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I was a very naive 18 year old in 1984

We're about the same age!  I was the lone Democrat in my high school walking around with my Mondale pin while everyone else was for Reagan.   When he campaigned at the St Louis Arch, I even went down there with my protest sign.  I will say, everyone in the crowd was lovely and even let me get up front so I could see.  I'm not sure if they thought I was cute because I was (and still are) kind of short and non threatening or because, heh, there was no way Reagan was going to lose.  "isn't she adorable with her loser sign". 

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5 hours ago, wendyg said:

suomi: What's your source on the claim that Woodward is/was CIA? I've never heard this either. In Woodward's entry at Wikipedia, there's a quote from the CIA head saying he *wished* he had recruited him.

On 12/7/2018 at 3:45 AM, suomi said:

Reading Russ Baker's book  Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, America's Invisible Government, and The Hidden History of the Last Fifty Years

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On 3/3/2019 at 11:18 AM, wendyg said:

Looking it up, I see that book's claims have been heavily questioned. I'll have to look for another source to back it up. For the moment, I'm dubious.

Journalists do not typically want second jobs that require them to swear to secrecy.

The irony is that in 1977 (the year following the book All The President's Men) Carl Bernstein revealed 25+ years of CIA's relationship with over 400 American journalists. 

Washington Post owner Philip Graham is reported to have said he was told by a CIA operative that members of the press were easier and cheaper than prostitutes. “You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month,” the Company man told the Post man.

Operation Mockingbird, millions of pages released via FOIA, media types who on request wrote, edited, published and printed at the direction of CIA (some were former or current CIA):  Philip (former CIA) and Katharine Graham, Washington Post; Joseph Harsch, Christian Science Monitor; Henry Luce, Time and Life; Walter Lippman, Los Angeles Times; William Paley, CBS; John Scott, Time; Harry Schwartz, New York Times; Chalmers Roberts, Washington Post; Malcolm Muir, Newsweek; Joseph and Stewart Alsop, former OSS/CIA, nationally syndicated columnists and reporters, New York Herald Tribune and Saturday Evening Post; William F. Buckley, former CIA, National Review; Thomas Braden, former OSS/CIA, newspaper publisher, syndicated columnist, CNN commentator; Lila and DeWitt Wallace, Reader's Digest.
 

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After Nixon aide Charles Colson met with Senator Howard Baker (the ranking Republican on the Senate Watergate Committee) and his staff - including legal counsel (and future US senator) Fred Thompson - he recounted the session in a previously unpublished memo: “The CIA has been unable to determine whether Bob Woodward was employed by the Agency. The Agency claims to be having difficulty checking personnel files. Thompson says he believes the delay merely means that they don’t want to admit Woodward was in the Agency." 

Thompson wrote a lengthy memo to Baker, complaining about the CIA’s noncooperation, that they were supplying material piecemeal and had been very uncooperative. 

Senator Baker sent this 1974 memo directly to CIA Director William Colby with a cover note, and within a matter of a few hours an incensed Woodward called Baker. The memo had been immediately leaked to the Post reporter.

Woodward’s good connections helped generate a series of exclusive-access interviews that would result in rapidly-produced bestsellers.

The underlying thread is whether or not Woodward's CIA status is tied to Nixon's intuition and suspicion that CIA was the prime mover in the Watergate break-in. Did CIA use extra-legal means to instigate Nixon's removal (violating its charter which limits it to operating on foreign soil) and then use one of its operatives to tell a story quite different from the whole story? 

wendyg

wendyg

Without looking up all those names, I can tell you that some of those weren't journalists - they were *publishers*. Katharine Graham owned the Post; if she actually did the journalist's job before she became a publisher I didn't know that. Luce was the publisher of Time; William Paley ran CBS, he didn't report for it. Etc.

But I'll have to concede the point.

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4 hours ago, Medicine Crow said:

Call me stunned, but I'm not getting what Rachel feels that the Trump building is objectionable.  Help!!!

I'm confused if it was ever fully built.  Rach showed sketches of it -- maybe the proposed finished project?  Then she showed what looked like one building (which she said caught fire) -- but it didn't look like the sketch.  The sketch of the total project looked like a vagina -- no mistaking that.  It looked pornographic, so I kinda get Rach's prudish instincts coming out when showing it. 

At least Rach kept it classy.  If it were Bill Maher showing that sketch, he woulda had a big orange Trump hand grabbing at it.

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9 hours ago, meowmommy said:

Kind of funny that I originally saw it as the exact opposite.  🙂 Just went back and re-watched and I see what you mean.

Well, the structure that was built, and apparently abandoned, was clearly not the intended finished project.  What was left standing, Rachel has referred to as looking like a sail.

Wonder if this means Trump intends to build other possible vagina buildings.  I’m sure Rach will be following (uncomfortably), if it involves the same kinda shady/sinister characters.

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