Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[RadioGirl27]

Now I'm having this horrible feeling that they are going to show Emma being nasty to Regina (which is exactly what she deserves) in a way that Emma would look like a bitch and Woegina her poor victim, completed with a flashback to child Emma being incredibly unfair to her adoptive family.

[KingOfHearts]

Now I'm having this horrible feeling that they are going to show Emma being nasty to Regina (which is exactly what she deserves) in a way that Emma would look like a bitch and Woegina her poor victim, completed with a flashback to child Emma being incredibly unfair to her adoptive family.

 

 

As much as I enjoyed the whole Emma vs. Regina feud in S1, it would be terribly inappropriate at this point in time. It's mostly because of Henry, and the fact it could easily blow up into a magic war that could cause a lot more damage. Right now they need to figure out how they're going to share Henry, so it's not the best time to start a riff. Emma and Regina are both people who won't give up easily at all. There are a lot more people at stake here.

Edited September 21, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[Anakerie]

I'm afraid Breaking Glass may refer to fed-up viewers hurling remotes, wine bottles, and small pets/children through their televisions or bricks through A&E's windows. I really don't need Emma, Regina, and Dr. Phil (who you just know was a walrus back in FTL) hashing out their feeling. I might feel better if it was handled old Jerry Springer style with Emma and Regina screaming, throwing chairs, and attempting to tear each other's clothes off. Swanqueen, have we got an episode for you!

[maryle]

I decided to adopt a wait and see attitude about the Emma Regina episode.  I'm hoping for some spoilers and picture soon.

[retrograde]

Cast and A&E have said that Emma feels bad for the whole Marian thing and that Regina ultimately knows Emma didn't intend to hurt her -- and they said this fairly early on, only a few eps in. I would guess they're going to butt heads either over something Henry related, and that will bring other issues to the fore. But who knows. Literally all they have said at this point is that one episode will explore their relationship and what they think of each other. I think it's a bit premature for too much handwringing. 

 

Jane Espenson says she's writing episode 9.

 

ETA: Looks like they managed to get Robert Carlyle out for the premiere. So fingers crossed for some unsanctioned spoilers, while everyone else says, "Hmmmm..." and "You'll just have to watch and see!"

Edited September 22, 2014 by retrograde

[Jean]

I can't believe the gall of A&E and the amount of worshipping they have for Woegina. They really are the cult leaders of the St. Woegina aren't they. The first real Emma centric since Tallahassee, the first real glimpse of Emma's childhood and they're going to make it all about their effing pet? Fuck that.

[retrograde]

I can't believe the gall of A&E and the amount of worshipping they have for Woegina. They really are the cult leaders of the St. Woegina aren't they. The first real Emma centric since Tallahassee, the first real glimpse of Emma's childhood and they're going to make it all about their effing pet? Fuck that.

I don't think they've said that the episode with the flashback will be the same as the one about Emma and Regina. 

[Jean]

I think it's a damn good bet. 2nd episode is Charming's. 3rd episode is the one where Emma is running around with Will and Hook. 4th is Rumple/Hook's and Emma is with Snow Queen. And 6th is Belle's.

I knew there were some on this board that said people would regret asking for Emma's childhood and looks like they pegged A&E perfectly. They're basically sticking the middle finger to everyone but Woegina worshippers. Oh you want more Emma? Here have more of St. woegina instead.

[Serena]

I wonder if people will be livetweeting the screenig? I'm guessing following Twitter will be crazy/entertaining.

[retrograde]

Probably not livetweeting (phones in the cinema are generally a no-no and piss people off), but it does look like plenty of random fans have tickets so I doubt much will stay secret.

[Serena]

Probably not livetweeting (phones in the cinema are generally a no-no and piss people off), but it does look like plenty of random fans have tickets so I doubt much will stay secret.

According to people on Twitter they took people's cameras but not their phones, so I'm betting people won't resist livetweeting. Also, I bet it'll be damn annoying in that cinema, with people swooning out loud every time Hook opens his mouth or Regina cryfaces.

[retrograde]

According to people on Twitter they took people's cameras but not their phones, so I'm betting people won't resist livetweeting. 

Hah, well I hope they do for the sake of everyone else in there. No one is getting a prize or reward for being the first to tweet spoilers.

[Serena]

According to JMO, Emma is getting "pretty damn powerful" this season.

[Rumsy4]

According to JMO, Emma is getting "pretty damn powerful" this season.

 

I really hope JMo's agent had a "chat" with abc about the way her character has been sidelined in the show. Because if Lana could successfully argue against Emma taking custody of Henry (despite the child abuse), then so should JMo. Of course, when it comes to Adam and Eddy, they're probably under the impression that they are doing a great job. So, who knows what "pretty damn powerful" really means? What can top heartless White Magic True Love? 

[KingOfHearts]

http://jennifermorrison.tumblr.com

 

This blogger claims they were at the premiere. There's a Captain Swan kiss, Emma tells Hook she's avoiding him because she feels guilty about Regina, Hook says there's something else, there's a Netflix reference, and Regina kills off the Snow Monster. That's what this person said, not sure how accurate it is.

Edited September 22, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[Souris]

Welp, they went right into the saint-ification of Regina according to her more detailed spoilers.

 

I'm just too tired of it to flip a table right now. Why bother? There would be no upright tables left in my surrounding counties.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Souris

[KingOfHearts]

 

Actually he exchanges the dagger into real one in her purse wanting to start honey moon right :) and he swears on Neal’s grave to do right by him. But in the very end there’s some magic he does with it to discover whose house they are in. But technically he still gave it back to her! And they have really cute scenes for Rumbelle shippers!

 

Whoa, Regina saves Marian's life and Rumple gives Belle the dagger in the first episode. Did not expect that so soon.

 

 

it’s like a little box with stars, which when he hovers his dagger over it converts into a hat

 

Ah, so it is the hat from Sorcerer's Apprentice! I wonder if it has to do with the Dark One, since it involves the dagger. I'm going to guess Henry finds it and runs something amuck.

 

giggleswan:

I’m still pretending the baby’s name isn’t Neal.

 

You know Charming says something like “we should have named him Baelfire” lol.

 

Kudos to Charming. I hope they end up changing it. (Which they won't.)

Edited September 22, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[stealinghome]

Oh...wow. If those spoilers are true, it has actually become insulting to most fanfic writers out there to call this show Regina fan fiction. Just. Wow.

Also, what the hell with the Outlaw Queen fast-tracking. Love??? They have been on *one date*! Sorry, show, but if you want me to take the l word seriously for those two, you needed to show them falling in love over the Missing Year, because one shag and one interrupted date? C'mon, that's laughable.

[pezgirl7]

I'm just going to ignore all the Regina stuff, and focus on the awesome CaptainSwan spoilers. The Netflix line is just plain cruel though, unless at some point they end an episode with Emma and Hook curled up on the couch watching TV.

[Souris]

Oh...wow. If those spoilers are true, it has actually become insulting to most fanfic writers out there to call this show Regina fan fiction. Just. Wow.

Also, what the hell with the Outlaw Queen fast-tracking. Love??? They have been on *one date*! Sorry, show, but if you want me to take the l word seriously for those two, you needed to show them falling in love over the Missing Year, because one shag and one interrupted date? C'mon, that's laughable.

 

I know it and you know it, and yet apparently Outlaw Queen got the biggest cheers of the night. So there ya go.

 

More spoilers.

* Marian simply cannot understand why everyone in Storybrooke is being so dang nice to the Evil Queen!

 

You and me both, Marian. You and me both.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Souris

[Shanna Marie]

While I love getting hints and teases, I don't really want a lot of actual details about the entire episode, so I may have to avoid this thread for the coming week.

 

But before I go into hiding, I was rewatching Frozen tonight, and that spurred a thought that's not entirely related, but it was one of those mental rabbit trails that started with the scene where Elsa accidentally hits Anna in the head with the ice thingy in the beginning: If there's something from Emma's childhood that makes her want to back off from Hook, why didn't that affect her relationship with Neal? I suppose we could have skipped over the issues part and gone straight to them being together, but I didn't get the impression they faced any up-front problems.

 

Was it a cumulative thing, where Neal plus this thing has her afraid, or was it, as we've been speculating, was it something magic that she didn't realize at the time was magic-related, but now that she's aware of magic she's realized what it is and that it could be a threat? Or maybe she hadn't even considered the magic angle until she meets Elsa and learns what happened to her sister and has the big "wow, that's like what happened that time" and that's when she backs off from Hook?

[Hookian]

Oh...wow. If those spoilers are true, it has actually become insulting to most fanfic writers out there to call this show Regina fan fiction. Just. Wow.

Also, what the hell with the Outlaw Queen fast-tracking. Love??? They have been on *one date*! Sorry, show, but if you want me to take the l word seriously for those two, you needed to show them falling in love over the Missing Year, because one shag and one interrupted date? C'mon, that's laughable.

 

Who says they won't. We will see missing year flashbacks. I'm positive this has to do with OQ.

[Rumsy4]

They didn't even wait for one episode before Regina's saving the day singlehanded, and Marian's already calling her a saint. Wow! I'm too tired to flip tables too. I might as well resign myself to the deification of Regina by the end of 4A. At least I won't be in for a rude shock. 

 

Yeah, Emma. Take all your issues out on the one person who's always there for you. More manufactured CS angst ala S3B, because she's clearly not avoiding any one else--only Hook. And yeah, she totally needs to avoid Hook because Regina's two-day romance got derailed. Why take his feelings into consideration?

 

Interesting that Rumple switched the fake for the real dagger. Still foolish to let her carry it around in her purse. And people were right about the Sorcerer's Apprentice Hat. Yay! I doubt Mickey Mouse will make an appearance--I just think the hat will turn out to be an important Wizard's old hat.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Rumsy4

[pezgirl7]

I don't think Emma avoids Hook for too long. That poster said they were together in almost every scene they were in, and Emma is the one who initiates the kiss at the end.

Another spoiler about baby Neal:

You know Charming says something like “we should have named him Baelfire” lol.

Interested to know the context that was said in.

[Souris]

But before I go into hiding, I was rewatching Frozen tonight, and that spurred a thought that's not entirely related, but it was one of those mental rabbit trails that started with the scene where Elsa accidentally hits Anna in the head with the ice thingy in the beginning: If there's something from Emma's childhood that makes her want to back off from Hook, why didn't that affect her relationship with Neal? I suppose we could have skipped over the issues part and gone straight to them being together, but I didn't get the impression they faced any up-front problems.

 

Was it a cumulative thing, where Neal plus this thing has her afraid, or was it, as we've been speculating, was it something magic that she didn't realize at the time was magic-related, but now that she's aware of magic she's realized what it is and that it could be a threat? Or maybe she hadn't even considered the magic angle until she meets Elsa and learns what happened to her sister and has the big "wow, that's like what happened that time" and that's when she backs off from Hook?

 

I suspect it was that she never even thought any issues were because of magic when she was with Neal. She would never even have thought about magic then. But now she knows she has magic, so she realized that's what caused whatever happened in the past.

 

Why take his feelings into consideration?

 

Interesting that Rumple switched the fake for the real dagger. Still foolish to let her carry it around in her purse. And people were right about the Sorcerer's Apprentice Hat. Yay! I doubt Mickey Mouse will make an appearance--I just think the hat will turn out to be an important Wizard's old hat.

 

Merlin? Dumbledore? ;) And, yes, it's silly for Belle to carry the dagger in her purse. Anybody could take it from her if Rumple's not around.

 

Silly, everybody knows Regina's feelings are more important than anybody else's!

Edited September 22, 2014 by Souris

[Rumsy4]

Merlin? Dumbledore? ;) 

 

Silly, everybody knows Regina's feelings are more important than anybody else's!

 

Totes Gandalf! ;-)

 

I might almost have to start believing in Swan Queen if Emma puts Regina's feelings over Hook's. :-O

 

 

I don't think Emma avoids Hook for too long. That poster said they were together in almost every scene they were in, and Emma is the one who initiates the kiss at the end.

 

Well... there's together, and there's together. They always run around together trying to save the day (except when Regina swoops in and save  it at the end all by herself), and Emma's always the one initiating kisses. I just hope Emma isn't the one calling all the shots in the relationship. I want them to be equal partners, not Hook unsure of where he stands forever. I thought his line saying he hopes he won't get killed by the Snow Monster waiting for her was funny, though. Foreshadowing for Frozen Heart plot? It might be too soon for a CS TLK, though. 

Edited September 22, 2014 by Rumsy4

[InsertWordHere]

I'm guessing someone says Neal's name and either Emma or Henry think they're talking about DeadNeal, prompting Charming to say, "we should have named him Baelfire." (Which isn't any better IMO)

[pezgirl7]

Here's a more detailed description of the first episode:

http://jennifermorrison.tumblr.com/post/98120881731

[KingOfHearts]

"Last scenes: Regina calls Sydney, she tells him, we need to find whoeever wrote Henry’s book, and make him to write the book so villains get happy endings too."

 

Ah, so maybe we'll get the book author mystery solved this season.

 

So after reading the recap, I'm kind of glad Regina didn't start a whole "Kill Marian!" campaign. I can see her being upset and wallowing for a while, which isn't unnatural. I don't really blame Emma for trying to make amends with her. It's not because she thinks Regina's amazing, but because she wants everyone to be happy. She doesn't kiss up to do it, either. I say Go Emma!

 

I actually do like the study scene, believe it or not. It's not about Regina or her victimhood. It's about Emma being compassionate toward the woman who has made her life crap and done many evil things. Good is relentless, and Emma is definitely portraying that here. It's not about Regina - it's about good continuing to be good even in the midst of the darkest of evils.

 

I can't wait for the sneak peeks this week.

Edited September 22, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[InsertWordHere]

I freaking love that Emma asked Hook to watch Netflix.

Reserving judgement on the Emma/Regina scene at the end until I see it onscreen, but I'm betting that Emma vowing to bring Regina her happy ending is going to be seen as romantic by some.

Edited September 22, 2014 by InsertWordHere

[stealinghome]

They didn't even wait for one episode before Regina's saving the day singlehanded, and Marian's already calling her a saint. Wow! I'm too tired to flip tables too. I might as well resign myself to the deification of Regina by the end of 4A. At least I won't be in for a rude shock.

Is there any chance that they might actually have Regina ascend to heaven at the end of the season and free us from her forever? :)

[kili]

Marian starts shouting MONSTER at Regina, but everyones sympathetic towards Regina and Marian doesn’t understand

 

Isn't that part of the definition of a Mary Sue?...any character who does not like her is a jerk.

 

when Marian, Robin, Charming, Emma and Hook are in woods with Snow Monster atacking, SM blows everyone off and Marian is still concious

 

In the past, it took them an entire sub-season to get to this point. I guess they just decided to skip the foreplay and go straight to Emma and the gang being completely useless and needing Regina to save the day all by herself.  I hope they put padding in those leather jackets for Charming, Emma and Hook because it's going to get cold lying on the ground for every save-the-day scene.

 

we see Regina did that. And Marian tells her you’re not a monster

 

Of course...she was just locked in a prison by Regina in preparation for an execution after being trotted around and her pleas laughed at, but Marian was wrong to call  Regina a Monster. Now she is properly cheering and in awe of Regina. Tomorrow, she can tell Robin that he should divorce her, take Roland and go live with Regina. Or would that be waiting too long? Perhaps she should apologize to Regina for the sin of marrying Robin while Regina was distracted dealing with the fiance-killing, mom-murdering brat, Snow.

[retrograde]

Well. I was pretty sure I knew how this episode would go, but I was wrong on a lot of counts, apparently.

 

High fives to myself (and anyone else) for picking the Sorcerers Apprentice thing, at least.

 

I thought they would drag out the Emma/Hook avoidance stuff until episode 3 (I mean, it sounds like they still do in a way, but that is actually way more open, honest discussion than I expected). So that's good, though it sounds like it's still more of him chasing her. They need to switch that dynamic up at some point.

 

I also thought they would drag "Regina goes semi-evil" out waaaay longer before they inevitably had her save Marian's life. Ugggh. So to everyone who said "worst case scenario" and I responded with "well hang on, let's see how it plays out..." I'll just be over here eating my hat. At least she does appear to see some of the error of her way with the mirror thing? But wanting to rewrite the book in her favor is a terrible and selfish response. 

[FabulousTater]

My favorite part of that detailed description of the s4 premiere episode that was linked to a few posts up:

Next scene, one of the saddest ones - Regina is in her study, on the ground, Emma knocks at her door and Regina doesn’t open, her back is against the wall and Emma is on other side - think when young Anna was going to Elsa to ask to play - and Emma tells her she knows it’s really hard and she wishes she could do something, she says - I came to this town to bring everyone happy endings, and I swear I will not rest until I bring you happy ending too. And she leaves. Regina is crying.

ROFLMAO! OMG, you guys, this is so STUPID and ABSURD! Regina ruined Emma's life, but that doesn't fucking matter. Nope, 'cause here they've replicated the scene from Frozen (between Elsa and Anna) and they have Emma all like "Do you wanna build a Snowman? Okay, Bye. But, I'll get you your happy ending, Regina! Because, gosh darnit, you deserve it!"

 

I can't do anything but laugh my ass off. The degrees of stupidity finally achieved by this show --- It has no equal in stupid, in awful, in pure, unadulterated crappola! It's refined bullshit served fresh to you on Sundays. LOL! There's no more flipping tables to be had here. I straight up quit. I'm so done with this show and I'm laughing! Hey A&E - SCREW YOU!

Edited September 22, 2014 by FabulousTater

[InsertWordHere]

If it's the next day or ten hours after the finale kiss, how on earth is Emma considered to be avoiding Hook? That's not avoidance, it's called sleeping.

I love how on this show, some things didn't change in a year, but give it a whole ten hours and things really happen! Pacing problems again.

Edited September 22, 2014 by InsertWordHere

[FurryFury]

I can't even decide if I should have read the spoilers - on one hand, they're infuriating and I'm now fuming and I have a whole day of work before me, which this rage won't help at all, on the other hand, at least now I'm ready for the episode itself and will just calmly fast-forward Regina's worst bits without getting shocked that the writers once again showed us who's the real protagonist of the show.

Sigh. You can't just win with Once.

[Jean]

I must say I think I'm finally, fully on board Belle and Rumbelle now. It's the only area of the show left uncontaminated by the soul sucker.

I'm hoping my earlier spec is true. That Rumple is going after the sorcerer's power signified by the hat, and that's the only reason he's thinking of giving up the Dark Curse powers.

[Souris]

Reserving judgement on the Emma/Regina scene at the end until I see it onscreen, but I'm betting that Emma vowing to bring Regina her happy ending is going to be seen as romantic by some.

 

Regina ripping Emma's heart out and eating it with some fava beans and a nice chianti would be seen as romantic by some.

 

So that's good, though it sounds like it's still more of him chasing her. They need to switch that dynamic up at some point.

 

I also thought they would drag "Regina goes semi-evil" out waaaay longer before they inevitably had her save Marian's life. Ugggh. So to everyone who said "worst case scenario" and I responded with "well hang on, let's see how it plays out..." I'll just be over here eating my hat. At least she does appear to see some of the error of her way with the mirror thing? But wanting to rewrite the book in her favor is a terrible and selfish response. 

 

Of course it is. It's Regina. The only happy ending will be hers! I'm guessing that the search for the book's author is the Regina/Henry quest that A&E mentioned.

 

And, yes, they need to switch up the Hook/Emma dynamic some so she's chasing him a bit. I'll be in the corner chanting "Kai! Gerda!"

 

Honestly, I'm only here anymore for Captain Swan, Charming and the Frozen and supporting characters. Possibly Will depending on how they handle his showing up.

 

More spoilers:

 

Promo in the credits showed diner frozen in, Emma hugging, holding Henry, another scene where Emma is on the ground and Elsa is over her and everything around them is frozen, Emma’s wearing brown jacket. Hook, Charming and Snow together talking about Emma, ‘she will freeze her!’ one of them Charming or Hook says?

That’s all I can remember now.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Souris

[kili]

Hook, Charming and Snow together talking about Emma, ‘she will freeze her!’ one of them Charming or Hook says?

 

Don't worry, Regina will dry her tears for a few moments and show her saintlike ability to forgive Emma for her huge transgression of saving a life and will save the day yet again.

 

Twist! - This time, only Emma has to lie on the ground being useless. Charming and Hook get to stand around being useless.

[retrograde]

So I just watched the Sorcerers Apprentice scene from Fantasia to see if there was anything there I'd forgotten (I hated Fantasia as a kid so much, I never watched it properly), but I discovered.. I still really hate Fantasia. But the "point" of that scene (and the original) is that the apprentice can't really control his master's magic, right? So who is the apprentice? Henry or Hook? Or Rumple? If the sorcerer was living in that house, they should probably still be around Storybrooke somewhere, right?

[Souris]

Once again, Kristin from E! gets something wrong. No. 3 seems like she got Elsa and Anna mixed up. Obviously Anna is the one getting married, not Elsa. I hope that gets corrected.

[FurryFury]

The best twist of the episode also has nothing to do with Frozen, but rather Regina's reaction to Marion reuniting with her love Robin.

 

*facepalm.jpg*

We already know the twist, and there's nothing awesome about it. Ugh.

 

The episode starts off in Arendelle (adjacent), going way back in time, and pretty much debunks that popular Frozen-Tangled tie-in theory.

 

Of course, because Disney movie canon and Once canon are one and the same.

 

Confusing Elsa with Anna was hilarious, though. Oh Kristin, you and your inept journalism. Don't ever change.

[Jean]

Well, she also wrote Bleeding Through, so...

I'm going to give Jane the benefit of the doubt. Not even freaking Shakespeare can make the A&E directive of "everyone kneels and worships St. Woegina and Eva is of the devil" palatable. She made Rumbelle in Skin Deep seem charming though. That's gotta count for something. As we can see no other writer has been able to do that again.

I think I've also figured out her episode/Charming's centric. If the promo for episode 2 is Elsa freezing Emma stuff then I'm guessing the parallel is Charming's friend that changed his life in his shephard days is what Elsa and Emma's new friendship will be. His friend is Will right?

But the "point" of that scene (and the original) is that the apprentice can't really control his master's magic, right? So who is the apprentice

Rumple is the apprentice? He can't control the Dark Curse. We are getting the origin of that so are they saying the Mickey hat is the original evil? Lol that's their twist?

[FurryFury]

She made Rumbelle in Skin Deep seem charming though.

 

I guess I'm the only one who never cared for them even in Skin Deep. Granted, I've never seen "Beauty and the Beast" (and I'm so not going to) and I disliked de Ravin after Lost. I still think it would have been so much more powerful to kill Belle off instead of making her a pointless regular without any interesting stories.

Edited September 22, 2014 by FurryFury

[Serena]

The Regina spoilers are disgusting. I feel like the Netflix like is Adam and Eddy finally achieving maximum trolling. They probably laughed themselves silly over that. But I'm looking forward to the CS scenes, at least.

[YaddaYadda]

The quote about Hook dying sounds about right. And Emma, it's nice to want everyone to have their happy ending, but what about yours woman?

And the whole name thing, here's a thought, how about not Neal and not Baelfire. And Marian is already drinking the kool-aid. Not gonna lie, looking forward to CS but not sure about the rest.

[Rumsy4]

We all knew A&E worship Regina. All the plots points for the disgusting triangle that we predicted would happen through S4A happened in one episode. That's what bothers me--where do they go from here? And paralleling Anna and Elsa with Emma and Regina? Hilarious. Because a murdering psychopath's past biting her in the ass is the same thing as Elsa's "icy-little problem". Face-palm.

I feel less enthusiastic about the season now. However, we do get a CS kiss in the first episode! And there's one more in Episode 3! I just hope Emma doesn't keep pushing Hook away for Regina's sake. She just saw that woman burn her mother alive! Do A&E know how basic human psychology works?

Regina's really the luckiest person in all the realms. Her own victims think she is a saint and deserves a happy ending, even as they wonder if she's going to turn psycho-bitch again. I almost wish they'd ruin CS so I can stop watching the damn show. Their Regina-worship really bothers me.

[Serena]

Regina and Henry's quest is dumb and makes no sense. So now Regina thinks the author of the book decides who gets happy endings? How about you make your own destiny, moron? Ugh.

[kili]

There's a giant surprise in Storybrooke and the whole thing looks more like a Ghostbusters throwback than a Frozen throwback.  It's campy and fun.

 

If it was a Ghostbuster's throwback, the entire gang would have worked together to stop it. Why keep setting up super powerful magical problems that Regina solves all on her own? It's getting repetative. A super powerful problem that requires input from many people to resolve would actually be a twist at this point.

[RadioGirl27]

God, I wish I hadn't read those spoilers because now I'm really mad. The show has turned into a bad fanfiction. The only thing I'm looking forward is that CS scene, and even that it's starting to get infuriating.