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8 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

The Nautilus episode was one of the most filler episodes of 6A, so it's odd that we're getting a continuation of it in 6B. I really don't care about it at all.

6B is shaping up to be the most boring and unoriginal arc yet.

Yeah, it was as filler as they come, but it's an episode that somehow felt kind of important.

That said, I can do without 2.0's return. 

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10 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

The Nautilus episode was one of the most filler episodes of 6A, so it's odd that we're getting a continuation of it in 6B. I really don't care about it at all.

6B is shaping up to be the most boring and unoriginal arc yet.

Seems par for the course that they would pick the weakest storylines.

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On 12/29/2016 at 10:10 AM, Souris said:

Filler or no, I feel like we should parade around on a sedan chair and wave palm fronds over any episode not centered on Regina or RB this season.

I totally agree. While Nemo & Liam 2.0 were filler (and really what wasn't filler in 6A), at least it had some kick ass sets and was a break from the Regina/EQ-fest. I'm looking forward to any focus we get on Hook & Emma in 6B - regardless of how important it is to the overall plot.

26 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

So August filmed in Storybrooke for 6x12? That's kind of weird. I thought he was only coming back to help Emma/Regina in Regenie World.

Yes, he definitely filmed a scene with Hook in front of Emma/Hook's house for 6x12. It was the same day they filmed scenes with Hook & David, so I wonder if he has something to do with the mystery around David's dad...

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20 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

Yes, he definitely filmed a scene with Hook in front of Emma/Hook's house for 6x12. It was the same day they filmed scenes with Hook & David, so I wonder if he has something to do with the mystery around David's dad...

August: "Oh? David's dad? Yeah, I know all about it."
Emma: "How the hell..."
August: "The Dragon told me. No wait... what is it the Apprentice? Actually. Pan. Yes, it was Pan."
Hook: "Why would Pan know?"
Rumple (pops out from behind a tree): "Your questions are pointless."

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Is it too much to ask that Killian finds out August was part of the Brains Trust that came up with the 'brilliant' plan that sent Emma to prison...and just ends him on the spot?? Don't suppose there was any filming spoilers about Killian cleaning blood off that pretty white picket fence....

Yes, I  know.....but A&E keep telling me this is a show about hope...so I'm hoping...!

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maryle

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So, they will be back this week I still kinda care.

Definitely Hoping for a spoiler about CS filming but even that prospect is not what it used to be. 

Probably, because I can't put my finger what the main story Will be.

The Saviors fate featuring Emma, Aladdin and Gideon or the Rumple family drama featuring Emma. Adding the unresolved EQ split and the Charming new darkness.  Nothing is fitting together well.

The show as the fandom is too dividing and it is becoming harder to integrate the storyline organically.  There too much protagonist! 

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KingOfHearts

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I'm confused on what 6B is supposed to be about. I know at least some of the main characters are going to Agrabah, but why would they? Aladdin and Jasmine wished themselves there. Even if Snow was like, "Oh noes! My new BFF-but-not-really-because-Regina is in trouble! We have to be heroes, ditch everyone here, and go help them!", how would she know they were in trouble? Is Abu going to show up to cry for help? (Snow: "Wait! I speak monkey!") It's weird that they're not going anywhere until the 4th episode.

We've also got to wrap up the Wish World, endure meaningless Regina/Robin angst, deal with Evil Cobra, go through the motions with the Daddy Charming reveal, watch Emma die a false death al a Buffy, cure the Sleeping Inconvenience, and generously moan over the Rumpbeldeon drama. The Black Fairy is somewhere in there too, but more than likely she's just a prop for the Golds. There's really no room for a Captain Swan engagement, but it's getting shoved in some cranny.

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I've been wondering if it's not a trip because of Emma's whole Savior business.

Jasmine in the flashbacks from 6x05 seemed to be hinting that there was a Savior in her family some generations ago, and so it might seem like a good place to start and a good reason to send Emma and Hook (and whoever else is supposed to tag along) there for whatever answers it is that they need.

Although I'd think it would have been easier to go for answers about the Saviors BEFORE this Gideon business.

I'm still convinced that bringing Robin back for a few episodes has thrown a few storylines up in the air, including Emma's.

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KingOfHearts

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Although I'd think it would have been easier to go for answers about the Saviors BEFORE this Gideon business.

Well, Gideon is going to have to be dealt with pretty early. If his sole mission is to kill Emma, something's gotta happen to either change his mind or prevent him from being successful.

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3 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

I'm confused on what 6B is supposed to be about. I know at least some of the main characters are going to Agrabah, but why would they? Aladdin and Jasmine wished themselves there. Even if Snow was like, "Oh noes! My new BFF-but-not-really-because-Regina is in trouble! We have to be heroes, ditch everyone here, and go help them!", how would she know they were in trouble? Is Abu going to show up to cry for help? (Snow: "Wait! I speak monkey!") It's weird that they're not going anywhere until the 4th episode.

We've also got to wrap up the Wish World, endure meaningless Regina/Robin angst, deal with Evil Cobra, go through the motions with the Daddy Charming reveal, watch Emma die a false death al a Buffy, cure the Sleeping Inconvenience, and generously moan over the Rumpbeldeon drama. The Black Fairy is somewhere in there too, but more than likely she's just a prop for the Golds. There's really no room for a Captain Swan engagement, but it's getting shoved in some cranny.

It sounds like a mishmash of storylines, so they got rid of split arcs for this.

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5 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

There's really no room for a Captain Swan engagement, but it's getting shoved in some cranny.

 

Only This Show™ would shove the main character's engagement to her True Love to a quick 2-minute (if that) segment right at the end of a filler episode. The Princess Bride wouldn't work if they only showed 2 minutes of screen time for Buttercup and Westley, and even Star Wars gave Han and Leia more time than Captain Swan has gotten.

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Engagement already?  No no no.  There are many stages left.  

At the end of 6B, Emma finally acknowledges in front of *other people* that she loves Hook, in a situation where he, she and the other people are not dying.

At the end of 7A, Emma gives her first valentine to Hook.

At the end of 7B, Emma and Hook decide that they might someday want to have a pet.

Perhaps Season 11 would be an appropriate time for an engagement.  You don't want to rush things.

On 12/23/2016 at 4:51 PM, RadioGirl27 said:

EP  Adam Horowitz says. “It’s a bunch of different things as the story crescendos. We’re trying to change things up a little bit where it’s not just ‘We’re going to be in one place for half a season and just explore that.’ There’s a unifying theme at play in the second half, but it’s not about location, it’s about this story and the conflict between characters.”

"It's a bunch of different things".  Oooh, how eclectic.  Yet there's a "unifying theme... it's about this story".  What's "this story"?  Right, he answered it earlier with "It's a bunch of different things".  

I love these spoilers... yeah, there's a story, and there's conflict and there's a bunch of different things.  Missed his true calling of becoming a politician describing the next session in the House.

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I for one am happy that Nemo and 2.0 are back, and not relegated to forgotten character island (especially as it's Hook brother, and is actually in Storybrooke). And Dark Waters was my second favorite episode this season. Not saying Liam 2.0 is a scintillating character, but I was really happy that the writers at least resolved his fate than leave that plot thread from 5A dangling. Plus it will be great to see Nemo and the Nautilus again.

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45 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

The Black Fairy is totally Liam 2.0's mother... or maybe she took him to the Dark Realm, and that's how he aged so quickly. (Sorry, I have no interest in Liam 2.0 and I'm trying to desperately to make his story for more intriguing.)

He aged because he wasn't in Cora Dome.

I also don't care for Liam 2.0. Out of all the characters they chose to bring back, it had to be one of the Liams. I'm not fond of the older one either.

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  looking around at another forum to see the spoiler from today and all I saw was pseudo snowing fans angry that Emma have a storyline not including her snowing and she should focus on helping her parents instead of going on a mission.

That what I meaning by the show is too dividing now.

People judge all spoiler only via how it will give screen time or importance to their fans and lost all objectivity in the process.  Everytime there CS spoiler some people are angry at Emma not being with others. Maybe if you just give a little more screen time to her instead...

As a CS fans I am fans with the spoiler and actually I will take more like this over any EQ campy scene.

The Savior arc can still be good and with Gideon storyline should be the main focus because they can easily going together. 

If they really have some scene in the Nautilus before arriving at Agarab there a bigger chance for at least two episode. Now, I hope the CS adventure have CS being actually together.

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9 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Hook was always in Cora Dome. I think the Nautilus can cross through the barrier because it's a submarine. 

That's the stuff we were talking about when the episode aired, like 2.0 griping about all the time he spent alone on the docks before Nemo found him, but the curse happened very soon after his father died, so he didn't grow up alone on the docks for years. He apparently went straight from this incident to the Land of Untold Stories, where time was frozen, and that happened at some point during the curse.  I guess he might have spent some time frozen as a kid before being taken away by Nemo, but it couldn't have been that much for him to have grown up and then spent a good chunk of the curse years frozen again. On the other hand, there's the issue of what could have happened during the curse. We'd been led to believe that the people in the dome were truly frozen, not just going about their lives without aging, which was why Philip and Mulan had only just found Aurora when we "met" them. They'd been looking since time started moving again. But then we see Hook able to be sailing the seas and having adventures. So, yeah, ask Adam. Dare you.

As for the return of 2.0, my main thing there is that Hook's little brother -- his only living biological family -- is kind of a big deal, so some follow-up is nice, and I liked Nemo and the Nautilus. The jury's out on the character himself. Unlike a lot of people on this show, he seems to have learned something, which is nice, and he has a shred of empathy.

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8 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

That's the stuff we were talking about when the episode aired, like 2.0 griping about all the time he spent alone on the docks before Nemo found him, but the curse happened very soon after his father died, so he didn't grow up alone on the docks for years. He apparently went straight from this incident to the Land of Untold Stories, where time was frozen, and that happened at some point during the curse.

I don't know if I'm misreading this, but if I'm not, then Liam didn't go straight from the docks to the Land of Untold Stories.

They found the key with Hook and Liam was already in his 20s and that was during the dark curse. Regina's 1st attempt at the dark curse failed, then she took Henry's heart and it worked. I don't think we know how long passed before her second attempt. It could have been a few days, it could have been a few weeks. Nemo found Lame, he took him, they left the EF before the curse happened, and likely went back because of the magical harpoon and found Hook and went looking for the key for the Land of Untold Stories. They were likely some 10 years into the dark curse and Hook trying to get wherever he was trying to get and not looking like an idiot at all complaining about how slow his crew was because seriously, what's the rush.

I saw the names of the people filming today, and Gideon is like a hair in the soup. 

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1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

don't know if I'm misreading this, but if I'm not, then Liam didn't go straight from the docks to the Land of Untold Stories.

I probably didn't phrase it well, but that's not what I meant. I meant that the curse hit almost immediately after Liam was orphaned, and since we know he went straight to the Land of Untold Stories after we saw his encounter with Hook during the curse, he must have done whatever growing up he did after the curse, outside the dome, before coming back to the dome. He couldn't have "grown up" on the docks since time stopped moving soon after he was orphaned. He might have spent some time stuck the same age at the docks, but he didn't "grow up" there. And that still doesn't address the fact that previous discussions of life in the Coradome made it sound like they were essentially frozen. Even in Storybrooke, there was that Groundhog Day thing going on, so it seemed like before Emma got there things more or less reset themselves. It's hard to imagine how you can fit major adventures into that time, so that whole episode taking place during the curse doesn't make a lot of sense. But nothing about the way they deal with time has made a lot of sense.

As for Gideon, the age reversion stuff is kind of creepy, but I wouldn't mind him being turned back into a baby before all this is done because yet another kid being taken away from its parents and being reunited with them soon afterward as an adult is just too depressing. Let Belle actually have her baby who doesn't remember growing up and being turned evil by his evil grandmother.

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KingOfHearts

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As for Gideon, the age reversion stuff is kind of creepy, but I wouldn't mind him being turned back into a baby before all this is done because yet another kid being taken away from its parents and being reunited with them soon afterward as an adult is just too depressing. Let Belle actually have her baby who doesn't remember growing up and being turned evil by his evil grandmother.

If I'm being brutally honest, and a bit cheeky, I'd say the Black Fairy was probably a better mother than Belle could ever be. As you may notice, I'm a bit callous when it comes to the bookworm with Stockholm syndrome.

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2 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

That's the stuff we were talking about when the episode aired, like 2.0 griping about all the time he spent alone on the docks before Nemo found him, but the curse happened very soon after his father died, so he didn't grow up alone on the docks for years. 

He actually went to and suffered in Fictional Lonely Docks Land for several years before he met Nemo.  I think that's part of his next flashback.

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RadioGirl27

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JWhat are you talking about? JMO and Colin filmed today as did Nemo, Liam, Aladdin and Jasmine.

They're all filming together which should be good news for us because it's very clear this is the start of the CS adventure. 

Jennifer and Colin filmed today but we don't know if they filmed together. As far as we know Colin filmed with Karen and Jennifer with Giles. And that's it. 

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maryle

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Don't want to be pessimistic but I will only be sure about CS filming together if we do have a real spoiler about it.

Logically they should CS are the couple that the most need some meaningful time together. Even, more when probably their storyline this season Will ending with a proposal.

But, for now all we know is Hook probably share a scene with Jasmine and Emma with Gedeon at the CS House. The Gideon stuff is still intriguing last time he spoke to Hook. And now Emma herself. Does he still want to kill her. 

Gideon storyline doesn't seem just about the rumbelle drama but still at least a bit about the Savior fate and mythology. I am very happy about that. keep up this way and 6b can have some coherence and a big plus Regina doesn't seem to have any connections with him.  

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Hookian

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3 hours ago, RadioGirl27 said:

Jennifer and Colin filmed today but we don't know if they filmed together. As far as we know Colin filmed with Karen and Jennifer with Giles. And that's it. 

No that's not it but whatever. This is the clear indication of the CS adventure A and E teased. It's happening immediately after the OQ arc wraps. Colin also clearly filmed with Liam 2.0 and Nemo.

In 14 Colin also filmed with Giles. Maybe Gideon is the one that convinces Emma and Hook to go to Agrabah for some reason.

maryle

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Actually, there also a possibility that Emma stay in Storybook dealing with Gideon and just Hook goes with Jasmine.

 Sorry! But, if it is that the big CS adventure leading to their engagement. I don't want it!

Even, OQ have actually more screen time together than Emma and Hook in 6b. I am very careful!

 Nothing than a real storyline involving both half of CS will be acceptable for me to buy their probable engagement.

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I'm so desperate for spoilers. I got a notification from Twitter saying Adam and Jen followed "Diego Luna" on twitter, and I thought it was going to be a new actor on Once Upon a Time. I went on here, didn't see the Spoilers Only page light up, then I saw he was the captain on Rogue One via Google.

One of those "I have no life" stories.

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Actually, there also a possibility that Emma stay in Storybook dealing with Gideon and just Hook goes with Jasmine.

Yeah. Emma is not going anywhere without dealing with Gideon first. We are talking about helping Aladdin and Jasmine, not Regina. She would send Hook to Agrabah but she would stay in Storybrooke. Not only because of Gideon, what would happen if Regina breaks a nail and Emma is not there to coddle her? 

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1 hour ago, RadioGirl27 said:

She would send Hook to Agrabah but she would stay in Storybrooke.

Hook's centrics tend to be with people other than Emma. Still, Emma's only story this season has been her savior-shakes. That makes it pretty sure Emma will go to Agrabah to deal with the savior-plot. Besides, by this Show's standards, Emma and Aladdin are BFFs, on par with Emma's friendship with Elsa, August, and Lily. There's no way she's not going to help out her new best friend.

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maryle

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I don't want to sound negative or anything.

the new spoiler about a all girls out except Belle( by the bartender actor )is also adding in the not much CS adventure column for EP. 15 

I am not even sure if it's more Killian centric or Emma didn't care because l thought it was mostly about jaladin and CS but if it is not.  Really hard to speculate for it.  

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