Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[RedKeep]

1 hour ago, Rumsy4 said:

Why is the AU supposed to be this way? This is not the storybook AU written by Issac. As @KingOfHearts said, a no-Curse AU should theoretically be a mix of both good and bad changes.

This is the way I understood it as well. It wouldn't make any sense to me if someone wishing for a world in which the curse never happened ended up creating some sort of hellish alternative timeline in which the characters are all terribly unhappy. There'll be some obvious, steep consequences the characters won't be able to accept - like Henry not being born - but that doesn't mean literally everything that could come out of such an AU would be terrible.

[PixiePaws1]

We may not be Henry-free in the AU. If the wish 'originates' from SB then strictly speaking Henry as the Author should record it and be aware of the results. Who knows how his being the Author affects things. He wasn't pulled to Isaac's AU probably because Isaac wrote it excluding him....different rules this time.

[maryle]

The au could still  be having some fun moments.

Mostly whatever is happening with older Hook, Pinocchio and Emma and everything about Emma and her parents. 

But,  the withewashing for both Regina and Rumple , that sure to be pretty heavy  going forward , just don't interest me.

I plan to watch the next episode and the final but I am not sure when ever they come back in the springs.

I am here for scary Rumple and CS together but Rumbelle  back together by some giant twist don't appeal to me.

 Adding about the CS problem this year for me.

It is not only about the lack of CS domestic scene even if it become more obvious with all the others  relationship having this kind of scene.

It is the lack of CS adventure or storyline together sure Rumbelle have this creepy soap that turned me off completely from them.

But their story is about them (always) when we know it will be a Rumple episode or Belle episode. We are sure that Rumbelle will have a heavy focus in it. That the reason I can't remember the number of their break up and made up.

They are the Ross and Rachel of Once at this point.

But, Emma episode mean she will be with Regina or some random character where she will learn the same lesson over and over again. Similar with Hook.

And, if they do have another season (7) when I see people believing they will going have 8, I just laughs. They won't. 

 

 So, yes time for some real pay off for the protagonist of the show (Emma) and her  real love interest.

And a real Storyline too.  

Edited November 25, 2016 by maryle
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[RadioGirl27]

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It is not only about the lack of CS domestic scene even if it become more obvious with all the others  relationship having this kind of scene.

Yeah. I'm still waiting for a conversación between them about Emma's visión, why she lied to him and how he feels about both thing, the possible death and the lie. But instead, I'm getting a meaningless AU, old Hook and another separation. 

[RadioGirl27]

8 minutes ago, RadioGirl27 said:

Once Upon a Time winter finale: Why have the Charmings gone regal? — exclusive

Ugh, Henry as a knight. This looks even worse than I thought. It's Operation Mongoose with Regina in Henry's and Emma's role.

Edited November 25, 2016 by RadioGirl27

[PixiePaws1]

My 1st thought  (which I hope is completely and utterly wrong of the most wrongest, ever)

Is that poor judgement-impaired Princess Emma still had sex with the hideous MoronFire to produce ...... THAT..!

Please..please..just...no!

So much for avoiding Henry in the AU.

[Curio]

Damn it. Who let Henry into the alternate universe? (Seriously, how is he there?! Unless this is more like a dream world and everything is an illusion.)

I can't handle two terrible finales in a row. The summer hiatus only went by fast because I wasn't looking forward to Season 6, but if the fall finale is terrible as well, I might have to quit this show for good. Maybe I'll watch my favorite characters on Youtube after the episodes air, but the OUAT con list officially outweighs the pro list at this point.

If Henry is in the AU, what will be the characters' motivations to get back to Storybrooke? I can buy them needing to get back if they're all under a trance and their sleeping bodies are lying around Storybrooke while their minds are in the AU, but if it's actually a legit different timeline, I don't buy it. Emma is finally in her rightful place as heir to the throne and she has her True Love son and her parents with her. And apparently Hook isn't dead, so there's always a chance Emma and him can still get together even if the writers try to throw August shenanigans at us. Seriously, what's so much better about Storybrooke? Electricity? I'm fairly certain Emma could create enough electricity with her magic to run an entire town in Misthaven. Why would the Charmings willingly want to give up a huge castle and move back into their small loft that Regina forced them into during the original Dark Curse? It's just more whitewashing.

There were so many interesting ways this AU could have been written, and I have a feeling they're going to choose the weirdest and most unsatisfying route instead. Also, why are media outlets already pimping out the fall finale? Is Sunday's episode that boring and/or pointless?

On the bright side, I'm in love with Emma's regal fur gown and braided hair. This is why I'd love to see the Storybrooke citizens relocate to the Enchanted Forest because the outfits are so much cooler.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Curio
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[Rumsy4]

Ugh... Henry. And playing the hero. Ugh.

[KateJones]

The only thing that will make me less annoyed at henry being there is a Star Wars reference about him being a little short to be a knight. Even that may not be enough. 

[Free]

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I can't handle two terrible finales in a row. The summer hiatus only went by fast because I wasn't looking forward to Season 6, but if the fall finale is terrible as well, I might have to quit this show for good. Maybe I'll watch my favorite characters on Youtube after the episodes air, but the OUAT con list officially outweighs the pro list at this point.

Same here, I was able to tolerate the show for a couple season, but nowadays, I'll probably stick to spoilers only.

[YaddaYadda]

I think whatever the Evil Queen does, this is going to end up being Emma's dream of what her life might have been. In the end, I think it will be Emma's choice, whether she stays in this new reality where she had everything she missed out on, or if she goes back to the life she has.

Henry wearing Rumple's hero armor from the season 4 finale can't be a good sign, although I'm sure they're only recycling costumes.

Edited November 25, 2016 by YaddaYadda

[KingOfHearts]

CRAP. They just had to bring Henry into it. So this isn't an alternate timeline. It's just straight up AU. Ugh. This is going to suck so hard.

[YaddaYadda]

1 hour ago, XrystalPond said:

Yes, there is now way that the EQs wish would include a living and happy Snow, David, and Emma. 

No, that's not what I meant. Whatever the EQ's wish is, it looks like it's a take on the storybook AU, but from Emma's perspective instead of being from Rumple's perspective. 

The show tends to bookend its seasons/half-seasons. Belle started out in a dreamscape and I think this AU is Emma's dreamscape. Belle needed a TLK to wake up from the sleeping curse, and Emma will need to make a choice between the life in her dreamscape or the life she has now that includes her eventual death because she's the Savior.

This AU would be from Emma's perspective much like the dream Belle was in was from her perspective with the Dark One castle being a dark and scary place and where she as actually afraid as opposed to telling Rumple what's up at every turn.

The sands from the Temple of Morpheus are coming back in 6x09.

If she decides to stay in the AU, it will be like she would have used the shears of destiny.

Edited November 25, 2016 by YaddaYadda

[Hookian]

1 hour ago, XrystalPond said:

Yes, there is now way that the EQs wish would include a living and happy Snow, David, and Emma. 

The EQ's wish is to get rid of the Savior obviously and since one of the three rules of a Genie is they can't kill, then the thing is send Emma far away.

[maryle]

The only positivity in the spoiler is the more Emma focus it sound that expected.

It seems it is from Emma point of view and not the expected Regina view. 

But, why Killian is not with Regina to go save Emma. Honestly, maybe this show is not what I thought it was. 

[KingOfHearts]

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The EQ's wish is to get rid of the Savior obviously and since one of the three rules of a Genie is they can't kill, then the thing is send Emma far away.

Who the heck is the Genie? I really want it to be Jafar, but we have no evidence of that.

Now that I think about it, becoming a genie would be the perfect punishment for Rumple. He would have to grant wishes instead of deals (which he gets nothing out of), and he'll always be stuck in the same place. He would always be teased with the power of a Genie, but only able to use it to benefit others. 

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Ugh... Henry. And playing the hero. Ugh.

Looks like more self-inserting for the writers. Henry gets to be the knight in shining armor. Why does he get to the steal show in all the major finales now? How many rites of passage does he need? He's an amateur writer. Why does he get to be a freaking knight? I know this is AU, but that's a very arbitrary writing choice. It's possible he's in disguise using his Author powers, but still. So sick of Hero!Henry. He's starting to get more stickers and cookies than Regina. That's really saying something.

Edited November 25, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Rumsy4]

The fact that A&E keep giving the weakest actor (Jared Gilmore) major roles in season finales is another indication of their poor plotting/writing skills. At least they should write age-appropriate arcs for Henry. Instead, they're more interested in self-inserting their tastes and fantasies onto Henry.

30 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

If she decides to stay in the AU, it will be like she would have used the shears of destiny.

I don't think a comparison to the Shears fits, because this AU is apparently just in Emma's head. I'm guessing Regina uses the sands and enters Emma's Dreamscape to wake Emma from the Dreamscape, much like Rumple did with Belle. Will there be a True Love handshake between them? (I know, I know! :-P). Looks as though Regina encounters a young Robin in Emma's dreamscape, and manages to bring him with her to the real world. 

[RadioGirl27]

51 minutes ago, maryle said:

But, why Killian is not with Regina to go save Emma. Honestly, maybe this show is not what I thought it was. 

The episode was written by A&E, of course it's only Regina. They never write good stuff for Hook or for CS, at least not in the last three  seasons.

34 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Will there be a True Love handshake between them? (I know, I know! :-P).

Actually, there are more chances of this happening than of a TLK for Hook and Emma.

Edited November 25, 2016 by RadioGirl27

[YaddaYadda]

23 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

I'm guessing Regina uses the sands and enters Emma's Dreamscape to wake Emma from the Dreamscape, much like Rumple did with Belle.

I doubt it. Regina goes rogue and probably fucks up by bringing Robin. Wherever she goes is probably not where Emma is. Robin as far as I can tell from the BTS is not an aged Robin like Snowing and possibly Hook. He is the same Robin who died. To me that indicates that whatever Regina is going to do, it doesn't go as expected. I think we're going to end up with a Captain Swan bringing Marian from the past type of situation, but with Robin and Regina this time.

We know EQ makes a wish to get herself rid of Emma. She is effectively taking her off the chessboard so that Emma doesn't end her, now that there is a weapon that can do that. And since EQ and Regina think the same way, maybe Regina makes a wish that ends up doing something else entirely.

 

23 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

I don't think a comparison to the Shears fits, because this AU is apparently just in Emma's head.

I'm talking about choice. From Once canon, a wish cannot be reversed. I'm assuming all of this is going to come down to Emma and her choosing which life she wants.

At least if it's in her dreamscape, it means that Henry won't be knighted for real (I'm assuming that's what it is). It means that she's the only who knows about this stuff until she decides to share it.

Edited November 25, 2016 by YaddaYadda

[Souris]

So A&E created this AU/whatever-it-is solely for Regina to play hero, much like they centered the 100th ep only around her when it should have celebrated all the characters. Regina gets to save Emma while her True Love & family are left behind & aren't allowed to be part of it. Is there any secret why Adam thinks this AU are his favorite eps of the season?

No, Regina entering Emma's dream while CS is separated yet again isn't AT ALL baiting for SQ. Yeah, sure. So that's what, five eps out of the last 13 eps where Emma & Regina have been separated together from everybody else? Ugh. Yeah, pretty sure 6x06 was the last ep of this show I'll watch.

[maryle]

Ok . Maybe I am just looking for a silver lining.

Could Regina ending in a different place than Emma. Maybe for whatever reason she can't go  with Emma and meet with a young Robin instead for most of the time.  And mostly Emma save herself because she have vision of her real life.

We have a pic of young Emma in present clothes.

Edited November 25, 2016 by maryle

[KingOfHearts]

Golden Queen feels so phony. I don't believe for a second that Rumple is over Belle, or that the Evil Queen is willing to kill Zelena. It's just lust and nothing more. I'm not even totally sold on the idea that Rumple is at all interested in the "relationship".

It's going to be so creepy and weird if Rumple uses the rapid aging dust on Damien. What's with all the sand magic? Sands of Avalon, Sands of the Temple of Morpheus... what is this now? The Sands of SORAS? Can we use it on Henry so they'll need a new actor?

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So A&E created this AU/whatever-it-is solely for Regina to play hero, much like they centered the 100th ep only around her when it should have celebrated all the characters. Regina gets to save Emma while her True Love & family are left behind & aren't allowed to be part of it. Is there any secret why Adam thinks this AU are his favorite eps of the season?

We don't even have spoilers of Regina in this AU yet. (I don't think?) I'm not entirely sure she's the hero, though it's a strong possibility.

If the AU is simply a dreamscape, I can forgive its shortness and oddities. The way Adam was talking, it will serve as a catalyst for whatever they have planned for 6B. 

Edited November 25, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Rumsy4]

55 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I doubt it. Regina goes rogue and probably fucks up by bringing Robin. Wherever she goes is probably not where Emma is. Robin as far as I can tell from the BTS is not an aged Robin like Snowing and possibly Hook. He is the same Robin who died. To me that indicates that whatever Regina is going to do, it doesn't go as expected. I think we're going to end up with a Captain Swan bringing Marian from the past type of situation, but with Robin and Regina this time.

To me it seems likely that the rogue mission with Regina will involve Emma's dreamscape. I donno how that involves bringing a young Robin Hood back, but maybe it's as simple as Regina making a wish that Robin was with her. Technically each person gets three wishes from a genie, right? One wish could get Regina inside Emma's dreamscape, and another could get them out of it. A third wish could bring Robin back (but a twisted version, as everything comes with a price).

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I'm talking about choice. From Once canon, a wish cannot be reversed. I'm assuming all of this is going to come down to Emma and her choosing which life she wants.

I do agree with that. Poor Emma will have to accept that her happy life as a princess is fake. There had be CS in the Dreamscape. Otherwise I will be pissed.

 

34 minutes ago, Souris said:

No, Regina entering Emma's dream while CS is separated yet again isn't AT ALL baiting for SQ. Yeah, sure. So that's what, five eps out of the last 13 eps where Emma & Regina have been separated together from everybody else? Ugh. Yeah, pretty sure 6x06 was the last ep of this show I'll watch.

A&E keep writing episodes where Emma and Regina are isolated from Snowing or Hook. Sometimes Henry is involved. I'm had more than enough Swan-Mills family bonding episodes. My enthusiasm for the AU has waned considerably now. The writers are definitely pandering with this. 

The second sneak peek: Rumple is definitely playing the EQ. Did that glitter age-up the fairy/nun, or did it merely reveal her true age? I suspect the former--Belle likely uses the same spell to age-up Damien.

[YaddaYadda]

That Belle script tease is exactly why the heroes are so damn ineffective. 

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Belle: This is fairy language. It's ancient. Almost no one knows it. But my mother taught me some when I was young...hopefully, it'll be enough.

Hmm, number 1, WTF and number 2, WTF?!?!?!

The fairies live at the convent. There's Shady and a whole bunch of fairies that probably know this ancient language of fairies because fairies are ancient. So almost no one knows that language except maybe the actual fairies who might be able to read this ancient fairy language that Belle's mother taught her when she was a kid.

Yeah, let's rely on Belle on her approximate knowledge of the ancient fairy language when there ARE FAIRIES IN TOWN!

These writers make me wanna give up so bad!

ETA - 

At least the sand from the promo stills is aging dust as opposed to dream sand or whatever that Rumple may have brought back from the temple of Morpheus. So anyone walking into Emma's dream, they'll have to figure out another way.

Edited November 25, 2016 by YaddaYadda

[Rumsy4]

9 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

It's going to be so creepy and weird if Rumple uses the rapid aging dust on Damien

I think it's gonna be Belle doing that. The press release has something about Belle making a difficult choice.

[KingOfHearts]

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Hmm, number 1, WTF and number 2, WTF?!?!?!

She probably learned about ancient fairy languages after studying Titan Hearts that look like holy grails. Typical kindergarten stuff.

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I think it's gonna be Belle doing that. The press release has something about Belle making a difficult choice.

Her decision will "affect the lives of everyone in Storybrooke" and it's a direct result of trying to get squid ink to neutralize Rumple with. Damien sounds really important.

I'm kind of hoping the Black Fairy ends up being Morgana Le Fay, since it translates to "Morgana the Fairy". But with the little interest the writers have had in Arthurian legend, that's probably not going to happen.

Edited November 25, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[AnotherCastle]

I'm just sitting here to wait and see if Adam will retweet the GQ Sneak Peek or if the writers will keep on ignoring it completly online and in interviews.

[Souris]

1 hour ago, KingOfHearts said:

We don't even have spoilers of Regina in this AU yet. (I don't think?) I'm not entirely sure she's the hero, though it's a strong possibility.

Yeah, there are spoilers of Regina in the AU. There are spoilers of her in the AU dressed in SB clothing. There are actually spoilers of Emma in SB clothes in the AU, too.

There's also a scene of Emma with Regina & Robin.

56 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

A&E keep writing episodes where Emma and Regina are isolated from Snowing or Hook. Sometimes Henry is involved. I'm had more than enough Swan-Mills family bonding episodes. My enthusiasm for the AU has waned considerably now. The writers are definitely pandering with this. 

It's totally pandering. They've been doing a LOT of that since the finale last season for one fandom segment, while not showing really important CS scenes that CS fans want.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Souris

[KingOfHearts]

So, apparently the Evil Queen has a conscience. She doesn't want to kill Zelena. I guess that mean's she capable of thinking beyond impulses. What was the point of the split again?

Edited November 25, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[PixiePaws1]

Ok...so if EQ makes the wish to send Emma 'away' somehow results in the AU..then if the genie is a 'renegade' along the same lines of Isaac breaking Author rules ( because A&E do repeat a LOT) so the genie really twists the wish to ruin the EQ's intent...then Emma may have a good life in the AU.

We know Hook and Henry are both there and supposedly Hook isn't the one we 'know'...(love it if Lt Jones somehow popped up...but probably not)

Knowing how they parallel things...they could have August pop up with Hook to try some twisted AU version of what August and Neal did to Emma that ended with her in jail...not sure what that would be in the AU. AU Hook may not go along with it and instead convince Emma she needs to back.

Or this Pinocchio does the opposite of August and instead of getting Hook to abandon Emma..he convinvces him that he's Emma's True Love. 

The split Reginas could mean that Regina either also gets 3 genie wishes (cos genie is up for some rule twisting) or as they are the same person...could also make some of the EQ wishes ...and that's where Robin comes from and they have a side adventure to help Emma or EQ wishes Robin back to distract Regina from helping Emma.

The scenes involving baby Emma and her true horrible life growing up are likely used as a juxtoposition montage against her happy childhood with loving parents, this montage plays as the wish takes effect and we see Emma wake up in her Princess life.

[Rumsy4]

2 hours ago, PixiePaws1 said:

The split Reginas could mean that Regina either also gets 3 genie wishes (cos genie is up for some rule twisting) or as they are the same person...could also make some of the EQ wishes

I like this idea! Each of the split-versions thinks they get three wishes each, but they only get a sum total of three. And that results in mix-ups and them being unable to set things right--resulting in Robin being in Storybrooke. 

Edited November 26, 2016 by Rumsy4

[KingOfHearts]

These kind of quotes from Adam unsettle me. https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/802236016606253057

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@AdamHorowitzLA really depressed about this show, please send some hope my way, especially regarding rumbelle

@VictoriousGank there's an old saying. It's always darkest before the dawn.

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@AdamHorowitzLA do you not take rumbelle fans into that consideration lol? Ive been crying almost every episode now. (2)

@klairabelle_ @AdamHorowitzLA Yeah I'm pretty depressed over it. :( I hope things start looking up but I don't see how. So much damage.

@boushh2187 @klairabelle_ so sorry you feel such agony for them. I hope you like their journey this season. It's not over!

I don't think Captain Swan got this much pandering in S5.

Edited November 26, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Rumsy4]

1 hour ago, KingOfHearts said:

These kind of quotes from Adam unsettle me. https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/802236016606253057

I don't think Captain Swan got this much pandering in S5.

Forget Captain Swan, I'm seriously disturbed that Adam is promoting domestic violence with this storyline, as he keeps giving "hope" to Rumbellers. 

[Curio]

So, what I gather is that the finale will be yet another Emma/Regina adventure (How many of those do we need at this point? Can I have my ensemble show back, please?) where Regina the Evil Queen makes a wish that puts Emma under a sleeping spell, Emma goes missing in Storybrooke but she's actually just hidden somewhere sleeping and dreaming of the AU, and Regina goes on a rogue mission by herself (Because why would anyone else in the Charming clan want to go? It's not like they're Emma's True Loves or anything.) and goes into Emma's dream world to try and save her and wake her up. And Graham will still be an elephant in the room and Emma will have to sacrifice her happy princess life to go back to dreary Storybrooke. I'm so close to quitting this show. Seriously, can A&E come up with any other character combinations? I would honestly take a Grumpy/Granny adventure for two hours at this point.

The only good thing that might come out of all of this is Regina finally reabsorbing the Evil Queen back inside her like we all knew would happen since they first introduced this stupid plot in last season's finale.

7 hours ago, maryle said:

But, why Killian is not with Regina to go save Emma. Honestly, maybe this show is not what I thought it was. 

 

I'm with you. I don't know what show I'm watching anymore, but it's not the show I fell in love with. Season 3 seems like an entirely different show at this point. If Regina ends up being the only one who goes into Emma's dreamscape, it's because A&E wanted it that way, not because of any logical character motivations or previous canon.  

5 hours ago, AnotherCastle said:

I'm just sitting here to wait and see if Adam will retweet the GQ Sneak Peek or if the writers will keep on ignoring it completly online and in interviews.

 

I don't care, I'm totally on board the GQ train. I love every twisted and weird second and can't wait to watch the ship crash and burn. But these writers have a tendency of not owning what they write. Instead of saying, "Hell yeah I wrote that! And you can either take it or leave," it's like, "Aw shucks, you liked that scene? Thanks for watching! Oh, you didn't like that scene? Well, if I were a writer, I'd be disappointed if we didn't follow up on it, so have hope! Keep watching!" Own what you write! Be proud of it or don't include it at all.

[maryle]

At least, after all the final and the 100 episode. I can think upcoming in final springs will not be Regina heavy and maybe maybe CS could even be together and share a Virginia kiss.

But, I will only watch the episode that look good to me. 

The column against is now exceeding the pro for the first time 

I am not interesting fo the reconciliation of Rumbelle.

 The idea of continuing the break up, reconciliation cycle give me headache.  Regina show as the one who save everyone all the time, is not interesting to me. 

Edited November 26, 2016 by maryle
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[YaddaYadda]

I don't see where it says that Emma and Regina are going on an adventure together in the AU. My understanding is that this is Emma's adventure and hers alone with no interference from any other characters. They're probably using Regina's "rogue mission" to find Robin who unlike everyone in this AU is not aged.

I'm honestly surprised that no one is even talking about this weapon that can hurt the Evil Queen. Either this is the writers getting ready to eliminate the EQ completely without Regina ever needing to take her back, or it's a big fakeout and Regina decides to step up to the plate and make herself whole again.

[Kktjones]

Maybe if Captain Swan fans are lucky, we can get yet another failed TLK b/c Emma doesn't want to wake up and that's what leads Regina on her mission to save the day. At this point I'm just thinking of all the worst case scenarios so I'm properly prepared (although I'm sure they'll find a way to surprise me).

[Curio]

Just now, YaddaYadda said:

I'm honestly surprised that no one is even talking about this weapon that can hurt the Evil Queen. 

 

I mentioned it as the Gauntlet 2.0 earlier. I don't think there's any discussion because it's most likely a pointless deus ex machina that's yet again introduced in the finale to help change events, only to be forgotten about by the next episode. 

Edited November 26, 2016 by Curio

[Souris]

3 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I don't see where it says that Emma and Regina are going on an adventure together in the AU. My understanding is that this is Emma's adventure and hers alone with no interference from any other characters.

Emma & Regina have a LOT of scenes together in the AU, according to set spoilers. Way more than any other character combinations. The spec about Regina entering Emma's dream world while her family and true love sit around SB looks spot-on given the set spoilers. It SHOULD be Hook or Charming to enter Emma's dream world, but nope, gotta pander instead of writing what would make emotional sense.

So, yeah, fifth E/R adventure out of the last 13 eps. That's more than a third of the eps. That is clearly the only relationship that A&E are concentrating on now, whether romantic or not. Other relationships have been downgraded or put on the shelf.

[KingOfHearts]

It's getting to be the Swan Queen and Rumpbelle show.

[Mathius]

I suspect we are going to see/hear Jafar as a genie in either 6x09 or 6x10.  The press release for 6x09 says the lamp is genie-less, but the brief info we have for 6x10 says the EQ steals it and makes a wish, meaning it has a genie now.....and Adam just tweeted that if you need a Once fix before it comes back this Sunday, why not binge-watch OUATIW, providing a link where you can.  I suspect he wants people to watch and find out why/how Jafar became a genie, since it's not likely going to be elaborated on in detail in the actual show until/unless they can ever bring Will and Ana on.

Edited November 26, 2016 by Mathius

[Curio]

Just now, Mathius said:

I suspect he wants people to watch and find out why/how Jafar became a genie, since it's not likely going to be elaborated on in detail in the actual show until/unless they can ever bring Will and Ana on.

 

Where's a genie when you need one? Because I wish they utilized Will/Socha better and that A&E kept him around the mother show for this arc. His character would have been far more interesting than most of the plots going on right now.

[RadioGirl27]

4 hours ago, Kktjones said:

Maybe if Captain Swan fans are lucky, we can get yet another failed TLK b/c Emma doesn't want to wake up and that's what leads Regina on her mission to save the day. At this point I'm just thinking of all the worst case scenarios so I'm properly prepared (although I'm sure they'll find a way to surprise me).

Yeah, probably. One that works, never. But a couple more of failed ones? Sure.

1 hour ago, Souris said:

Emma & Regina have a LOT of scenes together in the AU, according to set spoilers. Way more than any other character combinations. The spec about Regina entering Emma's dream world while her family and true love sit around SB looks spot-on given the set spoilers. It SHOULD be Hook or Charming to enter Emma's dream world, but nope, gotta pander instead of writing what would make emotional sense.

Colin had at least two days off during the filming of this episode (there are pics in a mall and some other fan encounters reports). So yeah, the finale would be a big queerbaiting mess, with a tiny CS moment to keep the shippers watching.

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Script tease

Ugh!!!!! I have no words.

Edited November 26, 2016 by RadioGirl27

[KingOfHearts]

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Belle: He still loves me.

In the same episode, Rumple says he's over her. Alrighty then.

It's one of those rare Emma-to-Belle lines, I see.

Edited November 26, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[KAOS Agent]

The only reason the Regina/Emma adventure in the AU will work for me is if it's a reverse It's a Wonderful Life and Regina watches how much she fucked over Emma, then actually displays self-awareness that her life is actually really, really good and she never bitches about it to Emma/Snow ever again. She should also display understanding for how horrible it is to take Emma away from this new happy dream life and shove her back in the miserable world of Storybrooke. None of this will ever happen because it's about plot not character, so why should I care? Incidentally, this will now be the second time Emma has been able to experience a happy life and have it ripped away. 

You want to get some interesting drama? Send Snow to find Emma and then watch what she missed and still be forced to tear her daughter away from this world. Let her see what Regina has wrought and then actually let her display negative emotion towards Regina. Let her be human and actually start to deal with the curse in a real way instead of pretending it was just a blip or something the characters miss.

[Mari]

On 11/23/2016 at 10:34 AM, Rumsy4 said:

. It's {Robin's} practically a different character for all intents and purposes. Man, A&E must have grown to really despise the Robin they created. lol

Well, they weren't alone for that. He was a horrible father, a terrible husband, and a bad boyfriend.   

3 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

It's getting to be the Swan Queen and Rumpbelle show.

It's not good when I only enjoy 1/4 of the characters getting focus.

[Free]

On 11/25/2016 at 11:57 AM, KingOfHearts said:

Who the heck is the Genie? I really want it to be Jafar, but we have no evidence of that.

Now that I think about it, becoming a genie would be the perfect punishment for Rumple. He would have to grant wishes instead of deals (which he gets nothing out of), and he'll always be stuck in the same place. He would always be teased with the power of a Genie, but only able to use it to benefit others. 

Looks like more self-inserting for the writers. Henry gets to be the knight in shining armor. Why does he get to the steal show in all the major finales now? How many rites of passage does he need? He's an amateur writer. Why does he get to be a freaking knight? I know this is AU, but that's a very arbitrary writing choice. It's possible he's in disguise using his Author powers, but still. So sick of Hero!Henry. He's starting to get more stickers and cookies than Regina. That's really saying something.

Ugh, especially after the Author Henry nonsense they already did.

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Golden Queen feels so phony.

Because it's random, comes out of nowhere before this season, and both characters aren't menacing in the slightest because there's barely any tension or threats as villains.

[PixiePaws1]

The one thing the show has done is surprise me. Back when Emma and Hook climbed the beanstalk and he said 'Everything we need is right in front of us' and, it was clear they were going to be paired romantically. I was so looking forward to this amazing duo having outlandish fun swashbuckling adventures with Snowing, and a mostly reformed Regina who was actively working to make amends. All of the shenanigans  complete with hilarious outrageously inappropriate banter from Emma and Hook.  Snowing and Hook going outside of SB and being all noble and heroic and not quite fitting in.

I thought it would be epic.

......and look where we are and what's lined up. Snowing relegated to bit players, Emma shoved aside and just beaten down continually with misery and pain (with snatches of happiness dangled in front of her that get taken away when she finally touches it) and Regina ...well...!

Incomplete and abandoned storylines breeding like rabbits.

Now we have another AU that could be amazing with Emma getting the childhood that she deserved and Snowing getting to raise both their adorable kiddies but Emma still getting her True Love. 

But what we are getting looks like a pile of shit! i really hope the publicity blurb was written by misguided idiots who actually think viewers are only interested in seeing Regina rescue Emma and that Emma's actual confirmed True Loves (although given Henry's double standards in his dealings with Regima and Gold I no longer think he qualifies) and her father, do also go in to rescue her

 If the whole point of Killian's beautiful story telling to remind Emma who and what she is ends up with a TLK between Emma and anyone BUT Killian (such as a True Friendship Kiss from Regina..*vomit* or some such rubbish) ....just....fist /wall !!!!

 Stuff the LWM ...they should have called it Land of Wasted Story Opportunities.

I am so ready for CS and Snowing to climb on board the Jolly (Granny can bring her crossbow and Cinders can bring her shotgun and her family) and sail off to adventure leaving SB and Regina and Gold far behind, and the show to be over.

Although...I will miss all of you fellow forum posters including the ones I don't always agree with!

[Souris]

7 hours ago, KAOS Agent said:

The only reason the Regina/Emma adventure in the AU will work for me is if it's a reverse It's a Wonderful Life and Regina watches how much she fucked over Emma, then actually displays self-awareness that her life is actually really, really good and she never bitches about it to Emma/Snow ever again. 

You want to get some interesting drama? Send Snow to find Emma and then watch what she missed and still be forced to tear her daughter away from this world. Let her see what Regina has wrought and then actually let her display negative emotion towards Regina. Let her be human and actually start to deal with the curse in a real way instead of pretending it was just a blip or something the characters miss.

First paragraph response: HA! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! As if THAT would ever happen!

Second paragraph response: HA! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! As if THAT would ever happen!

People on this forum have a MUCH better grasp of what makes good and resonant drama than A&E could ever dream of having. Man, that second paragraph would be brutal and emotional and wonderful. I'm sure it never even occurred to A&E, since all they care about is how Regina feels about things.

[KingOfHearts]

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I'm sure it never even occurred to A&E, since all they care about is how Regina feels about things.

In S6, it seems like they only care how the *Evil Queen* feels about things...

Edited November 27, 2016 by KingOfHearts