Spoilers With Speculation

catrox14 · October 26, 2016

20 minutes ago, SueB said:

A bad employee at the Gas & Sip? Just Kidding.

I think they'll have to break canon for this one, unless she's over 2000 years old. Because Cas hadn't been on earth for 2000 years before he gripped Dean tight and raised him from Perdition. So, either a really old witch or something else. Plain human would surprise me.

Maybe she's an angel who worked for Zachariah or Naomi who participated in Cas' reprogramming stints, then fell to Earth and remained living as a human.

Edited October 26, 2016 by catrox14

AwesomO4000 · October 26, 2016

But if she is an angel, she shouldn't have a last name. It's the last name that is throwing me. Because even if she was an angel that had a last name as an alias, her real character name would be an angel name of some sort... which wouldn't include a last name.

catrox14 · October 26, 2016

3 minutes ago, AwesomO4000 said:

But if she is an angel, she shouldn't have a last name. It's the last name that is throwing me. Because even if she was an angel that had a last name as an alias, her real character name would be an angel name of some sort... which wouldn't include a last name.

Maybe they just want to release the alias she's using until the episode reveals "SURPRISE" she's an angel.

Demented Daisy · October 26, 2016

Another Anna Milton?

Morrigan2575 · October 26, 2016

11 hours ago, rue721 said:

I doubt she's a get. I watch TWD and I don't even remember who she was on that show. To be fair, I'm not a huge fan of TWD or anything but come on.

But that's the thing. Her appearance on TWD was heavily publicized/promoted. I didn't even know who she was but, Access Freaking Hollywood was talking about her appearance on TWD as if this was a huge deal. Imagine my surprise when her big heavily promoted appearance on TWD was a one and done.

If she was a "get" for TWD, I would think the same for SPN. I just wasn't sure since the CW has a different audience than AMC

Edited October 26, 2016 by Morrigan2575

DittyDotDot · October 26, 2016

9 hours ago, SueB said:

A bad employee at the Gas & Sip? Just Kidding.

I think they'll have to break canon for this one, unless she's over 2000 years old. Because Cas hadn't been on earth for 2000 years before he gripped Dean tight and raised him from Perdition. So, either a really old witch or something else. Plain human would surprise me.

It could be her vessel's name? I mean, Anna Milton was the name her "parents" gave her when she was reborn as a human, but Cass and Uriel called her Anna as though that was her name as an angel. We never learned her angel name, did we? Even past-Uriel called her Anna. Which now that I think about it, that's weird because he's calling her by a name she hadn't even been given yet. Hmm?

Anyway, it could be she's a bizzarro Anna, of sorts. I mean, Anna wasn't really an enemy to Cass, not really.

Or it simply could be she is a monster of some kind we've never seen before?

ETA: Never mind, didn't see another page. I see @Demented Daisy already went there and did it in less words. I should've known! ;)

Edited October 26, 2016 by DittyDotDot

auntvi · October 26, 2016

I liked Alicia Witt in Justified, she might be interesting opposite Castiel. She's not young & insipid, so she's automatically an improvement over Ladywhat'sherface. JMO

ed: Since she's not the usual CW young knockout, I hope that doesn't mean she plays a crone!

Edited October 26, 2016 by auntvi

Demented Daisy · October 27, 2016

Damn you, Dabb.

goldy · October 27, 2016

RulerofallIsurvey · October 27, 2016

HMSS (Her Majesty's Secret Suckbags) instead of BMOL it is! Thanks Dean! :)

goldy · October 27, 2016

SUPERNATURAL 12×04 “American Nightmare” Photos:

http://www.screenspy.com/articles/supernatural-12x04-american-nightmare-photos/nggallery/image/sn1204b_0116b/

Diane · October 27, 2016

Sweater Dean is far more sexy than he should be.

Ugh, bad humans scare the hell out of me.

Edited October 27, 2016 by Diane

Demented Daisy · October 27, 2016

Oh dear. Are they trying to be therapists again?

RulerofallIsurvey · October 27, 2016

1 hour ago, Diane said:

Sweater Dean is far more sexy than he should be.

17 minutes ago, Demented Daisy said:

Oh dear. Are they trying to be therapists again?

Lol! I was just thinking the same things!

Please tell me that is not Sam tied up AGAIN. And I guess Dean/Mom have to come rescue him AGAIN.

1 hour ago, Diane said:

Ugh, bad humans scare the hell out of me.

I actually find the bad humans much scarier than the 'regular' monsters.

Diane · October 27, 2016

5 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

Please tell me that is not Sam tied up AGAIN. And I guess Dean/Mom have to come rescue him AGAIN.

I actually find the bad humans much scarier than the 'regular' monsters.

I agree with Sam. Yes, bad humans are much worse than the "regular' monsters at least to me.

goldy · October 27, 2016

30 minutes ago, Demented Daisy said:

Oh dear. Are they trying to be therapists again?

I think I read a spoiler somewhere that they are pretending to be social workers in this episode.

catrox14 · October 27, 2016

5 hours ago, Demented Daisy said:

Damn you, Dabb.

This will only be worthwhile if Jensen gets to rap it like he did in Vegas.

Demented Daisy · October 27, 2016

2 minutes ago, goldy said:

I think I read a spoiler somewhere that they are pretending to be social workers in this episode.

Hmm. Meh, whatever works.

Anyone know when this was filmed? How those two don't melt in all those layers is beyond me. (Early in the season, anyway.)

catrox14 · October 27, 2016

1 hour ago, Diane said:

Sweater Dean is far more sexy than he should be.

Ugh, bad humans scare the hell out of me.

I was not looking at his sweater...LOL O_O

Also, he's looking quite beefy as in solid. I mean he has a sweater and shirt and his arm muscles are really popping. Dang.

Edited October 27, 2016 by catrox14

goldy · October 27, 2016

Just now, Demented Daisy said:

Hmm. Meh, whatever works.

Anyone know when this was filmed? How those two don't melt in all those layers is beyond me. (Early in the season, anyway.)

It was filmed around the time they were doing the EW cover shoot. Around the end of August if i'm not mistaken.

catrox14 · October 27, 2016

So is Cas staying at the Bunker now too, or did he just show up to say he was going to Cleveland instead of you know, calling? That was weird. LOL

Demented Daisy · October 27, 2016

10 minutes ago, goldy said:

It was filmed around the time they were doing the EW cover shoot. Around the end of August if i'm not mistaken.

Yikes. Good thing I never pursued acting after high school (apart from some community theatre in my 20's). I would have passed out if I had to stand there in a sweater, in August!

DittyDotDot · October 27, 2016

17 minutes ago, Demented Daisy said:

Yikes. Good thing I never pursued acting after high school (apart from some community theatre in my 20's). I would have passed out if I had to stand there in a sweater, in August!

Eh, it's Vancouver. Even when it's warm, it's cold! ;)

2 hours ago, Diane said:

Ugh, bad humans scare the hell out of me.

I love a good creepy human story. I can't wait. Besides, those pictures have me really excited. The overall look of the show so far this season is really working for me.

But, forget about that sweater...did you notice Dean's plaid slacks? It's the little details that make them such good con-artists! ;)

Diane · October 27, 2016

1 hour ago, DittyDotDot said:

Eh, it's Vancouver. Even when it's warm, it's cold! ;)

I love a good creepy human story. I can't wait. Besides, those pictures have me really excited. The overall look of the show so far this season is really working for me.

But, forget about that sweater...did you notice Dean's plaid slacks? It's the little details that make them such good con-artists! ;)

Good grief not sure how I missed the pants, lol.

catrox14 · October 27, 2016

8 minutes ago, Diane said:

Good grief not sure how I missed the pants, lol.

I noticed the... pants before anything else...LOL

Demented Daisy · October 28, 2016

I'm going to move this to the media thread because there's nothing "spoiler" about it. Knee-jerk reflex to see an article at TVLine and think "spoiler!"

Edited October 28, 2016 by Demented Daisy

Binns · October 28, 2016

You guys priests next week!! EEE!

goldy · October 29, 2016

Filming episode 10:

goldy · October 29, 2016

Supernatural Season 12 Episode 6 "Celebrating the Life of Asa Fox” (Episode will air on November 17th.)

http://www.spoilersguide.com/supernatural/season-12-episode-6-celebrating-the-life-of-asa-fox-guide/

When hunters gather together to celebrate the life and tragic death of one of their own, Sam (Jared Padalecki) Dean (Jensen Ackles) and Mary (guest star Samantha Smith) must take action when a demon starts picking off hunters one by one.

DittyDotDot · October 29, 2016

Does seem a tad foolish to for a bunch of hunters to gather together for anything. I mean, they have enemies, right?

mertensia · October 29, 2016

It would be a lot of fun if episode 6 was another Ask Jeeves type of episode. Though I doubt they can top Clown College Collette.

goldy · October 29, 2016

38 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said:

Does seem a tad foolish to for a bunch of hunters to gather together for anything. I mean, they have enemies, right?

It is. But the show also showed hunters gather together back in S2 at Jo and Ellen's bar "The Roadhouse" so I guess its not that unusual...

DittyDotDot · October 29, 2016

Just now, goldy said:

It is. But the show also showed hunters gather together back in S2 at Jo and Ellen's bar "The Roadhouse" so I guess its not that unusual...

It wasn't a criticism, I'm really looking forward to the episode, but I was wondering how they'd make a hunter's wake a case. They basically did the "class reunion" trope. Which should be fun, IMO.

rue721 · October 29, 2016

Asa Fox is an interesting name. Be interesting to find out who that is.

Oh jeez, I hope s/he's not the one picking off the hunters one by one ;)

goldy · October 29, 2016

48 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said:

It wasn't a criticism, I'm really looking forward to the episode, but I was wondering how they'd make a hunter's wake a case. They basically did the "class reunion" trope. Which should be fun, IMO.

Oh, I know that you didn't mean it as criticism :) I was just pointing out that while I agree with you, the show had hunters gather together before. I guess hunters while they are very smart they are also kinda fearless which is why they don't hesitant to do so.

I also think it would be a fun episode. But I wonder how a demon would know about the hunters gathering together. Maybe it has something to do with what Toni said about some of the hunters being "compromised". I also remember reading that in this episode we will meet two new hunters; a brother and a sister working together. I wonder what role they'll play in this episode.

rue721 · October 29, 2016

I think that the hunters' wake is kind of the new version of last year's sheriff conference.

MysteryGuest · October 29, 2016

If Mary's back by episode 6, at least for the funeral, then do we assume she's had a change of heart and come back, or does she just show up for the funeral? I wonder if this Asa person is actually one of Mary's peers from her hunting days, rather than the boys? Could be interesting.

DittyDotDot · October 29, 2016

17 minutes ago, goldy said:

I also think it would be a fun episode. But I wonder how a demon would know about the hunters gathering together. Maybe it has something to do with what Toni said about some of the hunters being "compromised". I also remember reading that in this episode we will meet two new hunters; a brother and a sister working together. I wonder what role they'll play in this episode.

It could be the demon killed the hunter being "waked" knowing a bunch more hunters would show up? You're probably right about the "compromised" hunter though. That does make sense in the context of the season. I'd forgotten about the brother/sister hunter duo, though. That could be very interesting.

Anyway, next three or four episodes are all penned by new writers. It's should be interesting to see who they are and what they bring to the show.

4 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

If Mary's back by episode 6, at least for the funeral, then do we assume she's had a change of heart and come back, or does she just show up for the funeral?

Maybe a mix of both? I'm guessing Mary will realize she made a mistake by running off, but I'm not sure she comes back to the bunker or if they don't just happen to meet her at the funeral--or that they go to the wake simply because they think she might be there. Regardless, I'm guessing by the end of the episode they come to some sort of "we're family and stronger together" agreement.

I think what will ultimately happen is she stay with Jodi for a bit and it will be more of an agreeable for all of them. This way, she's safe and they know how to get in touch with her, but she has some space and support to help her adjust.

SueB · October 30, 2016

I'm about to land so I'll make this brief:

- I think there is going to be several months (in show) between the end of The Foundry and the episode with the funeral. I don't know if we'll get a time jump in one episode ("Dean,its been weeks since she left" kind of comment) or multiple.

Alpha and Omega was clearly in spring. The foundry was a week later. We need to get to Fall. And this gives Mary time to adjust.

I think its possible that Mary's "happy ending" is back in Heaven. I wonder if Billy takes her in the mid-season start-up to right the balance of the universe. They may be setting up Sam and Dean to realize this is okay.

And a hunter's funeral goes right along the theme of everybody eventually dies.

Edited October 30, 2016 by SueB

companionenvy · October 30, 2016

Hmm. In theory, I'd be OK with Mary choosing heaven, but not as it has been depicted in SPN. SPN-verse heaven is certainly miles better than the alternative, and provides a pleasant way to pass eternity. But it is also, at least for most people, essentially a lovely fantasy. Mary wasn't in heaven with her real family, she was in a simulation. Even the John she was with there wasn't really John, or else she would know he was a hunter.

As with everything else, the show isn't consistent when it comes to heaven. It seemed like Amelia Novak was actually being reunited with Jimmy when she died. Ash had figured out some way of manipulating his heaven, and seemed to be able to meet new people and keep an eye on earth. But Bobby's heaven is very much a gilded cage -- he's content enough, but is champing at the bit to be a part of the real world again (and, of course, gets thrown in prison for breaking out. Which has never been addressed, by the way).

The idea of Mary choosing to wind up living in one house in fake-Lawrence with a baby Sam and child Dean who never age is pretty horrific to me, and there is no way I'd accept it as any kind of happy ending. If she needed to die to restore the balance, that would be another issue, but in that case, I'd hope the show would depict it as the sacrifice it is.

DittyDotDot · October 30, 2016

13 minutes ago, companionenvy said:

As with everything else, the show isn't consistent when it comes to heaven. It seemed like Amelia Novak was actually being reunited with Jimmy when she died. Ash had figured out some way of manipulating his heaven, and seemed to be able to meet new people and keep an eye on earth. But Bobby's heaven is very much a gilded cage -- he's content enough, but is champing at the bit to be a part of the real world again

Most people aren't aware their fantasy isn't real. That's why Bobby was chomping at the bit to get out of there, he knew it was a lie. But, Ash said some people, soul mates, shared a spot in heaven. I think Jimmy and Amelia were being granted that privilege. Or, it could be that Amelia was just creating that version of Jimmy, I dunno.

I'd be okay with Mary returning to Heaven if that was her choice, but I'd rather her come to terms with reality rather than want to go back to a fantasy. I'm still holding out hope Mary finds a place for herself on earth.

Demented Daisy · October 31, 2016

Jared and Jensen tease returning characters:

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Although Ackles didn’t comment on Michael specifically, he teased the fans with the possibility of some familiar faces. “When you have a really good character, and not just that but a really good talented person playing that character, getting them to come back is always a treat for us, and I feel like it’s a nice little treat for you guys, as well. I will say there are plans this season to bring back a few of those, so stay tuned.”

MysteryGuest · October 31, 2016

Weren't there some rumors of Charlie's return? I thought I had seen something to that effect. I thought there was also some mention about Garth, if I'm not mistaken. We know that Aaron is coming back, and most likely Jody and Donna (they're probably considered recurring at this point, though).

DittyDotDot · October 31, 2016

Yeah, there's been a mention that Charlie might return. I think Felicia Day tweeted something about Charlie returning as a ghost.

And, Dabb mentioned back at Comic Con Jody and Donna will be back. And then there were all the set pictures recently of Ty Olsen and Alania Huffman being on set...maybe them too?

If Jensen's truly teasing Michael's return, would that mean a return of Adam, too?

MysteryGuest · October 31, 2016

And Death...I forgot about him! A lot of good stuff to look forward to this season.

catrox14 · November 1, 2016

http://www.thetvaddict.com/2016/11/01/supernatural-photos-season-12-episode-5-the-one-youve-been-waiting-for/

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Back at Comic-Con, SUPERNATURAL producer Andrew Dabb said that an early season 12 episode will be the “triumphant or not-so-triumphant” return for the Thule, who have decided to bring back Hitler. But the SUPERNATURAL version of Hitler is described as a “psychotic Richard Simmons.” Apparently “Sam and Dean are going to find Hitler,” Dabb teased. “And I think that’s opening up some interesting doors for us just in terms of doing more crazy stuff.”

The episode, titled “The One You’ve Been Waiting For”, will have Sam and Dean learning that the soul of Adolf Hitler has been trapped in a 1930′s gold pocket watch. Once the Winchester brothers learn about this, they have to act quickly to prevent the Thule for resurrecting the Füror.