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[ILoveReading]

Supernatural - Episode 14.03 - The Scar

Supernatural - Episode 14.04 - Mint Condition Supernatural -

Episode 14.05 - Nightmare Logic Supernatural -

Episode 14.06 - Curious Cravings Supernatural -

Episode 14.07 - Unhuman Nature

Rumored episode titles.

[Myrelle]

The Scar sounds interesting.

Maybe Michael knows a way to "tether" himself to Dean while letting Dean remain himself until Michael truly needs him again thus fulfilling his end of the bargain, in a way.

Sort of like leftover grace.

Edited July 25, 2018 by Myrelle

[ILoveReading]

2 minutes ago, Myrelle said:

The Scar sounds interesting.

Maybe Michael knows a way to "tether" himself to Dean while letting Dean remain himself until Michael truly needs him again thus fulfilling his end of the bargain, in a way.

Sort of like leftover grace.

I think this is a Wayward sisters ep.    Dabb confirmed that Kim Rhodes is in this episode.  I saw a post on Tumblr that Kaia is also rumored to be in this ep.

Take with a grain of salt as the source was IMDB. 

[Myrelle]

1 minute ago, ILoveReading said:

I think this is a Wayward sisters ep.    Dabb confirmed that Kim Rhodes is in this episode.  I saw a post on Tumblr that Kaia is also rumored to be in this ep.

Take with a grain of salt as the source was IMDB. 

Oh. :-/

[Res]

2 hours ago, Myrelle said:

The Scar sounds interesting.

Maybe Michael knows a way to "tether" himself to Dean while letting Dean remain himself until Michael truly needs him again thus fulfilling his end of the bargain, in a way.

Sort of like leftover grace.

I wish! But it's more than likely 

 

2 hours ago, ILoveReading said:

I think this is a Wayward sisters ep.    Dabb confirmed that Kim Rhodes is in this episode.  I saw a post on Tumblr that Kaia is also rumored to be in this ep.

Take with a grain of salt as the source was IMDB. 

Ugh! If I had the time, I'd probably write a strongly worded letter. (like that would do any good, but it might make me feel better. Doubt it, though.)

[ILoveReading]

This confirms to me that Michael Dean will be told in flashbacks

[Casseiopeia]

From TVLine...

Supernatural‘s Dean is supposed to be awake and aware of Michael’s possession. Will we get any internal Dean vs. Michael scenes? –Adder
“We’ll see Dean putting up a fight, but it’s a really hard fight to win,” co-showrunner Andrew Dabb says. “But Dean’s a fighter. He’s going to try to get out even if it doesn’t quite go his way.” As for how that struggle will look, visually, Dabb says, “We have a couple of different approaches to it. Some are very much like he looks into a mirror, and some are going into people’s heads. It’s dependent on the story.”

[Jonesy]

38 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

This confirms to me that Michael Dean will be told in flashbacks

Meh, still think we get 6 Michael/Dean episodes then flashbacks.

[ILoveReading]

If true that episode 3 is going to be a wayward episode I'm guessing they'll need Dean back for it.

[gonzosgirrl]

1 hour ago, Casseiopeia said:

co-showrunner Andrew Dabb says. “But Dean’s a fighter. He’s going to try to get out even if it doesn’t quite go his way.”

Considering the way Dabb and his writers have portrayed Dean, I'm more than a little scared to see what his definition of 'doesn't quite go his way' looks like.

[Casseiopeia]

Is there a thread here for fan made videos.  I came across a video that is a great portrait of Dean.  Does anyone like watching them?

[gonzosgirrl]

12 minutes ago, Casseiopeia said:

Is there a thread here for fan made videos.  I came across a video that is a great portrait of Dean.  Does anyone like watching them?

They have been posted in the Fan Fiction thread. If it's truly Dean-centric, maybe the Squirrel thread?

[Aeryn13]

3 hours ago, ILoveReading said:

This confirms to me that Michael Dean will be told in flashbacks

Yup, the real time story will be over by ep 2 - Dabb said something that IMO implied that specific number - and then the flashbacks. My guess is the flashbacks last to ep 6 and then it's done.

[catrox14]

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Supernatural shoots scenes for episode 1401 with several cast in the Strathcona Area last week.

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THIS BLOG POST IS FOR "SUPERNATURAL" EPISODE 1401  TITLED "STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND" AND MAY CONTAIN POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR THE EPISODE. If you have not seen this episode yet and want to avoid any possible spoilers for it, DO NOT continue reading or viewing the photos below.
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Supernatural did scenes last week with a few of the cast and guest stars. Much of the shooting seemed to include the stunt team. But some of the stars were also on set at different points of the shoot.

Misha Collins, Jim Beaver, Samantha Smith, Alexander Calvert joined 1 of the shows 14 season veterans Jared Padalecki at the set. Guest star Dean Armstrong joined them as well.

Whatever they were shooting inside the small vacant property wedged between a bar/hotel and a restaurant is unknown.... but it certainly didnt seem to be going well for Castiel or Bobby, as Misha, Jim and their doubles were seen covered in blood and bruises.

During breaks, Misha, Jim and Dean all came over to see people at different points of the day.

[Bobcatkitten]

Yeah, both Dabb and Jensen said there would be a healthy dose of flashbacks - we just don't know how many episodes will be real-time.

[Aeryn13]

Dabb in one of the roundtables literally said "it will not be over at the end of the second episode". That was before the flashback info came out so now I believe it was supposed to be wink wink nudge nudge and the end of the second episode marks Dean being back and the "not being over" part are the flashbacks. 

Though I don`t know why they would do flashbacks in the first place. I mean with Purgatory, they nominally did them because of the ongoing "where is Cas and why didn`t he come back" mystery. I don`t think that worked spectacularly well but you could say that since Cas wasn`t around in real time, it did have the element of suspense. 

The Michael storyline doesn`t lend itself to that. Once Dean is back, he is back. The mystery is over. Dabb said they would do different things to depict Dean struggling with the possession. We know Michael has that scene with the muslim man and one with Anael. I think this will be it for the Premiere. Probably somewhat more in ep 2 if at the end he is already back as Dean. 

So then what, do we see him struggle in flashbacks? That would be utterly pointless because at that point we know when exactly he came back - and when he didn`t. And which mystery is there? If Dean remembers, he remembers so it`s not like a Memento-storyline mystery either. 

I really have no interest that by episode 3 we`re wasting time already on a character from a failed spin-off project.  

[ILoveReading]

15 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

Though I don`t know why they would do flashbacks in the first place. I mean with Purgatory, they nominally did them because of the ongoing "where is Cas and why didn`t he come back" mystery. I don`t think that worked spectacularly well but you could say that since Cas wasn`t around in real time, it did have the element of suspense. 

With purgatory there was the mystery of why Cas didn't get out and Dean did and how he got out.  So there was some point to the flashbacks.  They at least advanced the story.

But Dabb didn't shy away from discussing Michael's agenda.  So there is no mystery there.  Flashbacks to what Michael did aren't really going to be anymore tension filled because we already know what Michael is doing.  He's testing people's worthiness.  Im guessing if lacking he kills them.

Why not make the MOTW the flashbacks and tell the Michael story in real time.

[Bobcatkitten]

The simple reason for bringing Dean back is they are afraid to separate him and Sam for too long. And it is a fine line for fans. Some will love it and some will hate it. I think this is them trying to split the baby - have Jensen play Michael but continue the storyline longer through flashbacks. 

[companionenvy]

1 hour ago, Aeryn13 said:

So then what, do we see him struggle in flashbacks? That would be utterly pointless because at that point we know when exactly he came back - and when he didn`t. And which mystery is there? If Dean remembers, he remembers so it`s not like a Memento-storyline mystery either. 

It isn't pointless if it deals with the psychological fallout for Dean.  I know a lot of us regret that the show didn't do more with Dean's hell-time. Having Dean have flashbacks to being possessed by Michael wouldn't be any more pointless than Dean having hell flashbacks to his time with Alistair would have been.

It is also possible that Dean remembers, but not with 100% clarity. If Michael is keeping him mostly suppressed, but Dean is fighting to stay aware, it would stand to reason that Dean wouldn't  recall everything that Michael had done. That could potentially be highly relevant to the plot, as Dean might have the key to figuring out what Michael was up to somewhere in his mind, but not be able to consciously access it. 

I'd still like Mean to exist in real-time for longer than two episodes, but if we get substantial flashbacks, that's not a terrible compromise, IMO. 

[Bobcatkitten]

13 hours ago, Casseiopeia said:

Is there a thread here for fan made videos.  I came across a video that is a great portrait of Dean.  Does anyone like watching them?

Is this the one? I just saw this and it's awesome. 

[Casseiopeia]

1 minute ago, Bobcatkitten said:

Is this the one? I just saw this and it's awesome. 

No it wasn't that one but that was AWESOME!!

[Myrelle]

2 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

Dabb in one of the roundtables literally said "it will not be over at the end of the second episode". That was before the flashback info came out so now I believe it was supposed to be wink wink nudge nudge and the end of the second episode marks Dean being back and the "not being over" part are the flashbacks. 

Yeah, I had the exact same thought when he said that and then the info came out about the flashbacks.

I hope that this isn't going to be yet another strictly emo storyline for Dean and JA-and especially not one where "schooling" him on anything regarding being possessed is involved or concerned, but I fear that is exactly where they will take this storyline and it may be the only reason that it was allowed to see the light of day.

[BabySpinach]

42 minutes ago, companionenvy said:

It isn't pointless if it deals with the psychological fallout for Dean.  I know a lot of us regret that the show didn't do more with Dean's hell-time. Having Dean have flashbacks to being possessed by Michael wouldn't be any more pointless than Dean having hell flashbacks to his time with Alistair would have been.

It is also possible that Dean remembers, but not with 100% clarity. If Michael is keeping him mostly suppressed, but Dean is fighting to stay aware, it would stand to reason that Dean wouldn't  recall everything that Michael had done. That could potentially be highly relevant to the plot, as Dean might have the key to figuring out what Michael was up to somewhere in his mind, but not be able to consciously access it. 

I'd still like Mean to exist in real-time for longer than two episodes, but if we get substantial flashbacks, that's not a terrible compromise, IMO. 

I definitely hope that the flashbacks will relate to the present for plot reasons. As far as we know, Michael is the main antagonist of the season, which means that however they expell him from Dean will not send him to the cage to be dropped from the story. If he's still around, the flashbacks will ideally interact with that.

What I DON'T want is for the flashbacks to only serve as additional fuel for miserable, self-flagellating Dean. And there'd better be multiple people reminding him that if he hadn't said yes to Michael, none of them would even be there.

[catrox14]

32 minutes ago, companionenvy said:

It isn't pointless if it deals with the psychological fallout for Dean.  I know a lot of us regret that the show didn't do more with Dean's hell-time. Having Dean have flashbacks to being possessed by Michael wouldn't be any more pointless than Dean having hell flashbacks to his time with Alistair would have been.

We basically already know what it's like being possessed by an angel to some degree because of the Lucifer vs Sam scenes in s5 and the Gadreel vs Sam scenes in s8. 

Back in s4, nothing was known about Hell and it's torments and what Dean experienced so there was complete mystery around that and there was the longer game mystery of the seals and learning that Dean broke the first seal because he was tortured into doing so there was mystery around that.

There is no real mystery now that Dabb has revealed Michael's plan. The only unknowns are who he recruits and what he does with the others and I don't see how interesting that will be unless it's with some past characters who many if not most are already really most sincerely dead. Would Michael try to raise the dead?  Michael can surely time travel, maybe he goes back to the past to talk with past characters to try and alter their fates to end up where he wants them to be?  That would be cool.

Or maybe Michael rifles through Dean's mind and finds all the people that are still alive that Dean knows, like hunters and thinks they might be good recruits, like maybe he goes to visit Jody, Donna, Garth..etc. 

[companionenvy]

4 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Back in s4, nothing was known about Hell and it's torments and what Dean experienced so there was complete mystery around that and there was the longer game mystery of the seals and learning that Dean broke the first seal because he was tortured into doing so there was mystery around that.

There is no real mystery now that Dabb has revealed Michael's plan. The only unknowns are who he recruits and what he does with the others and I don't see how interesting that will be unless it's with some past characters who many if not most are already really most sincerely dead. Would Michael try to raise the dead?  Michael can surely time travel, maybe he goes back to the past to talk with past characters to try and alter their fates to end up where he wants them to be?  That would be cool.

Or maybe Michael rifles through Dean's mind and finds all the people that are still alive that Dean knows, like hunters and thinks they might be good recruits, like maybe he goes to visit Jody, Donna, Garth..etc. 

I still think that once we knew the outline of what happened to Dean in hell, there really wasn't any plot reason to revisit that. There was an emotional reason to revisit it. 

But I'm also still guessing that if we're getting Mean flashbacks, it will ultimately have a plot purpose. Michael's basic plan might not be a secret, but he's presumably keeping the details of how he intends to achieve it close to the chest. Only since that also means he's keeping it close to Dean's chest, Dean flashing back to memories he's only half-conscious of in the presence of certain triggers could be really crucial. 

[Aeryn13]

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It isn't pointless if it deals with the psychological fallout for Dean. 

If it`s not advancing the plot, to me it really is pointless. And I`m not a fan of emo blather for the sake of emo blather. They did that enough with Dean to last 10 lifetimes. What I hoped from the Michael storyline were badass moments but if it`s over after 2 episodes and "psychological fallout" is code for "weak and diminished" afterwards, no thanks. Especially in light of Leader!Sam. If we get Dean back and it`s only Dean from Season 8.B or 12, keep him forever.  

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There is no real mystery now that Dabb has revealed Michael's plan. The only unknowns are who he recruits and what he does with the others and I don't see how interesting that will be unless it's with some past characters who many if not most are already really most sincerely dead. Would Michael try to raise the dead? 

I think he is just talking to random characters. Dabb said he wants to build a power base but obviously the angels are a no-go. Demons might be ripe for the picking with no leadership but even Lucifer had the "ewww, those guys" angel reaction to demons and he was the one who made them. Michael strikes me as even more classisist. Monsters? Another possibility but they have never been really franchised with angels before. That leaves humans. Which he could turn against each other, I guess but other than strength in numbers, they really don`t bring much as a power base. He alone has more powers than the inhabitants of an entire continent. 

[Jonesy]

2 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

Dabb in one of the roundtables literally said "it will not be over at the end of the second episode". That was before the flashback info came out so now I believe it was supposed to be wink wink nudge nudge and the end of the second episode marks Dean being back and the "not being over" part are the flashbacks. 

Though I don`t know why they would do flashbacks in the first place. I mean with Purgatory, they nominally did them because of the ongoing "where is Cas and why didn`t he come back" mystery. I don`t think that worked spectacularly well but you could say that since Cas wasn`t around in real time, it did have the element of suspense. 

The Michael storyline doesn`t lend itself to that. Once Dean is back, he is back. The mystery is over. Dabb said they would do different things to depict Dean struggling with the possession. We know Michael has that scene with the muslim man and one with Anael. I think this will be it for the Premiere. Probably somewhat more in ep 2 if at the end he is already back as Dean. 

So then what, do we see him struggle in flashbacks? That would be utterly pointless because at that point we know when exactly he came back - and when he didn`t. And which mystery is there? If Dean remembers, he remembers so it`s not like a Memento-storyline mystery either. 

I really have no interest that by episode 3 we`re wasting time already on a character from a failed spin-off project.  

Dabb never said Michael/Dean will end early and then we get flashbacks very soon--just over analysis imo.  And look--what Dabb says about Dean actually indicates Michael/Dean lasts a while--talking about how we see Dean in the mirror and in his friends minds...when you add to Jensen saying he can't have beard this is why, Jensen will be Michael/Dean for some time and so when he is Dean poking thru they both need to be beardless. 

[Aeryn13]

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And look--what Dabb says about Dean actually indicates Michael/Dean lasts a while--talking about how we see Dean in the mirror and in his friends minds...when you add to Jensen saying he can't have beard this is why, Jensen will be Michael/Dean for some time and so when he is Dean poking thru they both need to be beardless. 

I took it to mean that Michael!Dean couldn`t have the beard for flashback reasons. If Dean is back and clean-shaven, he can`t be flashing back all the time to a bearded state, it would be far too much work for shooting episodes that has him do both scenes. Unless someone wants to do the WTF-scenario that was the Justice League reshoots with Henry Cavill`s mustache.  

[BabySpinach]

4 minutes ago, Jakes said:

Dabb never said Michael/Dean will end early and then we get flashbacks very soon--just over analysis imo.  And look--what Dabb says about Dean actually indicates Michael/Dean lasts a while--talking about how we see Dean in the mirror and in his friends minds...when you add to Jensen saying he can't have beard this is why, Jensen will be Michael/Dean for some time and so when he is Dean poking thru they both need to be beardless. 

That's an interesting interpretation of Jensen's reason for no beard. I took it to be that Dean would be back right away, meaning that any flashbacks they filmed would be impossible if Michael had a beard and they had to go back and forth between the two characters.

I support your optimism, though. Someone needs to keep the faith around here lol.

[Jonesy]

3 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

I took it to mean that Michael!Dean couldn`t have the beard for flashback reasons. If Dean is back and clean-shaven, he can`t be flashing back all the time to a bearded state, it would be far too much work for shooting episodes that has him do both scenes. Unless someone wants to do the WTF-scenario that was the Justice League reshoots with Henry Cavill`s mustache.  

If Dean is Michael only briefly live-time there would be little need to have him poke thru and be in mirrors imo.  Plus if it really was brief he could start with a beard then shave a little later for flashbacks.

[ILoveReading]

Given the interviews I watched, its seems like Buck/Lemming/singer and Dabb are writing two different storylines.  Dabb says he'll be around for while the others say it won't be that long before Dean is back. 

So Im not really sure if the right hand knows what the left is doing.   So I'll believe things when I see them on screen.  Dabb has said things before that haven't materialized.    Being in Dean's head, and mirror scenes can be done as flashbacks too. 

I keep wishing it was the MOTW episdoses that were flashbacks but with Jared having a beard it seems to cancel out that possibility.

[Jonesy]

4 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

Given the interviews I watched, its seems like Buck/Lemming/singer and Dabb are writing two different storylines.  Dabb says he'll be around for while the others say it won't be that long before Dean is back. 

So Im not really sure if the right hand knows what the left is doing.   So I'll believe things when I see them on screen.  Dabb has said things before that haven't materialized.    Being in Dean's head, and mirror scenes can be done as flashbacks too. 

I keep wishing it was the MOTW episdoses that were flashbacks but with Jared having a beard it seems to cancel out that possibility.

I also add that Sam as bearded points to Dean gone and Sam stressed out which also is why he's leading while Dean is gone--don't think they are doing all this Sam stuff in flashbacks.  Seriously see it as a decent amount of live Michael/Dean.   And I think Cas probably gets all beat up by live Michael/Dean in episode one. 

[Aeryn13]

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If Dean is Michael only briefly live-time there would be little need to have him poke thru and be in mirrors imo.  Plus if it really was brief he could start with a beard then shave a little later for flashbacks.

If the meat of the storyline is told through flashbacks, this is where the mirrors etc will be also. Which will lack suspense but they can do it. As for the beard, they would likely leave it one way: have Michael!Dean have a beard till he is no longer Michael!Dean. In which case either Dean would keep the beard or you can`t do flashbacks later. 

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And I think Cas probably gets all beat up by live Michael/Dean in episode one. 

I`m not sure they shot scenes together yet. And Jensen only seemed to have worked two days for the Premiere. That would account for that one scene they showed at Comic Con (which goes on longer in terms of a fight) and the scene with Anael. 

There might be a new supernatural player who bruises Cas (and Bobby).

Edited July 27, 2018 by Aeryn13

[Myrelle]

10 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

There might be a new supernatural player who bruises Cas (and Bobby).

Dean Armstrong tweeted something about being from hell or something like that. 

My money is on him being the one who beats the snot out of Cas and Bobby.

[Jonesy]

16 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

If the meat of the storyline is told through flashbacks, this is where the mirrors etc will be also. Which will lack suspense but they can do it. As for the beard, they would likely leave it one way: have Michael!Dean have a beard till he is no longer Michael!Dean. In which case either Dean would keep the beard or you can`t do flashbacks later. 

I`m not sure they shot scenes together yet. And Jensen only seemed to have worked two days for the Premiere. That would account for that one scene they showed at Comic Con (which goes on longer in terms of a fight) and the scene with Anael. 

There might be a new supernatural player who bruises Cas (and Bobby).

 

Still say mirror and poking thru his friend's minds make more sense with live-action and not all flashbacks.  As does bearded and leader Sam.   And Jensen did say essentially that Michael/Dean lasts longer than he originally thought.

Edited July 27, 2018 by Jakes

[catrox14]

37 minutes ago, Myrelle said:

Dean Armstrong tweeted something about being from hell or something like that. 

My money is on him being the one who beats the snot out of Cas and Bobby.

Maybe he's yet another Prince of Hell.  Sure they said there were only 4 but when does continuity matter to this show...LOL

[Bobcatkitten]

5 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Maybe he's yet another Prince of Hell.  Sure they said there were only 4 but when does continuity matter to this show...LOL

He could be a garden-variety demon for all we know. It takes nothing to beat Cas up anymore. He went from being an all-powerful being to nothing. Pick a middle ground guys! He should have some consistent powers and shouldn't be beaten up constantly. 

[ILoveReading]

2 hours ago, Jakes said:

And I think Cas probably gets all beat up by live Michael/Dean in episode one. 

   Jensen mentioned that he hadn't filmed with Jared yet.   Set photos showed Cas on set with Jared, Sam Smith and Bobby.  So it couldn't have been Michael. 

I think its going to be some new character that Cas tries to form an alliance with.  My guess is an upstart Demon who wants to take over hell.

I'm guessing this guy. 

https://justanotheridijiton.tumblr.com/post/176323489054/a-rare-unusual-specimen-a-tweet-by-thomas-j

It looks like they're dressing Crowley 3.0 in purple this year

Edited July 27, 2018 by ILoveReading

[catrox14]

Happy that Steve Yockey is still writing for them.

[SueB]

A fan got a tour of the show.  Pictures were with Jared, Misha, Alex, Jim, & Sam Smith.  And in the bunker. No Jensen. Seems to me Jensen is off filming mostly by himself.  Which probably cuts down on film days for BOTH Jared & Jensen as it's a divide and conquer thing.  But I bet that gets old real quick.  J2 kinda need each other up there.  

[Bobcatkitten]

24 minutes ago, SueB said:

A fan got a tour of the show.  Pictures were with Jared, Misha, Alex, Jim, & Sam Smith.  And in the bunker. No Jensen. Seems to me Jensen is off filming mostly by himself.  Which probably cuts down on film days for BOTH Jared & Jensen as it's a divide and conquer thing.  But I bet that gets old real quick.  J2 kinda need each other up there.  

Yeah in a few weeks I would love for someone to ask Jensen and Jared what it's like not filming with each other as much. I think they really compliment each other and not sure it works well this way. Could be why Jared was having such a rough time last week. 

[Myrelle]

2 hours ago, Bobcatkitten said:

Yeah in a few weeks I would love for someone to ask Jensen and Jared what it's like not filming with each other as much. I think they really compliment each other and not sure it works well this way. Could be why Jared was having such a rough time last week. 

Sorry, but I don't see how or why this should affect storylines and if it does, it's questionable storytelling to me. JMO, as always.

Edited July 28, 2018 by Myrelle

[Myrelle]

And FWIW, I think Jensen's acting compliments anyone's-even the unknown OCs that he plays opposite at times.

IOW, this is not a good reason to cut short the Mean storyline in real time. Not IMO, anyway.

Edited July 28, 2018 by Myrelle

[Res]

3 hours ago, SueB said:

A fan got a tour of the show.  Pictures were with Jared, Misha, Alex, Jim, & Sam Smith.  And in the bunker. No Jensen. Seems to me Jensen is off filming mostly by himself.  Which probably cuts down on film days for BOTH Jared & Jensen as it's a divide and conquer thing.  But I bet that gets old real quick.  J2 kinda need each other up there.  

Just curious, are you saying that Jared and Jensen have to have each other up there in order to work and if they are not together, 

3 hours ago, Bobcatkitten said:

 Could be why Jared was having such a rough time last week. 

If so, then one wonders how they ever managed to have separate lives prior to meeting each other. 

This is one of those things that people say that boggles my mind. I'm sure that they like working with each other but to say that one of them will show actual signs of falling apart without the other is IMO worst than confining Sam and Dean into that state. At least Sam and Dean are fictional. But of course it's all my opinion. YMMV.

[SueB]

7 hours ago, Res said:

Just curious, are you saying that Jared and Jensen have to have each other up there in order to work and if they are not together, 

If so, then one wonders how they ever managed to have separate lives prior to meeting each other. 

This is one of those things that people say that boggles my mind. I'm sure that they like working with each other but to say that one of them will show actual signs of falling apart without the other is IMO worst than confining Sam and Dean into that state. At least Sam and Dean are fictional. But of course it's all my opinion. YMMV.

Well that escalated quickly!

To clarify:

- J2 have said, too many times than I can remember, that keeping the set light and fun by goofing around between takes is a contributor to why the show has aired so long. 

- After 13 years they have an established rhythm and not shooting together disrupts that. 

- In sum, I was implying that it’s simply more fun for them.  That’s it.  No codependency or anything else.  

Regarding @Bobcatkitten ‘s comment — I think Jared having a rough birthday is likely based on many things.  I didn’t say the comment, but I can also see how a shifting work dynamic might be a contributor.  

 

I think its a bridge too far to suggest it’s a major deal.  In short ‘kinda’ ‘bummed’.  (Show quote) maybe how they feel if they can’t goof around together.  

Edited July 28, 2018 by SueB

[Bobcatkitten]

Of course they can work without each other. They are amazing actors. I was just saying it would change the dynamic that they have been used to for 13 years and might be a bit of a kink that takes getting used to.

[catrox14]

Holy shit. Holy shit. Holy shit. 

Jensen looks amazing and nothing Dean-like about this.  He looks SO GOOD!!! SOOOOO GOOOD! Ah, I can't wait for a clip!!!

ETA:  Just look how he holds himself.  Dean is always slightly hunching.  Michael!Dean has his shoulders back and is carrying himself like he does fucking own the universe.  EEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[devlin]

Wow! What an insanely gorgeous man! He is just standing there and he looks completely different to dean! 

[ILoveReading]

He looks like he just stepped of the set of Peaky Blinders.  (Jensen needs to guest star on that show.)

Not a trace of Dean in that pic.  He looks almost regal.  Which is how Michael should looks.

[BabySpinach]

7 hours ago, catrox14 said:

Holy shit. Holy shit. Holy shit. 

Jensen looks amazing and nothing Dean-like about this.  He looks SO GOOD!!! SOOOOO GOOOD! Ah, I can't wait for a clip!!!

ETA:  Just look how he holds himself.  Dean is always slightly hunching.  Michael!Dean has his shoulders back and is carrying himself like he does fucking own the universe.  EEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HOLY SHIT! First thing in the morning I see, it's going to be a good day!

Jensen NEEDS to do other roles in the future. Even after every possible emotion he's played as Dean, this picture makes me feel like he's barely scratched the surface of his potential.

ETA: I honestly never noticed how he slightly hunched as Dean. I guess I just assumed it was Jensen's natural posture, and it also suited Dean to look a little more burly and battle-ready at all times. But the thought that he's put into Michael, from the way he stands and the slower way he talks to the wider, unblinking eyes-- UGH! Cast him in everything, damn it! He works so hard!

Edited August 1, 2018 by BabySpinach