Spoilers With Speculation

[Aeryn13]

There are snippets of the Comic Con sizzle reel here and there. Lady Deadeyes is holding a blow-torch to his neck. And Singer said Sam is gonna go through hell the first few eps. My guess is about two or so where he is held prisoner.

Hopefully, Dean gets to kick some ass at least. Like I said, I can deal with the Mary thing but the clip already has some chick wrestling him down on the road. Who to I have to murder for badass!Dean around here? Come on.     

Episode 5 is about the Thule bringing back Hitler (seriously, show, no, just no) and therefore a MOTW. At this point, the opening stuff with the MOL and everything will be out of the way. 

Correction: it`s not Lady Deadeyes with the torch, it seems to be another Brit MOL chippie. The same one that wrestles Dean - and possibly Cas? - to the ground. Seriously. Already making those stupid assholes not only evil (which would be fine) but annoying Mary Sues (which is not). 

Edited July 25, 2016 by Aeryn13

[catrox14]

42 minutes ago, AwesomO4000 said:

My speculation after the finale was that the MoL were maybe going to "experiment" on Sam - with my meaning being torture - in order to see if this would somehow "wake up" his latent powers. Maybe it does, and this is where that strange talk about Sam's powers maybe not being gone came from. However, if they knew anything really, they would know that Sam's only "powers" had to do with visions concerning other "special kids" and there aren't supposed to be any more of those. Unless they try to add demon blood - which would not only be stupid but potentially reckless.... and again fairly specific in terms of powers (exorcising/killing demons). Unless the torturing somehow does something to expand on that - which again kinda reckless and now potentially dangerous.

If so that would serve the MoL right for messing with stuff they shouldn't in the name of "study" or whatever they want to try to call it. My Wild Ass Guess is that they wanted Dean for pretty much a similar reason... not so much "crimes against humanity" as "I wonder if we could make Dean turn into a demon again / access any powers / find out if there are any lingering effects from the Mark of Cain." You know, for science. *snort*

I can see this. It does comport with Jensen saying that Dean was going to be Liam Neeson in Taken.  So he'll be unleashing a can of whupass on people.  Too bad he doesn't still have the Mark of Cain to go after the EVMoL with all the bloodlust and strength and power and immortality and First Blade. 

Do the EVMoL even know about Dean having had the Mark of Cain or about the First Blade? It would be interesting if Magnus was resurrected in some way. Maybe they learned about Dean killing Magnus and now that Dean is powered down they want to kill him for killing Magnus?

OR Maybe they want to know where Magnus' lair is located? Or they want the First Blade?

Hmm that would actually be interesting for me. SHOCKER!!

Edited July 25, 2016 by catrox14

[catrox14]

Nothing to see here.

Edited July 25, 2016 by catrox14

[catrox14]

Holy triple post, Batman!

Edited July 25, 2016 by catrox14
triple post

[DittyDotDot]

4 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Do the EVMoL even know about Dean having had the Mark of Cain or about the First Blade? It would be interesting if Magnus was resurrected in some way. Maybe they learned about Dean killing Magnus and now that Dean is powered down they want to kill him for killing Magnus? OR even better, somehow Magnus was resurrected and he put the hit out on them.

I can't see them being too worked up over Magnus. He had already been kicked to the curb long before Abaddon attacked them. I'd think they'd be more happy to have him dealt with since he was kinda running amuck.

[catrox14]

7 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

There are snippets of the Comic Con sizzle reel here and there. Lady Deadeyes is holding a blow-torch to his neck. And Singer said Sam is gonna go through hell the first few eps. My guess is about two or so where he is held prisoner.

Hopefully, Dean gets to kick some ass at least. Like I said, I can deal with the Mary thing but the clip already has some chick wrestling him down on the road. Who to I have to murder for badass!Dean around here? Come on.     

Episode 5 is about the Thule bringing back Hitler (seriously, show, no, just no) and therefore a MOTW. At this point, the opening stuff with the MOL and everything will be out of the way. 

Correction: it`s not Lady Deadeyes with the torch, it seems to be another Brit MOL chippie. The same one that wrestles Dean - and possibly Cas? - to the ground. Seriously. Already making those stupid assholes not only evil (which would be fine) but annoying Mary Sues (which is not). 

Do you have any links to those snippets?

[catrox14]

1 minute ago, DittyDotDot said:

I can't see them being too worked up over Magnus. He had already been kicked to the curb long before Abaddon attacked them. I'd think they'd be more happy to have him dealt with since he was kinda running amuck.

They might want to know about his zoo and the whereabouts of the First Blade if they know about that.

What I want to know is how did the EVMoL come to know about the Darkness. Because only God, Amara, the Archangels and Death knew about her. There is no certainty that Cain knew about it/her. Angels thought it was a fairy tale essentially.  So how did they put anything together that Dean and Sam released the Darkness? Who told them? And why didn't they come to HELP put it away if they knew about?

I could see Magnus not  being the only rogue MoL in the entire organization. Maybe this group holding Sam are devotees of Magnus.

[goldy]

Opening of the Supernatural Panel at SDCC 2016 including the teaser:

[DittyDotDot]

22 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

What I want to know is how did the EVMoL come to know about the Darkness. Because only God, Amara, the Archangels and Death knew about her. There is no certainty that Cain knew about it/her. Angels thought it was a fairy tale essentially.  So how did they put anything together that Dean and Sam released the Darkness? Who told them? And why didn't they come to HELP put it away if they knew about?

Considering that all the monsters were talking about the Darkness coming and all the wack-a-doo that was going on...like the towns of veiny people and the big angel smiting, I'd guess they could figure it out. They may not have known anything about her before she was released, but after, they probably did their research just like Sam and Dean did.

[catrox14]

1 hour ago, DittyDotDot said:

Considering that all the monsters were talking about the Darkness coming and all the wack-a-doo that was going on...like the towns of veiny people and the big angel smiting, I'd guess they could figure it out. They may not have known anything about her before she was released, but after, they probably did their research just like Sam and Dean did.

And yet didn't lift a finger to help, since they are so hep on protecting the world or something. Maybe the didn't care because it was in the US LOL

[DittyDotDot]

8 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

And yet didn't lift a finger to help, since they are so hep on protecting the world or something. Maybe the didn't care because it was in the US LOL

Well, that's why I say it makes no sense they decided to intercede now. Either they stick to their books or they don't, make up your mind, show!

[catrox14]

7 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said:

Well, that's why I say it makes no sense they decided to intercede now. Either they stick to their books or they don't, make up your mind, show!

RIGHT? It's so stupid!

[MysteryGuest]

I've enjoyed the MOL storyline over the past few years, and I was actually hoping for more in-depth delving into who they were, what they were responsible for, etc.  But it just seems absurd to me that upon the eve of the world coming to an end, they would have dispatched one WOL to round up Sam and Dean.  If they held them in such contempt, wouldn't they have sent an army to possibly assist with the saving of the world?  Or does this British faction consist of a couple of old guys and Lady Whatsherface?  I find the whole thing dumb, so hopefully, that story will be wrapped up in a few episodes.

[pixelcat]

3 hours ago, AwesomO4000 said:

My speculation after the finale was that the MoL were maybe going to "experiment" on Sam - with my meaning being torture - in order to see if this would somehow "wake up" his latent powers. Maybe it does, and this is where that strange talk about Sam's powers maybe not being gone came from. However, if they knew anything really, they would know that Sam's only "powers" had to do with visions concerning other "special kids" and there aren't supposed to be any more of those. Unless they try to add demon blood - which would not only be stupid but potentially reckless.... and again fairly specific in terms of powers (exorcising/killing demons). Unless the torturing somehow does something to expand on that - which again kinda reckless and now potentially dangerous.

If so that would serve the MoL right for messing with stuff they shouldn't in the name of "study" or whatever they want to try to call it. My Wild Ass Guess is that they wanted Dean for pretty much a similar reason... not so much "crimes against humanity" as "I wonder if we could make Dean turn into a demon again / access any powers / find out if there are any lingering effects from the Mark of Cain." You know, for science. *snort*

I read this, and immediately thought of this:

[catrox14]

Just watched that teaser.

Hmmm, I'm raising some objections to Dean's gun being left anywhere for someone else to get their mitts on unless Dean left it in Baby for Sam. .

Seems like as I figured Cas has to have driven the Impala to Dean. That has to be a demon or an angel. who's able to take down both Dean and Cas. It can't just be a Person of Letters. I don't buy it.

I'm wondering if the blowtorch is a misdirect and it's actually Lady McScrewHerself trying to get the chains off Sam. 

But hells to the yeah that Jensen is doing some stunt driving again. That was fucking BADASS.

[auntvi]

12 hours ago, Demented Daisy said:

I'm just glad to see that Mary won't be baking cookies and making their beds.

Amen. So say we all!

[catrox14]

Here is the Comic Con panel.

[pixelcat]

Just watched the teaser, and Mary looks both seriously pissed off and suffering from PTSD, the way she was staring.  Funny thing is I was feeling upset about all the things I read for the new season, but watching that got me all excited again.  Agree with catrox, StuntDriving!Dean (Jensen) is always BADASS.

What I hope the MoL learn the hard way is it's one thing to watch them, but having to deal with a seriously pissed off angel and the demon formerly known as the King of Hell is something entirely different.  In fact, I hope MoL has kidnapped and/or killed Gavin to prevent something bad happening with the space/time continuum and Crowley burns them all to the ground.

[catrox14]

So I was rewatching that teaser and the part with Sam with him being tortured and I was like 99.9% sure I saw his eyes go black. So I started poking around on Tumblr and found this gif which seems to show his eyes going black and he seems to change at that point. 

 

So yeah, I think Lady McFuckOffandDie injected him with demon blood.  OR he's accessing his own latent demon powers in a desperate attempt to escape. 

Well gee, for not wanting to be nostalgic..nothing like bringing back Mary and revisiting Sam's demon blood shit AGAIN...

Also, I think the scene with his eyes going back is not when he's tied up. He looks like he's standing up with some kind car headlights behind him.

Edited July 26, 2016 by catrox14

[auntvi]

I wonder if the water is holy water. Or it could just be rain.

Demon blood Sam could be interesting - at least it would give him something to do. However, I've had it with the torture porn!

[AwesomO4000]

5 hours ago, catrox14 said:

Also, I think the scene with his eyes going back is not when he's tied up. He looks like he's standing up with some kind car headlights behind him.

I'm not saying that you're wrong, but it looks weird for headlights.

If the light was in front of Sam instead of behind him, I'd almost think they were doing a Star Trek: The Next Generation nod. "There. Are. Four. Lights!"

[catrox14]

13 minutes ago, AwesomO4000 said:

I'm not saying that you're wrong, but it looks weird for headlights.

If the light was in front of Sam instead of behind him, I'd almost think they were doing a Star Trek: The Next Generation nod. "There. Are. Four. Lights!"

LOOL. Maybe it's just lens flare. I still think he's no longer captive in that scene.

[AwesomO4000]

6 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I still think he's no longer captive in that scene.

I agree. It does look like he's out.

[MysteryGuest]

I may be alone in this, but I have zero interest in revising the demon blood storyline.  I sincerely hope that clip is deceiving.  What purpose would it serve for the MOL to turn Sam back into a demon?  I don't get it.  I had no idea the MOL were just dicks.  I thought they were supposed to be the good guys?  Again, I just hope we're seeing something that isn't really there.

Edited July 28, 2016 by MysteryGuest

[catrox14]

7 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

I may be alone in this, but I have zero interest in revising the demon blood storyline.  I sincerely hope that clip is deceiving.  What purpose would it serve for the MOL to turn Sam back into a demon?  I don't get it.  I had no idea the MOL were just dicks.  I thought they were supposed to be the good guys?  Again, I just hope we're seeing something that isn't really there.

This just makes me think about Jared asking folks on Twitter if Sam still had demon blood in him and then at a con that there might still be something to that.

So if they are NOT EVMoL, I'm wondering now if maybe whatever they are doing to Sam triggers latent demon powers because he's threatened and it's a survival mechanism.

[MysteryGuest]

14 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

So if they are NOT EVMoL, I'm wondering now if maybe whatever they are doing to Sam triggers latent demon powers because he's threatened and it's a survival mechanism.

Anything's possible, but it's not terribly plausible, IMO.  He's certainly been threatened before without conjuring up that side of him.  Obviously, they're going to do what they're going to do, but it just doesn't interest me.  If they couldn't be bothered to give us Demon Dean for more than 3 lousy episodes, I don't need to see Sam go that route again after multiple seasons of that storyline.

[catrox14]

36 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

Anything's possible, but it's not terribly plausible, IMO.  He's certainly been threatened before without conjuring up that side of him.  Obviously, they're going to do what they're going to do, but it just doesn't interest me.  If they couldn't be bothered to give us Demon Dean for more than 3 lousy episodes, I don't need to see Sam go that route again after multiple seasons of that storyline.

He thinks Dean is dead. Cas went missing and now he's been shot and kidnapped. I suspect they are trying to get him to give up Dean's whereabouts. Maybe this time he believes he is truly alone and it just gets something he never had to access before. Just a thought.

[MysteryGuest]

That's entirely possible, Catrox, I'm just not interested in that story.  We're pretty far removed from Sam's blood-drinking days, and I just think it's lazy writing again, if they do choose to go there.  But it won't surprise me.  

I'm really trying to not be disappointed about season 12 before it even begins, but the hints we've been given so far just aren't doing it for me.  I'm bored with Lucifer, don't really want Mom back in the hunting life, and have zero interest in watching Sam's inner demon come out.  I sure hope they have some other ideas for the season.

[pixelcat]

38 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

That's entirely possible, Catrox, I'm just not interested in that story.  We're pretty far removed from Sam's blood-drinking days, and I just think it's lazy writing again, if they do choose to go there.  But it won't surprise me.  

With bringing Mary back, it doesn't surprise me if we revisit the demon blood days.  I've been trying to figure out why those kids are shown in the teaser, what if they are Azazel's "last generation", the one he was working on in Season 1?  That'd put them around 11 or so.  Maybe MoL is trying to figure out how to "activate" them, and the torture with Sam is to try and figure out how his psychic abilities were originally turned on.  Sam is the last of his generation, so he'd be their best bet since Azazel is dead.

1 hour ago, catrox14 said:

He thinks Dean is dead. Cas went missing and now he's been shot and kidnapped. I suspect they are trying to get him to give up Dean's whereabouts. Maybe this time he believes he is truly alone and it just gets something he never had to access before. Just a thought.

We saw Ava able to control demons (or at least a particular type of demon) and she originally started out with visions just like Sam.   She wasn't even drinking demon blood.  Sam also was able to move the furniture blocking his exit after he saw Dean's death, again without blood.  Who knows what he really could do if he was forced into it; since Ruby needed him to kill Lilith, she just focused on exorcising demons with him.

[DittyDotDot]

I'm not so sure Sam's eyes turned black or if it's just the lighting in that clip. I think it just might be standard torture-screaming in the shadows. But, you never know with this show?

I'd be surprised if they went back to Sam's demon-blood storyline. But, if the MoL are attempting to bring out demon powers in Sam or other "special" kids, then who is it that's messing with "things they don't understand?" I'm thinking the torturing isn't being done by the MoL. It just makes no sense they would be torturing since they are supposed to stick to their studies and not get involved. 

Perhaps something captured both Lady WhatsHerName and Sam and are torturing them both? Lady WhatsHerName looked pretty shocked after she shot Sam...hey, maybe it's the Stynes? I mean, sure, Dean took out the one town of Stynes, but there has to be more of them out there, right? They'd be gunning for Dean, still probably want the Book of the Damned and Lady WhatsHerName probably has some knowledge worth torturing for?

[pixelcat]

I'm also wondering how they're going to reconcile Mary's spirit getting destroyed in "Home", and Ash's inability to find her in heaven.  Probably with "That was so season 1, no one will remember that even happened".  I do want to see how Dean brings up Mary's deal with YED though.  When Michael erased Mary's memory of them going back to stop Anna, did he leave the memories prior where Dean witnessed the deal go down?  Might explain why Mary starts attacking him in the teaser, blaming him for her parents' deaths and attracting the demon in the first place.  If Dean hadn't gone back, Mary wouldn't have have known her friend was about to make a deal with YED and try to stop her, but then Dean wouldn't have been Dean and gone back...

Ah time travel episodes!  Let's get drunk and never think about this again.

[AwesomO4000]

1 hour ago, DittyDotDot said:

I'm not so sure Sam's eyes turned black or if it's just the lighting in that clip. I think it just might be standard torture-screaming in the shadows. But, you never know with this show?

I'm not so sure either, but I think that @catrox14 is probably right in that Sam appears to be out of captivity when he's in the rain? If that's the case, maybe the screaming part of the clip and the needle part are a separate time and/or flashbacks of Sam remembering what was done to him, and he's having delayed affects in the rain scene?

I don't know, but in these types of shows, a needle and syringe is usually used for something specific besides torture: sometimes it's "truth serum", but sometimes it's something else... usually not good and usually something that changes or affects the victim in some way. For me it's kind of a specific image, and there appears to be a lot of liquid involved in that syringe (though interestingly the liquid appears to be clear and either colorless or light colored. Hmm... Holy water to check to see if he's demonic?)

1 hour ago, DittyDotDot said:

I'd be surprised if they went back to Sam's demon-blood storyline. But, if the MoL are attempting to bring out demon powers in Sam or other "special" kids, then who is it that's messing with "things they don't understand?" I'm thinking the torturing isn't being done by the MoL. It just makes no sense they would be torturing since they are supposed to stick to their studies and not get involved. 

Heh, but interestingly that's exactly where my mind immediately went after the finale. Me, from my first post in the "Alpha and Omega" episode thread:

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... That is if Sam isn't dead or in a coma. Or going to be driven crazy in some isolation cell and/or being experimented on.

... so apparently I thought that was a logical or at least probable consequence for Sam's storyline. I'm not so sure what that says about me, but I don't think it's good : /

[Demented Daisy]

1 hour ago, AwesomO4000 said:

Heh, but interestingly that's exactly where my mind immediately went after the finale. Me, from my first post in the "Alpha and Omega" episode thread:

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... That is if Sam isn't dead or in a coma. Or going to be driven crazy in some isolation cell and/or being experimented on.

... so apparently I thought that was a logical or at least probable consequence for Sam's storyline. I'm not so sure what that says about me, but I don't think it's good : /

So you're saying the MoL, UK division has their own Pit of Despair?  ;-)

[goldy]

Jared just posted this on his twitter:

 

So is he trying to say that Sam will get posssed in S12?

[7kstar]

If Mary comes back with poof magic, that would still explain why they couldn't find her in heaven or hell.  Remember the ep where Bobby is trapped and Dean solves it with him being on the outside and same on the outside.  It was a point where different time periods met each other in a blink of an eye.  So that's my story for NOW.  :)

Both Jared and Jensen hinted that they will be on the run from both heaven and hell.  why?  Do the demon and angels blame the boys and Cass for almost causing the end of the world.  They don't know that God and Sister are once again happy.

I certainly wasn't on the edge of my seat like some of the viewers watching the show, but then the show has a hard time surprising me.  I can care less about the torture...so I hope there is more that they aren't giving away.

[catrox14]

@Diane posted this in the media thread but it makes me wonder many things.

1) Robbie is not wrong.

2)  We saw Sam with the tattoo in s11 but that was supposedly a flashback to his time in the Cage. So at this point Sam should not have his tattoo because Crowley burned it off to possess him in s9 and we never hear about him getting it again. and IMO that SHOULD be an important plot point.

If Sam's eyes are black and Jared is asking about the tattoo then I think Sam could be turning into a demon and he's trying to figure out continuity wise why Sam could be possessed again

I'm calling a swerve: I'm going back to Sam's demon blood and powers being affected by the brief influence of the Mark of Cain even if it was only on him for 30 seconds. I'm wondering if Sam might actually die during the torture sequence but the Mark keeps him alive. He resurrects as a demon which is why he has black eyes and has the power to escape.

 

2 hours ago, Diane said:

https://twitter.com/jarpad/status/758699461497454592

Jared Padalecki ‏@jarpad 27m27 minutes ago

Supernatural Season 12 trivia for y'all!! Does Sam STILL have his demon warding tattoo, or not? Send thoughts my way! #SPNFamily

1,002 retweets 2,509 likes

Robbie Thompson ‏@rthompson1138 25m25 minutes ago

@jarpad i'm no scientist, but the best way to show (not tell) would be seeing Sam shirtless

[AwesomO4000]

24 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I'm calling a swerve: I'm going back to Sam's demon blood and powers being affected by the brief influence of the Mark of Cain even if it was only on him for 30 seconds. I'm wondering if Sam might actually die during the torture sequence but the Mark keeps him alive. He resurrects as a demon which is why he has black eyes and has the power to escape.

And if Sam does have a new tattoo - which I agree should have been mentioned - this would rule out possession, but not rule out Sam being turned into a demon somehow. According to Chuck/God, Sam's eyes went black in "Lucifer Rising" and he briefly went demon, and Sam definitely had the tattoo back then. So the tattoo would not prevent Sam from becoming a demon, it would just prevent demonic possession, so whether or not Sam replaced the tattoo - which it would be kind of dumb and reckless if he didn't considering they hunt demons a lot and have been doing so since that time in season 9 - would be an important plot point / clue as to whether Sam could be possessed or whether he turned into a demon. If that is truly what we are seeing with the black eyes in that scene.

I don't know how I would feel about a mark of Cain influence, because the finale showed the mark going back to Amara - again. Which now that I think about it, explains where/why the mark went to baby Amara after Rowena finished the spell. When the mark is "banished" it goes back to Amara, so unless God and/or Amara sent it back to Sam and/or Dean without them knowing about it, and it's not physically manifesting under normal circumstances, I don't know how the writers would swing that. Also considering how Dean was as a demon and how already creepy / dangerous / sociopathic soulless Sam was, I don't think we'd want to see what a fully demonic Sam would look like. It would be ugly to say the least. And anything not ugly would not be following canon, in my opinion.

[catrox14]

9 minutes ago, AwesomO4000 said:

demon, it would just prevent demonic possession, so whether or not Sam replaced the tattoo - which it would be kind of dumb and reckless if he didn't considering they hunt demons a lot and have been doing so since that time in season 9 - would be an important plot point / clue as to whether Sam could be possessed or whether he turned into a demon. If that is truly what we are seeing with the black eyes in that scene.

Dean had the tattoo which didn't prevent him  the Mark affecting him. It made no sense to me why Sam didn't get the tattoo again in s10 when he was pursuing demon!Dean. I mean theoretically couldn't demon!Dean have possessed someone if he chose? Like I would think he could. Because it seems pretty dumb to be a demon but not have the ability to possess someone else.

I'm not so sure about the Mark going back to Amara.  It seems to me if the Mark did go back to her she wouldn't have been able to be released. I think? I dunno. It's weird and confusing.

[Aeryn13]

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I'm going back to Sam's demon blood and powers being affected by the brief influence of the Mark of Cain even if it was only on him for 30 seconds. I'm wondering if Sam might actually die during the torture sequence but the Mark keeps him alive. He resurrects as a demon which is why he has black eyes and has the power to escape.

That would be creatively bankrupt. Which of course makes it not unlikely. And it would be a given he would be a demon for more than 2.5 measly episodes. 

But I can`t tell if that tweet is just meant to be random fucking with the fandom or a specific tease. Making Sam a demon or bringing back the demon blood powers - both of which I`d hate with a passion - would just be do-over storylines. I expected boredom from this Seaon but not again a start-up of the zero-sum game with the characters storyline-wise. Can they not make it about both for a change? 

I hope we hear anything about Dean other than reacting to Mary or fretting about Sam. So far, I`ve not heard any spoiler or tease whatsoever that sounds even remotely enticing to watch. But Jensen looked pretty whatever-ish during Comic Con.  

[catrox14]

I watch Doctor Who and now we have someone resurrected who should be dead and I just can't let go of this having a bigger affect in the timeline. Like Mary's resurrection changes other things. I dunno, I haven't worked it out in my mind yet but I just have a hard time believing that Mary being alive is just okay 'Here is she is. All better now"and there is no larger consequence to their lives both present and past.

I think it's interesting that Jensen talked the most about Mary making Dean and Sam more vulnerable now. And that it's another person for Dean to sacrifice himself for.

[Aeryn13]

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but I just have a hard time believing that Mary being alive is just okay 'Here is she is. All better now"and there is no larger consequence to their lives both present and past.

Well, this is a show that had no consequences whatsoever for killing Death. Mary should be a piece of cake in comparism. I would be highly surprised if her resurrection has any such consequences. The writers seem incapable of think along those lines, even when the storyline avenue looks quite obvious, they don`t take it. You can see it in interviews when someone finally gets frustrated enough to ask outright, it`s all a lot of "um...um...sure, but not really...um". They couldn`t make it any clearer that the thought hadn`t even manifested in their heads until they were asked the question. I find it uncanny, and not in a good way.  

[goldy]

My speculation; I think some of the MOL have gone bad and are working with demons now. I think the woman from the teaser that is holding the blow-torch is going to burn off Sam's tattoo so that a demon she's working with can possess him.

[AwesomO4000]

42 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

It made no sense to me why Sam didn't get the tattoo again in s10 when he was pursuing demon!Dean. I mean theoretically couldn't demon!Dean have possessed someone if he chose?

Not even that, because Sam was messing with crossroads demons and likely other demons trying to find out where Crowley was, so he could find out what happened to Dean. (And apparently Sam was hunting down demons with Castiel and it went awry, leading to his damaged arm?) If Sam didn't have a tattoo, theoretically any of those demons could try to possess him, so that would be entirely remiss / careless/ etc. of the show to have Sam doing that without having gotten another anti-possession tattoo. So Sam better have a damn anti-possession tattoo again or I'm going to call foul.

[catrox14]

12 minutes ago, goldy said:

My speculation; I think some of the MOL have gone bad and are working with demons now. I think the woman from the teaser that is holding the blow-torch is going to burn off Sam's tattoo so that a demon she's working with can possess him.

Ohhh... This is an interesting spec. I like it.

[DittyDotDot]

9 minutes ago, AwesomO4000 said:

Not even that, because Sam was messing with crossroads demons and likely other demons trying to find out where Crowley was, so he could find out what happened to Dean. (And apparently Sam was hunting down demons with Castiel and it went awry, leading to his damaged arm?) If Sam didn't have a tattoo, theoretically any of those demons could try to possess him, so that would be entirely remiss / careless/ etc. of the show to have Sam doing that without having gotten another anti-possession tattoo. So Sam better have a damn anti-possession tattoo again or I'm going to call foul.

Considering we didn't see Sam or Dean get the original tattoos, but apparently they had them for over a year before they were revealed, I'd be surprised if the first thing Sam did after Dean left him on that bridge wasn't to get his tattoo replaced.

[AwesomO4000]

2 hours ago, DittyDotDot said:

Considering we didn't see Sam or Dean get the original tattoos, but apparently they had them for over a year before they were revealed, I'd be surprised if the first thing Sam did after Dean left him on that bridge wasn't to get his tattoo replaced.

Good point! Though if @goldy's speculation above is correct, it will unfortunately be a moot point. Poor Sam would be getting his tattoo burned off for a second time. And via blow torch is bound to leave a mark/scar. Ouch.

Maybe the boys should get one or two of those invisible ultraviolet ink tattoos. At least that might take some time to find, especially if they hid them right.

[auntvi]

Remember the photos from last summer of Jared at the lake with Stephen Amell?  It looked like Jared had the tattoo then.

[AwesomO4000]

9 minutes ago, auntvi said:

Remember the photos from last summer of Jared at the lake with Stephen Amell?  It looked like Jared had the tattoo then.

But as someone upthread (I think) or in the media thread said, there were some flashbacks of Sam in the cage last season where Sam would have had the tattoo, so he would've had to have it for those scenes.

That doesn't mean Sam couldn't have it again for real also, but I don't know or remember if we saw the tattoo other than in those flashback scenes.

[iRarelyWatchTV36]

Now that it sounds like Castiel will have (at least some of) his angel mojo back, why not just erase all doubt & worry and have him find a spare bit of bone(s) inside both brothers that he didn't carve the angel wardings into and carve anti-possession 'tattoos' there?

I know a significant portion of the fans would hate that, because it would eliminate the need for either one to remove a shirt or whatever to show off the tattoo, but if the reason for debate is to offer a practical solution, then to me that option would both make it permanent - as permanent as can be in this show's universe - and very well hidden [at least upon a quick surface check].

[Myrelle]

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But I can`t tell if that tweet is just meant to be random fucking with the fandom or a specific tease. Making Sam a demon or bringing back the demon blood powers - both of which I`d hate with a passion - would just be do-over storylines. I expected boredom from this Seaon but not again a start-up of the zero-sum game with the characters storyline-wise. Can they not make it about both for a change? 

I hope we hear anything about Dean other than reacting to Mary or fretting about Sam. So far, I`ve not heard any spoiler or tease whatsoever that sounds even remotely enticing to watch. But Jensen looked pretty whatever-ish during Comic Con. 

I truly hope that the myth-arc sl, which at this point seems to involve the british MOL, does not become simply yet another retread or redux of any other sl that we've seen so far, but I would not be the least bit surprised if that is exactly what happens as it seems like they cannot even move past the now ridiculously over-played Lucifer sl. The only good and original thing that I could ever foresee coming out of it at this point, would be the return of Michael with JA finally getting a chance to at long last take on that role. But it seems like the showrunners from all the way back into S5, just do not want to grant this long-held and still often asked for Dean/JA fan wish/desire. They've refused to even give Jensen the opportunity in a dreamscape or AU scenario. I will never understand their absolute refusal concerning this. Never.

I found the Comic Con stuff to be all too predictable again with, yes, JA's role apparently being regressed back to the strictly and only reacting mode. I also had truly hoped that now that the two main characters seemed to have finally reached a sort of equilibrium where it pertains to the assigned roles of who gets the bulk of the myth-arc sl and who gets the bulk of the emotional/reactive storyline, we might finally be able to move forward with both actors and their respective characters once again being written and seen as all human protagonists. And I'm still hoping for this and hoping that the demon blood nonsense has been put to bed for good and that any possible possession sl for Sam/JP is either non-existent or very short-lived with the former much more preferable for me.

I see that everyone at CC was once again saying that they were again going back to the "roots of the show". I truly hope that that's not just code for we're doing DemonSam again and it's going to span numerous seasons again.

I'm sure that Jensen will act the hell out of Mary's return, but I'd like more than just emo for the character this season and I'd like to see the return of DemonHunterExtraordinaireDean, in all of his badass glory, and even when one of his family members is not in imminent danger. THIS would be a return to the show's roots for me-at least as far as the Dean character is concerned and if they're again going to choose to exclude him entirely from any physically supernaturally-connected storyline that they've dreamed up for Sam again- and again, IF this is where they're headed for the umpteenth time-to which I reiterate-No thank you, writers. Please come up with something else. Anything else. Please.

Edited July 29, 2016 by Myrelle