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I'm just happy that the three characters I like the most are all doing some adventuring together. Granted, they're probably just running up and down Main Street looking for Mother Gothel's hairbrush or the current villain but I have to take what I can get. 

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When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

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At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

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HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

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6 hours ago, PixiePaws1 said:

very curious why you get this vibe from this pic....and any idea what Colin has in his hand in the first one or is it just my terrible eyesight?

He has the hook.

Reports are that the EQ fought Morpheus, then had a tense scene with Gold.

I'm thinking it's looking like it's Morpheus under the hood. Which is weird and seems unsatisfying.

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maryle

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Well. the spoiler are weirder by the day.

I think of thirds scenario. Not sure I like any.

1) the EQ is  becoming the biggest Saviors and now we have the EQ the white versus Regina the almost  white but not quite enough. Emma become just a sidekick because she doesn't have her own storyline or villain anymore in the alternative world.

2)  the EQ decide to take Emma place to contact Morpheus and use him for her plan but that backfire Aka the alternative life scenario. Thethe alternative world start anyway.

3) the Rumbelle baby after his fight with the EQ decide to launch the alternative world because... reason.  Nothing is resolve or make any sense at all.

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Rumsy4

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Did Belle already have the baby and it was aged-up by Gold or something? Or is he from the future? Either way, it doesn't make sense for Morph-Damien to be under the hood. If it is Morph, why does he want to kill Emma/the savior? Is he also a Dark One becasue of DO genetics?

If this is an alternative universe/no curse scenario, it is possible that Rumbelle got together and had the baby in the EF decades ago, and Morph is from the alternate/no-curse universe. Maybe Morph turned evil when he grew up in the EF, with DO Rumple as his father. Unlike Baelfire, he craved the power of Darkness. Seeing his son be Dark and Evil will cause present-day Gold to change his mind and he'll cry crocodile tears and promise to change for "real", and Belle will take him back. 

If this is a no-curse scenario, why are Emma & co dressed like normal, and not back in the EF with EF clothing? Very confusing...

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RadioGirl27

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The spoilers make so little sense and they are so over the place that  I'm kind of excited about the next episodes. I mean, they are going to be terrible and a total mess (because no way they are going to be good), but I'm curious.

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Mathius

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It is definitely "Morpheus" under the hood, as a result of either what happens in 6x09 or whatever magical shenanigans happen in this episode.

Emma's assumed death is going to be the winter finale cliffhanger.  "Tougher Than The Rest", the title of the first episode in the Spring, likely refers to her then...she's tougher than the rest of the Saviors who have always died at the end of their journeys. 

Also, if this is the arc for the middle of the season, Rumple's rumored death and Robert Carlyle's departure at that time seems more possible...

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If Morpheus is under the hood and stabs Emma, but he's also fighting the EQ ... does that mean the EQ is now good?? 

They're going to turn the EQ good to really hammer home how good and blameless Regina is, aren't they?

I weep.

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YaddaYadda

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2 minutes ago, Souris said:

If Morpheus is under the hood and stabs Emma, but he's also fighting the EQ ... does that mean the EQ is now good?? 

They're going to turn the EQ good to really hammer home how good and blameless Regina is, aren't they?

I weep.

Doesn't seem like the EQ is good since Emma tries to stab her in the cemetery scenes from last week. Maybe Morpheus is reminding EQ of her place, that she's not superior to him or something. He is Rumple's son after all.

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Souris

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Emma is probably misguided & will be shown as foolish for trying to stab the EQ. Hook did yell "Emma, no!" at her.

I sense something akin to 3B where Regina was able to TLK Henry without her heart and pulled light magic out of her ass.

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Mathius

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Doesn't seem like the EQ is good since Emma tries to stab her in the cemetery scenes from last week. Maybe Morpheus is reminding EQ of her place, that she's not superior to him or something. He is Rumple's son after all.

Yeah, the EQ was not fighting him in the same scene Emma was.  It sounds like a typical villain vs. villain conflict.

Although the EQ going good doesn't automatically absolve Regina...Regina might go bad, paralleling Jekyll in being the worse half.

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Rumsy4

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Maybe Morph fighting the EQ has something to do with the underlying (one-sided) attraction on her part to Gold. It might be interesting if EQ! tries to seduce Rumple using a love potion or something. Or attempts to get rid of Belle, thinking she may have a chance with Rumple that way. There has to be a reason they've introduced that creepy storyline. 

Morph is not even born, and they seem to be giving him more screentime than Robin got in Season 5, or Neal in 3B. A&E are always interested in the newest plaything. 

I do think these spoilers are interesting, if only because it's hard to figure out what's going on. 

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4 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Morph is not even born, and they seem to be giving him more screentime than Robin got in Season 5, or Neal in 3B. A&E are always interested in the newest plaything. 

He's also likely the big bad, and we all know that's what they love writing.

Interestingly enough, if the shears are used to cut away his destiny of being a bad guy, it would save Emma from the fate that he is the one dishing out.

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Rumsy4

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1 hour ago, RadioGirl27 said:

The spoilers make so little sense and they are so over the place that  I'm kind of excited about the next episodes. I mean, they are going to be terrible and a total mess (because no way they are going to be good), but I'm curious.

Lol. It's the curiosity that keeps us hooked. LMAO

3 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

He's also likely the big bad, and we all know that's what they love writing.

Yeah--they'll make him a bad guy from the future to redeem Gold in the present. 

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Interestingly enough, if the shears are used to cut away his destiny of being a bad guy, it actually saves Emma from him automatically.

That's an interesting spec. Knowing the future of baby Morph may induce Gold/Belle to change his fate.

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Mathius

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15 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Yeah--they'll make him a bad guy from the future to redeem Gold in the present. 

Even though it's almost a guarantee that him being a bad guy in the future is Gold's own damn fault.

Again, I hope this redemption includes Gold's death.  He's exhausted all interesting story options at this point.

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Rumsy4

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8 minutes ago, InsertWordHere said:

EQ promised not to harm Belle or her unborn child, so of course the unborn child is going to show up and attack EQ. Maybe he really does have reality altering powers like the god Morpheus.

Oh yeah--I forgot about that. That still leaves open the option of EQ! manipulating Rumple in some way. 

Maybe he becomes the god Morpheus. Dun dun dun... 

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Just now, Rumsy4 said:

Maybe he becomes the god Morpheus. Dun dun dun... 

I hope not, TBQH. However, since he was conceived after Rumple became super Dark One, it does make sense that he would be quite powerful. It would be funny if unborn child got all the other Dark One power and Rumple just thinks it went to him. 

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YaddaYadda

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28 minutes ago, InsertWordHere said:

EQ promised not to harm Belle or her unborn child, so of course the unborn child is going to show up and attack EQ. Maybe he really does have reality altering powers like the god Morpheus.

Let's hope not, because A&E are writing both 6x10 and 6x11, so whatever they come up with is already bound to be confusing.

EQ promised she wouldn't involve the unborn child, but if the child is grown up, then all bets are off. It's not like she's broken her deal with him, or anything.

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I kind of wonder why Rumbelle baby wants to kill Emma. What if it's not Emma that's his enemy, but the child she'll have in the future. To make sure that doesn't happen, he goes back in time and tries to kill her.

You know of course the Rumbelle baby would be the enemy of the CS baby. Rumple and Killian feud continues in the next gen,lol.

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Souris

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2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

He's also likely the big bad, and we all know that's what they love writing.

Interestingly enough, if the shears are used to cut away his destiny of being a bad guy, it would save Emma from the fate that he is the one dishing out.

Is there a helpful egg lying around they could stick his badness into?

If it's RB baby vs. CS baby, it'd be like this show to make the RB baby good & the CS baby evil.

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Kktjones

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I can't make any sense of these spoilers, but it's kind of fun speculating.

10 minutes ago, Souris said:

If it's RB baby vs. CS baby, it'd be like this show to make the RB baby good & the CS baby evil.

It would have been interesting if Emma had conceived when she and Hook were both Dark Ones. Would that have guaranteed their baby would turn out evil?

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YaddaYadda

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9 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

I can't make any sense of these spoilers, but it's kind of fun speculating.

It would have been interesting if Emma had conceived when she and Hook were both Dark Ones. Would that have guaranteed their baby would turn out evil?

I think it goes back to the whole evil isn't born, it's made, unless you're Cruella.

The thing with this arc though is that it seems to be all about fate and destiny, so you kind of have to wonder what kind of choice people really have if that's what fate wants for them.

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maryle

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What funny is each part of the fandom has different crack theory 

Rumbeller want  Morpheus to be the new Savior as the SQ want Regina to be the new Savior.

Also, I wonder if it Truth that the EQ Fight the hooded figure at all. Not many report.

Some CS think Emma could lost at least temporarily her Savior magic because she uses the shear. This make more worry than happy because what will be her role if there indeed a season 7. Definitely in Regina shadow.  

Others  CS are hoping for a CS baby from the futur storyline. But, will the writers will really show that CS will have a child so soon.  We haven't even see any CS domestics scene yet.

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Souris

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LOL, the whole egg baby joke made me wonder if they could cut the Savior part out of Emma with the shears and it winds up in Damien in utero. And he's pissed about it so comes back in time to kill her over it. Hahahaha!

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Mathius

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How much more is the question about Belle's mother going to be asked before the people asking realize A&E have no interest in bringing her back?

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PixiePaws1

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that sphere must be the idiot ball....thatsneak peek. .omg!!!

How f*cking stupid is Killian hiding the shears in a toolbox..in thr bsck shed...just where every pirate is going to hide a  priceless treasure AND the EQ already knows they're there!!!!

The only good  thing i am getting out of  that sneak peek is the much hoped for CS family domestic scene that had better take place beforehand that ends with Henry taking out the trash.....

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Shanna Marie

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4 minutes ago, Mathius said:

How much more is the question about Belle's mother going to be asked before the people asking realize A&E have no interest in bringing her back?

I do find it amusing how exasperated they seem about constantly getting this question, but they did cast a reasonably well-known actress to play just one short scene, and then there was a mystery about her death, given that the entire reason Belle went on her quest to Arendelle was to get back the memories of when she was unconscious (ugh) so she'd know what really happened to her mother. A known actress barely used plus a mystery generally tends to indicate that they're setting up something for the future, when they'd actually use that actress. Except, obviously, on this show, where the mystery turns out to be nothing more than a clumsy way of setting up a reason to send a character to a place to meet another character and is completely forgotten by the end of the episode.

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Rumsy4

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Hmm...the hints about Killian's "dad-to-be" status do seem to be dropping like anvils now. But I soooo don't want a CS pregnancy storyline. The show is littered with off-screen babies!! 

Will Emma think twice about sacrificing herself if she knows she is pregnant? 

I don't know why people keep asking about Belle's mom or Lily's dad all the time!

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YaddaYadda

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Henry pissy because he probably got asked/told by Hook to take the garbage out.

Also, hiding the shears in a tool box? Really? I would've thought he'd bury them somewhere and have a map with an X on it (no, I didn't think that). 

Secret's out. Hopefully Emma finds out too by the end of the episode.

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I would say that keeping the thing that might save Emma from a destiny of doom is probably the worst possible evidence of not caring about her. Henry really has taken after his dumber than a box of hair bio dad if he falls for that.

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Mathius

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11 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

I don't know why people keep asking about Belle's mom or Lily all the time!

Lily I can understand, because the show DID set her up as important, going on about how her fate and Emma's are forever intertwined and whatnot.

Belle's mother I have no explanation for except maybe Belle fans who want to see more of her life story explored.

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Kudos to EQ for exploiting his petty dislike for Hook. 

Petty dislike?  He may be in the midst of some conflict with Hook, but he still defended him and said he trusts him as part of the family. 

Wait until Henry actually DOES something stupid (which he very well might, given past experience) before hating him.

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Souris

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Focus for this ep will likely be on Hook/Henry coming to some sort of understanding. Emma will be off with Aladdin the whole time except for perhaps a short scene in the beginning. Hook/Emma will NEVER get to have the conversation about her vision/dying.

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maryle

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My interest for next episode is very high. Hoping it will not be like last week.

Honestly, 300 old pirate hidden something so precious. That something I will call ooc or made him the most useless pirate of the high sea.

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PixiePaws1

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27 minutes ago, RadioGirl27 said:

A pirate would never hide something so precious in a simple toolbox and he would never leave said toolbox unprotected in a simple shed. 

Exactly...i suppose too much to ask that EQ just conjured a facsimile so Henry will confront Killian..and then Killian goes to check his real hiding place so EQ can get the real shears....but Killian remembers Rump pulled the same trick on Belle with the dagger...*sigh*

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4 hours ago, maryle said:

My interest for next episode is very high. Hoping it will not be like last week.

Honestly, 300 old pirate hidden something so precious this way. That something I will call ooc or made him the most useless pirate of the high sea.

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ParadoxLost

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6 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Henry pissy because he probably got asked/told by Hook to take the garbage out.

Also, hiding the shears in a tool box? Really? I would've thought he'd bury them somewhere and have a map with an X on it (no, I didn't think that). 

Secret's out. Hopefully Emma finds out too by the end of the episode.

Doubt it.  My knee jerk reaction to Henry finding the shears is that Henry will end up using them instead of Hook to "save" Emma.

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Way, way back in Manhattan, when Cora, Hook, and Regina are looking for the dagger, it was Regina who had the idea to look in the library, reasoning that Gold would have left a clue with Belle, while Hook wanted to simply ransack Gold's house and shop. However, it was Hook who made a big deal over the doodle they found in the shelves being a map to buried treasure. So I could see it being in character either for Hook to keep the shears close to home or for him to have an elaborate hiding place for them that's not in a toolbox in the shed. Then again, I think Hook was never after the dagger and simply wanted to get away from Cora and Regina (as anyone in their right mind would) because he had the dreamshade and Rumple was outside of Storybrooke, so maybe the dagger search doesn't even count.

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Curio

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I'm guessing the reason Henry looks pissed off when he's taking out the trash is because Hook gave him a mic drop about how easy Henry has it compared to when Hook was his age, and if young Killian ever defied orders from an adult on Silver's ship, he was severely punished. 

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Well, you can't keep storing trash on a ship all the time...it has to go somewhere else. If Hook can quickly understand the basics of how electric poles work, he can surely understand the concept of putting trash in a bin. Maybe Emma asks Henry to take out the trash, and then Henry makes a whiny teenage comment about why do I have to, you don't ask Hook to take out the trash, and then Hook intervenes with a stern because your mother told you to.

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YaddaYadda

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15 minutes ago, retrograde said:

Would the chore of "taking out the trash" even be a concept Hook is very familiar with? He mostly has lived in medieval times, on a boat, and in a guesthouse. 

True, but he is a ship captain where chores are super important because a ship really needs to be maintained. same with a house.

Henry probably thought Hook would be more lenient. He's a cool guy, he thought him how to sail and he is teaching him sword fighting and they're suposed to watch movies together, and now he's asking him to take the garbage out and being an authority figure in his life. I guess Henry's mood probably goes beyond the bag of trash though.

Everyone let's Henry do whatever he wants. He threatens his family to get his way, he doesn't lis ten when the adults in his life talk to him. His ass needs to be reigned in.

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