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S05.E10: Wāwahi moeʻuhane (Broken Dreams)


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I think the cast was given some time off.  AOL was in Japan for the Christmas episode, which is why he wasn't seen much, and this episode was devoted mostly to the guest stars.  So far, I've enjoyed season five.  The first eight episodes were very good.  The last two were not good, but that's because too much time was devoted to guest stars and not the actual characters I love.  

 

In last night's episode, William Forsythe's character solved the case, and what the heck was the female ME all about?  I don't care about her and her angst AT ALL.  I'll give Peter Lenkov a pass because the first handful of episodes this season, and especially the 100th (which was excellent) was very good.  Next week looks like we are back to the old Five-O that I love.  Plenty of the five-o characters, action, drama - all the good stuff.  Like I said, I'll give this one a pass because filming 25 episodes a year is NOT easy and must be exhausting.  I think it's a pretty good sign from the studio to give a show a 25 episode run, no?

 

I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is a backdoor pilot, but only because I can't imagine that last night was an introduction to an H50 spin-off because NEITHER of those two characters could carry a show, imo.  H50 works so well because of Alex, Scott, Daniel, and Grace - and the writing.  I watched the dvds for the last four seasons of H5O, and it really is an excellent show, imo.  Unlike many of the procedurals on tv, H50 has really wonderful character stories for each person on the team as well as all the regular cop stuff (and much better stunts and action).  If you watch all the episodes back-to-back, it sets up season five nicely - right into the 100th episode - and for every character.  So here's hoping that Peter has some great storytelling coming up for the rest of the year.  

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Although I prefer this show to focus mainly on the regular characters, I enjoyed last night's episode.  Shows can get bogged down by the same old themes and storylines, so I found it refreshing right from the start when I heard William Forsythe's voice over, which gave the show a different feel.

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What a dull episode that was! I cared not one iota for any of them. The 'old-school private eye' stuff simply felt horribly cheesy. Of course, yes, I realise it was kind of supposed to, with the whole Philip Marlowe style narration, but the script was just awful, especially the "thank goodness for cops like Steve McGarrett speech at the end...bleh! The over the head shot of the Five-0 crest was also painful. The who-dunnit aspect was blatantly telegraphed except for the surprise of guest-detective dropping by on a suspect nobody had even mentioned before, following a line of enquiry (tyre prints????) that hadn't been spoken of (if it was, I missed it - I lost interest).

William Forsythe may be a well known film actor but, really, he did absolutely nothing for me and Eric Roberts (who has just the most fantastic hair!) must have been thrilled to be paid to go to Hawaii and have to do so little work. Do programme makers really think that viewers will watch and enjoy just because of these castings? At the expense of the team the fans really want to see? 

And what the heck is going on with the ME's assistant? Not interested - annoying actress. Can't say even Jerry's side show came over as anything more than shoe-horned in time filler.

Sorry ....this seems to have made me rather grumpy. Really hoping for a return to the good stuff.

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I think the cast was given some time off. AOL was in Japan for the Christmas episode, which is why he wasn't seen much, and this episode was devoted mostly to the guest stars. So far, I've enjoyed season five. The first eight episodes were very good. The last two were not good, but that's because too much time was devoted to guest stars and not the actual characters I love.

In last night's episode, William Forsythe's character solved the case, and what the heck was the female ME all about? I don't care about her and her angst AT ALL. I'll give Peter Lenkov a pass because the first handful of episodes this season, and especially the 100th (which was excellent) was very good. Next week looks like we are back to the old Five-O that I love. Plenty of the five-o characters, action, drama - all the good stuff. Like I said, I'll give this one a pass because filming 25 episodes a year is NOT easy and must be exhausting. I think it's a pretty good sign from the studio to give a show a 25 episode run, no?

I'm not sure why anyone thinks this is a backdoor pilot, but only because I can't imagine that last night was an introduction to an H50 spin-off because NEITHER of those two characters could carry a show, imo. H50 works so well because of Alex, James, Daniel, and Grace - and the writing. I watched the dvds for the last four seasons of H5O, and it really is an excellent show, imo. Unlike many of the procedurals on tv, H50 has really wonderful character stories for each person on the team as well as all the regular cop stuff (and much better stunts and action). If you watch all the episodes back-to-back, it sets up season five nicely - right into the 100th episode - and for every character. So here's hoping that Peter has some great storytelling coming up for the rest of the year.

You said "Alex, James, Daniel and Grace". I think you meant SCOTT where you said James. There isn't even a James with a recurring role in the show. Or maybe you were confusing Scott & his Dad, James (who was in Ep 18 in S2).

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I didn't see this as a backdoor pilot either - there wasn't enough substance from all the guest characters put together to carry a show.  As much as I like old school detectives, I wasn't all that taken with this detective.  I don't know why they focused so much on the ME and her feelings except maybe to show that 5-0, and Danny in particular, are spiritual healers along with everything else they do.  

 

I had the woman from the escort service and the father of the fiancee pegged but I figured it was one or the other, not both.

 

Grand romantic gesture = Adam's days are numbered

My thoughts exactly!

 

Not a bad episode, something a little different, but I do prefer the focus to be on the regular characters.  There's enough of them already, we didn't really need to see so much of the guest characters.

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This was a really weak episode.  I don't care about Jerry's financial woes, surfing is not a panacea (Danny just mentioned that as an example), and the case was weak all the way along.  Just for an example, the owner of the escort service (which is a legal enterprise) is told she has to divulge the name of a client or be arrested for withholding evidence.  One call to her lawyer "How can I be arrested for withholding evidence I don't have.Can you get one of those "False Arrest" warrants made up and serve it on Steve McGarrett?"

 

Why did the killers dump the body in the marine pod?  Wouldn't it have been better for her not to be found until weeks later?

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If this was a back door pilot, I hope it keeps going out the door. I didn't like the character, the actor or the plot. And the voiceover bit was horrible.

I am surprised Adam wasn't dead by the end of the episode, at least as far as we know.

I kind of got the impression the new doctor is going to be Danny's love interest, now that we have Steve hooked up with the Aussie lawyer.

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You said "Alex, James, Daniel and Grace". I think you meant SCOTT where you said James. There isn't even a James with a recurring role in the show. Or maybe you were confusing Scott & his Dad, James (who was in Ep 18 in S2).

Yep, you're right.  I mixed up Scott and his dad, James.  Thanks for the catch.  I corrected my post.

 

I kind of got the impression the new doctor is going to be Danny's love interest, now that we have Steve hooked up with the Aussie lawyer.

 

 

Actually, I was happily surprised to see that the writers were not going to force Steve into a relationship with Aussie lawyer.  Instead of watching them get closer, we learned that she was trying to set him up on a date, and he wasn't ready.  I loved that actually.  I like that Steve doesn't bounce from woman to woman.  Frankly, he's been the only character (other than Kono) who has been with one love interest since the show began.  With Catherine choosing to stay in Afghanistan, his relationship with her is over, and he's not ready to start another one.  The fact that the Aussie lawyer was interested in setting him up and not putting herself in that position showed me that they are just friends.  Steve also clearly telegraphed that he's not ready to jump into a new relationship.  I'm very happy that the writers are doing that.  I don't mind Steve being in a relationship, and I certainly didn't get all  nuts like some in the fandom with regard to Lori (who I liked a lot, even more than Catherine) and/or Catherine.  I just don't think it's realistic for Steve, after everything he's been through - from losing his father, finding out his mother is a lying liar who lies, all the torture and pain he suffered at the hands of Wo-fat (and his mother), and then losing Catherine - I just don't see him rebounding into a new relationship (or even trusting anyone at this point).

 

As for Danny, I thought he was with Amber.  

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Agree about the Steve relationship thing. I also think the show realizes that the love interests they've brought on, haven't gone over too well with the viewing audience. Smart move on their part. Danny has fared a little better in that area, so they're giving it a go with him instead.

Danny did meet that one girl, then she fell off the face of the earth. Maybe they're hoping we forgot she existed.

If you mean Amber by "that one girl", I'm 99.9% positive I just recently read a comment from Peter Lenkov, somewhere, saying she's coming back later this season (don't forget, we still have 15 more eps to air this season--this past ep was 510--cause the holiday break came a couple weeks earlier in the schedule than usual & we have a 25-ep season this time instead of the usual 22-24 eps; they apparently start shooting Ep 517 tomorrow/this week) & an old beau maybe coming after her.

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I have read the same thing regarding Amber.

 

Very mild spoilers:

Amber has a past that is haunting her, as we never would have guessed.

 

There are a few other plots coming back around later in the season as well:

That guy Chin borrowed the money from is going to come calling at some point. Also Danny is going to face unspecified consequences for his trip to Colombia. Joe White is coming back too, which I can't say I'm excited about.

 

As for this episode, it's a rare one in which I don't even remember what happened. I don't recall anyone getting arrested at the end, although I'm sure it did happen. I feel like random extra characters were just tacked on at the end so they'd have someone to chase.

 

Telegraphed plot line: Dr. Shaw had a friend who was murdered and the case remains unsolved to this day? I wonder if we'll be seeing that again.

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I'm happy to hear that the Danny shooting as well as Steve's issues with Wo-Fat will be addressed.  I actually like the Joe White/Steve dynamic, but if he's been lying to Steve as much as Doris, I want to Steve to lay into him, especially after everything he's been through.

 Hopefully Christine Lahti will return because we really need a final showdown with her and Steve.  He should disown her, imo.  There was an episode in season four when Wo-Fat had escaped from the Colorado prison, and Doris had visited him there like two or three times, and Danny had stated something to Steve like "She disappeared for a year and won't contact you, but she meets with Wo-Fat?"  Yeah, that has to sting a bit for Steve, and imo, that's pure betrayal.  Doris has been a horrible mother to Steve.  

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I found this episode painfully dull.  The detective is a bit frumpy and unappealing to be carrying the episode.  I couldn't care less about Jerry Garcia and his lack of money.  Why is he even on the show?  He's useless.  If the actor hadn't been on Lost and didn't have a recognisable look (long hair and overweight), this character would never have been upgraded to main cast.  He adds even less purpose to the show than Catherine or Lori Weston did.  At least those two women were actively involved in missions.

 

As little as I care about Jerry, I care even less about this new trainee medical examiner and her "issues".  Why was so much time devoted to her?  I don't know her at all, and I don't need to know her.  I don't care about her friend that died and how it haunts her blah blah blah and let's go surfin now everybody's learning how come on and safari with me.  Who cares?  Why does she get so much backstory when there are plenty of other characters past and present (Max, Gabrielle Asano, etc) that we know relatively little about?

 

I don't mind the Aussie prosecutor but I liked Catherine better.  But I wish the show would quit pretending that they aren't going to put these two together.  She seems to have ventured into "friend" territory with Steve already like they were old pals and not people who just met each other a month ago.  She's already fixing him up with her friend and giving him a hard time when he doesn't want to go out with this friend.  Painfully obvious.  Le sigh.

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I don't get the condescending attitude whether the women were escorting or not. That wasn't part of their investigation anyway. Just find the damn killer already.

 

The VOs were silly. 

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This was a really weak episode.  I don't care about Jerry's financial woes, surfing is not a panacea (Danny just mentioned that as an example), and the case was weak all the way along.  Just for an example, the owner of the escort service (which is a legal enterprise) is told she has to divulge the name of a client or be arrested for withholding evidence.  One call to her lawyer "How can I be arrested for withholding evidence I don't have.Can you get one of those "False Arrest" warrants made up and serve it on Steve McGarrett?"

 

Why did the killers dump the body in the marine pod?  Wouldn't it have been better for her not to be found until weeks later?

I was puzzled about the marine pod myself. I expected, given the emphasis, that the person who put her there would be someone who cared about her or her family. But the only one who was involved in her death who might have fit that bill (the owner of the hula place) wasn't directly involved in the clean-up. I briefly thought maybe it was so the hula club wouldn't be investigated too thoroughly - but a missing girl would still attract less attention than a murdered girl.

 

I don't mind hearing the backstory of other characters, but they could have tied it to the story on hand -- the ME intern could have worked her way through med school working at the hula place, and known the girl, but didn't want to reveal that connection. That was a lot of emoting for someone who just reminded her of someone.

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This episode was so boring. Plus it seemed like just a standard murder (of a sex trade worker no less(I have no issue with sex workers, but typically when there deaths aren't usually made a priority for police departments)), so why the hell was Five-O investigating? The old PI guy was annoying, although I did laugh about him and Steve talking about how he used old school investigative techniques to solve the case. Really, was using the crime lab computers to search tire tread databases (which is what blew the case open) considered an old school technique.

 

Plus the old PI's fight scene was hilarious. I know this is CBS, but does anyone want to see two senior citizens having a foot chase and then a fist fight?

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Actually, I was happily surprised to see that the writers were not going to force Steve into a relationship with Aussie lawyer.  Instead of watching them get closer, we learned that she was trying to set him up on a date, and he wasn't ready.  I loved that actually.

Wait. They'll eventually be more than "just friends." (Not a spoiler. Just feels obvious to me).

I don't mind the Aussie prosecutor but I liked Catherine better.  But I wish the show would quit pretending that they aren't going to put these two together.

Exactly.

As little as I care about Jerry, I care even less about this new trainee medical examiner and her "issues".  Why was so much time devoted to her?  I don't know her at all, and I don't need to know her.  I don't care about her friend that died and how it haunts her blah blah blah and let's go surfin now everybody's learning how come on and safari with me.  Who cares?

New love interest for Danny? (She's a bad actress, though).

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Wow, I love Amanda Setton. I'm bummed to see negative reactions to her. Of course, I was a diehard fan of "the Crazy Ones" and thought she was hysterical on it, so I'm biased toward her. I actually kept thinking about Robin Williams when she was on the surfboard and looking at the sky.

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Wait. They'll eventually be more than "just friends." (Not a spoiler. Just feels obvious to me).

 

 

I don't care if it happens eventually, but I'm glad that "giving Steve a romantic partner" is not high on the writers list right now.  It shouldn't be.  Like I said, Steve has been a one woman guy for the last five years, which is pretty remarkable imo.  I don't see him getting into another relationship or even dating right away, and I was happy to see him push back with Elle.  Why is she setting him up in the first place?  He doesn't need a woman in his life right now.  The guy has serious PTSD issues that I wish Peter would write for because there is NO way that Steve can go through what he has been through ( the murder of his father, the betrayal by his mother, the loss of his Seal BFF just before his father was murdered, the loss of Catherine, and lastly NUMEROUS tortures by Wo-Fat and the like).  There should be some emotional fall-out from all of this, and I would much rather watch that in the latter part of this year than worrying whether or not Elle is going to end up in his bed.  I don't really care for her character.  She's okay, but she's not fantastic either.  I like her on the peripheral, and I hope she stays there for now.  Like I said, I'd rather see more dramatic stories for Steve.

 

New love interest for Danny? (She's a bad actress, though).

 

 

How many love interests does that make for Danny?  He had Rachel, then he had Gabby, now he's with Amber . . . and now maybe, he might be with the new ME?  Lol, 

Wow, I love Amanda Setton. I'm bummed to see negative reactions to her. Of course, I was a diehard fan of "the Crazy Ones" and thought she was hysterical on it, so I'm biased toward her. I actually kept thinking about Robin Williams when she was on the surfboard and looking at the sky.

I like Amanda too, but my feelings regarding her character are not about the actress.  It's about "Why are the writers focusing so much airtime on a character I don't know nor care about when I'd rather watch the Five-O team?"  THAT'S my issue.  I feel like these last two episodes were focused on Max and his BFF from college and this episode was all about the guest star and the ME that I don't know.  I hope this is the last of episodes like this for the New Year.  The show is at his best when it focuses on the main four characters, and we see the rest of the supporting cast sparingly.  

 

I am really hoping that we get back to the main cast and good stories for this upcoming episode.  I do like what I'm hearing from Peter regarding upcoming storylines.  

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I like Amanda too, but my feelings regarding her character are not about the actress.  It's about "Why are the writers focusing so much airtime on a character I don't know nor care about when I'd rather watch the Five-O team?"  THAT'S my issue.  I feel like these last two episodes were focused on Max and his BFF from college and this episode was all about the guest star and the ME that I don't know.  I hope this is the last of episodes like this for the New Year.  The show is at his best when it focuses on the main four characters, and we see the rest of the supporting cast sparingly.

 

 

Ah, Bishop, that makes TOTAL sense - and I wholeheartedly agree. I hope the posters above who think it was just to give the regular cast a break (in addition to AOL's not being around for filming certain eps) are right!

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This episode was so boring. Plus it seemed like just a standard murder (of a sex trade worker no less(I have no issue with sex workers, but typically when there deaths aren't usually made a priority for police departments)), so why the hell was Five-O investigating? 

 

They didn't know she was a sex trade worker when they found here.  Once they did find out, it probably would have been pushed to the back burners except that it was the PI's friend's daughter, so "This time it's PERSONAL!!!"

 

Wow, I love Amanda Setton. I'm bummed to see negative reactions to her. Of course, I was a diehard fan of "the Crazy Ones" and thought she was hysterical on it, so I'm biased toward her. I actually kept thinking about Robin Williams when she was on the surfboard and looking at the sky.

 

I thought she looked kind of familiar.  I loved her on that show too -- here they didn't play to any of her strengths and the only reason they showed her surfing was to display her bod.

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They didn't know she was a sex trade worker when they found here.  Once they did find out, it probably would have been pushed to the back burners except that it was the PI's friend's daughter, so "This time it's PERSONAL!!!"

That is of course is true about not knowing where she worked. That said when Five-0 found out about it, it was just a single murder in the water. Now considering that Oahu is an island you would think the HPD might have some experience with dead bodies in the water, and might not need to call in Five-O.

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