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A place to discuss particular episodes, arcs and moments from the show's first season. Please remember this isn't a complete catch-all topic -- check out the forum for character topics and other places for show-related talk.

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Ronin Jackson

Ronin Jackson

Yeah they've got to be a dream cast for any potential script that calls for three blonde sisters.

Back to the show... I had to rewind the scene in the season finale in the park when Daniel talked about his confession.  The first time I saw it I thought it was a confession and Amantha was excusing it because he was "high on mushrooms".  I think I could handle it if Daniel turned out to be guilty but it would be irritating if being under the influence of mushrooms played a roll in it.    

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Fisher King

Fisher King

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I haven't rewatched any episodes since they aired but intend on doing so the week before S2 begins.

 

Is Susan Gunterson the hair dresser?

 

I imagine that Teddy is smart enough to have learned the lesson Daniel showed with the coffee incident. He could even become an ally to his step-brother, especially given Daniel's brutal beating. That scenario could present an opportunity as well for Tawny to be by Daniel's side. If that happens, the skeptical and jealous side of Teddy will return.

 

I'm wondering how much time will have passed since the events of the last episode.

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radishcake

radishcake

Can anyone explain to me what the significance of the goat man was? That was the one sequence/part of the show that I didn't enjoy quite as much.

The episode had a LOT of old time religious god/devil imagery. I think the goat man was symbolic of not only the temptations of the devil but also of the fact that Daniel can get swept up because he doesn't have a firm grasp on reality. I wonder if this is something that has always been a problem for him and maybe that's why it was easy to target him in the murder. 

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Fisher King

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I second what radishcake wrote, and will add this -- although it may totally off base -- but seeing a slight connection.....

There was a goat man who wandered around the country, mostly the southeast and into the deep south. He was a grizzled old man who drove a wagon pulled by a herd of goats, he sold odds n ends and would tell the story of how he found religion after having died and then miraculously came back to life.

 

I present this mainly because of Daniel's mystique and how he was basically dead in prison, then given new life. Also because Ray McKinnon is well-versed in southern legend and lore and may possibly have implemented aspects of this into Daniel's story.

 

One source: The Goat Man

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kieyra

kieyra

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I just binged season one. I noticed in the Wikipedia summary for episode 6, it says "Daniel admits he doesn't know what happened that night," or words to that effect. Does he actually say that? If so I missed it. But if he was high on mushrooms and really doesn't know what happened, it would help explain part of his character to me (that he decided it was easier to just assume he was guilty since he wasn't sure, and felt guilty either way). And why he never explicitly states his innocence, which had been bugging me.

Overall, it was solid, but wasn't quite what I was expecting. I understood it to be about what happens to a man released from death row for a crime he didn't commit, and how hard it would be to re-integrate into the world. I didn't realize they were going to weave a whodunnit into it (since we still don't know who killed her, or even if it maybe was Daniel). And then when I realized it was in fact going to have a whodunnit element, I somehow convinced myself it would be wrapped up by season one. And now I find myself pretty impatient with that whole aspect of it and having some post "The Killing" resentment. I guess I was expecting the suicide guy's body to be found sooner, and not by another "bad guy" who would then further prevent it being found. I thought that was all going to play in a more straightforward way.

At least season 2 is starting soon, but hopefully they don't try to draw that part out into a third season.

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AuntiePam

AuntiePam

Wasn't sure where to put this -- just a heads up that Sundance is repeating season one starting at 9:30 p.m. CST Sunday, June 15.  I'll be rewatching.  I think I remember most of what happened but it's so good, I want to see it again.

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Wasn't sure where to put this -- just a heads up that Sundance is repeating season one starting at 9:30 p.m. CST Sunday, June 15.  I'll be rewatching.  I think I remember most of what happened but it's so good, I want to see it again.

I think you meant AM.

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MyLisa

MyLisa

Finally saw Season Once with a binge-watch yesterday.  I'd heard bits and pieces via critic reviews and other articles last year so I kind of knew what to expect but the part I wasn't prepared for was the glacial pace.  I'm not complaining -- I was just surprised.  I actually like Ted a lot more than I expected to (perhaps I just like Clayne Crawford too much to hate his character).  But one (admittedly superficial) detail that bothered me was Amantha's wardrobe, especially the boots.  I'm already struggling with the casting -- the actors just don't look like brother and sister, or daughter and mother -- but those boots just didn't make any sense to me as a fashion choice... until I recognized one of her necklaces from the Sundance catalog.  And then I realized her entire wardrobe is from the Sundance catalog.  Suddenly it was all I could focus on -- Tawney's house and wardrobe also include quite a few Sundance items, and if I rewatched I'm sure I'd spot more in the Talbot household too.  I realize it probably says more about my catalog shopping habits than it does the set dressers/costumers choices but it definitely took me out of the story, and I found myself annoyed by the product placement.  Hopefully, by watching season 2 one episode per week, I can get back into the story...  'cause I do want to know where it's going.

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cassandle

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I actually like Ted a lot more than I expected to (perhaps I just like Clayne Crawford too much to hate his character).

 

This is the reason it's hard for me not to root for Teddy.  Even when Teddy is being kind of a douche I still find myself more annoyed at the other characters for being mean to him because he's Clayne Crawford.  Crawford is the reason I started watching the show in the first place so I found myself caring more about his character's storyline than Daniel's.

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jnhux123

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This is the reason it's hard for me not to root for Teddy.  Even when Teddy is being kind of a douche I still find myself more annoyed at the other characters for being mean to him because he's Clayne Crawford.  Crawford is the reason I started watching the show in the first place so I found myself caring more about his character's storyline than Daniel's.

I think I'm one of the only fans who likes Teddy too. Reading his character bio helped me understand why he is the way he is. http://www.sundance.tv/series/rectify/cast/ted-talbot-jr

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GHScorpiosRule

GHScorpiosRule

Can anyone tell me where I can watch the first season? I know that Sundance usually plays a marathon of the previous season before the new season premieres, but I missed it, and they don't have it on Demand, dammit.

 

I want to really watch the first because I know I'll be lost if I start watching this season first.  Thanks.

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Red Bridey

Red Bridey

I didn't watch the first season, so I have some questions about the family structure that weren't answered by my close watching of Season 2.  So Mom Janet had Daniel and Amantha, and then her husband died and she married Ted who had Teddy.  Who's son is Jared?  Ted's or Daniel's dad (Sorry, I don't know what his name was)?  Jared is supposed to be around 16 or 17, right?  How long was Daniel in jail?  I figured about 20 years, which means Jared never knew him at all. 

 

Thanks for any help y'all can provide.

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MorbidPet

MorbidPet

Yes Jared's dad is Ted Sr. In Jared's bio on Sundance.tv it says he's never met Daniel before his release.

 

I guess Janet must've hooked up with Ted Sr rather fast after she became a widower. But I think I remember hearing Ted Sr was friends with (do we have a name on him?) Daniels and Amantha's father right? Something about Ted Sr being there for her, he certainly seems like a rock for the family.

 

Do you think Teddy and Amantha are about the same age? I dunno where I read it but it said somewhere that Teddy felt the need to step in as the big brother in the family in Daniel's absence, I think everyone but Amantha got that memo (or she decided to trash it)

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editorgrrl

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Do you think Teddy and Amantha are about the same age? I dunno where I read it but it said somewhere that Teddy felt the need to step in as the big brother in the family in Daniel's absence, I think everyone but Amantha got that memo (or she decided to trash it)

 

According to the Sundance cast & characters page, Daniel was convicted when he was 18, and "since she was 12, Daniel's death sentence has dominated Amantha's life." The main Sundance page says the show opens 19 years after the conviction, so Daniel is 37 & Amantha 31.

 

In "6 Questions with 'Rectify' Star Clayne Crawford (Ted Talbot Jr.)," he says:

I see Teddy as a guy who never really had a true family unit—knowing that he came into the Talbot family around 10 or 11 and was never truly accepted by his sister and had that looming cloud hanging over the family’s head with Daniel being incarcerated. And then my little brother Jared was born not too far after, so I think Teddy is a guy craving attention and love.

 

I can't find an official age for either Teddy or Jared. But Jake Austin Walker's IMDB bio says that Jared's 15. So Teddy's what, 26 or 27?

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Red Bridey

Red Bridey

Thanks for the answers to my questions.  Hmm, I wonder why I, a person who likes to hit the computer for answers to just about everything, never thought to look at the Sundance page.  My technophobia pops up in the weirdest ways. 

 

That was my first post, I think.  I like the people at this website!

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SusanSunflower

SusanSunflower

I think Teddy knows that his luck (material success) in life came as a direct result of working for his dad rather than merit or talent or initiative (hence the ill-conceived rim leasing innovation). His dad's success in life and material comforts are derived from marrying the widow of his good friend and longterm employer Daniel and Amantha's father ... If we were told what became of Teddy's mother, I've forgotten it... but there is that "born on third base" shame. 

 

Teddy reminds me of my younger brother (now in his 50's) who similarly was terribly self-conscious and adept at projecting success -- as if he really wanted everyone to envy him -- but which often in real life was serious control-freak tendencies so that -- like Teddy and Tawny's immaculate and tastefully decorated home, things had a not-quite-lived-in quality, even Stepford-ish perfection ...  I find myself wondering just how long Teddy and Tawny have been married and what their ages were when they first met.  Was Tawny a moldable/impressionable sweet young thing that somewhat older Teddy trained to be a perfect little wife ... until where we enter the story and he's bored with her bright little smiles and thoughtfully packed sack lunches and casseroles and she's bored with making them and his perfunctory head pats. I don't know if Teddy is "the dumb one" in his extended family or if he just is the most timid and least self confident about his actual abilities. 

 

I keep being startled that there's been no mention of Teddy's interrogation of Daniel about prison rape ... that was practically our introduction to the nasty-piece-of-work that is Teddy and which preceded the coffee ground assault (episode 5) ... Daniel survived a real rape -- as I recall -- awakening alone, soaking wet, and filthy and sore -- having been raped and assaulted in prison (their discussion was in episode 2) -- and went on, one day at a time.  Teddy is/was apparently still undone by this symbolic rape event from which he emerged unscathed if "shamed."   

 

I was wondering about Daniel telling Tawny that he was in truth a bad man ... and when/where did we first hear him make that assertion and what he based that self-judgment.  I get a feeling almost of "original sin" or that his negative verdict about his own morality (goodness) may have even preceded the murder/rape ... that he may have felt his conviction was inevitable, the fate of a bad man. Did he feel guilty for consorting with, sullying that beautiful young woman? Masculine sexual guilt? I was struck by Tawny's optimistic Christian belief in her absolution, having been forgiven ... and Daniel's more new testament "original sin" ... 

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Dilbert-Deaux

Dilbert-Deaux

Daniel takes so long to say anything that the show drags a bit for me. Southerners don't all talk slow. 

 

Overall, the show is good, not my favorite but watchable. The coffee scene wasn't that disturbing to me. Some people pay good money for that sort of therapy.

 

You just know that there's going to be an adult knock-off on Cinemax some day called "Rectum-fied".

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editorgrrl

editorgrrl

Daniel takes so long to say anything that the show drags a bit for me. Southerners don't all talk slow.

Daniel doesn't talk slow because he's Southern—he talks slow because he's introspective. Also weird. I sometimes wonder how much of that is from 19 years in prison, but I don't think anyone has ever commented on Daniel being any different now than he was back then.

He has an oddball sense of humor, but he's not a wisecracker like Amantha.

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