girl on the Milk Carton. It's the story of a girl named Janelle who disappeared from Colorado in 1984 and how her killer was caught.

[Minivanessa]

On 7/26/2024 at 10:49 AM, LuvMyShows said:

This is why I love Kenda. On American Detective, he starts the episode by explaining that a cop arrived at the station, and he sees a running car that has gone over the curb and is sitting on the grass right in front. So then Kenda says, "All he's trying to do is come to work, and he discovers work has come to him." I just love Kenda's phraseology!

Someone I've known for decades was a prosecutor who worked with Kenda. He described him as "an excellent raconteur" and I def got the feeling there were some Joe stories he was discreetly keeping to himself. Darnit. 

On 8/25/2024 at 9:01 PM, kathyk2 said:

Oxygen had a great documentary called The Girl on the Milk Carton. It's the story of a girl named Janelle who disappeared from Colorado in 1984 and how her killer was caught.

Thanks - I remember that case from the time she went missing. It was big news locally. I'll look for that documentary.

I'm not sure where to post this, but because this is the most active true crime discussion around here, I'll put it here. I've found a lot of "true crime" content on YouTube lately but have noped out of some channels with obvious AI narration. Now a Denver Post article confirms that it's wise to be very careful on YouTube. A completely absolutely made-up fictional story of a murder that DIDN'T HAPPEN, involving NON-EXISTENT PEOPLE, has gone viral as a "true crime" story on YouTube. Yikes! https://www.denverpost.com/2024/08/27/richard-engelbert-littleton-murder-harrison-fake-video-ai/

Edited August 28 by Minivanessa

[LuvMyShows]

If I were the initial detectives from the "Death in Powder Springs" episode of The Real Murders of Atlanta, I wouldn't have wanted to be on the show, given their incompetence. The case only got solved because a cold case unit eventually got the case, and were examining the phone records that the initial detectives also had. The initial detectives had used the phone records to clear the baby daddy, concluding that he didn't kill the baby mama because his phone stayed at his girlfriend's house all night, just like his alibi said he did. 

But, oops, they didn't notice that on the evening of the murder, during the time when the baby daddy said he was asleep, he had actually placed a call, which ended up unraveling the whole murder. Good grief! And the stupid female detective, in discussing the baby daddy, said something like "Well it's ridiculous to think he'd go into her house, kill the baby's mother in front of their child, and then come outside and call 9-1-1". Uh, yeah, plenty of perps are the one to call 9-1-1, to throw suspicion off themselves. And plenty of perps don't care about killing the other parent in front of their child. So of course it actually was him -- the guy who he called, came to pick him up and drove the baby daddy to the baby mama's house, where he killed her in front of their child and then went outside and called 9-1-1...and the baby daddy had intentionally left his phone at the girlfriend's house so he could make it look like he had at stayed home, not near the baby mama's house.

[LuvMyShows]

5 hours ago, Minivanessa said:

Now a Denver Post article confirms that it's wise to be very careful on YouTube. A completely absolutely made-up fictional story of a murder that DIDN'T HAPPEN, involving NON-EXISTENT PEOPLE, has gone viral as a "true crime" story on YouTube. Yikes! https://www.denverpost.com/2024/08/27/richard-engelbert-littleton-murder-harrison-fake-video-ai/

WTAF?! So I went to YouTube and watched the video (put in "husband gay stepfather" and it's the first video that comes up). If you didn't pay very close attention to the video, you would think that it's real, because for the most part, the narrator doesn't sound like voice generation. However, there are a few tells with the video:

• There is only one picture shown of each person, and they re-show that picture over and over again. Likewise for the picture of the house and of the town.
• The family's last name is pronounced several different ways throughout the video.
• When they mention a time, for example, 10:00 am, instead of saying "10 am", they say "10 o'clock am". And when a date is shown, for example June 21, instead of saying "June 21st", they say "June 21".

Interestingly, when the video was playing in YouTube, and they have that list to the right of similar videos for you to watch, there were at least three more that you can tell are exactly of the same format as this one. All the photos of people have the same look, as does all the captioning. IIRC, several even began the same: "This is a story of love and betrayal..."  And when you search for the people in Google, all that comes up are transcripts of the video masquerading as other features. Clearly a LOT of people have been fooled, given the extensive amount of comments.

[Minivanessa]

On Monday, September 2, A&E will debut The Chicano Squad. I'm looking forward to this show. I think it's a two-episode miniseries. 

Here's a partial quote from the linked page's "About the Show" statement:

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“The Chicano Squad” chronicles the groundbreaking team of bilingual patrol officers plucked from their beats and suddenly promoted to Detectives to form the first all-Latin homicide unit dedicated to tackling Houston’s soaring rate of Latin homicide cases in 1979. Dubbed “The Chicano Squad” by the Houston media, the story of these men becoming one of the most highly decorated law enforcement units in the history of Houston is told through firsthand accounts of the original squad members and those impacted by their work.

. . . 

Decades of disregard and corruption inside the Houston Police Department led to widespread police brutality and hundreds of unsolved homicides in the city’s Latin neighborhoods. One officer—Jim Montero—has a vision to form a unit uniquely designed to solve them. In 1979, Montero and five bilingual Mexican American department rookies were given just 90 days to solve all open Latin murder cases, regain the trust of the community, and assist in any new crimes involving Spanish-speaking people.

With no prior homicide experience, unchecked racism and discrimination at all levels of the department, a corrupt police union, the highest crime rate in the country, and an immigrant community that is distrustful of the police, this first–of-its-kind unit of crime fighters lacked experience in homicide investigation and were forced to learn on the job. After 90 days, the Chicano Squad members ultimately proved they belonged and successfully cleared 80% of their cases. What started as an experiment became a permanent and crucial part of Houston Police Department.

Edited to add: @kathyk2 - I watched The Girl on the Milk Carton. Thanks for mentioning it. I thought it was very well done. 

Edited August 31 by Minivanessa
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[LuvMyShows]

While watching one of the UK true crime stories, I saw something that I've rarely, if ever, heard of in the US. And that is someone being charged for lying to the police. And not only that, he got 6 months in jail! And this was not in conjunction with some other crime, or a desperate ploy to hold someone in jail so they could investigate more into something he had done. I have occasionally heard U.S. police threaten that they will prosecute them for lying, if they don't start telling the truth, but then they always do tell the truth, so no prosecution is necessary.

[LuvMyShows]

I forget which franchise I was watching, where the case was solved after it went cold, because when going back through the records they found that one person of interest hadn't had their DNA tested. Of course, that turned out to be the perp. What that brings home to me, is the imprecision I have long suspected with the way many (and I suspect, most) investigations are conducted. You would hope it would be like a science experiment, where all the Ts are crossed and the Is are dotted, and things are checked and re-checked. To me, it seems so basic to have a master checklist of everyone whose name has come up, and then indicate who should be DNA tested, tracking when they were tested, and when the results came in. It would then be so easy to ensure that everyone relevant got tested! And it would not be much more time-consuming to set up such a tracker, especially once one has already been created, for people to use as a template.

I've had the same type of thought when it comes to canvassing the neighbors. When no one is home, the cops leave a card in the door, but I've never heard of a master checklist by address to ensure that everyone was talked to. And what I further wonder/worry about with that, is that even if by some miracle, the cops manage to talk to at least one person from every address in the relevant radius, none of those people may have seen/heard anything on the night in question, but someone else in the house who was never interviewed might have heard/seen something without even realizing it. And I've definitely never heard of tracking that ALL members of a household have been interviewed. 

[mmecorday]

Whenever the announcer says "Evil Lives Here," I expect him to follow up with, "Oh, wait! Evil moved and didn't leave a forwarding address!" 

[Vermicious Knid]

"There's your problem. The switch was set to Evil!"

 

[Minivanessa]

I watched The Chicano Squad this week. Both episodes - total of four hours. I'm glad I did. It threw a lot of names and information at me pretty fast but I eventually got it sorted out.

On a shallow note, the five Squad veterans who participated in the show were, IMO, attractive older men. They also came across as good guys, people I'd enjoy spending time with. 

It's an A&E show, probably available on demand. (I don't have cable TV these days, I get A&E via the Philo streaming service.)

[LuvMyShows]

On 9/5/2024 at 11:18 AM, Minivanessa said:

I watched The Chicano Squad this week. Both episodes - total of four hours. I'm glad I did. It threw a lot of names and information at me pretty fast but I eventually got it sorted out.

I've only watched the first epi so far (will def watch the second, though!), and what I was so struck with, was that note card that one of the other detectives prepared and gave to them, about how to conduct an investigation. It was soooo basic, but clearly the 3-day training they had gone to didn't even cover such a practical, nuts-and-bolts how-to. And they mentioned how frequently they would refer to the note card.

(One thing I didn't like, was that in all the promo material about the show, it says the new squad was "given just 90 days to solve all open Latin murder cases". And that was crap...it never happened that way at all. And to me, by sensationalizing it to something like that, actually is like saying that their real accomplishments weren't good enough to warrant having a show, so we have to inflate it up to something dramatic enough.)

I have often wondered how detectives actually get trained about how to do an investigation, given how many of them in their first case, talk about it as though they were just thrown in there (which I believe, and don't think was exaggeration). Many of us on this forum could probably teach them a thing or two, given what we know from seeing it done right and seeing it done wrong!

Edited September 6 by LuvMyShows

[LuvMyShows]

On 9/6/2024 at 12:31 PM, LuvMyShows said:

Many of us on this forum could probably teach them a thing or two, given what we know from seeing it done right and seeing it done wrong!

Quoting myself because I recently saw an example of doing it right. The detective very strongly suspected that a man had buried someone on his property, but just couldn't prove it in spite of pursuing every lead possible. So the detective thought, if the guy buried someone, what tools would he have needed to do it? Then he got the idea to search out all the places where the guy could have rented an excavator, and he found one, which led to the solving of the case and the guy's conviction.

[LuvMyShows]

Real, true crime...Where I live, police were called to a house where a supposed intruder had been shot and killed by the homeowner, when the homeowner had seen the intruder stabbing the homeowner's wife (who also died). As soon as I read that, I said "bullsh-t". I strongly surmised that the intruder had been lured to the house on false pretenses, and then became the fall guy to take the blame for the homeowner actually murdering his own wife, and he then of course righteously killed the murderous intruder. Having seen the Elise Makdessi case about a million times on different franchises, I could sniff this out a mile away. And sure enough, that's what happened...the homeowner was having an affair with the nanny, and they lured the intruder there for some kind of a sexcapade. 

[iMonrey]

I can highly recommend "Into the Fire: The Missing Daughter" on Netflix. It's a two-part documentary, and while it starts off like a typical Dateline episode, there's a real jaw-dropper around the 40 minute mark of Episode 1. 

[SoMuchTV]

3 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I can highly recommend "Into the Fire: The Missing Daughter" on Netflix. It's a two-part documentary, and while it starts off like a typical Dateline episode, there's a real jaw-dropper around the 40 minute mark of Episode 1. 

Oh, wow! That one took a turn I didn’t see coming, to a case that’s local to me (separate from the jaw-dropper mentioned previously).

[Vivigirl10]

On 10/5/2024 at 10:50 AM, iMonrey said:

I can highly recommend "Into the Fire: The Missing Daughter" on Netflix. It's a two-part documentary, and while it starts off like a typical Dateline episode, there's a real jaw-dropper around the 40 minute mark of Episode 1. 

I recommend it as well.  But it was soooo heartbreaking and soooo infuriating!!!

Once again, these women who support these monsters and turn a blind eye are every bit as guilty as the monsters themselves.  

[iMonrey]

On 10/9/2024 at 9:29 AM, Vivigirl10 said:

Once again, these women who support these monsters and turn a blind eye are every bit as guilty as the monsters themselves.  

Yeah, I thought the wife belonged in jail right beside her husband. I didn't believe for a second she never knew about it.

[auntjess]

Just watched a Fatal Attraction, where a  super controlling guy murders an ex, and  is in Texas, and gets life, but could get parole in 30+ years,  If any case called for a death penalty, this was it.

[LuvMyShows]

On 9/2/2024 at 12:49 AM, LuvMyShows said:

I've had the same type of thought when it comes to canvassing the neighbors. When no one is home, the cops leave a card in the door, but I've never heard of a master checklist by address to ensure that everyone was talked to. And what I further wonder/worry about with that, is that even if by some miracle, the cops manage to talk to at least one person from every address in the relevant radius, none of those people may have seen/heard anything on the night in question, but someone else in the house who was never interviewed might have heard/seen something without even realizing it. And I've definitely never heard of tracking that ALL members of a household have been interviewed. 

Quoting myself because sadly, if the cops had done this in the People Magazine Investigates new episode "The Boogeyman", they might have found that girl who was alive when the cops came to the house the first time. They were unable to search all the rooms in the house at that time, because some of the adults who lived there were not available to give permission for their rooms to be searched. But the cops never went back, or even took down the names of who those other people were. If they had, they would have seen that a sex offender was living right across the street, and maybe made it a priority to come back and try to get permission to search. Even if the guy didn't give permission, maybe they would have picked up on something while in the house again that gave them probable cause.

[LuvMyShows]

On 9/18/2024 at 5:37 PM, LuvMyShows said:

Real, true crime...Where I live, police were called to a house where a supposed intruder had been shot and killed by the homeowner, when the homeowner had seen the intruder stabbing the homeowner's wife (who also died). As soon as I read that, I said "bullsh-t". I strongly surmised that the intruder had been lured to the house on false pretenses, and then became the fall guy to take the blame for the homeowner actually murdering his own wife, and he then of course righteously killed the murderous intruder. Having seen the Elise Makdessi case about a million times on different franchises, I could sniff this out a mile away. And sure enough, that's what happened...the homeowner was having an affair with the nanny, and they lured the intruder there for some kind of a sexcapade. 

Quoting myself on this one to provide an update. The nanny has agreed to turn state's evidence against the homeowner, and has corroborated all of it...they lured an unsuspecting guy to the house for what he thought would be a sexcapade, but was really so that the nanny and homeowner could kill the homeowner's wife and blame it on an attack from the supposedly unwanted intruder.

[Annber03]

6 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

Quoting myself because sadly, if the cops had done this in the People Magazine Investigates new episode "The Boogeyman", they might have found that girl who was alive when the cops came to the house the first time. They were unable to search all the rooms in the house at that time, because some of the adults who lived there were not available to give permission for their rooms to be searched. But the cops never went back, or even took down the names of who those other people were. If they had, they would have seen that a sex offender was living right across the street, and maybe made it a priority to come back and try to get permission to search. Even if the guy didn't give permission, maybe they would have picked up on something while in the house again that gave them probable cause.

Ughhhhhhhh, that was SUCH a gut punch of a reveal. That story was so horrifying...that poor girl. My heart broke for her father, too. 

[kathyk2]

I watched an episode of 48 Hours which featured an update on Jane Dorotick. She was convicted of killing her husband Bob but she kept protesting her innocence. Her conviction was overturned based on DNA evidence and poor handling of evidence in the original investigation.

[One Tough Cookie]

On 11/4/2024 at 2:27 AM, kathyk2 said:

I watched an episode of 48 Hours which featured an update on Jane Dorotick. She was convicted of killing her husband Bob but she kept protesting her innocence. Her conviction was overturned based on DNA evidence and poor handling of evidence in the original investigation.

  I think she did it. When someone is angry, they have superman strength.  What's with the DNA problem?

[kathyk2]

1 hour ago, One Tough Cookie said:

  I think she did it. When someone is angry, they have superman strength.  What's with the DNA problem?

They never found her DNA on his body.

[mmecorday]

I watched the "American Monster" episode about Cindy Monkman, a young woman who was murdered by her German husband so that he could collect the insurance that he recently took out on her. Cindy was a party girl that everybody seemed to like but she had abysmal taste in men! So she meets these two German brothers who claim to be international bankers, but they are cold-hearted grifters. They claimed to be staying at a Holiday Inn where all the elite stay, but when Cindy and a friend follow them, the two men are actually staying at a Motel 6. When their cover is blown, they are angry because now they have lost their jobs and it's all because of meddling Cindy and her friend. The fact that Cindy was visually impaired was not mentioned in the episode but she had to have some sort of ocular handicap otherwise she would have seen that Empire State Building size red flag in front of her. She ends up marrying one of the German bros after just knowing him for a few days and being the sort of girl who lights up a room, Cindy is stabbed multiple times by her louse of a spouse. Cindy didn't deserve such a horrible fate, no one does. But my God, how gullible can one be? 

Oh, and her murderer tried to make it look like her ex-boyfriend, a popular DJ who was also a complete jerk, had something to do with her disappearance. And her family was celebrating Christmas thinking, "Oh, Cindy's just back with her ex and they're staying a nice hotel right now, probably that really high-end Holiday Inn near the roller rink." 

[LuvMyShows]

Watching the "To Have and to Kill" episode of the new Oxygen show A Plan to Kill, I was once again amazed (in a bad way) at how detectives are so clueless when it comes to ambush murders. I'm talking about the type of situation where just as the person returns to their house, they are ambushed and killed. Unless someone has a perfect view of your door and can afford to wait all day/night for you to show up, it's going to take insider help to time it right. Yet I have never seen that be something that detectives think of in a timely manner. And in this case, they had been fooled for over a year and a half that the victim's wife was not involved, until someone else spilled the beans. They had never, ever considered the timing of the murder vis the victim's return from going on a fast food run for everyone, to wonder how the killer knew the exact time to be at the door.

And what a truly awfully atrocious piece of sh*t that woman was. She told her boyfriend that she had cancer and no health insurance, so he married her (ostensibly so she could get health insurance), and then she basically killed him for the life insurance not terribly long after...and of course, she never actually had cancer. And IIRC, she told the people who would do the killing for her, that he was an awful person that abused her, when he sooo didn't.