S09.E06: Heaven Can't Wait

[DittyDotDot]

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Dean and Castiel team-up to stop a rogue angel intent on ending human suffering, while Sam and Kevin strike a deal with Crowley to help translate the angel tablet.

 

I really think this might be the best written episode of the season. It has two main plots running concurrently and neither really feels like the A or B story, overall, but they seem to take turns being the A story. (Does that even make sense?) I think the way they split the guys up is completely organic and I like how they're both working their own stuff, but also keeping each other informed throughout the episode. This should've proved to the show that they can split Sam and Dean up from time to time with out them having some sort of stupid fight with one huffing off on his own.  And, it should be a guidepost to the show on how to have five main characters living and breathing in one episode without it feeling like they tried to cram nine hundred plot points into one little episode in order to make them all relevant.

 

I also like the overall look of this episode--there were a couple nice frame ups of the bunker which I feel is rarely used to it's potential. And the opening sequence has a very old-school Supernatural creepy feel to it. In fact, the way they shot some of the stuff with Dean and the sheriff feels more like something from S1, except brighter. I like it.

 

So, I mentioned that I had some comments about Dean's aloofness over Cass being human in the I'm No Angel thread...here I go. When I first watched this episode, I was like, "Why's Dean being such a dick to Cass?" I mean, he's totally dismissive of Castiel's job and acts like Castiel had other options after being kicked out of the bunker with, apparently, nothing more than the clothes on his back. There's a lot of Dean in S9 that just feels so very out of character to me, so I figured I'd be ignoring this episode as I have with so many others. But as the episode progressed I realized that I don't think Dean really saw Cass being human was a big deal. To Dean, I think he thinks being human would be simple and easy after being so powerful. Plus, Cass always seems to snaps back and survives. I just think he can't wrap his head around Cass floundering as a human.

 

Plus, I think Dean thought this would be temporary--they'd find a way to reverse the spell and Cass would be Cass again--so what's the big whoop? But then they learn the spell is not reversible and I think Dean finally realizes what it was that Cass lost and how little he had to begin with. Dean seems to come around by the end of the episode and sees Cass a little differently. I'm still miffed that Dean tossed him out of the bunker with nothing, though, but it does seem to make a little more sense now after this episode. I always understood why Dean did it--because the Angel-In-A-Sam told him to--but now I understand why he didn't think Cass needed some help and/or a little compassion.

 

 

ETA: Forgot to mention that I really don't understand how Kevin can translate the angel tablet into a doodle language that he doesn't know. And, I'm totally clueless as to why Kevin's having a hard time reading the angel tablet anyway. Isn't that what prophets do? Wasn't he reading it just fine in Sacrifice? Why do they have to make so many things so complicated sometimes?

Edited January 19, 2015 by DittyDotDot

[Demented Daisy]

Watching now and -- it was logical for Kevin to take forever to read the demon tablet because it was broken into pieces.  But, Ditty, you're absolutely right.  It makes no sense for him to take months to read the angel tablet.  When he had the whole demon tablet in A Little Slice of Kevin, he was able to read it like a book.  No confusion, no difficulties.  But the plot needs him to take forever, so he does.  Annoying.

 

S9 made Dean into a jerk entirely too often for my taste.  

 

So, I mentioned that I had some comments about Dean's aloofness over Cass being human in the I'm No Angel thread...here I go. When I first watched this episode, I was like, "Why's Dean being such a dick to Cass?" I mean, he's totally dismissive of Castiel's job and acts like Castiel had other options after being kicked out of the bunker with, apparently, nothing more than the clothes on his back. There's a lot of Dean in S9 that just feels so very out of character to me, so I figured I'd be ignoring this episode as I have with so many others. But as the episode progressed I realized that I don't think Dean really saw Cass being human was a big deal. To Dean, I think he thinks being human would be simple and easy after being so powerful. Plus, Cass always seems to snaps back and survives. I just think he can't wrap his head around Cass floundering as a human.

 

Plus, I think Dean thought this would be temporary--they'd find a way to reverse the spell and Cass would be Cass again--so what's the big whoop? But then they learn the spell is not reversible and I think Dean finally realizes what it was that Cass lost and how little he had to begin with. Dean seems to come around by the end of the episode and sees Cass a little differently. I'm still miffed that Dean tossed him out of the bunker with nothing, though, but it does seem to make a little more sense now after this episode. I always understood why Dean did it--because the Angel-In-A-Sam told him to--but now I understand why he didn't think Cass needed some help and/or a little compassion.

 

 

Sadly, this is why I put Dean into the "jerk" category.  I wonder if he even gave Cas any thought at all -- at different times in the season, Dean appears to only consider his own wants, desires, thoughts, and feelings.  He seems to have no regard for anyone, except maybe Sam.  And Kevin, when it's too late.

 

By the end of the episode, he has improved, when he's helping Cas with his "date", but is he really doing it to help Cas, or is it for his own amusement?

 

I wish I didn't have to ask these questions.

[DittyDotDot]

By the end of the episode, he has improved, when he's helping Cas with his "date", but is he really doing it to help Cas, or is it for his own amusement?

 

I wish I didn't have to ask these questions.

 

Don't I know it!

 

I was more referring to when he dropped Cass off at the store at end of the episode. He seems to have a little more compassion for him there, even if he still wasn't really listening to what Cass was saying. And, when Sam asked if he was going to tell Cass that the spell wasn't reversible, Dean really seemed to struggle with what would be the best thing for Cass. Don't get me wrong, I still think Dean was far too self absorbed for my taste, but I just felt like there was a gleam of compassion coming out of him.

[supposebly]

 

Dean appears to only consider his own wants, desires, thoughts, and feelings.

I think that's not entirely out of character. I would just think, it's less about his wants and desires and more about his feelings of guilt whenever things go wrong. And if that means wallowing in his wrongdoings while ignoring Cas, whose current life, btw., is a direct result of said wrongdoings, oh well.

 

I think that's what Sam meant after Dean went off on a tangent how poisonous he is after they extracted Gadreel from Sam.

 

Or maybe it's me being so tired of his the-world-revolves-around-me-being-responsible-for-it-all-shtick, that I project that onto Sam.

[rue721]

S9 made Dean into a jerk entirely too often for my taste.  

 

Sadly, this is why I put Dean into the "jerk" category.  I wonder if he even gave Cas any thought at all -- at different times in the season, Dean appears to only consider his own wants, desires, thoughts, and feelings.  He seems to have no regard for anyone, except maybe Sam.  And Kevin, when it's too late.

 

IA, and I don't really get it. Why was he being so self-absorbed and cold? I honestly don't get it. I mean, what was wrong with him?

 

I think that's not entirely out of character. I would just think, it's less about his wants and desires and more about his feelings of guilt whenever things go wrong. And if that means wallowing in his wrongdoings while ignoring Cas, whose current life, btw., is a direct result of said wrongdoings, oh well.

 

I think that's what Sam meant after Dean went off on a tangent how poisonous he is after they extracted Gadreel from Sam.

 

Or maybe it's me being so tired of his the-world-revolves-around-me-being-responsible-for-it-all-shtick, that I project that onto Sam.

 

I agree for the most part. There are times earlier in the series, mostly after John's death in S2 and when Sam is struggling to live normally but not actually getting better in S7, that I felt frustrated with Dean because I felt like he was making John's death or Sam's problems all about himself. Like, yes it sucks for you that your father is dead or that your brother is struggling but it sucks more for YOUR DEAD FATHER or YOUR STRUGGLING BROTHER, so buck up (and quit telling the person dealing directly with the shittiness to buck up ffs!). That's a pretty natural reaction, though, so even though it wasn't that flattering to Dean, it was pretty easy to empathize/sympathize with him over it and I didn't have a real *problem* with it. Especially because I felt like he knew he wasn't really justified in making things about himself, especially in S7, and guilt over that was part of what he was having trouble with. Those are the kinds of feelings that imo are ugly and/or embarrassing, but are pretty real and easy to understand, so it didn't really make me dislike Dean that he was having them.

 

But I feel like in S9 things took a turn, because the show itself seemed like it was somehow trying to make me feel bad for Dean that bad things were happening to Sam -- and that made me just sort of fed up with Dean. The most notable time was in Pac Man Fever, imo, which was a pretty good episode in a lot of ways, but it really frustrated me that it was all about how sad it was for Charlie and Dean that their loved ones were hurting, rather than about how sad it was for their *loved ones.* It just felt so out of proportion to me.

By S9, it seemed like Dean no longer had enough perspective to realize on his own that even though of course he was going to have his own feelings about bad things happening to other people, those situations weren't about him/his feelings, they were about the other people who the bad things were actually happening to. Made him look like a self-absorbed ass imo.

 

Also, I feel like especially in S8 for Sam and S9 for Dean, the characters suddenly became very hardened in these weird ways that I couldn't really believe of them. Stuff like, I have trouble believing that they, as not *completely* terrible people, who haven't always had a place to stay or food to eat themselves, would begrudge someone else a place to stay or food to eat, even in the way they did to Kevin or Cas. Not when they had plenty themselves, for sure, and just in general I found that selfishness/thoughtlessness messed up (and honestly, not believable. Who does that?). Idk, the focus was obviously never on that sort of thing, so I don't want to overstate -- but it put me off somewhat, so I probably gave each of them less slack otherwise than I would have.

[catrox14]

 

frustrated with Dean because I felt like he was making John's death or Sam's problems all about himself. Like, yes it sucks for you that your father is dead or that your brother is struggling but it sucks more for YOUR DEAD FATHER or YOUR STRUGGLING BROTHER, so buck up (and quit telling the person dealing directly with the shittiness to buck up ffs!).

 

At the beginning of s2, John sold his soul for Dean and then left Dean the big secret of "Save Sam or Kill Sam".  To me John was horribly selfish to put that on Dean.  So I think Dean making that a little bit about himself was pretty much okay considering the burden John put on him right before he died.  Sure Sam was struggling but Dean was bearing the burden of 'What if I have to kill my brother".  Seems okay to me that Dean was freaking out just a little bit

 

And in this episode I think part of what made Dean seem like a jerk was his making fun of Cas working in a convenience store and that came out of Dean really believing that Cas had so much more to offer to the world than that particular job.

 

And Dean has been feeling terribly guilty and it's showing in his attitude and demeanor. The guilt and secret keeping is turning him into this jerk. 

[Goldmoon]

Didn't care for this one.  I felt so bad for Cas for trying so hard and then getting kicked around like we humans do.  I am looking forward to Dean and Cas restoring their friendship.  I can't bear to see Dean be so uncaring of Cas.  And I wondered if Cas's arc this season was to downplay the destial.  Sure seems like it.

[supposebly]

I rather think it was to enforce that Dean was on a rather terrible path kicking out his not-boyfriend.

 

Castiel's face after Dean kicked him out probably reinforced whatever people imagine goes on between them when we are not looking.

 

I mean, even Lucifer would have melted at that kicked puppy face.

[catrox14]

I didn't understand why it was being portrayed that Cas has no understanding of ANYTHING about being human at all in this episode. He experienced hunger as Jimmy's vessel in prior seasons. He wasn't a newborn baby. Sure it was painful and sad because Cas doesn't know why Dean asked him to leave AFAIK but Dean thought he had no choice because Ezekiel!Sam told him that he would leave Sam to die if he didn't make Cas leave.  At that point, Dean should have just confessed to Cas what he had done, but I think he was both ashamed of his lies and frightened about Ezekiel's ultimatum. But I never took it as Dean was being a big old heartless meanie to Cas. At least to me Jensen showed Dean's conflict and struggle with those bad choices.  YMMV

[GirlyGeek]

I agree with others here:  the characterization of Dean was really off here.  Why was he giving Cas such a hard time?  I mean, he kicks the guy to the curb and then finds him, metaphorically, on that same curb and kicks him around some more?  Why? 
I did like him trying to help him for his 'date'.  And Misha/Cas singing to the baby was cute, too. 

 

I can fanwank that Dean has a lot on his plate right now and doesn't have time to feel guilty over kicking Cas out, so instead he tries humor to make it better, but who am I kidding?  Dean always has room for more guilt and he was being a jerk, lol

 

Overall, this episode didn't do much for me.  I did like seeing Cas try to live his life and the pride he took in what he did.  Just like in  "I'm no Angel" the little things he was learning about people and about being human were interesting to me.

[RulerofallIsurvey]

Randomly random out of order thoughts on this one:

• I smiled at Cas singing the theme song to Greatest American Hero.  He's got a pretty good voice.
• I liked that Cas took pride in and found dignity in doing a good job at even the menial task like cleaning the men's room.  And FU Dean to your attitude about it.  We can't all be The Fantastic Winchesters.
• I really thought they'd be able to turn the Angel of Mercy around - get him to see some logic and maybe get Cas to give him lessons on humanity or something.  I understand why Cas had to kill him in that moment - it was him or Kevorkian, but still...  And what about the others?  I'm sure he wasn't the only one like him.  
• Interesting when people are vaporized, it's Pepto Bismal pink.  The pink windows on the house were especially creepy.
• LOL at Sam's face when Crowley threw the paper at him.  I liked how Sam consulted with Kevin about whether or not to give Crowley his phone call - he didn't just make the decision himself.  
• I can't believe that the manager lady didn't make it abundantly clear to Cas that she was asking him to baby sit up front.  I find that really hard to believe.  But then, we wouldn't have had the set up for the plot otherwise, huh?
• Dean was cute giving Cas dating advice - but then Cas has been married (when he forgot who he was) so does he really need it?  
• And I thought it was actually pretty cruel of Dean to ask Cas "Where to?" after the non-date debacle.  It's not like Cas could say, "Let's go back to the bunker." could he?
• I wonder if Crowley injecting the last bit of Kevin's blood into himself gets dropped like so many other things.

Overall, kind of a depressing episode.  You know, Kinda.  Like more than Sam getting drenched in Hellhound blood and less than Dean getting dragged off by one.  ;)

[Dobian]

I liked a lot of things in this episode.  Crowley, as always.  "They put me on hold."  LOL.  Dean's Tony Manero comment to Cas.  But I didn't care for the contrivance of this misunderstanding where Cas thought he was going on a date when hot convenience store manager just wanted him to babysit.  Like she never would have said why she wanted him to come over.  And it just made her look bad, what with the condescending, "You're really special, Steve, you'll never touch this with a ten foot pole while I date a long line of losers, including the one that will knock me up again before taking off in his eighteen wheeler, but you really are special."  Gag.  He needs to transfer to a convenience store run by an Indian named Mahesh who respects him for the man he is.

[DittyDotDot]

I still really like this one. I really like what they were doing with Cass learning to be human. I had high hopes for this storyline and I'm sorry it didn't live up to my expectations, but for now I'm still really invested in Cass's journey. It's so sad to me at the end of the episode where Cass is basically saying he's ready to stand up and try to help fix this mess and Dean basically shuts him back down.  I do think Dean finally sees what Cass is going through, but also can't invite him in to this hole of lies and secrets Dean's digging himself into.

I also love how they're handling Crowley right now. Personally, I think the show has always struggled on what to do with Cass and Crowley after S6, but this might be the only time I feel like they have found organic places for both characters. Too bad they decided to go back to status quo later, but for now I'm really enjoying these two characters. Not sure I'd say the same about Sam and Dean, though...whatever.

I still think this is the one of the best written episodes of the season. Which may not be an actual compliment considering how little I think of S9. But, it is meant as a compliment.

On 1/29/2015 at 2:26 PM, rue721 said:

Also, I feel like especially in S8 for Sam and S9 for Dean, the characters suddenly became very hardened in these weird ways that I couldn't really believe of them. Stuff like, I have trouble believing that they, as not *completely* terrible people, who haven't always had a place to stay or food to eat themselves, would begrudge someone else a place to stay or food to eat, even in the way they did to Kevin or Cas. 

And, this would be why I call the Carver years "The Era of the Petty Little Jerks."

Edited September 19, 2016 by DittyDotDot

[bettername2come]

I really love Castiel in regular clothes. He looks adorable. Kevin's back! Manager was misleading. As much as Castiel misreads human intentions, him thinking it was a date was completely justified. "I'm just saying we're not keeping him chained up for the one-liners." Yes, yes the show is. Chained up Crowley really doesn't do much. But him throwing a paper at Sam's head was adorable. King of Hell should probably not act like a spoiled toddler. I love Human Cas. The way he waves Dean off like a teenager getting dropped off by his dad is adorable. And then his "Please don't" to the baby is adorable, as is the monologue. I love that the baby goes quiet when she see the guy standing at the door. Even she's shocked at the psycho angel standing there. I love his protectiveness there. Human Cas I think has a higher per episode kill rate than regular Cas. I respect Crowley being a legitimate business man, keeping his contracts and his deal with Sam and Kevin. Him injecting himself with the human blood is interesting. I still think a cured Crowley could've been really interesting. 

[Hanahope]

I like seeing how they are humanizing both Cas and Crowley. Agreed that the set up with the store manager was a real plot contrivance, maybe Cas doesn't remember much when he lost  his memory after the Leviathans took him initially.  

I also don't quite understand why Kevin has such a hard time reading the angel tablet other than it gives them a reason to need Crowley. 

[Wayward Son]

Another episode I enjoyed a lot more this time around. Maybe the show has caught me on a good day? Heh 

 

Like others in this thread, I had issues with Dean’s treatment of Castiel here. Like others have said; what else was Castiel supposed to do with no ID, or anything else besides the clothes on his back? However, this time around I didn't find it quite as jerky. Perhaps it’s reading posts on here and other forums, but I could see the internal conflict Dean was feeling more, and I do believe he was shocked to see a warrior like Cas working such a normal run of the mill job. Considering his general reaction to the idea of hunters quitting the fight it’s in character for Dean to struggle with finding Cas’ choices acceptable. Considering my overall feelings for Dean in S9 I’m gonna count finding him more tolerable here as a win. 

 

On the Cas front, this episode is a perfect example of why I consider Berens the best Castiel writer of the current team. The episode portrays his growing understanding of humanity, but it refrains from doing so in a manner that depicts him as a total idiot. I also found humorous moments like the date mistake understandable rather than demeaning. I honestly think many would have made the same mistake as Cas. Oh, and he actually got to be resourceful (trying to carve the sigil) and competent (using the angel blade to kill the angel). This is the type of Castiel I want to see more of! 

 

I also enjoyed things on the Kevin, Sam and Crowley end of things. Personally, I don’t think there is anything special about Kevin’s blood (unless there is something from a later episodes I’ve forgotten?) IMO it’s Crowley! Of course he’s going to request things in a way that will cause the most annoyance to the good guys. It was also great to see Abbadon again! I loved her. She’s in my top three demons of the show along with Azazel and Alastair! All A names.. go figure haha

[Iju]

"I'll get the car."

"Not just yet, I have to clean the restrooms!"

*gives dean a shameful look*

love you boo <3 <3

okay, i am OFFENDED. i am NOT liking my boo getting his heart broken by people. he doesn't deserve this, he wasn't meant to be human! >:( but he was super adorable with the baby, especially with him worriedly talking on the phone. the world doesn't deserve him omg.

as for the other big C name...i believe crowley. abbadon is gonna pay and pay hard. she's underestimated crowley ever since she heard about his throne. somehow crowley will escape...but what will this slick little eel of a demon do to make it possible?

[The Companion]

I loved Castiel working out how to be human and taking such pride in his work. Also, I don't know why but it just seemed really sweet that he chose a gas station. We see the guys getting so much of their food there. It felt like either an homage to them or a familiar place.

Which made it super hard to watch Dean speak so badly about it. I am trying to see what others in this thread see, but it just felt really cruel and un-Dean-like to me. I was happy he eventually got it, but it was hard to watch. 

What bothered me more was the entire Nora thing. Castiel doesn't really get people, so something he misinterpreted would have worked here. But no reasonable person would have intepreted the following as a request to babysit:

NORA
I've been afraid to ask. I-I don't want to take advantage of you as my employee, and I certainly don't want to jeopardize our working relationship. But as a working single mom, it's hard enough to get a date, let alone meet a really great guy. (CASTIEL looks a little puzzled about where all this is going.) And … tomorrow's my night off, and I know you're off, too, and … I was just wondering if there's any chance you're... free tomorrow night?

Also, no reasonable person would expect a woman to ask a relatively new co worker who may not have even held a baby before for all she knows to watch her infant. Most parents I know won't even hire teenagers for that stage. Hell, half the daycares don't take infants because they are so much more work and require so many more licensing hoops. For a date. And even if she was just that desperate to go out, there is no way she doesn't have her phone on and isn't checking it. Especially during a bad date. 

Was I the only one cringing when Sam agreed not to quid pro quo only to have him do it immediately. I mean it does sound like Dean is on board, but all I could think was that Crowley is definitely lying if he gets any information he thinks he can use to his advantage. 

Despite its flaws, I did enjoy this one lot. I don't know if it is the comparison to S8, but I am enjoying the storyline so far. I like the demon power struggle and the angels' struggle to figure out Earth.

Maybe dumb question but I can't Google it for fear of spoilers. I know that even fallen angels can see the demons within a host (Anna saw them), but I thought angels could recognize other angels too and I thought I remembered a demon recognizing an angel's true face. Did I make that up? If not, how is Ezekiel hiding? Did I miss something? If the answer requires spoilers, just tell me that. 

[S Cook Productions]

15 hours ago, The Companion said:

I loved Castiel working out how to be human and taking such pride in his work. Also, I don't know why but it just seemed really sweet that he chose a gas station. We see the guys getting so much of their food there. It felt like either an homage to them or a familiar place.

Which made it super hard to watch Dean speak so badly about it. I am trying to see what others in this thread see, but it just felt really cruel and un-Dean-like to me. I was happy he eventually got it, but it was hard to watch. 

What bothered me more was the entire Nora thing. Castiel doesn't really get people, so something he misinterpreted would have worked here. But no reasonable person would have intepreted the following as a request to babysit:

NORA
I've been afraid to ask. I-I don't want to take advantage of you as my employee, and I certainly don't want to jeopardize our working relationship. But as a working single mom, it's hard enough to get a date, let alone meet a really great guy. (CASTIEL looks a little puzzled about where all this is going.) And … tomorrow's my night off, and I know you're off, too, and … I was just wondering if there's any chance you're... free tomorrow night?

Also, no reasonable person would expect a woman to ask a relatively new co worker who may not have even held a baby before for all she knows to watch her infant. Most parents I know won't even hire teenagers for that stage. Hell, half the daycares don't take infants because they are so much more work and require so many more licensing hoops. For a date. And even if she was just that desperate to go out, there is no way she doesn't have her phone on and isn't checking it. Especially during a bad date. 

Was I the only one cringing when Sam agreed not to quid pro quo only to have him do it immediately. I mean it does sound like Dean is on board, but all I could think was that Crowley is definitely lying if he gets any information he thinks he can use to his advantage. 

Despite its flaws, I did enjoy this one lot. I don't know if it is the comparison to S8, but I am enjoying the storyline so far. I like the demon power struggle and the angels' struggle to figure out Earth.

Maybe dumb question but I can't Google it for fear of spoilers. I know that even fallen angels can see the demons within a host (Anna saw them), but I thought angels could recognize other angels too and I thought I remembered a demon recognizing an angel's true face. Did I make that up? If not, how is Ezekiel hiding? Did I miss something? If the answer requires spoilers, just tell me that. 

I too LOVE this ep...it's one of those eps that made me fall more in love with Poor Cas; his singing to the baby- gaaaaaah! As far as Dean goes (whom I love here in this ep too), I personally think that a lot of his down-playing of worth at the beginning is his defense mechanism. He feels guilty for kicking Cas out of the bunker, but he obviously misses him and wants to hang out (on cases) with him. However, he definitely puts Cas' well-being ahead of his wants when he tells Cas to not worry about what's going on, that he and Sam will take care of it. I know he's trying to protect Cas from the knowledge that the spell is not reversible...but I think he is being a good friend and trying to make up for kicking Cas to the curb. Loyalty is a very-Dean thing to do and I think he ends with that here.

As to your second question, there will be a little bit of an answer to that coming soon in a few more eps.

[Katy M]

On 1/2/2020 at 11:46 PM, The Companion said:

Maybe dumb question but I can't Google it for fear of spoilers. I know that even fallen angels can see the demons within a host (Anna saw them), but I thought angels could recognize other angels too and I thought I remembered a demon recognizing an angel's true face. Did I make that up? If not, how is Ezekiel hiding? Did I miss something? If the answer requires spoilers, just tell me that. 

Much like powers, being able to detect a demon or an angel is episode and plot specific.  Not giving away details but there two episodes coming up in which a demon fails to see a demon sitting two inches away, and another one where an angel fails to see an angel as he walks by him.

[The Companion]

12 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Much like powers, being able to detect a demon or an angel is episode and plot specific.  Not giving away details but there two episodes coming up in which a demon fails to see a demon sitting two inches away, and another one where an angel fails to see an angel as he walks by him.

I thought that might be the case, but was wondering if I had missed something.