Spoilers With Speculation

[SueB]

Updating Jess' last post (my adds are in bold)

Episode 14x18
Title: Absence
Written by: Robert Berens
Director:  Nina Lopez -Corrado
Filming Dates: February 20 - March 1 (February 21 - March 4) 
Airdate: April 11
Castiel? YES Jack? Likely (note: Sam Smith either talked to Alex on set during this episode or somehow keeps in electronic communication with him, because she reacted to something he must have told her directly on 28 Feb .. upgraded Jack to 'likely')
Guest stars: Sam Smith (Mary), Ruth Connell (Rowena), Mark Pellegrino (Nick/Lucifer)*
Other Spoilers/info (newest to oldest): see previous analysis on impact of Mardi Gras

Episode 14x19
Title: Jack in the Box
Written by:  Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Lemming
Director:  Robert Singer
Filming Dates: March 4 - March 13  (March 5 - March 14)
Airdate: April 18
Castiel? possibly Jack? Possibly
Guest stars: Jim Beaver (AUBobby)
Other Spoilers/info (newest to oldest):
Nashville convention to occur during filming.

*Note: Jess called Pellegrino "Lucifer" as of 14.17. Picture taken last Friday, 1 Mar. Scenes filmed: 27, 42, 18 pt 2, 19 pt2, 21, 30, 31 pt1 A36   
ETA:  Based on scene shooting order -- I suspect a big confrontation with Lucifer in scenes 18 & 19 and the final scene is in the bunker. Lucifer is likely still alive.

Edited March 6, 2019 by SueB
found evidence Jack is in episode

[S Cook Productions]

9 hours ago, SueB said:

Updating Jess' last post (my adds are in bold)

Episode 14x18
Title: Absence
Written by: Robert Berens
Director:  Nina Lopez -Corrado
Filming Dates: February 20 - March 1 (February 21 - March 4) 
Airdate: April 11
Castiel? YES Jack? Possibly
Guest stars: Sam Smith (Mary), Ruth Connell (Rowena), Mark Pellegrino (Nick/Lucifer)*
Other Spoilers/info (newest to oldest): see previous analysis on impact of Mardi Gras

Episode 14x19
Title: Jack in the Box
Written by:  Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Lemming
Director:  Robert Singer
Filming Dates: March 4 - March 13  (March 5 - March 14)
Airdate: April 18
Castiel? possibly Jack? Possibly
Guest stars: Jim Beaver (AUBobby)
Other Spoilers/info (newest to oldest):
Nashville convention to occur during filming.

*Note: Jess called Pellegrino "Lucifer" as of 14.17. Picture taken last Friday, 1 Mar. Scenes filmed: 27, 42, 18 pt 2, 19 pt2, 21, 30, 31 pt1 A36   
ETA:  Based on scene shooting order -- I suspect a big confrontation with Lucifer in scenes 18 & 19 and the final scene is in the bunker. Lucifer is likely still alive.

Well done on all of this, SueB, Thanks! 

[SueB]

44 minutes ago, S Cook Productions said:

Well done on all of this, SueB, Thanks! 

I updated to show Jack is likely in episode.  See above.

[SueB]

Posted today: "I’m behind on my school work and cramming for SPN." -- which puts Pellegrino in 14.19.  

Edited March 6, 2019 by SueB
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[juppschmitz]

3 hours ago, SueB said:

Posted today: "I’m behind on my school work and cramming for SPN." -- which puts Pellegrino in 14.19.  

Wait, what? Is MP saying that "The reality is brownouts and power failures are multiplying in Germany"?

What Germany is he talking about? Certainly not the one I'm living in.

Maybe the same fantasy-Germany with "terrible crime rate surge by immigrants" that Mr Trump talks about.

(Sorry for ranting, maybe I'm completely misinterpreting his post and everything is out of context...)

[rue721]

Just now, juppschmitz said:

Wait, what? Is MP saying that "The reality is brownouts and power failures are multiplying in Germany"?

What Germany is he talking about? Certainly not the one I'm living in.

Maybe the same fantasy-Germany with "terrible crime rate surge by immigrants" that Mr Trump talks about.

(Sorry for ranting, maybe I'm completely misinterpreting his post and everything is out of context...)

Naw, based on other things MP has said/written, I think you're interpreting fine.

[juppschmitz]

4 minutes ago, rue721 said:

Naw, based on other things MP has said/written, I think you're interpreting fine.

I'm sorry to say this post made me realize that MP is just as big a tool as his SPN characters. 

[Aeryn13]

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Wait, what? Is MP saying that "The reality is brownouts and power failures are multiplying in Germany"?

What Germany is he talking about? Certainly not the one I'm living in.

Not the one where I live either. Maybe he is talking about the mirror!verse where we all have goatees. 

[ILoveReading]

25 minutes ago, juppschmitz said:

Wait, what? Is MP saying that "The reality is brownouts and power failures are multiplying in Germany"?

What Germany is he talking about? Certainly not the one I'm living in.

Maybe the same fantasy-Germany with "terrible crime rate surge by immigrants" that Mr Trump talks about.

(Sorry for ranting, maybe I'm completely misinterpreting his post and everything is out of context...)

I have several friends from Germany.  None where they live either.

Maybe MP is mixing up reality and fantasy.

[Cambion]

Wait, what?  How is MP an expert on power generation, green energy, etc., etc.  And can that industry take him off our hands?  Please?

[juppschmitz]

6 hours ago, Cambion said:

And can that industry take him off our hands?  Please?

😂👍 So much this.

[PAForrest]

14 hours ago, juppschmitz said:

I'm sorry to say this post made me realize that MP is just as big a tool as his SPN characters. 

I think we could have done with just the spoiler about MP doing his script homework without the right wing talking points, because that's all that is above, he does spout a lot of it on his twitter feed, and that's why a lot of fans stopped following him. So, yes, he's a tool.

And all we need to know from his stupid posts is that he's currently working on whatever episode they're shooting now. Which should be close to the finale, if not the finale? With three less episodes to shoot they should be wrapping it up soon, where normally they were working until the first or second week of April before the episode cut.

As for the little clip preview, I like it, I like Dean in it - but I don't like the usual "it's on the group" mentality that Cas is spouting whenever he and/or Sam make a mistake (i.e., not letting Dean go through with the box idea weeks ago).  But it's what they always say, so it's the usual meaningless statement. Is this B/C-plot stuff? Is the A-plot nougat drama?

Edited March 7, 2019 by PAForrest

[SueB]

1 hour ago, PAForrest said:

I think we could have done with just the spoiler about MP doing his script homework without the right wing talking points, because that's all that is above, he does spout a lot of it on his twitter feed, and that's why a lot of fans stopped following him. So, yes, he's a tool.

And all we need to know from his stupid posts is that he's currently working on whatever episode they're shooting now. Which should be close to the finale, if not the finale? With three less episodes to shoot they should be wrapping it up soon, where normally they were working until the first or second week of April before the episode cut.

As for the little clip preview, I like it, I like Dean in it - but I don't like the usual "it's on the group" mentality that Cas is spouting whenever he and/or Sam make a mistake (i.e., not letting Dean go through with the box idea weeks ago).  But it's what they always say, so it's the usual meaningless statement. Is this B/C-plot stuff? Is the A-plot nougat drama?

If I could have figured out how to bring just his post, I would have.  Next time I'll just copy & paste the text & skip the link -- and ask you to trust it came from his feed.  Yes, MP is an ass. I only check for spoilers.

Edited March 7, 2019 by SueB

[SueB]

http://www.givememyremote.com/remote/2019/03/06/supernatural-michael-spoilers-andrew-dabb/

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“I think for all three of them, they have this Plan B, which is the box, which they don’t want to do, but is there,” SUPERNATURAL co-showrunner Andrew Dabb says. “They feel it buys them a bit of time. But I think we’ll learn very quickly, Michael has not been idle during his time in Dean’s head.”

And though the end of the season is still a bit away, fans won’t have to wait that long to see the drama play out. “This will come to a boil much sooner than people realize,” he teases. “Like, literally, the next episode.”

So Michael is out tonight, I'm guessing. 

[Aeryn13]

Anticlimactic Michael ending buried somewhere mid-Season in episode 14. So long for the Dean connection.  

[Myrelle]

18 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

Anticlimactic Michael ending buried somewhere mid-Season in episode 14. So long for the Dean connection.  

We need an "angry" reaction😡😤🤬 

[PAForrest]

38 minutes ago, SueB said:

If I could have figured out how to bring just his post, I would have.  Next time I'll just copy & paste the text & skip the link -- and ask you to trust it came from his feed.  Yes, MP is an ass. I only check for spoilers.

Yeah, I wish he wouldn't inbed his SPN job with his politics, but it is who he is.

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Anticlimactic Michael ending buried somewhere mid-Season in episode 14. So long for the Dean connection.  

So predictable, and yet still very disappointing. I'm guessing Mikey-poo pops out, leaves Dean because he's a pain (which makes zero sense, but whatevs) and goes to someone else he can more easily control (my top guess is most likely Nick because Eugenie's in love), and all the drama with the Box was a waste of an episode.

[ILoveReading]

23 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

Anticlimactic Michael ending buried somewhere mid-Season in episode 14. So long for the Dean connection.  

It seems Michael escapes rather easily too.  Dean gets knocked out by the snake God person. 

"Michael hasn't been idle" is also anticlimatic.  Its just him pounding on the door.

1 minute ago, PAForrest said:

So predictable, and yet still very disappointing. I'm guessing Mikey-poo pops out, leaves Dean because he's a pain (which makes zero sense, but whatevs) and goes to someone else he can more easily control (my top guess is most likely Nick because Eugenie's in love), and all the drama with the Box was a waste of an episode.

We know that Nick is desperate to be possessed again.   So it would make sense.  It might also explain why Nick is deteriorating.

[PAForrest]

2 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

We know that Nick is desperate to be possessed again.   So it would make sense.  It might also explain why Nick is deteriorating.

That's my thought too. Everyone is thinking he gets repossessed by Lucille because of the glowy Empty thing, but I just think that was supposed to be the glowy Empty itself and not Lucille. If not, then that leaves one overly predictable option - Mike. And because Nick is a sociopathic boob, he can't actually handle Mike, just like he couldn't contain Lucille for too long. Could be wrong, but if Mike leaves Dean tonight, the writers are going to want him taking over someone the audience knows through the end of the season.

[Aeryn13]

So maybe from the promo Michael is now in Rowena - because why the hell not, Rowena is totally the vessel type who would say yes - Jackie-poo deals with her while Dean is on the ground in the background.  And he is going with Saviour!Jack on a road trip in ep 15 because reasons.

And ep 19 "Jack in the Box" will be entirely literal.

[ILoveReading]

1 minute ago, Aeryn13 said:

And he is going with Saviour!Jack on a road trip in ep 15 because reasons. 

If Michael is out, then they are going to need another option.  There was the spoiler of something happening that changes everything.  It wouldn't surprise me if the "'old friend" was Kaia Sue Wayward.  Dean takes the spear to her to see if she can fix it. 

It would explain why the episodes had to be filmed out of order.

[ILoveReading]

Sounds like this episode is mostly about Rowena and Jack.

I don't think Rowena will be possessed by Jack, because this makes it sounds like she's becoming another fluffy bunny character.

[Aeryn13]

Okay, yes, that doesn't sound like she gets possessed. But why would Michael disgrace himself with Nick? We've seen him in other vessels. He doesn't need scraps, he could go back to werewolf chick. And why would the little Lucifer-groupie even say yes when he wants Lucy or bust?     

Edited March 7, 2019 by Aeryn13

[SueB]

I ADORE Rowena.  Samwene/Samwitch is ABSOLUTELY  my crackship.  And if I can't have Megstiel, then I'll take Rowstiel (her flirtation with him on the phone last year was yummy).  

I like that we have Dean being so candid with Cas about the challenge he's facing in the clip.  Knowing that Dean's fears come to pass so soon doesn't surprise me.  Dean's got good instincts.  But I imagine AUMichael is so PISSED right now.  I think the first thing he'll do is get outta dodge.  Then he's going to let his rage at TFW (and Dean in particular) cause him to make mistakes.  I suspect that the long-term impact of Dean trapping Michael in his 'mental freezer' will have at least 4 story consequences: 1) Michael won't jump in again quickly; 2) Michael won't kill them immediately because he's going to want to have some sort of payback - death isn't enough; 3) Michael will still be the Big Bad of the season -- this just delays the final conflict; and 4) Michael's need for revenge against Dean & TFW will ultimately be his downfall -- he'll let TFW still be 'on the board' vs kill them immediately -- big mistake on his part.

[SueB]

4 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

Okay, yes, that doesn't sound like she gets possessed. But why would Michael disgrace himself with Nick? We've seen him in other vessels. He doesn't need scraps, he could go back to werewolf chick. And why would the little Lucifer-groupie even say yes when he wants Lucy or bust?     

Luci found having a perma-vessel hard to find (we had half a year of that).  So Nick is a Crowley-made perma-vessel for archangels.  Except not.  Nick was designed for Lucifer -- so housing Michael may be why he's melting later.

Nick needs to go in the box.  

[Aeryn13]

It makes Billie's death book predictions entirely pointless. Michael gets out on a random coincidence and after that just nothing much happens, least of all for Dean. If Michael takes control, he doesn't have to leave Dean. The best revenge would na saying and wreaking havoc.

It's just such a lame ending to Dean's storyline.

[Aeryn13]

7 minutes ago, SueB said:

Luci found having a perma-vessel hard to find (we had half a year of that).  So Nick is a Crowley-made perma-vessel for archangels.  Except not.  Nick was designed for Lucifer -- so housing Michael may be why he's melting later.

Nick needs to go in the box.  

I don't care about Nick, Lucifer or even Michael as long as he is not directly connected to Dean. Nor do I want Michael defeated by anyone other than Dean.

[SueB]

9 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

It makes Billie's death book predictions entirely pointless. Michael gets out on a random coincidence and after that just nothing much happens, least of all for Dean. If Michael takes control, he doesn't have to leave Dean. The best revenge would na saying and wreaking havoc.

It's just such a lame ending to Dean's storyline.

Waaaaay too early to call it the 'end' of Dean's storyline.  Dean Winchester is not going to 'peace out' if Michael gets out.  And this could very well be one of the variations in Billie's death book.  Just because Michael leaves now doesn't mean he won't come back with a way to get back his best vessel. I'm just saying he won't waltz back in thinking he has Dean beat.  He knows beter now.  

[ILoveReading]

Just now, SueB said:

Waaaaay too early to call it the 'end' of Dean's storyline.  Dean Winchester is not going to 'peace out' if Michael gets out.  And this could very well be one of the variations in Billie's death book.  Just because Michael leaves now doesn't mean he won't come back with a way to get back his best vessel. I'm just saying he won't waltz back in thinking he has Dean beat.  He knows beter now.  

I've found the Michael story line mostly back burned/filler all season.   I don't see that changing.   I think the story is building much more towards a Lucifer/Jack showdown.  With Jack going dark side because he's burning off his soul.

I see Sam killing Michael in the back ground, while Jack is secluded by Lucifer setting up season 15.

I don't see them having Dean be possessed a 3rd time.

[Aeryn13]

2 minutes ago, SueB said:

Waaaaay too early to call it the 'end' of Dean's storyline.  Dean Winchester is not going to 'peace out' if Michael gets out.  And this could very well be one of the variations in Billie's death book.  Just because Michael leaves now doesn't mean he won't come back with a way to get back his best vessel. I'm just saying he won't waltz back in thinking he has Dean beat.  He knows beter now.  

I've heard that so many times before, that something interesting was gonna happen and then nothing ever did so at this point this looking like the end very likely makes it the end and it's all Nick now.

[ILoveReading]

Even Michael escaping sounds anti-climatic because it sounds like it happens off screen when Dean is unconscious.    Unless they were filming some new Michael stuff, I predict Dean will wake up and say the pounding is gone and so is Michael.  

Why didn't Michael do what he promised and leave Dean comatose?  Why leave him functioning.  There is no good story reason. 

Then we'll get a throw away line "Michael is out there" And it won't really be a prirorty going forward.

The next two weeks sound like standard MOTW hunts.

[rue721]

What feels anticlimactic to me about Michael just escaping/leaving Dean's head now is -- so what was the significance of him being in there in the first place? We didn't get to learn anything new about Dean from the ordeal. The most insight we got was in the quiet bar setup that Michael created for Dean to keep him mollified. Which was interesting in a way? But kind of small potatoes.

This could also have been (maybe still will be?) an interesting opportunity for Cas and Dean's relationship to change/grow, seeing as you'd think that if you had an angel stuck inside you, the best person to help you through it would be your bff, also an angel?

I feel like there's not a lot of interesting stuff going on plot-wise (SO OVER the whole vessel thing), but there are a lot of interesting setups in terms of character, and...I hope the show at least attempts some emotional depth. Also, what a shame to have such a great cast and then give them nothing to do. I feel like there's not a lot of imagination/playfulness/heart in the show this season, and at this point, I lay it at the producers' and writers' feet. The actors are clearly bringing it and the show looks pretty good this season in terms of aesthetics/atmosphere/etc, but the writing keeps shying away from "going there" or taking any risks or even just taking off in terms of imagination.

[Aeryn13]

I feel pretty stupid now. I actually thought the Michael lock-up would carry through to the Season Finale because it was perfect for having standalones. I even argued that in favour of Dean not being screwed right away. Behold the egg on my face, people.  

[S Cook Productions]

2 hours ago, SueB said:

If I could have figured out how to bring just his post, I would have.  Next time I'll just copy & paste the text & skip the link -- and ask you to trust it came from his feed.  Yes, MP is an ass. I only check for spoilers.

I don’t find him an ass at all. I’ve met him numerous times and he’s always been very sweet and pleasant. In fact, he’s one of both my husband and mine favorite to see at cons. Then again I don’t have Twitter, but from what I’ve heard MC (whom I love- Cas is my fave character!) is way more annoying with the political talking points. Perhaps this should go under Unpopular Opinions, but I wish they wouldn’t go there. I guess it’s their prerogative on twitter, but at cons- people don’t go there to hear their political views. Even the owner of Creation personally told me they tell them to not talk politics but sometimes they don’t listen. 

[Myrelle]

53 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

This is a big problem.  Like last season I can't even describe what this season its about.  Michael is kind of a dud of a bad guy because he never follows through on threats.  His monsters can be taken out rather easily.    Teenagers can literally beat him up.    The storyline has gone is stops and starts and I can't even really say its taking place off screen.  It's been mostly non existent, except filler.   I don't see him as the "big bad"  Dabb and company have contradicted themselves repeated on this point and it shows that no one in the writers room is on the same page with this storyline.

From a spoiler we had earlier with Dabb he either didn't read the script where Cas made a deal, forgot about it or doesn't care about it. 

Jack is a stagnant fuffy bunny.   Even if he goes bad its just because he wants to help people.

Mary is the still on ice queen who only cares about what she wants.

We've had no real new insights into Sam, Dean or Cas or ground we haven't' covered before.  Or its really come out of now where.  Dean wants to open a bar?  Since when?

As much as it pains me to say it, the only storyline that had any kind of logical progression was the Nick story.  We've seen his spinning out of control.   We've gotten POV on why he wants Lucifer back, and from the sounds of it he's going to be in episodes 17-20. 

I don't care one iota about Nick or Lucifer so that storyline gets forwarded.  Even that is a separate story that really doesn't connect to the main characters.  So you can fastforward and not miss anything.

So what is the story I'm supposed to be watching?

At this point the entire season just feels like its spinning its wheels from plot A to plot C to plot M to plot X.  With no connection or real development.

This. So much.

In terms of wasted potential, this season takes the cake,  AFAIC, strictly from the writing stand point. Twelve, 8, and 5 sucked in that way, too.  But the extent to which Dabb and Singer wasted the most Dean fandom anticipated Dean/JA storyline yet again-and this after Kripke/Gamble had done it once before already-should honestly spell the end of this show, IMO. 

If Jensen still has any interest in protecting his character, Dabb should be on his way out the door(again IMO)and Singer and his wife should at least be stepping back big-time, if th Js are still so set and foolish enough to still want to keep him/them around AND if they really do care about the over all quality of the show and especially the writing of it.

Edited March 7, 2019 by Myrelle
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[catrox14]

I'm predicting now, that whilst Dean is unconscious, and Michael apparently slips out, it will to occupy Sam at a later date, like the Mary situation back in Season 3. Michael will tell Sam that he won't destroy Dean if he agrees to b his vessel at a later time if his choosing...for reasons.  Michael will find another temp vessel. And the season finale will be Michael coming back to claim Sam, and then it will end up that the box turns out to be the only solution and look it has to be  Michael!Sam go into the box.I will bet you all the internet dollars this is what happens.

[ILoveReading]

5 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I'm predicting now, that whilst Dean is unconscious, and Michael apparently slips out, it will to occupy Sam at a later date, like the Mary situation back in Season 3. Michael will tell Sam that he won't destroy Dean if he agrees to b his vessel at a later time if his choosing...for reasons.  Michael will find another temp vessel. And the season finale will be Michael coming back to claim Sam, and then it will end up that the box turns out to be the only solution and look it has to be  Michael!Sam go into the box.I will bet you all the internet dollars this is what happens.

Exactly what I predicted at the end of Prophet and Loss.

This has s5 stamped all over it.

[Aeryn13]

10 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I'm predicting now, that whilst Dean is unconscious, and Michael apparently slips out, it will to occupy Sam at a later date, like the Mary situation back in Season 3. Michael will tell Sam that he won't destroy Dean if he agrees to b his vessel at a later time if his choosing...for reasons.  Michael will find another temp vessel. And the season finale will be Michael coming back to claim Sam, and then it will end up that the box turns out to be the only solution and look it has to be  Michael!Sam go into the box.I will bet you all the internet dollars this is what happens.

With Dean`s final point of "you have to let me go when the times comes" turned around on him and not stand in the big hero`s way? Highly likely.   

[ILoveReading]

5 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

With Dean`s final point of "you have to let me go when the times comes" turned around on him and not stand in the big hero`s way? Highly likely.   

Moving this response to bitter spoilers.

Edited March 7, 2019 by ILoveReading

[juppschmitz]

3 hours ago, SueB said:

If I could have figured out how to bring just his post, I would have.  Next time I'll just copy & paste the text & skip the link -- and ask you to trust it came from his feed.  Yes, MP is an ass. I only check for spoilers.

Ah no, no, I'm very glad I'm aware of this now!

[rue721]

3 hours ago, SueB said:

If I could have figured out how to bring just his post, I would have.  Next time I'll just copy & paste the text & skip the link -- and ask you to trust it came from his feed.  Yes, MP is an ass. I only check for spoilers.

6 minutes ago, juppschmitz said:

Ah no, no, I'm very glad I'm aware of this now!

Yeah, I don't think you should edit his tweets, @SueB. The man clearly wants to embarrass himself, so I say go ahead and let him.

[gonzosgirrl]

It makes no sense that Michael would leave Dean and just go on his way. He should, logically, kill Sam, Castiel and Jack immediately, and at the very least leave Dean a drooling mess, a la S5 Raphael, that he could re-inhabit at will.

And Dabb just spoils everything, literally and figuratively. Gah, I can't express the depth with which I loathe him.

[Jonesy]

4 hours ago, SueB said:

http://www.givememyremote.com/remote/2019/03/06/supernatural-michael-spoilers-andrew-dabb/

So Michael is out tonight, I'm guessing. 

Things coming to a boil tonight--yes Michael could be out, could also mean Michael takes control of Dean again.   This is one Dean fan not obsessed with Michael in Dean all the time--so if he goes then FINE.  Dean is always interesting he doesn't need Michael to engulf him to have good story.

Edited March 7, 2019 by Jakes

[gonzosgirrl]

12 minutes ago, Jakes said:

Things coming to a boil tonight--yes Michael could be out, could also mean Michael takes control of Dean again.   This is one Dean fan not obsessed with Michael in Dean all the time--so if he goes then FINE.  DEan is always interesting he doesn't need Michael to engulf him to have good story.

Uhhuh, except there are way too many characters in the show and the showrunner seems intent on giving them all their own story. If Michael in Dean is not Dean's story, then it's doubtful he will have one beyond 'the guy who let Michael out' and caretaker to whoever saves the day. That's not the Dean I want to see.

[Aeryn13]

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Dean is always interesting he doesn't need Michael to engulf him to have good story.

It`s not like Michael has been a particularly good or rather well-told story but at least it was one. If he leaves, there currently doesn`t seem anything left. Though I predict guilt for him over being too weak and not being able to contain Michael.  

[ILoveReading]

If Michael escaped and we got a story of him gaslighting  Dean and tormenting him and showing that, yes he still has plans for his perfect vessel than I wouldn't mind so much if Michael escaped, but this is what was supposed to be happening the first time, but Michael was so bad at it Dean (and most of the audience) didn't notice.   That's why I can't even say the story took place of screen.  It was non-existent.

For a story that was supposed to be the main story (like we were told at comic con). They failed miserably. 

[rue721]

I feel like we've spent SO MUCH TIME on Michael, even though the only thing interesting or new about that character is his relationship with Dean -- that Dean said yes to him and that he's now in Dean's head. So for the payoff to all that be that Dean's like, "OMFG this headache" and a bunch of shots of Michael pounding on a door...Eh. Underwhelming.

Michael is boring and there's nothing to be done about that IMO. But Dean is interesting, so focus on him and his relationship with Michael (and how it affects his other relationships, like with Cas and Jack, who have their own totally different perspectives on angels) and maybe the story could be cool.

And if Dean's out of the picture than I just don't care at all about Michael, and he and the AU folks can go off and do battle somewhere else. Like honestly, who cares. We have our own boring ass angels to deal with, we don't need this extra one.

That said, maybe others are more intrigued by Michael-qua-Michael than I am *shrug*

[Aeryn13]

Re-checked the promo and there is a bit where Dean is going "no...no" as if a realization has just hit him. This is most likely the "wow, Michael is gone" bit. Super-lame. Since 15 and 16 are more standalones - and cool that noone would think that searching for Michael would be a new priority - I guess they`d randomely reveal in ep 17 "Game Night" that Nick now houses Michael? And play him through 17-20, fabulous.

Also, Jack is not going bad since the press release for 16 says he wants to impress his new friends aka the obnoxious teens. Since the latest article spoiled that Rowena won`t go bad either, this stand-off will be really pointless. Probably a quick fix-it for the soul-burning.   

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Michael is boring and there's nothing to be done about that IMO. But Dean is interesting, so focus on him and his relationship with Michael (and how it affects his other relationships, like with Cas and Jack, who have their own totally different perspectives on angels) and maybe the story could be cool.

I think the bit about being so incensed with God for being a writer and the little failed drafts - something that he would have pieced together by info gotten from Dean`s head - had potential. In general, I do think Michael could have potential but not as underwritten as he is. I loved his snarky little ass in episode 10.

But in general I agree, if he is not connected to Dean, I really don`t give a crap. They could have done so much with Michael in his head. Instead nothing happened. Sam got to make some emotional speeches to Dean and than to John so ironically his character benefited more from it than Dean did.      

Edited March 7, 2019 by Aeryn13

[Jonesy]

41 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

It`s not like Michael has been a particularly good or rather well-told story but at least it was one. If he leaves, there currently doesn`t seem anything left. Though I predict guilt for him over being too weak and not being able to contain Michael.  

This is where I always disagreed with a segment of Dean fans--Dean is the center of the show and drama regardless, always...So for me he doesn't need Michael.  

[Aeryn13]

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So for me he doesn't need Michael.  

Michael, specifically? No. I agree with that. But he does need something or else we`re in Season 8.B or 12. Shudders.