Spoilers With Speculation

[gonzosgirrl]

Not relly much of a spoiler, but for what it's worth:

http://tvline.com/2017/12/13/the-originals-season-5-spoilers-villain-big-bad/

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Question: I’ll take anything you have on Supernatural. —Karen
Ausiello: Remember how earlier this season Billie the reaper-turned-Death resurrected Dean, telling him that he and his brother Sam are too important to perish? Well, that little nugget “will come back into play this season,” executive producer Andrew Dabb teases.

[catrox14]

20 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Not relly much of a spoiler, but for what it's worth:

http://tvline.com/2017/12/13/the-originals-season-5-spoilers-villain-big-bad/

And Mr. Dabb, that's different than the entire rest of the series where they had an important role to play so they were resurrected by God himself, how? ? LOL

Dabb babbles a lot doesn't he?

[ILoveReading]

1 hour ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Not relly much of a spoiler, but for what it's worth:

http://tvline.com/2017/12/13/the-originals-season-5-spoilers-villain-big-bad/

Responding in Bitter spoilers thread.

[catrox14]

I am super confused by this tweet. Is this dude saying that JDM was there with Jensen, Danneel and Misha? What? I'm gonna tweet at him and ask him about it.

Oh...maybe he meant JDM as in Jensen, Danneel and Misha. Well maybe he'll reply to me anyway. Or was he being cheeky and slyly saying that JDM is on set?

 

Edited December 14, 2017 by catrox14

[ILoveReading]

5 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I am super confused by this tweet. Is this dude saying that JDM was there with Jensen, Danneel and Misha? What? I'm gonna tweet at him and ask him about it.

Oh...maybe he meant JDM as in Jensen, Danneel and Misha. Well maybe he'll reply to me anyway. Or was he being cheeky and slyly saying that JDM is on set?

 

I was confused too, but I think the JDM is supposed to mean Jensen, Danneel and Misha

Edited December 14, 2017 by ILoveReading

[catrox14]

6 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

I was confused too, but I think the JDM is supposed to mean Jensen, Danneel and Misha

Yeah probably. Earlier this week or last Clif posted a set pic and he tagged JDM and Genevieve too. Gen I would think is just her visiting Jared, but JDM hmmmmmm

Edited December 14, 2017 by catrox14

[MysteryGuest]

I have to say that I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with Danneel.  From all the pics we've been seeing it seems that if nothing else, she and Jensen are enjoying spending some time together that doesn't involve weekends or hiatus.  They seem to be out and about (or oot and aboot) quite a bit.  And yes, I know Canadians don't really sound like that.  LOL

[Jonesy]

1 hour ago, catrox14 said:

Yeah probably. Earlier this week or last Clif posted a set pic and he tagged JDM and Genevieve too. Gen I would think is just her visiting Jared, but JDM hmmmmmm

Is that the prophet in the picture with Cas?  If so, looks like Cas MIGHT(maybe) be spying on him.

Edited December 14, 2017 by Jakes

[catrox14]

Here's what I need to know. How do Cas and Lucifer get out of Hell Jail?

I thought that was Bob Singer but upon closer look I think it is Donatello. Maybe the deal is that Cas and Lucifer work with Asmodeus to find Jack but then they turn on him.

Of course, at this point Asmodeus and Cas should ping that Jack is not on the earthly plane now.

[catrox14]

SEASON 13: SUPERNATURAL’s Sam & Dean & Cas Among Flowers; Lucifer Among Dumpsters in the Devil’s Bargain

http://www.hollywoodnorth.buzz/2017/12/season-13-supernaturals-sam-dean-cas-among-flowers-lucifer-among-dumpsters-in-the-devils-bargaon.html

Sam & Dean & Cas.

The Supernatural trio filmed among fake flowers in Cloverdale today where crew had installed a gazebo and a new burger joint Late’s Burgers in Hawthorne Plaza. Eduardo Sanchez directed Devil’s Bargain with brothers Sam & Dean Winchester (Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles) and their BFF, angel Castiel (Misha Collins) on set. The trio of actors is better known to fans as J2M.

Sam & Dean & Castiel = J2M.

Sam Anderson video.

#supernatural rehearsing shots in #Cloverdale. Jensen Ackles, Jared Padalecki, Misha Collins on set. (Padalecki showing off a, uh, unique walk towards end of clip.) pic.twitter.com/mJxjmtHYCQ

— Sam Anderson (@sam_andrsn) December 12, 2017

Meanwhile,  Supernatural’s Big Bad spent his time in Cloverdale hanging out at dumpsters.

Lucifer = Mark Pellegrino.

:

More Supernatural experiences in #cloverdale A Good Place to Find the Devil!!! pic.twitter.com/6gVDdoDhwr

— Paul Orazietti (@Paradeguy) December 13, 2017

Eduardo Sanchez directs "Devils Bargain" Supernatural episode in #Cloverdale Eduardo co-directed the Blair Witch Project ('99) and at 6'7" is taller than character Sam Winchester at 6'4" @CityofSurrey @yvrshoots @creativebcs @CloverdaleNews @WhatsFilming pic.twitter.com/u8Bhhz36nm

— Paul Orazietti (@Paradeguy) December 13, 2017

VIDEO: ‘Supernatural’ stars in downtown Cloverdale for day two of filming https://t.co/bEMUIKJPC2

— Cloverdale Reporter (@CloverdaleNews) December 12, 2017

Something Supernatural is happening in d/t #cloverdale as flowers all start to bloom!!!! @yvrshoots @creativebcs @SurreyNowLeader @CloverdaleNews @CloverdaleBC1 @CloverdaleCOC @CityofSurrey @CloverdaleRodeo @pulse1077 pic.twitter.com/YM0Sf6Y3Mp

— Paul Orazietti (@Paradeguy) December 11, 2017

Just a regular day at school with a view of Supernatural filming outside my office window #SupernaturalSeason13 #supercool pic.twitter.com/SxfjFAnUv0

 

 

10:27 PM By Susan Gittins

 

[mertensia]

8 hours ago, MysteryGuest said:

I have to say that I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with Danneel.  From all the pics we've been seeing it seems that if nothing else, she and Jensen are enjoying spending some time together that doesn't involve weekends or hiatus.  They seem to be out and about (or oot and aboot) quite a bit.  And yes, I know Canadians don't really sound like that.  LOL

Some do. I checked out a guest a year or so ago who actually did say aboot. "Aboot how long does it take to get to the airport? ...Aboot 35 minutes?"  I double-checked where his address was, he sounded so stereotypical. Canada.

[gonzosgirrl]

I'm Canadian and can confirm I have never said 'oot' or 'aboot' (or 'eh') in my entire life. :)  Just like the US though, there are regional accents. For some reason, people assume I'm from Ohio, lol.

Ooops, wrong thread.

Edited December 14, 2017 by gonzosgirrl
wrong thread

[Pondlass1]

I sometimes wish it displayed the particular thread at the bottom as well as the top.  I often post in the wrong thread.

[ahrtee]

27 minutes ago, Pondlass1 said:

I sometimes wish it displayed the particular thread at the bottom as well as the top.  I often post in the wrong thread.

You can see it in the address bar above the page (but it's lighter than the main address so you have to look carefully.)

ETA: And the thread is also shown at the very bottom of the page.

Edited December 14, 2017 by ahrtee

[BoxManLocke]

Latest from EW :

 

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I’m bummed we haven’t seen Donna yet this season on Supernatural. Please tell me she gets a lot of screen time in the Wayward Sisters pilot! — Kelly
Donna will appear in the Wayward Sisters backdoor pilot, but it’s actually the episode after Wayward that you’ll want to pay extra attention to. “Donna is featured heavily in episode 11, and it really takes her character to a place we have not seen her,” EP Andrew Dabb says. “It changes her a little bit and sets her up for, should we be lucky enough for [Wayward] to move forward, the next chapter of her life. Everyone else we front-loaded, and Donna we’ll tie up an episode after, but it gets everyone to the place where if we go ahead, all of these characters are prepared for that next chapter.”

I had been hoping for a while they'd use Donna in a more meaningful way. Superficial/Comic-relief Donna wouldn't have cut it as a series star in WS.

[catrox14]

10 minutes ago, BoxManLocke said:

“It changes her a little bit and sets her up for, should we be lucky enough for [Wayward] to move forward, the next chapter of her life. Everyone else we front-loaded, and Donna we’ll tie up an episode after, but it gets everyone to the place where if we go ahead, all of these characters are prepared for that next chapter.”

Changes her a little bit? Hmmm, I sure hope they don't ruin my wonderful Donna. But she's going to have to move to Sioux Falls to be a part of WS. So I wonder if we find out that she quits her job as sheriff because she started dating Doug 2.0 and something happens to that. I mean they left that open at the end of Plush. 

[ahrtee]

9 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Changes her a little bit? Hmmm, I sure hope they don't ruin my wonderful Donna. But she's going to have to move to Sioux Falls to be a part of WS. So I wonder if we find out that she quits her job as sheriff because she started dating Doug 2.0 and something happens to that. I mean they left that open at the end of Plush. 

I'm guessing it has to be something traumatic that makes her want to hunt (thus, heading to Sioux Falls and Jody?)  

[catrox14]

3 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

I'm guessing it has to be something traumatic that makes her want to hunt (thus, heading to Sioux Falls and Jody?)  

Eh, she was already more or less a hunter, just not full time. She lopped off vampires heads and dealt with the thing in Plush at which time Dean said she was a hunter. Seems like it's going to have to be a big personal loss that makes her leave her home and her job that she loves. I don't know what would make her leave other than some major personal loss, which I really do hope it's not because her boyfriend's killed and that sends her hunting. 

[ahrtee]

1 minute ago, catrox14 said:

Eh, she was already more or less a hunter, just not full time. She lopped off vampires heads and dealt with the thing in Plush at which time Dean said she was a hunter. Seems like it's going to have to be a big personal loss that makes her leave her home and her job that she loves. I don't know what would make her leave other than some major personal loss, which I really do hope it's not because her boyfriend's killed and that sends her hunting. 

That's what I meant--her *wanting* to become a full-time hunter (sorry if I wasn't clear).  Up till now, she would deal with things that came up in her territory, but not go out looking for hunts deliberately.  It seems like she's heading to Jody to join forces with her "mentor," since she still needs training (vamps notwithstanding.) 

OTOH, how Jody went from "hero support" (ie, helping the boys with research/finding hunts/occasionally saving their butts while working together) to full-on hunter that Sam would send out on her own still has me scratching my head.  IMO, hunting requires a pretty long apprenticeship (and learning lore and the different types of monsters) in order not to be killed very quickly, no matter how badass you are.  (Did she ever go hunting with Asa Fox?)

Unfortunately, SPN has a long history of killing off loved ones in order to start people hunting full time.  Maybe Donna had some family member/loved one we just never heard about until TPTB needed to give her a motive.

[catrox14]

13 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

OTOH, how Jody went from "hero support" (ie, helping the boys with research/finding hunts/occasionally saving their butts while working together) to full-on hunter that Sam would send out on her own still has me scratching my head.  IMO, hunting requires a pretty long apprenticeship (and learning lore and the different types of monsters) in order not to be killed very quickly, no matter how badass you are.  (Did she ever go hunting with Asa Fox?)

I gotcha. Yeah that one puzzles me as well.

[gonzosgirrl]

34 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

That's what I meant--her *wanting* to become a full-time hunter (sorry if I wasn't clear).  Up till now, she would deal with things that came up in her territory, but not go out looking for hunts deliberately.  It seems like she's heading to Jody to join forces with her "mentor," since she still needs training (vamps notwithstanding.) 

OTOH, how Jody went from "hero support" (ie, helping the boys with research/finding hunts/occasionally saving their butts while working together) to full-on hunter that Sam would send out on her own still has me scratching my head.  IMO, hunting requires a pretty long apprenticeship (and learning lore and the different types of monsters) in order not to be killed very quickly, no matter how badass you are.  (Did she ever go hunting with Asa Fox?)

Unfortunately, SPN has a long history of killing off loved ones in order to start people hunting full time.  Maybe Donna had some family member/loved one we just never heard about until TPTB needed to give her a motive.

I was hoping they could resist the urge to make them all super-women/badass hunters right out of the gate, but I am not expecting it. Not now that they are assigning solo hunts to Jody and Claire is already a teenage hunter on her own. We've already been told WS are going to 'save the show from itself' and rescue Dean and Sam in the next episode. Honestly, any hope I had for the show went out the window when Jody told Patience to disregard Dean's advice about the hunting life. I have the feeling they are going to ruin two of my favourite supporting characters (Jody & Donna) with these new and 'improved' versions.

[companionenvy]

IDK, I can more or less accept that the rules of shows like this make it inevitable that there's going to be some dissonance in terms of how dangerous the "job" is and how many people seem to be managing to do it without dying.

For the sake of drama, our heroes are going to be in serious peril on a regular basis. So based on what we're seeing on screen, we might say, "Well, if Sam and Dean, hunters extraordinaire, are barely escaping death every other week, than how can anyone who isn't an uber experienced hunter do the job? But logically, every hunter has to start somewhere. John had never hunted before, until he did. I'll grant that his military experience  would have given him a significant edge over a Claire or a Charlie, but he was still inexperienced, as, of course, is practically any hunter who wasn't raised in the life. 

And yes, realistically, if hunting were in mortal peril as frequently as Dean and Sam are, the average life expectancy of a hunter should be about three weeks. Even Sam and Dean should have racked up way more deaths than they actually have, because odds are that you don't always escape the super-dangerous situation. The same was true on Buffy. Joss Whedon is known for being ruthless in killing his characters, but if he wanted to go for realism, none of the Scoobies except maybe Buffy should have made it out of high school, because a bunch of untrained teens don't survive battles with deadly dangerous enemies again, and again, and again.  In fact, no one would. Even most people in highly dangerous professions aren't in imminent mortal peril on a regular basis.  Yet on almost ever genre show of SPN's type, inevitably characters are going to face long and deadly odds all the time. 

So it doesn't bother me that people like the WS have become hunters, and are considered competent to go out on solo hunts. What does bother me -- and I think we've seen it most recently in the show's depiction of Mary -- are when characters display levels of skill that are wildly disproportionate to what we know about their level of experience. Claire managing to get a killing shot against a supernatural baddie with improbable frequency is fine. Claire fighting off several demons on her own would be silly. To go back to the Buffy example, when Buffy ran off at the end of S2 and the Scoobies were trying to patrol in her place, four of them working together were able to kill a sizable number of newly-risen vampires, but not nearly as many as Buffy was routinely slaying on her own. And again, realistically, four teenagers, none of whom yet had superpowers of their own, probably shouldn't have been able to make it out of the summer alive at all, but I'll grant the show that as part of the premise as long as it doesn't suddenly have Xander and pre-witch Willow showing anything near slayer-level prowess.

My hope is that WS relies less heavily on impressive action sequences, and more on investigation. Heck, I even think SPN might be improved by more episodes that involved figuring out some supernatural mystery, as opposed to death-defying battles. I may or may not be right on this, but I have the sense that there were more MOW episodes in the earlier seasons where the kill was pretty perfunctory, and the energy of the episode came from figuring out the object the ghost was tied to, the identity of the supernatural  baddie, etc. 

[catrox14]

1 hour ago, companionenvy said:

IDK, I can more or less accept that the rules of shows like this make it inevitable that there's going to be some dissonance in terms of how dangerous the "job" is and how many people seem to be managing to do it without dying.

For the sake of drama, our heroes are going to be in serious peril on a regular basis. So based on what we're seeing on screen, we might say, "Well, if Sam and Dean, hunters extraordinaire, are barely escaping death every other week, than how can anyone who isn't an uber experienced hunter do the job? But logically, every hunter has to start somewhere. John had never hunted before, until he did. I'll grant that his military experience  would have given him a significant edge over a Claire or a Charlie, but he was still inexperienced, as, of course, is practically any hunter who wasn't raised in the life. 

And yes, realistically, if hunting were in mortal peril as frequently as Dean and Sam are, the average life expectancy of a hunter should be about three weeks. Even Sam and Dean should have racked up way more deaths than they actually have, because odds are that you don't always escape the super-dangerous situation. The same was true on Buffy. Joss Whedon is known for being ruthless in killing his characters, but if he wanted to go for realism, none of the Scoobies except maybe Buffy should have made it out of high school, because a bunch of untrained teens don't survive battles with deadly dangerous enemies again, and again, and again.  In fact, no one would. Even most people in highly dangerous professions aren't in imminent mortal peril on a regular basis.  Yet on almost ever genre show of SPN's type, inevitably characters are going to face long and deadly odds all the time. 

So it doesn't bother me that people like the WS have become hunters, and are considered competent to go out on solo hunts. What does bother me -- and I think we've seen it most recently in the show's depiction of Mary -- are when characters display levels of skill that are wildly disproportionate to what we know about their level of experience. Claire managing to get a killing shot against a supernatural baddie with improbable frequency is fine. Claire fighting off several demons on her own would be silly. To go back to the Buffy example, when Buffy ran off at the end of S2 and the Scoobies were trying to patrol in her place, four of them working together were able to kill a sizable number of newly-risen vampires, but not nearly as many as Buffy was routinely slaying on her own. And again, realistically, four teenagers, none of whom yet had superpowers of their own, probably shouldn't have been able to make it out of the summer alive at all, but I'll grant the show that as part of the premise as long as it doesn't suddenly have Xander and pre-witch Willow showing anything near slayer-level prowess.

My hope is that WS relies less heavily on impressive action sequences, and more on investigation. Heck, I even think SPN might be improved by more episodes that involved figuring out some supernatural mystery, as opposed to death-defying battles. I may or may not be right on this, but I have the sense that there were more MOW episodes in the earlier seasons where the kill was pretty perfunctory, and the energy of the episode came from figuring out the object the ghost was tied to, the identity of the supernatural  baddie, etc. 

Taking my reply to the WS spoiler thread

[catrox14]

[BoxManLocke]

I like the work they're doing on the characters for WS, but if it doesn't get picked up (50/50 chance at best in my opinion), that'll end up being a huge waste of space for season 13.

 

I mean they could bring back some characters into SPN later if they work out a way to have them separated again, but I'll always think about what this season could have been without WS, especially considering how successful Jack's introduction has been.

 

Then again, the episodes could have been replaced with boring standalones or shark-jumping atrocities. Also even with its WS segment, last week's finale was the best in years for me. So I don't know, I'm a bit conflicted.

Edited December 14, 2017 by BoxManLocke

[gonzosgirrl]

1 hour ago, catrox14 said:

I twitch every time I see Perez's name. Blech.

[catrox14]

4 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I twitch every time I see Perez's name. Blech.

I was generally okay with Tombstone and I still kind of don't trust him though LOL

[MysteryGuest]

The only good thing for me about the 4 episodes slated for the spin off is that at least these are characters that I like. I look forward to the Jody and Donna episodes every season.  I also don't mind Claire and Alex, and the two new girls have been interesting enough.  It would be far worse, IMO, if they were trying to do this with Bloodlines and co-opting 4 episodes of our SPN season.  

I have no idea just how confident they are that the show will be picked up.  I hope it is for the sake of the actresses looking for a nice career move, but I think I could be content with those characters remaining a part of SPN, if things don't work out.

[catrox14]

[gonzosgirrl]

It's weird that tweet is considered a spoiler. It's pretty much impossible to be online and not be aware that Danneel is going to be on the show.

[catrox14]

7 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

It's weird that tweet is considered a spoiler. It's pretty much impossible to be online and not be aware that Danneel is going to be on the show.

I agree. I just wanted to err on the side of caution since it's a set pic.

[catrox14]

So this tweet itself isn't that interesting but it's the reply from the director to a question. Sounds like Sister Jo is going to be in the Bunker at some point.

 

 

 

[Pondlass1]

9 hours ago, catrox14 said:

Sounds like Sister Jo is going to be in the Bunker at some point.

I think everyone ends up in the bunker at some point.  I'm looking forward to Danneel's episodes with interest.  Wonder if she'll end up with the Warwards?  Guess not, tho.... with three little ones running around.

[DittyDotDot]

14 hours ago, BoxManLocke said:

I like the work they're doing on the characters for WS, but if it doesn't get picked up (50/50 chance at best in my opinion), that'll end up being a huge waste of space for season 13.

Yeah, I was thinking something similar the other day. I mean, I get it, they think Bloodlines tanked because there was no build up to it, so to they went overboard on the other side with Wayward. It seems it's always all or nothing with this show.

However, I'm feeling a lot more positive about Wayward being picked up than I was when they first announced it. I had odds at 90 percent that fandom wouldn't even give it a chance. Now, like you, I'm thinking 50 percent.

8 minutes ago, Pondlass1 said:

I think everyone ends up in the bunker at some point.  I'm looking forward to Danneel's episodes with interest.  Wonder if she'll end up with the Warwards?  Guess not, tho.... with three little ones running around.

They could be setting her up to be a character that could show up on either show from time to time? Not a full-on recurring character, but more like how Jodi would appear once or twice a season.

Edited December 15, 2017 by DittyDotDot

[gonzosgirrl]

I predict that we will see Genevieve on the show before season's end.

[catrox14]

1 hour ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I predict that we will see Genevieve on the show before season's end.

Agreed.  I'm starting to really entertain the idea that JDM will show as well. I don't think that tweet of JDM -- Jensen, Misha, Danneel was accidental. YVRshoots has to know that Jeff is referred to JDM like ALL the time. I think that was a hint or a troll. And  I tweeted at the account and they never answered me. It's still strange that Clif posted a pic with "ghostly" figure and tagged JDM and Genevieve.

I mean it's possible that YVRshoots  and Cliff are trolling fandom intentionally with JDM mentions but I think it's kind of peculiar.  And if the show is winding down to a finish sooner rather than later, bringing back JDM seem right on par. Even if he just makes a cameo, and they bring him back for a possible shortened  s14.

I really don't want Ruby back or even her playing a doppelganger in the AU unless Sam has to encounter her, cause what is the point of it if Sam and/or Dean don't meet her?  I mean no offense but I don't think Ruby was such a fan favorite that she would warrant a cameo in the AU. Kevin being in the AU makes sense and he doesn't NEED to meet the boys but Ruby surely would.  And gods NO do not bring her back as a resurrected Ruby in this world.

Of course, I could totally see Dabb decide to give Ruby a redemption arc since he seems to be doing that with  Lucifer, of all characters. 

[ahrtee]

17 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I really don't want Ruby back or even her playing a doppelganger in the AU unless Sam has to encounter her, cause what is the point of it if Sam and/or Dean don't meet her?  I mean no offense but I don't think Ruby was such a fan favorite that she would warrant a cameo in the AU. Kevin being in the AU makes sense and he doesn't NEED to meet the boys but Ruby surely would.  And gods NO do not bring her back as a resurrected Ruby in this world.

I suppose they could bring in Ruby's meatsuit, not demon Ruby, which would give Gen a chance to play a good guy without twisting things too much.  It might also give some interesting scenes because they'll automatically hate her while others (Bobby?) wonder why.

Or...have there been any demons in the AU?  It seems to me we've only seen angels as the Big Bad, with humans fighting them.  Maybe the demons are on the human's side (which, um, might mean demon Ruby as a good guy, which, HELL NO.) 

In any event, if they do bring Gen back, I'm going to assume it'll be as one of the good guys, just to balance things out (and give their kids something to be proud of), and the boys will have to deal with their hatred of their version in order to work with her.  

[DittyDotDot]

I don't expect to see Genevieve back. I mean, it's possible with the multi-verse crap they're doing right now, but I don't think they'll do it just because Daneel was on the show. 

27 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

I suppose they could bring in Ruby's meatsuit, not demon Ruby, which would give Gen a chance to play a good guy without twisting things too much.

Disregarding that she was brain dead and her soul had already left the body to begin with, this could really only happen if someone picked up her meatsuit off the floor of that church and have been keeping it on life support for all these years...oh yeah, never mind. ;)

54 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Kevin being in the AU makes sense and he doesn't NEED to meet the boys but Ruby surely would.  And gods NO do not bring her back as a resurrected Ruby in this world.

Yeah, it doesn't actually make sense that Ruby would be in that body in the AU. If anything, she should be in Katie Cassidy's body, but even that's a stretch. So, if we get a Ruby in the AU, it should be in a completely different body. Which, I actually think that sort of thing has some interesting possibilities, myself. Like they could potentially bring back any angel or demon in a different actor's body. Or, even bring back actors who played human characters who are possessed by an angel or a demon we've met before in the AU. Like say Ellen could be possessed by Ruby or or Ash could be possessed by Zachariah or Balthazar or Jo could be Uriel--which I think they really missed the boat with Michael's minions being generic angels we've never heard of before--or they could also bring back Nicki Aycox as Meg again, which could be a lot of fun. 

Edited December 15, 2017 by DittyDotDot

[ahrtee]

9 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said:

Disregarding that she was brain dead and her soul had already left the body to begin with, this could really only happen if someone picked up her meatsuit off the floor of that church and have been keeping it on life support for all these years...oh yeah, never mind. ;)

It's an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE.  That means that just because it happened in this world, doesn't mean it happened there.   If John could be killed before he and Mary even married, we can't make any assumptions about anyone in the AU.  It could just as easily be that the girl Ruby possessed was never in an accident, never brain-dead, never possessed, but she survived the Apocalypse and became a hunter.  Or just a random human.  TPTB can bring back anyone in any form without needing any real explanation.  

 

9 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said:

Yeah, it doesn't actually make sense that Ruby would be in that body in the AU. If anything, she should be in Katie Cassidy's body, but even that's a stretch. So, if we get a Ruby in the AU, it should be in a completely different body.

Same comment as above.  I'm assuming it depends on who TPTB want to bring in, and it's more in line with their "bringing back old characters" that they bring back Gen as Ruby than as anyone else.  

This is not to say that I *want* Ruby (or Gen) back in any form.  I think she ran her course, and (as others noted above) she wasn't exactly a fan favorite.  But I can see if they really *did* want to balance out having Danneel there, they could contrive to have Gen back in some form.  

Edited December 15, 2017 by ahrtee

[DittyDotDot]

12 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

It's an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE.  That means that just because it happened in this world, doesn't mean it happened there. 

Sorry, didn't realize you were talking about alternate universe Ruby 2.0's meat suit, but I was attempting to make a joke about how they shoehorned in getting Pellegrino back. Which is to say: anything can happen, even without a multi-verse construct. 

Edited December 15, 2017 by DittyDotDot

[catrox14]

40 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

In any event, if they do bring Gen back, I'm going to assume it'll be as one of the good guys, just to balance things out (and give their kids something to be proud of), and the boys will have to deal with their hatred of their version in order to work with her.  

If  the Js want to alter the show to balance out their family stuff for what their kids might be watching seems really...weird thing to ask the showrunners. If they boys are ashamed of SPN after all these years they could just not let their kids watch. I hope that's not what they are going to try to do. And it's entirely possible that Sam and Dean do kill Sister Jo so the balance would be there already. But I sure hope they aren't pushing the show for those things. YIKES! LOL

[ahrtee]

Just now, DittyDotDot said:

Sorry, didn't realize you were talking about alternate universe Ruby 2.0's meat suit, but was more making a joke about how they shoehorned in getting Pelligrino back. Which is to say, anything can happen. 

No problem.  I was talking about the AU and how they could fit Gen there.  There's no way they could (or as far as I can see, would *want* to) bring back Ruby in this world...of course, if they have her in the AU (and people seem to be able to cross over at random) they could bring her back.  (Noooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!)  

[catrox14]

46 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

Or...have there been any demons in the AU?  It seems to me we've only seen angels as the Big Bad, with humans fighting them.  Maybe the demons are on the human's side (which, um, might mean demon Ruby as a good guy, which, HELL NO.) 

Yes, they have the temptor demons in the AU. My point was more that I don't see why they would create AU Ruby and not have her interact with the boys, and that's what I honestly don't want to see happen.

[ahrtee]

1 minute ago, catrox14 said:

If  the Js want to alter the show to balance out their family stuff for what their kids might be watching seems really...weird thing to ask the showrunners. If they boys are ashamed of SPN after all these years they could just not let their kids watch. I hope that's not what they are going to try to do. And it's entirely possible that Sam and Dean do kill Sister Jo so the balance would be there already. But I sure hope they aren't pushing the show for those things. YIKES! LOL

Well, they did joke about their kids watching Uncle Jensen kill mommy :)  And I can see as the kids are getting older they might want a positive female role model/image for mom, as opposed to evil slut.  But I don't think it's anything the Js are bringing up themselves.  

[catrox14]

21 minutes ago, DittyDotDot said:

Disregarding that she was brain dead and her soul had already left the body to begin with, this could really only happen if someone picked up her meatsuit off the floor of that church and have been keeping it on life support for all these years...oh yeah, never mind. ;)

I still can't believe I nailed that LOLOL. 

[Diane]

15 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

It's an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE.  That means that just because it happened in this world, doesn't mean it happened there.   If John could be killed before he and Mary even married, we can't make any assumptions about anyone in the AU.  It could just as easily be that the girl Ruby possessed was never in an accident, never brain-dead, never possessed, but she survived the Apocalypse and became a hunter.  Or just a random human.  TPTB can bring back anyone in any form without needing any real explanation.  

 

Same comment as above.  I'm assuming it depends on who TPTB want to bring in, and it's more in line with their "bringing back old characters" that they bring back Gen as Ruby than as anyone else.  

This is not to say that I *want* Ruby (or Gen) back in any form.  I think she ran her course, and (as others noted above) she wasn't exactly a fan favorite.  But I can see if they really *did* want to balance out having Danneel there, they could contrive to have Gen back in some form.  

If it is AU (Ruby) she wouldn't be "Ruby" she would be the meatsuit girl right?  Not arguing but is that the way you are thinking?  Becuase that could be interesting.

[catrox14]

2 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

Well, they did joke about their kids watching Uncle Jensen kill mommy :)  And I can see as the kids are getting older they might want a positive female role model/image for mom, as opposed to evil slut.  But I don't think it's anything the Js are bringing up themselves.  

Yeah I know they were joking about that. I hope the Js and their wives aren't considering using their characters and the show to be those role models to the expense of storytelling here.  Besides they already have Gen in the French Mistake they can show Jared's kids that Uncle Jensen and Dad really do like Mom LOL

[ahrtee]

Just now, Diane said:

If it is AU (Ruby) she wouldn't be "Ruby" she would be the meatsuit girl right?  Not arguing but is that the way you are thinking?  Becuase that could be interesting.

Yeah, that was what I was thinking, like Meg Masters (the girl) showed up apart from Meg the demon.  We did get some backstory/sympathy for her (even though she was a revenant and tried to kill them :) )  

[catrox14]

4 minutes ago, Diane said:

If it is AU (Ruby) she wouldn't be "Ruby" she would be the meatsuit girl right?  Not arguing but is that the way you are thinking?  Becuase that could be interesting.

She could be a character named Ruby in Gen's meatsuit who is not a demon.

[Diane]

1 minute ago, ahrtee said:

Yeah, that was what I was thinking, like Meg Masters (the girl) showed up apart from Meg the demon.  We did get some backstory/sympathy for her (even though she was a revenant and tried to kill them :) )  

Now that I could go for, as long as it is not the character Ruby.  Then it would not be a redemption story line. It would be a totally different character.